Guild Wars 2

I’ve run it 6 times and got a stack of BL Salvage Kits, a kitten ton of halloween mats, the Halloween shield and the Greatsaw skin.

You must be really good in the field of probability and statistic…

i dont get your point Galandil…

ive run 16 times first 4th run got my exotic and im having a blast here so..

i guess you want 100G and 10 pre-cursors for chest

let me add that i have almost infinite supply of booster for every alt.

The point is that saying, like OP did, “in 6 times I got 2 rare Halloween drops” and using this as proof that other people complaining about drop rates from the MK dng shouldn’t do that is showing, at best, profound ignorance on the matter of probability.

I’ve run the MK dng about 10 times myself, and got 2 exotics, and since I don’t know the exact loot tables of the final chest, I can’t say if I’ve been extremely lucky or the contrary. For OP, though, it’s perfectly normal.

This thread has the usefulness of a round kick in the teeth.

It makes just as much sense as the people complaining that the drop rates are too low.

My point is that anecdotal evidence means nothing because when RNG is involved there is bound to be two ends of the spectrum.

imho, I think it is all about random, probability, statistics… some can call it luck.
Some are lucky, while some aren’t.

If everyone gets an exotic at every run, Trading Post will have too many exotic that nothing is so spectacular about exotic anymore!

I like how people complained chests dropped garbage before and now that there is a chest that drops everything under the sun, it’s still not good enough…

Oh internet, you’re so fickle and fun!

Mostly because people want free stuff and don’t know how to just have fun. If I were to design the halloween event I’d make the clock tower a gentle slope topped by a chest with 300 GP inside. It would also be infinitely repeatable and take only 10 seconds (I hope that isn’t too long for the sensitive folks out there). Then I’d have the mad king give everyone hot chocolate and poop out exotics and halloween skins as he strolled around the lion statue.

WTF? I spend $20 on BLC keys, get jack. Run MK at least 20 times, and get jack.. One lousy rare worth 52silver. (Not REALLY complaining) Some guys/gals have all the luck. Congrats. I’ll just stick with my blues thank you very much. =)

I ran today around 30 times … got 4/5 exos … nothing useful.

What i want is the halloween skins , i know it will be hard but i will keep trying.

Honestly , i think Anet picked the right thing , do the dungeon many times and get stuff , problem is , i think they made this open too late , they should have had this from the start.

I did it 10 times in full MF and guild MF bonuses yet still I didn’t even get a single rare. I get green items and some armor boosters constantly. I don’t get how people in my party without any MF or anyting are getting exotics, something is clearly bugged here…

I have the full Mad Kings MF set – I am not getting any of the legendaries or even the precursors from the chest, only some silly greens. Something must be seriously bugged indeed…

Because it would be infinitely better if it just dropped some tokens that let you get some soulbound on acquire items.

But ArenaNet doesn’t understand that putting effort into something that requires time and skill and getting rewarded for it is actually fun, instead they make the rewards based on 100% dumb luck.

And then they wonder why the economy is in the toilet.

I’ve done it about ten times and the only thing of decent value I could drop from the mad king’s chest is a Corrupted Lodestone.

I’ve run it anywhere between 10 and 15 times and only greens so far, sometimes just a few mat bags :P Full MF set with food buffs.

I’m having fun though, maybe I’ll get lucky, maybe not!

I love the chest loot table for MK – it makes the hard to reach, unobtainable items for regular players – available to everyone.

I haven’t gotten a single skin yet but the mere fact that some of those around me are getting them is encouraging enough.

Just enjoy the process and be less outcome orientated.

I’ve gotten a ton of gem shop items from it – dye pack, black lion key, boosters, etc.

Seems like pretty awesome loot to me. (No exos yet, but I’ll do some more runs tomorrow and see what I get.)

Games shouldn’t be about luck.

All I wanted was to get something halloween-related to remind me of the event. I don`t really care for “normal” loot drops, I can always get those from Plinx runs/Jump puzzles/whatever.

What I got so far:
- 1 useless backbrace (low stats)
- 1 backbrace I cannot put an embellished jewel in (worse than storyline one)
- 0 halloween skins (20 BLC, 10 MKC, hours of participating in different events plus MK dungeon runs)
- 10-slot SOULBOUND halloween bag (at 80 I have 18-slot bags on main, I could have used it on a storage alt but it is soulbound, and I can`t waste my limited bank slots on a thing I`ll never use)
- about 1000 candy corns that I will never use to craft food, because food from candy corn is actually more costly than the same-stat food without it, even if you dont equate the price of corn itself (cue: peach tart/glazed peach tart)
- halloween-related mats that are only good if you are prepared to dump enormous amounts of extra money to make something from it (cue: halloween exotic weapons for the price of legendary)
- 70-ish Mad King Slippers with a visual of standard item
- some halloween tonics that`ll be gone after a couple of brawls…

Have I missed anything?

Keiran.1896:

Games shouldn’t be about luck.

/boggle….There are many things that are skill based in GW2…but like most MMO there is a luck aspect. Doesnt pen-and-paper D&D have a luck stat. Opening magic card packs is random. RPG in general have a mechanic like this.No there is no DKP system in this game (thank god) There are plenty of token grinds to be had that arent RNG.

I love the chest loot table for MK – it makes items that could have been a symbol of dedication, of effort, of skill, of perseverance – available for dumb luck

Aelaren.3784:

All I wanted was to get something halloween-related to remind me of the event. I don`t really care for “normal” loot drops, I can always get those from Plinx runs/Jump puzzles/whatever.

What I got so far:
- 1 useless backbrace (low stats)
- 1 backbrace I cannot put an embellished jewel in (worse then storyline one)
- 0 halloween skins (20 BLC, 10 MKC, hours of participating in different events plus MK dungeon runs)
- 10-slot SOULBOUND halloween bag (at 80 I have 18-slot bags on main, I could have used it on a storage alt but it is soulbound, and I can`t waste my limited bank slots on a thing I`ll never use)
- about 1000 candy corns that I will never use to craft food, because food from candy corn is actually more costly than the same-stat food without it, even if you dont equate the price of corn itself (cue: peach tart/glazed peach tart)
- halloween-related mats that are only good if you are prepared to dump enormous amounts of extra money to make something from it (cue: halloween exotic weapons for the price of legendary)
- 70-ish Mad King Slippers with a visual of standard item
- some halloween tonics that`ll be gone after a couple of brawls…

Have I missed anything?

So had you got the skin or exo you wanted…would you have just sold it like everyone else? Im keeping mine.

Also, it is up to that person I think selling is fine but there are dozens of each for sale at all times. I am just kind of calling B.S on people wanting these for anything other than flipping.

Run it 7 times got only blues and the crappy tot bags

If I could use it myself (both chainsaws, shield, staff, heavy shoulders) – I`d use them. If not, I`d probably transmute it for an alt. The only thing I`d sell would be something out of a full set that I dont have all items for.

I would have been happy with just a second book backbrace if it was upgradeable (I can`t seem to be able to put embellished jewel on it) or with the slot bag if it had at least the same slot count as the ones I am using OR was account-bound instead of soulbound.

Event itself was hands-down the best event I experienced in my 10 years of playing different MMOs. Event rewards are, well, maybe not THE worst, but definitely somewhere in worst 3.

^ keep trying its worth it

DeathCrayon.5802:

I’ve run it 6 times and got a stack of BL Salvage Kits, a kitten ton of halloween mats, the Halloween shield and the Greatsaw skin.

They wouldn’t be complaining if they got what you got.

I’ve done about 15 runs, gotten 1 exotic… torch.

Aelaren.3784:

If I could use it myself (both chainsaws, shield, staff, heavy shoulders) – I`d use them. If not, I`d probably transmute it for an alt. The only thing I`d sell would be something out of a full set that I dont have all items for.

I would have been happy with just a second book backbrace if it was upgradeable (I can`t seem to be able to put embellished jewel on it) or with the slot bag if it had at least the same slot count as the ones I am using OR was account-bound instead of soulbound.

Event itself was hands-down the best event I experienced in my 10 years of playing different MMOs. Event rewards are, well, maybe not THE worst, but definitely somewhere in worst 3.

I’m curious what had worse rewards now. I’ve actively played close to a dozen different MMOs and never seen anything that felt like such a kick in the shins for participating in events.

Well Lineage2 had some extremely kitty rewards as of late. Like buffs you can use for 15min after you get them in town (and it takes 5-10 min to get to any place where you can exp); or a single halloween monster spawn on map where it got swarmed pretty instantly by the army of bots (and that monster dropped the mat that was required in every single event reward).

Aelaren.3784:

If I could use it myself (both chainsaws, shield, staff, heavy shoulders) – I`d use them. If not, I`d probably transmute it for an alt. The only thing I`d sell would be something out of a full set that I dont have all items for.

I would have been happy with just a second book backbrace if it was upgradeable (I can`t seem to be able to put embellished jewel on it) or with the slot bag if it had at least the same slot count as the ones I am using OR was account-bound instead of soulbound.

Event itself was hands-down the best event I experienced in my 10 years of playing different MMOs. Event rewards are, well, maybe not THE worst, but definitely somewhere in worst 3.

Potential rewards were outstanding….the problem with this game is everyone gets rewards for everything. The sheer amount of loot that drops for all is mind-boggling. It makes odds tough on RNG because to keep it rare with that much loot you have to meter that…but then you get lots happy anfld lots unhappy…not sure what the answer is. I dont think its tokens. That system is in place for other types of rewards.

The problem is EXACTLY this what you said – u got 2 rare items in 6 runs. Many other ppl who did it 10-20-30 times got nothing but trash. That is problem. Problem is that lvl 5 player who dont know anything about event login , join random party and gets 2 rare items worth almost 100g.
That is problem why ppl are pissed on Anet . They dont give a …… about effort, they make everything RNG.

because there are some people like me, with 30 runs and only 1 exotic (crappy ring), event got white bags , those dropped from mobs with resources like leather

Mad King Chest is trolling me bad….

Cerise.9045:

Aelaren.3784:

If I could use it myself (both chainsaws, shield, staff, heavy shoulders) – I`d use them. If not, I`d probably transmute it for an alt. The only thing I`d sell would be something out of a full set that I dont have all items for.

I would have been happy with just a second book backbrace if it was upgradeable (I can`t seem to be able to put embellished jewel on it) or with the slot bag if it had at least the same slot count as the ones I am using OR was account-bound instead of soulbound.

Event itself was hands-down the best event I experienced in my 10 years of playing different MMOs. Event rewards are, well, maybe not THE worst, but definitely somewhere in worst 3.

I’m curious what had worse rewards now. I’ve actively played close to a dozen different MMOs and never seen anything that felt like such a kick in the shins for participating in events.

To play devils advocate, what game had an event where you could get an item from it worth the equivilant of 30 GW2 gold? Most of WoWs stuff was garbage….so garbage rewards for all? Or make it so common its 6 silver on the TP?

Everything seems to boil down to money, which is sad. I just wanted some non-OP trinket that would remind me of event and be at least useable on my 80lvl. You can keep your rares, really. I doubt that fixing the rewards I mentioned above (20-slot/ account-bound bag, soulbound but upgreadable backbrace) will net me any money at all. But I`ll have my event reward and feel happy for it. If the reward is the same for everyone on server, there won`t be any TP-hype about it.

Let all the other stuff be rare and non-acquirable by a casual player, but let the casual player get at least something from an event.

kiranslee.4829:

The problem is EXACTLY this what you said – u got 2 rare items in 6 runs. Many other ppl who did it 10-20-30 times got nothing but trash. That is problem. Problem is that lvl 5 player who dont know anything about event login , join random party and gets 2 rare items worth almost 100g.
That is problem why ppl are pissed on Anet . They dont give a …… about effort, they make everything RNG.

For the record, I ran it 40+ times …got arachnophobia early. Nothing much after…also tons of blc and MK with nothing…ill run it 40 more, best chest in game.

I had Fun and it was totally worth my time in the MK Dungeon but then you see this SOULBOUND ToT bag 10 Slots.. What? The rewards from the chest don’t even matter. And Fun was turned into Disappointment. Almost every player has now 18 bag slots. Many people would not complain if the ToT Bag were accountbound and had 20 Slots. But so this ToT bag is just useless and then you´re one of them without luck and got crap out of the chest. No Wonder people are complaining.

DeathCrayon.5802:

I’ve run it 6 times and got a stack of BL Salvage Kits, a kitten ton of halloween mats, the Halloween shield and the Greatsaw skin.

This IS why people are complaining. You’re completely oblivious as to how lucky you are.

Dungin.2983:

Aelaren.3784:

If I could use it myself (both chainsaws, shield, staff, heavy shoulders) – I`d use them. If not, I`d probably transmute it for an alt. The only thing I`d sell would be something out of a full set that I dont have all items for.

I would have been happy with just a second book backbrace if it was upgradeable (I can`t seem to be able to put embellished jewel on it) or with the slot bag if it had at least the same slot count as the ones I am using OR was account-bound instead of soulbound.

Event itself was hands-down the best event I experienced in my 10 years of playing different MMOs. Event rewards are, well, maybe not THE worst, but definitely somewhere in worst 3.

Potential rewards were outstanding….the problem with this game is everyone gets rewards for everything. The sheer amount of loot that drops for all is mind-boggling. It makes odds tough on RNG because to keep it rare with that much loot you have to meter that…but then you get lots happy anfld lots unhappy…not sure what the answer is. I dont think its tokens. That system is in place for other types of rewards.

The scavenger hunt was on the right track, it gives a halloween themed reward that you actually earn for doing halloween stuff. The problem is that it takes one, maybe two hours to finish. 30 minutes if you look up a guide. The other hours you spend doing all the other halloween events just reward you with a kick to the shins, unless you’re one of the few that win the lottery.

1. Instead of a generic exotic with no relation to halloween, give a hoice of halloween skin from the clock tower, soulbound so it doesn’t destroy the economy

2. Instead of mystic coins, each daily completed during halloween gives a mad king coin, exchange 5 of these for a halloween reward of your choice, soulbound so it doesn’t destroy the economy “Daily Events” is replaced with “Daily Halloween events” to make sure it’s a reward for participating in halloween

3. Each day the top whatever winners for the halloween pvp minigames get a choice of halloween reward, tradable because it’s limited to a certain number of winners

4. instead of a slot machine chest for killing champions in the Mad King’s Labyrinth, add some fun to it by turning it into an event chain where you maybe have to collect items for the Mad King’s villagers ghosts or whatever, with set halloween related rewards

Really anything would be better than just dumb luck. If you need some ideas just look at Rift, every event they had was more or less an amazing success in every aspect. Occasionally they ran into unforeseen problems(especially with the 1.1 event) but they learned from it and never made those mistakes again.

That is problem why ppl are pissed on Anet . They dont give a …… about effort, they make everything RNG.

Well you still have more chances of getting good loot if you are able to run it more times. Your probability goes up.

Typical case of people forgetting a game is about fun. And what do you care anyway if 2 rares dropped for me and nothing dropped for you?

Agenteusa.6380:

That is problem why ppl are pissed on Anet . They dont give a …… about effort, they make everything RNG.

Well you still have more chances of getting good loot if you are able to run it more times. Your probability goes up.
kitten right it’s RNG, in case you haven’t noticed not everyone has 8+ hours of free time to dump into a game.

Typical case of people forgetting a game is about fun. And what do you care anyway if 2 rares dropped for me and nothing dropped for you?

I care because I want to have nice memories to go with participating in this event.
When I look at what I’m taking away from this event, there’s just a lot of recipes, and consumable tonics, a loooot of stacks of candy corn, and of course a lot of money . The money making aspect event in Guild Wars, but money isn’t everything. All those cooool skins they made are just being used as another way for people to make money, but they could have been a lot more. What sentimental value can I attach to this halloween when there’s just a bunch of recipes and money to show for it, having the halloween rewards be a reward for actually participating in halloween instead of just being something you bought off the trading post would have made the whole event a lot more enjoyable, because in the end what you take away from it is what you remember the most.

As I post this I get another ingame mail offering thousands of gold for about a days wage. And I’m reminded again who the really benefits from events like this.

Of course a game should be about fun, but then you share all GW2 player about one player type. Unfortunately they´re many more player type’s out there. So the real challenge is to balance the game so everything can have what he decided is Fun for him.

Well I personally like the RNG, even in dungeons cause that feeling of “what is going to drop for me?” has gone since they invented tokens.

I understand you will get your gear faster or your skins or whatever you want from a dungeon/event but the point is it breaks that feeling of excitement when you run a dungeon/event.

For instance I opened 4 bags (and I don´t give a crap about collectibles or skins) and I got the halloween shield skin which I sold immediately. thousands of folks have been trying to get that skin and they didn’t get it yet.

That’s the beauty of RNG. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. But I’m pretty sure that’s what makes you keep going.

Are people really complaining? I’ve ran it roughly 10 times (give or take) and I got a bunch of Halloween crafting mats, a dye pack, and a stack of Black Lion Salvage Kits. Absolutely no complaints here. Would I like an exotic or two? Yes, so I’ll run the instance a few more times. I just wished they had released it earlier because I would like another weekend to run it, but that’s not really a complaint about the loot tables.

Ran this over 20 times…..wearing 15-20% MF boosters…..found a crapload of green useless armors I just sold, many halloween crafting stuff….and other white garbage. Nothing good at all. I enjoy the instance, but it’s VERY disheartening when everyone you do the instance with is showing off their exotics, and you never get one.

The only exotic I’ve gotten from Halloween are the mad king slippers…..

Cross posting this from another thread, for those wondering why this is such a bad implementation of rewards in this game.

Random drops are a part of the the MMORPG genre, but this is a really horrible way to implement them. There is no skill or effort involved with the event, it’s just pressing a button and waiting 20 minutes to for something to pop out, then pressing the button again.

The long term goals are there to give you something exciting to look forward to, to work towards, and to make it fun. So alright, most of these goals are tied into making money right? Now look at how you make money.

• You can play 500 hours and save up every scrap of gold while barely getting by
• You can mess with the trading post, make some spreadsheets, analyze the market
• You can buy gems
• You can spend 10 minutes killing a boss and get a drop worth hundreds of gold

I personally chose the 2nd option because the first isn’t worth it, the 3rd doesn’t make you feel like you earned it, and the last is just dumb luck which I never had.

The whole idea is that working for hundreds of hours is just pointless when you can make much more than that just by just getting lucky or staring at spreadsheets all day.

Personally I would rather reach long term goals by actually playing the game, and doing things that are fun. Instead our options are to be poor or to participate in anti-fun.

Same goes on a smaller scale with these events. Having rewards to work towards would be extremely fun. Just having it be a random drop for just pushing a button or buying it off the trading post is anti-fun.

Makes me feel like the reward system in this game is straight out of a nexon game, and it has tainted an otherwise amazing game.

I don’t know about you guys, but I was thrilled at the 10 slot bag. >_> I’ve been 80 for a month and am still running around with 8 slot bags.

Yes, I know I suck. >_>

Cerise.9045:

Cross posting this from another thread, for those wondering why this is such a bad implementation of rewards in this game.

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I’ll explain why stuff like this is a problem.

Once you’ve done everything in GW2 you need to set your own goals to keep enjoying the game. ANet knows this because in GW1 after people were done with the story in 30 hours they kept playing because these people set their own goals after that.

So what are the goals you can set in GW2 to keep playing more than 50 hours after beating the story and exploring everything? Since in this game it all boils down to getting cooler things to bling out your character with, and the most efficient way by far in this game to get anything cool is off the trading post, every long term goal involves making more money. There are also dungeons but you can get a full dungeon set in 2-3 weeks so that’s not really long term.

The problem here though, getting all these cool stuff(and in turn getting money) is completely based on pure blind luck

You can break it down really simply

• Completing your long term goals using effort, skill and persistence = fun
• Completing your long term goals as a result of pure and blind dumb luck = anti-fun

Basically what this means is that ANet tainted to long term entertainment value of the game by overloading it with anti-fun.

The long term goals are there to give you something exciting to look forward to, to work towards, and to make it fun. So alright, most of these goals are tied into making money right? Now look at how you make money.

• You can play 500 hours and save up every scrap of gold while barely getting by
• You can mess with the trading post, make some spreadsheets, analyze the market
• You can buy gems
• You can spend 10 minutes killing a boss and get a drop worth hundreds of gold

I personally chose the 2nd option because the first isn’t worth it, the 3rd doesn’t make you feel like you earned it, and the last is just dumb luck which I never had.

The whole idea is that working for hundreds of hours is just pointless when you can make much more than that just by just getting lucky or staring at spreadsheets all day.

Personally I would rather reach long term goals by actually playing the game, and doing things that are fun. Instead our options are to be poor or to participate in anti-fun.

Same goes on a smaller scale with these events. Having rewards to work towards would be extremely fun. Just having it be a random drop for just pushing a button or buying it off the trading post is anti-fun.

Well said – that’s exactly what I have been feeling for past two months playing this game.

Dungin.2983

To play devils advocate, what game had an event where you could get an item from it worth the equivilant of 30 GW2 gold? Most of WoWs stuff was garbage….so garbage rewards for all? Or make it so common its 6 silver on the TP?

You left out a third option, make that 30 GW2 Gold item ACCOUNT BOUND, reducing its value on the TP to 0…then it really doesn’t matter how many there are.

It seems Anet forgets the TP is more a form of metagaming (Game within a game), rather than the purpose of the game itself and everything gets warped around the desires of the mini-moguls to make money on the holy TP…so Anet trots out the RNG and sets the chances microscopically low, turning it into a random chance crapshoot. Fun for the mini-moguls, and those with free time to run the event dozens of times….not so fun for those that want a souvenier they can use, not sell.

Anet needs to stop creating artificial scarcity of event items just to please the people who want to profit off the event. I’d just like a reward commensurate with the effort, that I could use on one of my characters. I am not looking to corner the TP*, so doesn’t matter to me if its 30GP, 6SP or 0 (Account bound).
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• I do not even USE the TP, other than for puchases. If I find something decent I cannot use, I check my alts, then I give it to friends who can use it and they do the same (I got my exotic rifle that way).