Guild Wars 2

I have tried to finish the new JP for almost 7 hours and I simply cannot make it because I lack the reflexes to do so.

Since I’m an achievement collector and it’s the only thing left for me to do in Guild Wars 2, I would be very disappointed if I couldn’t get my hands on this achievement. I wouldn’t mind it if it was a permanent JP which I could try a few times every day but sadly this is a holiday event.

Although I can understand that the more gifted and experienced players among us seek a challenge, there are people who have sadly issues which prevent them from finishing this JP, for example:

- Age.
- Disabilities.
- Slow reflexes.

I have finished every JP in this game because I was able to do them on my own pace but the reflexes required for this JP, are in my opinion, higher than the average player has.

I always thought that holiday events were supposed to bring joy and a memorable experience to everyone, yet this event only brings negative feelings and memories with it for the gross of the players.

I honestly hope you will reconsider the difficulty and give us a few more spare seconds to do this JP as I am sure that everyone wants to enjoy your work to their fullest.

p.s. this kind of current difficulty would be awesome for permanent puzzles.

Thanks for reading.

be happy you can actually attempt it, i get locked into the cutscene

this puzzle doesn’t need fast reflexes, just need to know where you are heading and when you’re suppose to jump.

speed buff helps a ton, the puzzle pace goes pretty fast at first, but if you have speed buff after the first segment, it will be alot easier consider that half way thru, you get a bit of time to make some minor mistakes.

So steal a banner, i find that the most helpful. Otherwise you have to be precise about every jump you make.

Aye, charr walk on 4 legs, i suggest you make it possible for us charr to carry people around so we can carry ppl to the top of jumping puzzles if they lack the capability

Or get them to other areas…. xD
More teamplay

aekt.9438:

this puzzle doesn’t need fast reflexes, just need to know where you are heading and when you’re suppose to jump.

speed buff helps a ton, the puzzle pace goes pretty fast at first, but if you have speed buff after the first segment, it will be alot easier consider that half way thru, you get a bit of time to make some minor mistakes.

So steal a banner, i find that the most helpful. Otherwise you have to be precise about every jump you make.

Your ability to decide where to go and at what speed in reaction time is decided by your reflexes so yes, it does require quite some good reflexes.

Something that helps push you ahead is not to be afraid of jumping forward blindly during the initial platforms. There’s low chances of falling there.

After that and the crowds thin out, it’s pretty easy.

Hope you’ll make it eventually. All the best!

This puzzle is complete rubbish. the level of focus required is absurd.
Even if you land every jump on the way up, 9/10 the chest platform is already under mist and your just waiting to reset.

The precent of community who defends this puzzle are the ones who where lucky enough to finish it. THIS NEEDS A NERF. Total rubbish.

6 hours…. 0 finished.

Yeah, this is ridiculously hard. I’m an achievement hunter as well, and after hours of trying this and not even getting halfway through, it’s just incredibly disappointing.

OP you said yor u a achievment collector.

Achievment ..the whole idea of achievments is to say ..i’ve done this’ ..with a proud smile on your face. Not ..‘i and every1 else and their mothers ..has done this’.

1 achievment comes along that FINALY has some sense of difficulty ..and the forums bursts into flames with people kittening and whining about it.

Think yall need ot understand what ‘achievments’ were meant to be in the first place -.-

There is nothign wrong wiht the halloween JP ..its doable ..alot of people have done it multiple times. Just takes practice. if you cant do ..so be it ..but odnt expect Anet to change it.

The problem isn’t the reflexes. The problem the camera (that gets stuck in geometry and zooms all the way in for no apparent reason – especially if your character is an asura) and the fact that your view is constantly blocked by charr and norn characters. And that’s when some idiot doesn’t decide to use banners, summon oakhearts, etc.. It’s a griefer’s paradise.

Arena Net clearly tested this only with small groups of (or a single) human / sylvari.

Either that or they want everyone to start hating norn and charr players.

The puzzle itself is fine (*). Fix the camera and make it a solo instance. Until then, not bothering with the game.

(*) Or was fine. Now sometimes after the last jump (into the clock face) you get teleported to the start instead of being teleported to the final room. That’s really the cherry on top of the cake.

@SolarNova.

Like I stated above, I don’t mind a challenge when it’s a permanent puzzle but this is a limited time event, meaning that the pressure is quite big as it’s a one thing only (unless they recycle it next year).

I hope that they use this kind of difficulty for future puzzles, so you and the other gifted people have something to aim for, but I do also hope they consider that this is a holiday event and will adjust it properly for everyone to enjoy.

no it doesn’t. your ability to decide where to go is simple using your mouse to rotate, while your left hand kept moving forward button down, and let it go from time to time.

what speed is pointless since your character moves at a constant speed unless buffed to make a fluctuating situation.

also if you’ve done all jump puzzles as you said, including the griffon one while carrying the bomb, you should have no problem doing this puzzle.

slow reflex will matter in the situation of like dodging enemy attacks / jumping through laser field in CoE the first time.

if you made the right jump, you can save alot of times ahead, and if you made the wrong jump, you will waste time and fail again and again.

This thought never even crossed my mind. But the OP makes a valid point. This JP takes a lot higher level of reflexes than any of the other ones (except the on in Lornar’s Pass). I have pretty good reflexes but this still took me 1-1.5 hours to complete (partly due to my lack of knowing where to go).

I really hope that anyone with this issue or similar one is able to do it at some point. The OP is right, holidays should be joy, not 7 hours of going crazy. I wish everyone a happy Halloween ^+^

The point remains that the puzzle only requires higher reflexes when you don’t know where to go yet.

Just take the puzzle bit by bit and actually memorize where you need to go. There’s a lack of reflexes once you know where to go (unless you accidentally misaligned your character for a jump and have to try and save him). Other than that it’s hold W and jump away.

And if you can’t do that, I suggest trying to do other jumping puzzles you do know, without stopping to ‘’align your character to jump’’. Again this does not require high reflexes, you just have to know the path you need to run and where you roughly need to stand to make each jump, which if you have done many jumping puzzles, you should know by now.

As mentioned already…you need less reflexes and more good memory and clean execution.

As an addition to what has been said before (I especially like the “not everyone has it” thing) I only want to add that this achievement doesn’t count towards the Halloween-title. You’re not gonna miss out on much if you can really not do it in the end.

I didn’t grow up doing the jumping puzzles and know it is not the best thing for me to try. I have improved some with practice but can’t get close on this one.

As someone that suffers from MS. I know your pain. But I managed to eventually beat it (took like 3+ hrs)…though I’m really hard headed about letting my disease interfere with my gaming these days. >.<

Eventually I just had it down to a science and could blaze through it. Persistence helps. If you want to achieve it.

Personally I enjoyed the difficulty, but the OP is very valid.

Holiday event completion should be accessible, and a fun ride for everyone. This JP is slightly overtuned considering it’s only available for a limited time as part of Halloween.

This is ridiculously hard, I’ve been at it all evening and have gotten nowhere. I’m getting consumed by green gaseous crap even as I type this.

Katreyn.4218:

Persistence helps.

Being in a group without any charr or norn helps infinitely more.

yeah i love the challenge of this puzzle.

BUT what i hate is having to do it with 15 other people, even more so when there are Norn and Char there, can we make this Party only please? getting tired of not being able to see anything because of fat kitten characters blocking the view

I am strongly opposed to nerfing this puzzle. There finally was a decent challenge put forth with depth and complexity that I would love to see more of.

I don’t want to be “that guy” but can we please not endorse the “it’s too hard for me specifically, it needs nerfing” mentality?

I get that it has limited availability and I get because of that you want to succeed before it’s no longer available. However, the achievement for completing the puzzle doesn’t count towards anything besides your achievement score. So if you’re unable to achieve success then it shouldn’t be lowered to your level and thus cheapened as an achievement, especially if a large amount of the community loves the puzzle and is able to complete it with some effort.

Mirodir.1672:

As an addition to what has been said before (I especially like the “not everyone has it” thing) I only want to add that this achievement doesn’t count towards the Halloween-title. You’re not gonna miss out on much if you can really not do it in the end.

If that’s the case, I feel a bit better about probably not being able to do it.
I keep missing one of the early turns at the moment. But I am getting higher up before dying. Usually.

I think it’s a lot of fun. ((shrug))

The norn and the charr aren’t messing you up. It’s bad form to blame other players, the game, and everything else (except you of course, you’re great, it couldn’t possibly be you) for your lack of skill.

Some folks are farming this for easy ToT bags, having long gotten the slippers. Not to say it’s easy (it’s not, if you’re off on your tempo even a little bit the awful green water of death will get yooou), but it’s by no means impossible or even super hard. On a scale of 1 to 10, it’s maybe a 7 or 8.

I recommend playing some DKCR chase music in the BG or some Super Mario Bros castle music.

Hardest thing in this game:

1) Killing all 4 champion harpy wraiths in the last storyline part before they turn NPC
2) This puzzle

Love it, made my week.

miniL.7361:

Aye, charr walk on 4 legs, i suggest you make it possible for us charr to carry people around so we can carry ppl to the top of jumping puzzles if they lack the capability

Or get them to other areas…. xD
More teamplay

ya know, when im on my char i look at asura and i get the munchies, they look like snacks.
when im on my asura and i see a charr i think, hey, in game mount, cm’ere fuzzball *saddle/mount

OT: i saw it on the utube and i decided to ‘mentally prep’ for this one

I am sorry to hear the OP feels this way. Unfortunately this brings up the question of how to you make challenging content for the players that want challenging content while at the same time making it available to people with reflex related problems?

Holiday events are just like holidays, they come and they go. They can’t always stick around or they wouldn’t be memorable anymore. The epicness of it would be none existant.

ArenaNet has done an amazing job at bringing new content of all levels of difficulty for players. I think they are doing their best to make as many people happy as possible. There are soooo many other things to enjoy about the game, let alone the halloween festivities, try to see all the positives rather than let this one ruin everything.

The one way they can fix this easily. Make it so you don’t need to wait at after the first 2 staircases. Letting the acid catch up is the dumbest idea ArenaNet has had so far. Why would you make a race against the clock..then let the dang clock catch up?!

Cyric.7485:

I don’t want to be “that guy” but can we please not endorse the “it’s too hard for me specifically, it needs nerfing” mentality?

I get that it has limited availability and I get because of that you want to succeed before it’s no longer available. However, the achievement for completing the puzzle doesn’t count towards anything besides your achievement score. So if you’re unable to achieve success then it shouldn’t be lowered to your level and thus cheapened as an achievement, especially if a large amount of the community loves the puzzle and is able to complete it with some effort.

You screwed your argument with that last bit.

If “a large amount of the community thinks X” is reason for something to stay the way it is, why isn’t “A larger amount of the community thinks Y” a reason for it to change?

This puzzle is difficult. But it’s not difficult because it was designed that way. It’s difficult as a product of various ridiculous design flaws with the game- not accounting for the fact that everybody is blocking everyone elses view, not accounting for the still broken camera that causes the camera to slam into you, etc.

It’s frustrating. Waiting for it to start over is frustrating. Watching that cutscene every time is frustrating. Being blocked by other players is frustrating. HAving no sense of your own positioning is frustrating. These are not “Challenging” things- they are frustrating things, and there’s no way you truly believe they are “difficulty” and not “unacceptable design flaws”?

Can you really tell me, with sincerity, that you think “I can’t tell where I am or where I’m going to be in a puzzle all about those two things” is “challenging game design” and not “jacked up game design”?

You may as well close your eyes and commend the game for being so difficult :P

Technically it does require fast reflexes, or at least fast response time/hand-eye coordination. If you take a second or two longer to rotate the mouse, it costs you the run.

I feel like I’m getting better at figuring out where the perfect jump spot is, but I’m still not fast enough to make it past the start without landing into mist instead of the next platform.

I don’t really understand why people are so against this getting even the tiniest nerf.

If it gets nerfed, who does it hurt? Nobody.

If it doesn’t, who does it hurt? A number greater than 0.

WeLoveKanjimari.6725:

You screwed your argument with that last bit.

If “a large amount of the community thinks X” is reason for something to stay the way it is, why isn’t “A larger amount of the community thinks Y” a reason for it to change?

This puzzle is difficult. But it’s not difficult because it was designed that way. It’s difficult as a product of various ridiculous design flaws with the game- not accounting for the fact that everybody is blocking everyone elses view, not accounting for the still broken camera that causes the camera to slam into you, etc.

It’s frustrating. Waiting for it to start over is frustrating. Watching that cutscene every time is frustrating. Being blocked by other players is frustrating. HAving no sense of your own positioning is frustrating. These are not “Challenging” things- they are frustrating things, and there’s no way you truly believe they are “difficulty” and not “unacceptable design flaws”?

Nonsense, I’ve run into plenty of people who love the puzzle and I see more positive posts about it than negative. As for the “unacceptable design flaws”, half of them are just nitpicking. Standing around chatting with people while you wait for the puzzle to reset isn’t that big of a deal IMO, watching a 5 second cutscene isn’t that big of a deal IMO either. Being blocked by enormous charr and norn is annoying, I’ll agree, but after a few go’s at the puzzle it’s not particularly difficult to remember where to jump. Lastly, I never had a single camera issue with the jump puzzle… I play with my camera about 3-4 clicks out from full zoom in, so maybe that had something to do with it.

Regardless of all this, I stand by my statement that near-meaningless achievements shouldn’t be cheapened for the sake of someone’s inability to _ achieve_ them.

CasiaVulpes.7015:

I don’t really understand why people are so against this getting even the tiniest nerf.

If it gets nerfed, who does it hurt? Nobody.

If it doesn’t, who does it hurt? A number greater than 0.

In a way I’m not against the nerf as much as I’m against ANet going down the path of “let’s make everything easy for everyone” just like “that other game” did.

I’ve been at this over 8 hours myself, and still have yet to successfully complete it. I’ve yet to even make it to the clock face, as I keep getting stuck on invisible walls, randomly frozen in place, or returned to the start while in mid-air well above the green fog. Of course, this only happens on those extremely rare times when I’m actually able to see where I’m going due to not being stepped on by maximum-sized charr or norn.

I know where the jumps are, and when to make them, but when I can’t see my character or the floor, or when invisible obstacles suddenly pop up, or solid objects are suddenly vapor, it’s not about skill or practice, or even persistence.

great puzzle. completed it after 15 or so tries. i think it shouldn’t be changed.

Don’t mind people that are saying “it’s ok as it is, don’t change it” these are just trolls and griefers. Every time there is a problem there are always trolls that come on the forums and speak against everyone else, just for flaming everyone. Best just ignore them and provide solid arguments as to what the problem is and why it should be changed/solved. And the devs will listen because contrary to trolls they do have an above the average IQ.

what i don’t get all these people that have done it here QQ that people that CAN not finish it. want to keep it the way it is. i say they should keep it too there self and have a look at it for people that spends hours and can not do it. thanks

hahahaaha the crying on this puzzle is unbelievable…fine i guess if you have some sort of disability than yes its going to be hard but for everyone else .. srsly? I like how achievements for ppl is just getting it done as fast and as easy as possible thereby making the term “achievement” useless

edit : finished in 40 min. Everytime you do the puzzle you get further n further n by the time you build up to the end you would have memorized everything before the new parts..

yeah, sure. lets make this game much more scrub-friendly. so EVERYONE will be able to do ANYTHING this game has to offer. im my guild everyone done this after 15-20 mins of trying. and they re not hardcore-nerds with lightspeed reactions or something.

Call me jaded, but I’m skeptical of anyone claiming physical disabilities. These same kinds of excuses came out when Anet said no to a macro that held your right mouse key down back on guru.

If you’re being honest, I’m sorry for you. Truly. But you don’t represent the playerbase. This is akin to folks asking the public schools not to serve peanut butter because one or two kids are allergic.

The rest of you band wagoners, keep trying and crying. You’ll get it eventually. If not, well, hey. You got the rest of the game.

It is strange how no staff have commented on the Clock Tower issue. <_<

Clock Tower doesnt have any issues, except whiny players. But A.net cant do anything about it.

I’ve been doing this for 4 hours now and gotten nowhere..
I love the puzzle but it’s WAY frustrating – especially when you haven’t got the best connection.. Because of where i’m located I tend to get high ping at times – and when there’s a lot of people around and a lot going on I can suffer for it.. Which makes this puzzle even harder for me..

If the goo could even be slowed down just a fraction I could probably make it as it would be that much easier to make minor adjustments to my turns…

DragonAce.7154:

Personally I enjoyed the difficulty, but the OP is very valid.

Holiday event completion should be accessible, and a fun ride for everyone. This JP is slightly overtuned considering it’s only available for a limited time as part of Halloween.

This. If this puzzle wasnt time limited I wouldnt care even if it was 10 times harder. Id have loads of time to finish it. But its not. You can only get this achievement during halloween :/

I have a few of the same issues, I’m 17, yep, young and should be able to do this, but with some psychological problems like ocd, anxiety (which are impacting me the most during this) and many others, this is becoming almost a health hazard to me (call it ridiculous, but I know what I feel.) With the anxiety, I have been very very stressed about completing it, and with the ocd, I can’t stop until I complete it. I tried for 2 hours earlier today, couldn’t do it and took all my strength to get myself off and not to think about it, and this kept happening throughout the day. I would try to complete it, couldn’t, and got extremely stressed over the whole thing, along with the feeling that I need to complete it. I’m not going to rest easy tonight due to this, If I sleep at all. I agree that this needs a nerf, or at least the ability to do it solo.(Mind you, I don’t want to sound like a crybaby saying wahh this needs to be nerfed for me, just adding in my 2 cents for people who may be suffering from the same things I am.)

Akio.3849:

I have a few of the same issues, I’m 17, yep, young and should be able to do this, but with some psychological problems like ocd, anxiety (which are impacting me the most during this) and many others, this is becoming almost a health hazard to me (call it ridiculous, but I know what I feel.) With the anxiety, I have been very very stressed about completing it, and with the ocd, I can’t stop until I complete it. I tried for 2 hours earlier today, couldn’t do it and took all my strength to get myself off and not to think about it, and this kept happening throughout the day. I would try to complete it, couldn’t, and got extremely stressed over the whole thing, along with the feeling that I need to complete it. I’m not going to rest easy tonight due to this, If I sleep at all. I agree that this needs a nerf, or at least the ability to do it solo.(Mind you, I don’t want to sound like a crybaby saying wahh this needs to be nerfed for me, just adding in my 2 cents for people who may be suffering from the same things I am.)

Games like GW2 should be to let you relax and forget about the problems of real life…

No one should ever have to say something like this about a game.

I totally agree with the OP. The difficulty would be perfectly fine in a permanent puzzle. But in a holiday event? which is supposed to be fun? I see a hell of a lot of stressed players around. That doesn’t much go with fun I’d say.

Just keep trying…these people who you refer to as “gifted” and “experienced” weren’t born that way, they’re the ones who just kept moving forward…

Karthaugh.6532:

I totally agree with the OP. The difficulty would be perfectly fine in a permanent puzzle. But in a holiday event? which is supposed to be fun? I see a hell of a lot of stressed players around. That doesn’t much go with fun I’d say.

Well it’s a good thing the puzzle isn’t worth anything besides achievement points and bragging rights then. It’s not like they gain anything of significance from succeeding… but this is typical of an MMO, people always want things brought down to their level, anyone who doesn’t support the OP is obviously a troll because opposing opinions and perspectives are a fallacy created by the our respective governments. Amirite?

On a less negative note, maybe you guys should stop viewing the puzzle so seriously. I did it my first time in a little over an hour, I shouted bizarre things (mash a household object and a swear word into a sentence, it’s… odd) every time I fell. But I viewed it as a challenge and had a lot of fun. Just saying…

It should NOT be a forced group event.
It should be instanced so everyone can get in if they wish to try it
It should NOT be timed (no jumping puzzle should imo)
If you’ve achieved it once, you should not be allowed to enter the instance again on any character in an attempt to farm it until the next year.

If the above were true, even if it was just around for the holiday event only, it would still be a lot more accessible to all players and give all players (including those with various conditions in real life that force them to go slowly) the ability to try and/or complete it. IT would also stop players from farming the chests so they wouldn’t ahve had to nerf the chest. As it is, I’m glad they did nerf it.

And for you elitists that are dead set against making the puzzle more accessible to others, allowing others to achieve it in no way takes anything away from you. Next, you’ll be saying…when I was a lad I had to carry water uphill in a leaky bucket in ten feet of snow, blah blah blah. You have it soooo easy because it was nerfed (inferring that you are somehow just a better person or player than everyone else). Good grieff and I pity you if -that- is how you define your worth. This is a game…not brain surgery. It’s no skin off your nose if others get the achievement because the puzzle is made more accessible than it was when you did it.