Guild Wars 2

There is a fine line between a reasonable, difficult puzzle

and one that is simply ridiculous.

The speed at which you NEED to do the first part shows you have no skill when it comes to designing levels. We all know it is supposed to increase in difficulty the close you get to the end, but this one starts like a hassle, which pretty much burns most people who try to get it. They never even get close and it feels so annoying.

it is as if they put the final part of the puzzle at the start just to annoy everyone.

If you pull this any more times Anet, consider me an ex-customer.

If you’re having this much trouble at the start then its good you didnt get past it because you’d have no chance of finishing it since it only gets much harder. If youre harboring so much rage because you arent able to finish an OPTIONAL puzzle then perhaps its better that you stop playing videogames and get some help. Also, where are you pulling the fact that most people dont get past the start from? Ive ran it a number of times with many different groups and in most cases everyone has been able to finish it. Its unfortunate that you are having difficulty with it but not everything is catered to people who cant use a mouse and keyboard efficiently.

Jrunyon.3012:

If you’re having this much trouble at the start then its good you didnt get past it because you’d have no chance of finishing it since it only gets much harder.

Incorrect.

Hardest areas of this puzzle:
1) the initial start after the wait. This is often difficulty caused by the sheer crowd of people and the glitchy and buggy camera angles.

2) the jump onto a platform lower than where you currently are, made difficult if you’ve been somewhat slow due to the fact it will be submerged. If it’s the platform I keep getting stuck at currently, which I believe it is, then it’s also kind of small.

3) according to a friend who got further than me, the hardest jump in the puzzle is a long jump onto a double beamed area. It’s apparently easy to miss this one and even a marginal error is liable to cost you.

So generally the hardest area of the puzzle is the start and afterwhich is it smooth sailing, broken up only by a timing consistency or an actual hard jump.

I will admit, I almost punched my monitor, but I had a lot of fun with the puzzle. Still have not finished it, but still I kept playing it because it was fun!

I want more things in game like this, that are a good challenge. Please make bosses like this that wipe out the none dedicated players! So it feels really rewarding when you finally make the kill.

lol’d at smooth sailing, youre joking right? Did you find an escalator to take you to the top or something?

Waah! This video game is difficult! Waah!

Grow up.
It’s not poorly designed puzzle, and it’s not impossible.
It’s also entirely optional, and you get very little for actually doing it so you’re not missing anything skipping it.

It’s for those of us that want to do a challenge that is difficult because it is difficult.

kagejuin.4713:

The speed at which you NEED to do the first part shows you have no skill when it comes to designing levels. We all know it is supposed to increase in difficulty the close you get to the end, but this one starts like a hassle, which pretty much burns most people who try to get it. They never even get close and it feels so annoying.

it is as if they put the final part of the puzzle at the start just to annoy everyone

Wait, the bit after the cutscene but before the forced pause? As in the easiest part of the entire puzzle?

I always wait for the fatties to go first and then I start with the goo on my feet.
I still make it in time, you must be doing something wrong.

Also a tip: In the faith leap, if it took you too much time to get there and the plataform with the chest is covered in goo, you can jump directly to the plataform after that one.
I do that most of the time (due to taking my time waiting for the fatties).

Jrunyon.3012:

If you’re having this much trouble at the start then its good you didnt get past it because you’d have no chance of finishing it since it only gets much harder. If youre harboring so much rage because you arent able to finish an OPTIONAL puzzle then perhaps its better that you stop playing videogames and get some help. Also, where are you pulling the fact that most people dont get past the start from? Ive ran it a number of times with many different groups and in most cases everyone has been able to finish it. Its unfortunate that you are having difficulty with it but not everything is catered to people who cant use a mouse and keyboard efficiently.

Belittling, condescending and suggesting that the OP needs “help” (eluding to professional therapy etc). Nice comment ya got there. I fully recommend you take that attitude into the real world…use it on your boss even…and see how far you get with it.

To the OP: You are far from alone as the MANY threads can attest. Yes, there will be those individuals who will tell you in very many ways “learn to play” or “you just need to get skillz” or how easy it was for them etc but they do that because, even with having that accomplishment, they are empty. The accomplishment in and of itself is valueless to them. It only has value in that they can lord it over others in order to bring others low in an effort to make themselves feel like “more”. And really, a little perspective goes a long way…this “accomplishment” is a line of pixels saying you jumped a bunch of pixels with a cartoon character and pair of pixelated slippers which will mean less than nothing a few weeks from now and exactly nothing once you leave the game and move on to something else.

The REAL point of a game…is the “fun” it gives you. For some people the fun is in doing hard puzzles like that and that’s perfectly okay. If you find, after a certain length of time, you are NOT having “fun” then the point of “gaming” or playing that specific portion of “the game” is gone. Time to move on to what IS actually bring you enjoyment within the game…or in another game, if/when it comes to that. It’s all about the fun. If it becomes “work”, feels like “work”, has the stress of an agenda like a "
job" does…pfffft, screw it and move on to what equates itself as playtime.

mrsrachelm.7618:

Belittling, condescending and suggesting that the OP needs “help” (eluding to professional therapy etc). Nice comment ya got there. I fully recommend you take that attitude into the real world…use it on your boss even…and see how far you get with it.

To the OP: You are far from alone as the MANY threads can attest. Yes, there will be those individuals who will tell you in very many ways “learn to play” or “you just need to get skillz” or how easy it was for them etc but they do that because, even with having that accomplishment, they are empty. The accomplishment in and of itself is valueless to them. It only has value in that they can lord it over others in order to bring others low in an effort to make themselves feel like “more”. And really, a little perspective goes a long way…this “accomplishment” is a line of pixels saying you jumped a bunch of pixels with a cartoon character and pair of pixelated slippers which will mean less than nothing a few weeks from now and exactly nothing once you leave the game and move on to something else.

The REAL point of a game…is the “fun” it gives you. For some people the fun is in doing hard puzzles like that and that’s perfectly okay. If you find, after a certain length of time, you are NOT having “fun” then the point of “gaming” or playing that specific portion of “the game” is gone. Time to move on to what IS actually bring you enjoyment within the game…or in another game, if/when it comes to that. It’s all about the fun. If it becomes “work”, feels like “work”, has the stress of an agenda like a "
job" does…pfffft, screw it and move on to what equates itself as playtime.

Nice carebear post in which you addressed nothing related to the issue at hand. I didnt say it was easy, nor did I flaunt my “uber l33t skills”, I merely suggested in yes, I admit, a rather offhanded way that perhaps it isnt the games fault, rather it is the OP’s fault for taking this completely optional puzzle so seriously that hes going to quit the game or quit life or whatever.

i too give. This puzzle isn’t about skill, It’s about luck. It’s poorly designed, and poorly executed. Add in the artificle difficulty enhancers (i.e. the forced pauses at certain points) it becomes impossible for anyone who doesn’t have the reflexes of a teenager. I was looking forward to the halloween event, but after working on this puzzle for hours and still not able to get farther then the first chest i dread the rest of whats to come.

Anet, social events are suppose to be fun. You’ve seem to have forgotten that. They’re not suppose to be about who has the best skills, or the connection, or the most money to burn. They’re suppose to be fun for all, not just a select few.

Seeing as how the tower is like this, and the other events so far are some what lacking, I’m going to go waste my time in BF3 until sometime in November. Hopefully the next event you have doesn’t boost such poor judgement as this does.

ToxicToothpick.4396:

Waah! This video game is difficult! Waah!

Grow up.
It’s not poorly designed puzzle, and it’s not impossible.
It’s also entirely optional, and you get very little for actually doing it so you’re not missing anything skipping it.

It’s for those of us that want to do a challenge that is difficult because it is difficult.

You wrote a comment like that and think it’s the OP that needs to grow up? My irony meter just exploded.

Having this puzzle be instanced, soloable -or- grouped, fix the camera bugs and only ONE chest looting per account per day, would have gone a long way to making this puzzle better. It would keep the difficulty of the puzzle itself while making it more accessible, would have kept people from farming the chest who are very skilled at these types of things which made it even harder for others to do the puzzle and increased waiting periods horridly, and also flooding the economy, and so on. They could have also made an easy, moderate or hard mode instanced puzzle with rewards based on difficulty so players had options available, while keeping the one chest per day rule to stop farming etc. There w-ere- and -are- ways they could have made this puzzle MUCH more accessible to a wider player base without being an all-or-nothing proposition so many of think it has to be.

It’s not a poorly designed event. It’s well crafted. I hear both sides whining about how it should be nerfed or that it’s challenging and needs to stay the same. Tough luck, you personally don’t represent anyone but yourself so stop complaining and claiming that you have the right view. If it needs to be changed then Anet is very aware and will do so, if it doesn’t then they won’t.

Anyways, the hardest part of the event though are easily the fat norns and charrs that make it impossible to see. Without norns/charrs I can complete the event fairly quickly. Add just two of those and I’ll never make it 90% of the time past the first few jumps.

bluesnacks.2301:

I hear both sides whining about how it should be nerfed or that it’s challenging and needs to stay the same. Tough luck, you personally don’t represent anyone but yourself so stop complaining and claiming that you have the right view. If it needs to be changed then Anet is very aware and will do so, if it doesn’t then they won’t.

Just curious: How would A-Net know that it should/shouldn’t be changed if no one complained/raved about it?

1. Optional. Therefore you don’t need to do it. It doesn’t give a title, just a pair of boots and some tonics.
2. It’s supposed to be a challenge. Some of the jumps are hard, you have to keep moving to survive.
3. The first part is the worst part not because you have to move fast but because you have to wait and therefore have a zerg of people doing the same jumps.
4. I’ve done this on an Asura in 2 hours, with Norn and Charr in my overflow. Once you learn the jumps it becomes easier. After getting to the clock face once I only failed at the very start from the zerg,from the jump where you have to get onto that horizontal gear because that one involved moving past the visible edge before jumping, or from the end area that I had little practice in.
5. Don’t believe in yourself, believe in the you that believes in you. Such was the advice given to me the round I succeeded in.

Wendigo.7931:

Just curious: How would A-Net know that it should/shouldn’t be changed if no one complained/raved about it?

The problem with your statement is that the number of people who come to the forums to complain greatly outnumber the people who come to say Its good, therefore the forums CANNOT be the way Anet judges whether their content is good or not. Games have been ruined this way and I really dont want to see that happen here.

Wendigo.7931:

bluesnacks.2301:

I hear both sides whining about how it should be nerfed or that it’s challenging and needs to stay the same. Tough luck, you personally don’t represent anyone but yourself so stop complaining and claiming that you have the right view. If it needs to be changed then Anet is very aware and will do so, if it doesn’t then they won’t.

Just curious: How would A-Net know that it should/shouldn’t be changed if no one complained/raved about it?

Criticism can be achieved without resorting to “nerf this because I can’t do it,” and “I did it 10 times because I could you suck don’t change it Anet.”
Moderation would be nice without all of the whining on every thread.

Proffbeer.8154:

i too give. This puzzle isn’t about skill, It’s about luck. It’s poorly designed, and poorly executed. Add in the artificle difficulty enhancers (i.e. the forced pauses at certain points) it becomes impossible for anyone who doesn’t have the reflexes of a teenager. I was looking forward to the halloween event, but after working on this puzzle for hours and still not able to get farther then the first chest i dread the rest of whats to come.

Anet, social events are suppose to be fun. You’ve seem to have forgotten that. They’re not suppose to be about who has the best skills, or the connection, or the most money to burn. They’re suppose to be fun for all, not just a select few.

Seeing as how the tower is like this, and the other events so far are some what lacking, I’m going to go waste my time in BF3 until sometime in November. Hopefully the next event you have doesn’t boost such poor judgement as this does.

Sorry, just to understand, you’re going to quit the entire game for a month because the developers worked hard to add new free content into the game for you, but one small part of that free content was a little too hard for you?

Quite the over-reaction dont you think? My iphones got an app on it I dont like, but I dont throw the phone away…

bluesnacks.2301:

Moderation would be nice without all of the whining on every thread.

Clearly forum moderators are a myth.

All I can say is that after twelve years spent administrating, running and moderating a large variety of forums, the number of repeat topics and unsubtle inflammatory posts that have flown under the radar and gone unchecked, unmerged or unquestioned is kind of startling.

ANet might want to hire some mods or something.

I’ve noticed a pattern with Jrunyon.3012, he seems to have commented negatively on many of the Halloween posts. Anything that doesn’t hold the game up on a shining pedestal generally gets him riled up. How dare people have trouble with jumping puzzles, how dare they not know things that I already know, how dare they even say a thing I don’t like! When he’s called out on it he always excuses it one way or another. Simply my advise to him is if he has nothing constructive to add to the OP he should just take his sour thoughts somewhere else. We all know these posts are pissing about the clock event, we all know that it isn’t easy and forums are being used to vent frustration. I’m pretty sure people understand that. It’s not hard to leave them be. They aren’t going to hurt you I promise.

Airyll.7849:

bluesnacks.2301:

Moderation would be nice without all of the whining on every thread.

Clearly forum moderators are a myth.

All I can say is that after twelve years spent administrating, running and moderating a large variety of forums, the number of repeat topics and unsubtle inflammatory posts that have flown under the radar and gone unchecked, unmerged or unquestioned is kind of startling.

ANet might want to hire some mods or something.

Was talking more of people controlling themselves what they put in posts to be less inflammatory. It’s absurd, I know. It would be nice though

Jrunyon.3012:

The problem with your statement is that the number of people who come to the forums to complain greatly outnumber the people who come to say Its good, therefore the forums CANNOT be the way Anet judges whether their content is good or not. Games have been ruined this way and I really dont want to see that happen here.

The problem with your statement is that the word “forum” never once appears in the
statement it is addressing, nor in the statement that preceded it.

swiftpaw.6397:

I’ve noticed a pattern with Jrunyon.3012, he seems to have commented negatively on many of the Halloween posts. Anything that doesn’t hold the game up on a shining pedestal generally gets him riled up. How dare people have trouble with jumping puzzles, how dare they not know things that I already know, how dare they even say a thing I don’t like! When he’s called out on it he always excuses it one way or another. Simply my advise to him is if he has nothing constructive to add to the OP he should just take his sour thoughts
somewhere else. We all know these posts are pissing about the clock event, we all know that it isn’t easy and forums are being used to vent frustration. I’m pretty sure people understand that. It’s not hard to leave them be. They aren’t going to hurt you I promise.

Aw come on bro, calling me out on the forums?

Last time I checked, these forums were an open place where you can express your opinion, whether I agree with the OP or not. Also, youre kind of over exaggerating on my rudeness in my opinion. I may be harsh, but I am fair and if I call you out on something you said I want you to reply back to me, not dismiss what im saying. Its called a discussion.

bluesnacks.2301:

Was talking more of people controlling themselves what they put in posts to be less inflammatory. It’s absurd, I know. It would be nice though

MMO players moderating themselves on forums so they can have a discussion that might get to the root cause of frustrations of players, in which the frustrated discover it isn’t the difficulty that frustrates them and causes them to fail but buggy cameras, exploits and sour apples in the player community – while those who have already completed it realise that the complaint aren’t all bashing the puzzle and do actually explain concisely why the puzzle is currently a little flawed?

You are quite right, sir/madame. Utter absurdity and nonsense in every form; we all know most of these people make a second living by slinging poop at one another like uncivilised monkeys from a zoo.

Wendigo.7931:

Jrunyon.3012:

The problem with your statement is that the number of people who come to the forums to complain greatly outnumber the people who come to say Its good, therefore the forums CANNOT be the way Anet judges whether their content is good or not. Games have been ruined this way and I really dont want to see that happen here.

The problem with your statement is that the word “forum” never once appears in the
statement it is addressing, nor in the statement that preceded it.

Fair enough, but how else are ideas like nerfing a jumping puzzle conveyed to Anet?

Airyll.7849:

…we all know most of these people make a second living by slinging poop at one another like uncivilised monkeys from a zoo.

^It’s the small things in life that get you through it all.

E-G-O, what’s that spell? Condescending forum warrior! Yayy!

Jrunyon.3012:

swiftpaw.6397:

I’ve noticed a pattern with Jrunyon.3012, he seems to have commented negatively on many of the Halloween posts. Anything that doesn’t hold the game up on a shining pedestal generally gets him riled up. How dare people have trouble with jumping puzzles, how dare they not know things that I already know, how dare they even say a thing I don’t like! When he’s called out on it he always excuses it one way or another. Simply my advise to him is if he has nothing constructive to add to the OP he should just take his sour thoughts
somewhere else. We all know these posts are pissing about the clock event, we all know that it isn’t easy and forums are being used to vent frustration. I’m pretty sure people understand that. It’s not hard to leave them be. They aren’t going to hurt you I promise.

Aw come on bro, calling me out on the forums?

Last time I checked, these forums were an open place where you can express your opinion, whether I agree with the OP or not. Also, youre kind of over exaggerating on my rudeness in my opinion. I may be harsh, but I am fair and if I call you out on something you said I want you to reply back to me, not dismiss what im saying. Its called a discussion.

Well let’s look at your first comment on this thread:

’You’re having this much trouble at the start then its good you didnt get past it because you’d have no chance of finishing it since it only gets much harder. If youre harboring so much rage because you arent able to finish an OPTIONAL puzzle then perhaps its better that you stop playing videogames and get some help. Also, where are you pulling the fact that most people dont get past the start from? Ive ran it a number of times with many different groups and in most cases everyone has been able to finish it. Its unfortunate that you are having difficulty with it but not everything is catered to people who cant use a mouse and keyboard efficiently. ’

-How is this constructive ‘discussion’ in any way, shape or form?
You are attacking the individual and their ability to use a keyboard and mouse.
You are accusing them of harboring rage and telling them they need ‘help’ like they are a mental case.
You go so far as to tell them to leave the game.

If you really want to ‘share your opinion’ maybe you should start with the actual jumping puzzle instead of the player who you don’t even know. The best you can do on a thread like this is give helpful tips on how to improve and get the puzzle sorted. Flaming them isn’t going to achieve anything.

Cyric.7485:

Airyll.7849:

…we all know most of these people make a second living by slinging poop at one another like uncivilised monkeys from a zoo.

^It’s the small things in life that get you through it all.

E-G-O, what’s that spell? Condescending forum warrior! Yayy!

If the latter was aimed at me, I really don’t have an ego to speak of. Several times in my younger days, in fact, I did exactly the same kitten thing, because slinging poop at the people I perceived to be idiots was actually pretty fun.

Then life slapped me in the face and I grew up a bit.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m as allergic to stupid as the next person is. The only difference is that I’m allergic to the stupid on both sides of the argument. The people who demand a nerf because “Holybawlswhatisthiswhyisitsohard” irritate me as much as the people who say “well I can do it so you must just suck”

Maybe it’s because I like meatier arguments where people actually bring facts alongside them instead of just mindlessly tossing poop around.

(You’d be one of the above. I enjoy reading the majority of your posts because, while I don’t agree on all points, they’re well articulated and make a lot of sense.)

TL;DR – if people are going to mindlessly throw poop at one another, the least they could do is hide stones in there.

Jrunyon.3012:

Fair enough, but how else are ideas like nerfing a jumping puzzle conveyed to Anet?

Have you seen the chat channels in game? If I was ANet, I’d be poring over those. Lots of praise and chastisement there.

But, so that I don’t take the easy way out and point to generic “other” forms of communication, I will say that forums are still an important part of understanding the community. It may not give you the best handle on how big a problem is, if it’s a problem at all, but the format allows for more information on how to fix it if necessary.

Airyll.7849:

If the latter was aimed at me, I really don’t have an ego to speak of. Several times in my younger days, in fact, I did exactly the same kitten thing, because slinging poop at the people I perceived to be idiots was actually pretty fun.

Then life slapped me in the face and I grew up a bit.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m as allergic to stupid as the next person is. The only difference is that I’m allergic to the stupid on both sides of the argument. The people who demand a nerf because “Holybawlswhatisthiswhyisitsohard” irritate me as much as the people who say “well I can do it so you must just suck”

Maybe it’s because I like meatier arguments where people actually bring facts alongside them instead of just mindlessly tossing poop around.

(You’d be one of the above. I enjoy reading the majority of your posts because, while I don’t agree on all points, they’re well articulated and make a lot of sense.)

TL;DR – if people are going to mindlessly throw poop at one another, the least they could do is hide stones in there.

Oooo… I suddenly like you a little too much, lmao. I totally agree with you and some of my posts get kind of heated though because I feel like I’m slamming my head against a wall.

Cyric.7485:

dummy post so i can quote, editing xD

i c whut u did thar

swiftpaw.6397:

Well let’s look at your first comment on this thread:

’You’re having this much trouble at the start then its good you didnt get past it because you’d have no chance of finishing it since it only gets much harder. If youre harboring so much rage because you arent able to finish an OPTIONAL puzzle then perhaps its better that you stop playing videogames and get some help. Also, where are you pulling the fact that most people dont get past the start from? Ive ran it a number of times with many different groups and in most cases everyone has been able to finish it. Its unfortunate that you are having difficulty with it but not everything is catered to people who cant use a mouse and keyboard efficiently. ’

-How is this constructive ‘discussion’ in any way, shape or form?
You are attacking the individual and their ability to use a keyboard and mouse.
You are accusing them of harboring rage and telling them they need ‘help’ like they are a mental case.
You go so far as to tell them to leave the game.

If you really want to ‘share your opinion’ maybe you should start with the actual jumping puzzle instead of the player who you don’t even know. The best you can do on a thread like this is give helpful tips on how to improve and get the puzzle sorted. Flaming them isn’t going to achieve anything.

Did you read his post? Nothing he wrote indicated that he wanted help with this puzzle. He completely wrote it off and neither offered anything that could fix the puzzle nor did he take any consideration that it might be his own for lack of a better term “skill” to beat the puzzle.

To bad I can’t help, made it with all 5 chars :/

Airyll.7849:

Cyric.7485:

dummy post so i can quote, editing xD

i c whut u did thar

Lmao. For some reason all the formatting options just vanish and they only re-appear if I post something first. Something inside me demands I quote instead of typing @so&so, feels more official to quote I guess. -.-

Cyric.7485:

Oooo… I suddenly like you a little too much, lmao. I totally agree with you and some of my posts get kind of heated though because I feel like I’m slamming my head against a wall.

I know that feeling all too well.

To be completely honest, the last MMO I ever played on that I also used the forums on, I ended up letting my temper get the better of me. Better (or worse, depending) still was that the stupidity was coming from newly appointed moderators, so I was literally arguing with people who had the ability to ban me at any given time.

My two week ban was given to me in due time, but not before I got those prats fired.

Like I said, man, stones. STONES.

XD

If you consider the hardest part to be at the beginning then you should be grateful for that. It means you can easily do many attempts on it untill you master it. And it’ll be nothing but smooth sailing after that right?

Anyway the puzzle is great! No change!

Jrunyon.3012:

Did you read his post? Nothing he wrote indicated that he wanted help with this puzzle. He completely wrote it off and neither offered anything that could fix the puzzle nor did he take any consideration that it might be his own for lack of a better term “skill” to beat the puzzle.[/quote]

Oh yes I did read his post and of course, I agree that he hasn’t indicated he wants help. But clearly he needs some tips if he’s at his wit’s end with this puzzle. Although his post isn’t constructive in the least, that doesn’t mean you have to be the same. You make no difference to anything by going off at him, as I said before, it’s best to just ignore them or offer something that can turn the situation around. There really is nothing that you achieve by insulting them, it just makes the community look bad. If you scroll up you can see others talking about how silly both sides of the argument looks. Those complaining but don’t want help and those insulting and offering none. It takes someone to go above that and provide the information they know and leave it up to the complainer to take it or not. You lose nothing and hopefully someone gains some insight on how to do the puzzle and may ( or may not) attempt it again.

I understand your frustration with people like this, but you cant make them go away in this manner, it just makes the game look worse.

swiftpaw.6397:

Oh yes I did read his post and of course, I agree that he hasn’t indicated he wants help. But clearly he needs some tips if he’s at his wit’s end with this puzzle. Although his post isn’t constructive in the least, that doesn’t mean you have to be the same. You make no difference to anything by going off at him, as I said before, it’s best to just ignore them or offer something that can turn the situation around. There really is nothing that you achieve by insulting them, it just makes the community look bad. If you scroll up you can see others talking about how silly both sides of the argument looks. Those complaining but don’t want help and those insulting and offering none. It takes someone to go above that and provide the information they know and leave it up to the complainer to take it or not. You lose nothing and hopefully someone gains some insight on how to do the puzzle and may ( or may not) attempt it again.

I understand your frustration with people like this, but you cant make them go away in this manner, it just makes the game look worse.

Alright, Ill be reasonable and admit that I was being less then helpful. I have been posting helpful advice in all the other threads I can though, I even helped one guy finish his puzzle! You make some very good points and Im glad theres other helpful people on these forums

‘Alright, Ill be reasonable and admit that I was being less then helpful. I have been posting helpful advice in all the other threads I can though, I even helped one guy finish his puzzle!You make some very good points and Im glad theres other helpful people on these forums’

Oh well that is good to hear
Yes I think it’s just the best way to approach things no matter how frustrating. Many times I want to flame too, I just get on vent and yell at my guildies about it haha.

I think the OP hasn’t tried the Griffonrook Run yet. I don’t understand why people start crying when offered a challenge. This Clocktower is very well timed and precise. You need to be spot on with your speed, can’t have any delays, and do not have time to stand around wondering where to jump next. Which means, try, try and try again. Practice!

Of course, Charr and Norn blocking your view is a real pain. But often I find the first part the most challenging, and the rest is pretty smooth sailing, apart from a certain jump to a slanted cog, and a jump to a small beam. Oh, and the fake chests and the dead end confused me for a while. But at no point did I feel angry or upset. It is a fair challenge. It’s just hard.

obviously the majority of idiots trying to convince me I should grow up and get better are the little kids on the forum. People with psychological problems who need to play a game where they can feel good about themselves. Not me.

The level fails and is badly designed because there are different phases of how difficulty should scale, or how to keep something entertaining even if it IS hard.

at the very very start it’s easy. then there is a forced pause. Never in my life have I had a forced pause in a timed event in any other platformer. What is this? artificial difficulty? forcing me to fail?.

After that is the ‘1st’ section where everyone fails, also known as the hardest section: you cannot stop moving forward and there are alot of precise jumps. if you cannot keep going forward while jumping you will die here.

the second section, because I HAVE been to youtube, is easy as crap. huge platforms, alot of walking, one small block. so what?. Then you need to jump down. Also easy. Whatever comes after this is so easy, that I feel they should have switched this puzzle around. let us start with part 2 and 3 and then get to part 1.
that way you feel a sense of progress as the puzzle gets harder and harder right before the end. It makes people rage alot less.

as it stands now I can finish the puzzle if I could do it alone, and if the pauze would be removed.

I am not an avid PC gamer, I don’t go around doing 360 quick scopes in CoD. I am more of a console gamer. I cannot keep running forward and change my mouse direction in an instant and have it be aligned properly.

My computer has framerate issues so whenever there are all those people it drops to about 10, which forces me to confirm my landing, which again is impossible with a huge crowd.

those kids who made it through? I am sure some deserve an applause, but certainly not those elitist pricks who do nothing but grief. they spam say, they spam pets and speed boons to distract you or make you miss jumps and then laugh about how they did make it.

they give 0 constructive criticism.

Arenanet: I just gave you the bottlenecks and some solutions i.e.: remove the forced wait, make it a solo instance, or shift the puzzle so part 1 comes at the end.

That way I could gladly keep trying.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.I am not saying make it easy. I am saying make it emergent difficulty.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.I am not saying make it easy. I am saying make it emergent difficulty.This artificial difficulty makes people hate the game, because it doesn’t feel like their fault.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.I am not saying make it easy. I am saying make it emergent difficulty.This artificial difficulty makes people hate the game, because it doesn’t feel like their fault.there is no tip you can give me, because there is nothing I can do. I have tried every different path and have memorized my path all that is missing now is doing it perfectly without a second or milisecond of hesitation and that is not reasonable.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.I am not saying make it easy. I am saying make it emergent difficulty.This artificial difficulty makes people hate the game, because it doesn’t feel like their fault.there is no tip you can give me, because there is nothing I can do. I have tried every different path and have memorized my path all that is missing now is doing it perfectly without a second or milisecond of hesitation and that is not reasonable.platforming games, where platforming is most important , you get more leniency.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.I am not saying make it easy. I am saying make it emergent difficulty.This artificial difficulty makes people hate the game, because it doesn’t feel like their fault.there is no tip you can give me, because there is nothing I can do. I have tried every different path and have memorized my path all that is missing now is doing it perfectly without a second or milisecond of hesitation and that is not reasonable.platforming games, where platforming is most important , you get more leniency.With a difficult routine as this one you would either get more chances to make errors. But I suppose Anet doesn’t know how to make a fair game.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.I am not saying make it easy. I am saying make it emergent difficulty.This artificial difficulty makes people hate the game, because it doesn’t feel like their fault.there is no tip you can give me, because there is nothing I can do. I have tried every different path and have memorized my path all that is missing now is doing it perfectly without a second or milisecond of hesitation and that is not reasonable.platforming games, where platforming is most important , you get more leniency.With a difficult routine as this one you would either get more chances to make errors. But I suppose Anet doesn’t know how to make a fair game.Difficulty should not come from how hard the controls are, no, difficulty should come from how difficult ingame mechanics can become.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.I am not saying make it easy. I am saying make it emergent difficulty.This artificial difficulty makes people hate the game, because it doesn’t feel like their fault.there is no tip you can give me, because there is nothing I can do. I have tried every different path and have memorized my path all that is missing now is doing it perfectly without a second or milisecond of hesitation and that is not reasonable.platforming games, where platforming is most important , you get more leniency.With a difficult routine as this one you would either get more chances to make errors. But I suppose Anet doesn’t know how to make a fair game.Difficulty should not come from how hard the controls are, no, difficulty should come from how difficult ingame mechanics can become.It makes me feel like some kind of machine when doing this puzzle because nothing about it screams skill. it’s all execution. No ingame skill.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.I am not saying make it easy. I am saying make it emergent difficulty.This artificial difficulty makes people hate the game, because it doesn’t feel like their fault.there is no tip you can give me, because there is nothing I can do. I have tried every different path and have memorized my path all that is missing now is doing it perfectly without a second or milisecond of hesitation and that is not reasonable.platforming games, where platforming is most important , you get more leniency.With a difficult routine as this one you would either get more chances to make errors. But I suppose Anet doesn’t know how to make a fair game.Difficulty should not come from how hard the controls are, no, difficulty should come from how difficult ingame mechanics can become.It makes me feel like some kind of machine when doing this puzzle because nothing about it screams skill. it’s all execution. No ingame skill.This game was not a platformer and it shows in its controls, there is no control over your jump speed, height or anything really other than direction.
Therefore it feels like a nightmare trying to do the first part. Allow me to get good at it and do easy parts fast so I can have a little time to adjust for harder jumps. That is how timed platforming levels work. it seems super impossible and might still feel impossible at the end when you finish it, but it comes down to skill, because you trained and got to do easier parts quicker which gave you time to get to harder parts.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.I am not saying make it easy. I am saying make it emergent difficulty.This artificial difficulty makes people hate the game, because it doesn’t feel like their fault.there is no tip you can give me, because there is nothing I can do. I have tried every different path and have memorized my path all that is missing now is doing it perfectly without a second or milisecond of hesitation and that is not reasonable.platforming games, where platforming is most important , you get more leniency.With a difficult routine as this one you would either get more chances to make errors. But I suppose Anet doesn’t know how to make a fair game.Difficulty should not come from how hard the controls are, no, difficulty should come from how difficult ingame mechanics can become.It makes me feel like some kind of machine when doing this puzzle because nothing about it screams skill. it’s all execution. No ingame skill.This game was not a platformer and it shows in its controls, there is no control over your jump speed, height or anything really other than direction.
Therefore it feels like a nightmare trying to do the first part. Allow me to get good at it and do easy parts fast so I can have a little time to adjust for harder jumps. That is how timed platforming levels work. it seems super impossible and might still feel impossible at the end when you finish it, but it comes down to skill, because you trained and got to do easier parts quicker which gave you time to get to harder parts.as it stands now, I can’t learn to do the hard parts due to always having to wait and people being in the way obscuring my character and causing framerate issues. seriously.

wow.. on a second note: there are too many inconsiderate people. I have been in the tower for hours and more people leave than there are people who say. I will gladly estimate that around 80% does not make it. they leave before they do. and around 60 to 70% leaves after the aforementioned first part, right after the forced stop which is completely unnecessary.If you had so much fun doing the puzzle with your elitist buddies and call that: most people made it. you have been blind. not paying attention to all the people popping in and out of the tower.I am not saying make it easy. I am saying make it emergent difficulty.This artificial difficulty makes people hate the game, because it doesn’t feel like their fault.there is no tip you can give me, because there is nothing I can do. I have tried every different path and have memorized my path all that is missing now is doing it perfectly without a second or milisecond of hesitation and that is not reasonable.platforming games, where platforming is most important , you get more leniency.With a difficult routine as this one you would either get more chances to make errors. But I suppose Anet doesn’t know how to make a fair game.Difficulty should not come from how hard the controls are, no, difficulty should come from how difficult ingame mechanics can become.It makes me feel like some kind of machine when doing this puzzle because nothing about it screams skill. it’s all execution. No ingame skill.This game was not a platformer and it shows in its controls, there is no control over your jump speed, height or anything really other than direction.
Therefore it feels like a nightmare trying to do the first part. Allow me to get good at it and do easy parts fast so I can have a little time to adjust for harder jumps. That is how timed platforming levels work. it seems super impossible and might still feel impossible at the end when you finish it, but it comes down to skill, because you trained and got to do easier parts quicker which gave you time to get to harder parts.as it stands now, I can’t learn to do the hard parts due to always having to wait and people being in the way obscuring my character and causing framerate issues. seriously.I suggest everybody else go read " the art of game design a book of lenses".
before you jump in with “HAHAHAH kittenolol I made it so you should, stop kittening or quit! I feel so good because my kitten is so huge now! cry more to make it bigger!”

I’m fine with the difficulty of the clock tower. I just want to be able to do it without 5 big shirtless Norn obstructing my view.

I think something went wrong two posts above.

Its useless this event its a completly crap an fun here pff its none i am a casual player like to play for relax ikittennow what i mean, when i enter on this crappy puzzle where the hell is the fun of this? i will not do the halloween event just because of this event that is for sure!

Truly disapointed with this!

They need to just remove the puzzle. All it has accomplished is causing a major fight among the community.

did that JP with all my 8 chars, with some twice … no problem, needed about 1h for the first time, but now one of the first 3 tries=success

on weeks i have like 3 hours of play time will waste 1,2 or even3 hours on that like some guild mates i know? think its understandeble my point

kagejuin.4713

obviously the majority of idiots trying to convince me I should grow up and get better are the little kids on the forum. People with psychological problems who need to play a game where they can feel good about themselves. Not me.

Hmm, starting off with an ad hominem filled with offensive talk, a thrilling start.

kagejuin.4713

The level fails and is badly designed because there are different phases of how difficulty should scale, or how to keep something entertaining even if it IS hard.

Starting with the conclusion, fine. Let’s see the reasoning behind this.

kagejuin.4713

at the very very start it’s easy. then there is a forced pause. Never in my life have I had a forced pause in a timed event in any other platformer. What is this? artificial difficulty? forcing me to fail?.

Clearly, you haven’t played enough platformers in your life. Some of the most famous platformers include ‘forced stops’ followed by a timed jump that needs to be done in a certain time such as some of the Mario games or where getting a good time was optional such as the Sonic games.

kagejuin.4713

After that is the ‘1st’ section where everyone fails, also known as the hardest section: you cannot stop moving forward and there are alot of precise jumps. if you cannot keep going forward while jumping you will die here.

kagejuin.4713

That’s a matter of opinion, I honestly only died a few times in the part your describing.

kagejuin.4713

the second section, because I HAVE been to youtube, is easy as crap. huge platforms, alot of walking, one small block. so what?. Then you need to jump down. Also easy. Whatever comes after this is so easy, that I feel they should have switched this puzzle around. let us start with part 2 and 3 and then get to part 1.
that way you feel a sense of progress as the puzzle gets harder and harder right before the end. It makes people rage alot less.
as it stands now I can finish the puzzle if I could do it alone, and if the pauze would be removed.

Again, this is a matter of opinion. I disagree, I died a lot in the second part. The jumps are not as easy as they seem and it’s quite stressful ’cause you still are getting chases by the rising ooze/goo/poision.

kagejuin.4713

I am not an avid PC gamer, I don’t go around doing 360 quick scopes in CoD. I am more of a console gamer. I cannot keep running forward and change my mouse direction in an instant and have it be aligned properly.

You’re not a PC gamer but this is a PC game, I’d suggest you get better at using the mouse/keyboard. (PS; I hate games like CoD and tend to avoid them because they’re filled with whining 14 year old boys and CoD is casual as gently caress) I’m also more of a console gamer, so that’s not a good excuse.

kagejuin.4713

My computer has framerate issues so whenever there are all those people it drops to about 10, which forces me to confirm my landing, which again is impossible with a huge crowd.

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Get a better PC
/srsly

those kids who made it through? I am sure some deserve an applause, but certainly not those elitist pricks who do nothing but grief. they spam say, they spam pets and speed boons to distract you or make you miss jumps and then laugh about how they did make it.
they give 0 constructive criticism.

Agreed, anyone who harasses another player during the jumping puzzle can gently caress himself. However the part about ‘elitists’ giving 0 percent constructive criticism is BS.

kagejuin.4713

Arenanet: I just gave you the bottlenecks and some solutions i.e.: remove the forced wait, make it a solo instance, or shift the puzzle so part 1 comes at the end.

Disagree, the wait and the people are part of the challenge. The 2nd part is harder.

However; give everybody a costume so that there is no height differences, remove traits upon entrance, remover banners.

kagejuin.4713

That way I could gladly keep trying.

Nobody gives a gently caress wether you keep trying or give up.

I suspect I would enjoy this puzzle a lot more if I didn’t have to share it with so many other people.