Guild Wars 2

Okay, let’s admit it. This forum is pure mess. All sections, okay, but even more this one right now. Seriously, this was me just reading the titles of these threads: http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/poiuytrewq_2008/picard-facepalm-1.jpg

So, now let’s talk about this mess.

First, there are people crying about that one-time event story. They gotta walk their dogs, they gotta get an hurricane on their heads… So they can’t assist this event. Okay! That’s great! (as would say a guy called Colin). But first, Arenanet can’t make an event for all these people. Every day, every hour, every minute, every second there’s someone that can’t play Guild Wars 2. So the event was set a SUNDAY during some people’s HOLIDAYS in the right time for US and EU country.
Let me remind you after that, that there are people dying of hunger in the world while you are crying for this, right? And there are tons of people who would love to play videogames but who live in a poor country, right?
Are you still crying for this event?

No, so let’s talk about this Mad King’s Clock Tower problem. Let’s imagine you’re in Arenanet’s position: you’re working hard on the game, you’re preparing Act 3 and Act 4, you’re working all your time on a Saturday for these stupid players, you’re stressed, you’re annoyed, etc.
And then you come on this forum and you read about players annoyed because they spent 2-6 hours trying to do this puzzle. And they’re really annoyed. But there are also players saying the contrary: this is perfect as it is, you shouldn’t listen to them.
Let’s come back to our main picture: http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/poiuytrewq_2008/picard-facepalm-1.jpg

Let me remind you after that, that there are still people dying of hunger in the world while you are crying for this? And there are still tons of people who would love to play videogames but who live in a poor country?

SO, GUYS, LET ME TELL YOU THAT THIS IS MADNESS AND YOU SHOULD ENJOY LIFE. THAT’S ALL.

So you’re saying that because someone else has it bad, we’re not allowed to voice our opinions over legitimate concerns? nice strawman. Seriously, threads like these make the temper tantrums look good.

I said what had to be said.
These threads don’t even deserve to be read as they are.

No one likes a brown noser.

Well people aren’t happy, when people aren’t happy they don’t like the game, and when they don’t like the game they stop playing.

My goal in this game was to get 100% world completion, but my server doesn’t have enough activity to control enough of the WvW for me to finish it. That’s a bust. My second goal was to complete the Halloween event, which due to the clock tower and the hurricane I may or may not be able to complete.

Well I guess kitten like me will soon be leaving the game and then you can have it all to yourself.

I think they should only hold events when every single player can log on at the same time.

Oh wait, then we would never have events……..

See? That thread is going to fall in mad “argumentating” again!

Chrollo: you say you cannot complete your world progression and your halloween event. HELL, DUDE, THERE ARE PEOPLE DYING OF HUNGER AND DESEASES AND EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD AND YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO PLAY A VIDEOGAME SO, let’s relax, and, just as I said, enjoy life.

Keiran.1896:

See? That thread is going to fall in mad “argumentating” again!

Chrollo: you say you cannot complete your world progression and your halloween event. HELL, DUDE, THERE ARE PEOPLE DYING OF HUNGER AND DESEASES AND EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD AND YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO PLAY A VIDEOGAME SO, let’s relax, and, just as I said, enjoy life.

Why even have forums with that logic.

Chrollo.2173:

Why even have forums with that logic.

Universe has no logic. Learn to do with it.

Most fail logic I’ve seen on these forums in a while.

Congratulations lol.

Just for the record when I, and apparently a few other people, posted topics about the clock tower being “broken” we meant it literally – bugs made it impossible to finish (or in my case start) the puzzle. It’s now working for me and I’ve tried and failed it about 5 times, but that part I don’t have a problem with.

I think it’s painting an inaccurate picture to lump in topics about bugs with ones about the difficultly based on the title and assume they’re all the same.

Danikat.8537:

Just for the record when I, and apparently a few other people, posted topics about the clock tower being “broken” we meant it literally – bugs made it impossible to finish (or in my case start) the puzzle. It’s now working for me and I’ve tried and failed it about 5 times, but that part I don’t have a problem with.

I think it’s painting an inaccurate picture to lump in topics about bugs with ones about the difficultly based on the title and assume they’re all the same.

Well, there’s a section for bugs, isn’t there? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs

And Arenanet’s people who are solving bugs are probably not checking hallomess’ section, so you should go there.

Yeah I’m still a bit unclear on what’s classified as a bug on this forum. I’ve had topics moved out of there because apparently it was a problem with the computer/internet connection, or it was working correctly and someone misunderstood, but never had a topic moved TO bug reports.

So I tend to assume if I’m not sure what the issue is I’ll post it in the next most appropriate section, then it covers all the bases if it turns out not to be an actual bug.

Because someone else has it worse than me, my issues with -insert issue- don’t matter.
By that logic I shouldn’t be sad when my family gets killed by a terrorist, because there’s been people whose families got first tortured before getting killed. No, how dare I be sad when other people have had it so much worse than me.

PS, I’m not agreeing with the people that the Clock Tower, or Halloween event sucks. I like both, but this argument to try to make people shut up is just stupid.

Milennin.4825:

Because someone else has it worse than me, my issues with -insert issue- don’t matter.
By that logic I shouldn’t be sad when my family gets killed by a terrorist, because there’s been people whose families got first tortured before getting killed. No, how dare I be sad when other people have had it so much worse than me.

PS, I’m not agreeing with the people that the Clock Tower, or Halloween event sucks. I like both, but this argument to try to make people shut up is just stupid.

I don’ think there’s ever been a game forum out there when that argument hasn’t come up at least once.

It’s like the adage that everyone brings up WWII and Nazis eventually if an argument goes long enough. If a game argument goes long enough someone will attempt a ’real problems" argument.

Milennin.4825:

Because someone else has it worse than me, my issues with -insert issue- don’t matter.
By that logic I shouldn’t be sad when my family gets killed by a terrorist, because there’s been people whose families got first tortured before getting killed. No, how dare I be sad when other people have had it so much worse than me.

PS, I’m not agreeing with the people that the Clock Tower, or Halloween event sucks. I like both, but this argument to try to make people shut up is just stupid.

Believe it or not people do use logic like that.

I’ve seen people, completely seriously, telling someone who’s just found out they have cancer that at least they’ve got a kind that can sometimes be treated so they should’t really be complaining because some people have it much worse.

Keiran, I think you might be the one needing to step away from the computer for awhile. “Serious problem X is occurring, and you’re upset about trivial thing Y!” Except… this is a forum for trivial things. Do you make sure to never, ever complain about anything, ever, because children are starving in Africa? This doesn’t encourage people to be happier, it just seems ridiculous, at best.

Seriously dude. There are people out there dying of hunger, and you’re too busy trying to fix the GW forums? Man, some people need to realize that people are out there dying, and that getting their favorite MMO’s forum in order is not the most important thing in life.

Yeah , i mean lets compare the game problems to real world world problems like hunger … seems legit.

Yeah man , if we begin to compare games to hunger EVERY game EVER launched is a master piece flawless.

Dunno why i complain about games , they are all perfect not that i began this new point of view, amazing … :P

Keiran.1896:

Okay, let’s admit it. This forum is pure mess. All sections, okay, but even more this one right now. Seriously, this was me just reading the titles of these threads: http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/poiuytrewq_2008/picard-facepalm-1.jpg

So, now let’s talk about this mess.

First, there are people crying about that one-time event story. They gotta walk their dogs, they gotta get an hurricane on their heads… So they can’t assist this event. Okay! That’s great! (as would say a guy called Colin). But first, Arenanet can’t make an event for all these people. Every day, every hour, every minute, every second there’s someone that can’t play Guild Wars 2. So the event was set a SUNDAY during some people’s HOLIDAYS in the right time for US and EU country.
Let me remind you after that, that there are people dying of hunger in the world while you are crying for this, right? And there are tons of people who would love to play videogames but who live in a poor country, right?
Are you still crying for this event?

No, so let’s talk about this Mad King’s Clock Tower problem. Let’s imagine you’re in Arenanet’s position: you’re working hard on the game, you’re preparing Act 3 and Act 4, you’re working all your time on a Saturday for these stupid players, you’re stressed, you’re annoyed, etc.
And then you come on this forum and you read about players annoyed because they spent 2-6 hours trying to do this puzzle. And they’re really annoyed. But there are also players saying the contrary: this is perfect as it is, you shouldn’t listen to them.
Let’s come back to our main picture: http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/poiuytrewq_2008/picard-facepalm-1.jpg

Let me remind you after that, that there are still people dying of hunger in the world while you are crying for this? And there are still tons of people who would love to play videogames but who live in a poor country?

SO, GUYS, LET ME TELL YOU THAT THIS IS MADNESS AND YOU SHOULD ENJOY LIFE. THAT’S ALL.

You can’t solve world hunger by changing the game code to repeat the event every three hours for 24 hours. You can solve the “one time” event problem by doing that. They made a design decision to have that event only happen once. If you missed it, that’s your loss. That was a decision they made. Many players disagree with their decision – they want to be there for whatever it is, even if that means having it happen more than once. The Mad King visits GW1 every three hours for 24 hours on the final day of the weekend. This allows many people to far more easily access the content without having to be logged in at an exact time. Instead of a 1 hour window they have a 24 hour window. It was done this way because the developers of GW1 foresaw the problems of a single time event when the game is played by millions of people around the world. In the interests of maximising the number of players able to experience the Halloween finale while at the same time keeping it a special Halloween holiday, they made a design decision to repeat it. The developers on GW2 made a different design decision and discarded the desires of people who wished to experience it but can’t be in the game at that exact small window of time. That’s a crappy thing to do IMO and has very little benefit with a huge cost to a lot of people. Those people have every right to bring their concerns and feedback to the forums. Hopefully it will teach the developers that plenty of players dislike or outright despise the design decision that was made and telling them to “watch it on youtube” is an insult to someone who wanted to experience it in game, especially considering it is easily within their means to repeat it.

As far as the jumping puzzle is concerned, it’s what forums are for. Lots of people dislike how it was handled. A lot of the feedback is constructive (not wanting to wait on others before being able to repeat the puzzle, inability to see their characters, speed buffs were removed but some were forgotten and left in etc) and a lot of the feedback gives the temperature of the community on how this content was recieved. This is all important. Some people were happy, some are unhappy. It’s possible they might decide to take the Griffonrook Run approach with future event jumping puzzles – allow the achievement to be obtained by completed a vanilla puzzle but give some extra reward for people who do it with a certain optional event.

Would it really have been so hard to allow players to jump through at their own pace and only give a chest reward to people who made it up before the miasma? It pleases both crowds. That might be something the developers can take away from the feedback. At the end of the day, the people giving feedback are in the right place, you are the one complaining about people using a forum for it’s intended purpose.

Shiren.9532:

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Okay… Then I’m going to give you my point of view on these points again. Your first argument is that Arenanet shouldn’t make that event a one-time event.

Arenanet people are not bad people. In fact, most of them must be wasting their weekend at work to get all the content ready. They have tons of things to do. They must prepare Act 3 & 4, start working on future events, improve the game, read feedback, add content, etc… Conclusion, they are constantly VERY busy making this a great game because they realise that a huge amount of people is expecting things from them.
They could have very well designed 3 items and put these the Gem Store and call this an Halloween event. But no, we had events, doors, content, somekind of quest, mini-games, etc… And now, they want to had a one-time time event to have fun with some players and because that’s the kind of things they enjoy. So, what? If they want to make it a one-time event, shouldn’t they be able to? After all this content that they have given us, don’t you think that they have the right to? Plus they are doing it for a majority of players, with no exclusive reward.

Now, that Clock Tower. As I said in my main post, imagine if you were an Arenanet developper coming on this forum. Players are giving feedback, yea, but there’s a problem. Would you prefer to read:

“HEY ARENANET YOUR CLOCK TOWER SU*** IT IS CRAP GO MAKE IT EASIER OR I BURST THE WHEELS OF YOUR BIKE. BTW THAT HALLOWEEN EVENT IS JUST ALL CRAP JUST AS EVERYTHING YOUR DOING SO CHANGE IT”

OR

“Hello,
I’ve tried Mad King’s Clock Tower many times and I have to admit that this is a bit too hard for me. I really want that achievement and these exotic boots so I was thinking about lowering a bit the difficulty.
Do other people have the same difficulties?
Thanks.”

So, do you see the problem of that “feedback”, now? Arenanet’s people are humans, they do have emotions and I can tell you that the second example has way more chance to get an answer.

Now, you have a few solutions left if you can’t make that Jumping Puzzle:

1. Enjoy life and continue to play the rest of the game, because after all Halloween is only a small part of Guild Wars 2 and your feedback has only a small chance to be taken in consideration.

2. Commit suicide because you’re the most unfortunate guy of the world because you can’t finish your Jumping Puzzle.

3. Take your rage and turn it in the right way. I did that puzzle, you can too.

Exactly. It has to stop to counter every complaint about the complaints (ugh, how you people can still do this) with “we are just giving feedback”. The biggest problem for people who want to discuss their frustrations is the ones who confuse feedback with saying how they dislike it and why it is bad. There is a reason why forums have a code of conduct. To make constructive debate possible, we need moderators.