Guild Wars 2

I mean… Actually almost 70% of jumping Puzzles can be “Skipped” trough a mesmers portal (What is ridiculous, even for who actually do it).

Jumping puzzles are some sort of personal glorification for do something hard and worth of skill. But have a couple of guys that do it only for the chest, so they just skip the hard part, get ahievment and loot.

I know that personnal portal had been maked with the best of intentions, and that is almost impossible to change the mind of ignorant people that cheat content for their own profit, by lazy ways.

But now it’ll be increasead even more. Have any plans to “Block” portals in Jumping puzzles area or something?

I know some people will say “A don’t want do do it, i don’t like JP”. The awnser is easy, don’t do it. You don’t deserve a reward that you don’t prove your skill to do.

So I fully understand how mesmer portals can be used to kitten jumping puzzles.

However, I have no idea how a single use, yourself only, portal is anywhere near the same.
Okay, you get a one shot “recover from fall”… which we’ve been told will make use of some moderately rare materials to craft.

Doesn’t feel OP at all.

I highly doubt that the “personal portal” is going to be ground-targeted spell. Instead it’ll probably be just like a Mesmer’s portal and make it point-blank location drop. This means that a person must be standing where the entrance is to be created, and then stand where the exit is to be created.

Mesmer portals used to skip jumping puzzles requires that the Mesmer actually complete said jumping puzzle to a point to drop a portal connection for someone to enter. What I find about this that really irks me is that basically it means the Mesmer does all the work while the other players take all the credit and reward.

I’ve seen players get DUSK from the EB jumping puzzle chest after being ported up by a Mesmer. Think that they’d share that reward they would otherwise not have gotten without the Mesmer’s help? Kitten no!

And on that note, …it’s basically welfare for those who are unskilled and cannot do the content themselves. Just as those who can’t get 1st place in Sanctum Sprint beg over and over again for someone to give it to them because they “don’t have the achievement.” Well, if you can’t achieve it, then you don’t deserve it! Simple!

Siphaed.9235:

I highly doubt that the “personal portal” is going to be ground-targeted spell. Instead it’ll probably be just like a Mesmer’s portal and make it point-blank location drop. This means that a person must be standing where the entrance is to be created, and then stand where the exit is to be created.

Mesmer portals used to skip jumping puzzles requires that the Mesmer actually complete said jumping puzzle to a point to drop a portal connection for someone to enter. What I find about this that really irks me is that basically it means the Mesmer does all the work while the other players take all the credit and reward.

I’ve seen players get DUSK from the EB jumping puzzle chest after being ported up by a Mesmer. Think that they’d share that reward they would otherwise not have gotten without the Mesmer’s help? Kitten no!

And on that note, …it’s basically welfare for those who are unskilled and cannot do the content themselves. Just as those who can’t get 1st place in Sanctum Sprint beg over and over again for someone to give it to them because they “don’t have the achievement.” Well, if you can’t achieve it, then you don’t deserve it! Simple!

There is a lot wrong with your statement.

A mesmer doesnt NEED to portal anyone, instead they offer to do so for either monetary gain (asking for tips) or because they are kind and want to help the community. They fully accept that other players will get rewards and they should be aware of the rewards the players they are helping are capable of receiving. A player receiving a great reward should not feel obligated at all to share any of their reward.

And your point on Spirit Sanctum, a lot of people complained that there was an achievement for winning a race when the race was riddled with lag, rubber banding and terrible mechanics which made it near impossible to catch the leader if he didnt fall off. Granted, I got wins, but a perfectly capable racer certainly could have deserved the achievement and title, but because of poor coding and network conditions could not do so. And Anet clearly agrees that wins should not be required as the new mini games require you merely play the game rather then win the game.

I’ll fill some examples to show how mesmer portals trick Puzzles:

1)Southsun cove: Its tied in 3 parts : Skipping stones phase 1, Skipping stones Phase 2, Mountain Ride.
But then.. One mesmer goes to the very end (Where Chest stand) and simples camp there and go play with it alt screaming at chat channel : Porting JP for tips, TIPS VERY APRECIATED.
Theres goes, a massive ammount of people cheating SS JP with mesmers portals.

2) AetherBlade JP : This one have at least 5 parts of content, its hard and really a prove of skill. But then, (AGAIN) a mesmer camp in top of the metal plate at start of the 5th phase of the JP, screaming at chat : PORTING IN 20 SEC’s, Gather at water pool.
There it goes. A massive ammount of people getting achievment, chest, exotics shoulders doing 1/5 of the total JP.

3) LA Jumping Puzzles : Incridyble fun JP, (Especially the Troll’s end and the Pirate JP ). But then, all days that have “JP daily” on, you see shouts at Map-channel : PORTING TO PIRATE JP, Gather at beach near the bonfire!. Or even, PORTING AT TROLL’s END, Gather at chest point.
And there it goes, 2 of the 3 JP of Lions arch messed for lazy people.

And have a lot more. The recent JP for living story achievment proved it. 80% of jumping puzzles had been glitched with mesmer campers.

Its A massive glitch comunnity.

As I said before, i can’t change the mind of a community that actually play the game only to find glitchs, and don’t like to really only play for prove their skills.

But I want to know if have at least one plan to stop possiblity of glitch various old aspects of the game, and not Suport it.

It’s not a glitch, it’s a portal doing what portals do. Same reason you sweep for hidden mesmers when you take a fort in WvW.

Siphaed.9235:

I’ve seen players get DUSK from the EB jumping puzzle chest after being ported up by a Mesmer. Think that they’d share that reward they would otherwise not have gotten without the Mesmer’s help? Kitten no!

lol. I’d no more expect a share in dusk for taking a few seconds to drop a portal on my way out of a puzzle than I would expect a share in lottery winnings for dropping someone off at a store when I went shopping, where they subsequently bought the ticket.

Siphaed.9235:

And on that note, …it’s basically welfare for those who are unskilled and cannot do the content themselves. Just as those who can’t get 1st place in Sanctum Sprint beg over and over again for someone to give it to them because they “don’t have the achievement.” Well, if you can’t achieve it, then you don’t deserve it! Simple!

There are puzzles in this game that I simply cannot stand on some characters. Unable to see anything but the back of my head, unable to see what I’m jumping to because the character obscures it, no orientation to my surroundings at all because my view is bouncing off walls like a rubber ball fired out of a cannon…

…and so, I made a human mesmer and finished the ones that annoyed me easily. Using skills like ‘sight’ and ‘has four fingers and a thumb on each hand’. The epitome of difficulty it was. I’m lucky I survived really.

MauricioCezar.2673:

I’ll fill some examples to show how mesmer portals trick Puzzles:

1)Southsun cove: Its tied in 3 parts : Skipping stones phase 1, Skipping stones Phase 2, Mountain Ride.
But then.. One mesmer goes to the very end (Where Chest stand) and simples camp there and go play with it alt screaming at chat channel : Porting JP for tips, TIPS VERY APRECIATED.
Theres goes, a massive ammount of people cheating SS JP with mesmers portals.

2) AetherBlade JP : This one have at least 5 parts of content, its hard and really a prove of skill. But then, (AGAIN) a mesmer camp in top of the metal plate at start of the 5th phase of the JP, screaming at chat : PORTING IN 20 SEC’s, Gather at water pool.
There it goes. A massive ammount of people getting achievment, chest, exotics shoulders doing 1/5 of the total JP.

3) LA Jumping Puzzles : Incridyble fun JP, (Especially the Troll’s end and the Pirate JP ). But then, all days that have “JP daily” on, you see shouts at Map-channel : PORTING TO PIRATE JP, Gather at beach near the bonfire!. Or even, PORTING AT TROLL’s END, Gather at chest point.
And there it goes, 2 of the 3 JP of Lions arch messed for lazy people.

And have a lot more. The recent JP for living story achievment proved it. 80% of jumping puzzles had been glitched with mesmer campers.

Its A massive glitch comunnity.

In all of this, how does this at all effect your rewards and your game play… Wait, is that a ‘it doesnt’?

I would love for future jumping puzzles to require use of certain skills. For example, entering the jump puzzle would require a transformation that gives you certain movement skills (such as the Zephyr Sanctum aspects or guild rush spider’s Leap) in place of your regular skills.

EnemyCrusher.7324:

I would love for future jumping puzzles to require use of certain skills. For example, entering the jump puzzle would require a transformation that gives you certain movement skills (such as the Zephyr Sanctum aspects or guild rush spider’s Leap) in place of your regular skills.

What your looking for is guild rush.

@OP

So, ANet gives everyone portals and you still think using them is “cheating”?

There has never been a clearer message that portals in jumping puzzles are working as intended—get over it.

@LameFox : WxW its a strategy game Players Vs Players. I agreee with strategys using Skills. Its different..

@Parisalchuk : You work a lot in one month, to gain your payment, because you deserve it don’t you? but well.. some thiefs get easy money all around the world easily, and really it doesn’t effect you affect? But just because it, you think that thiefs are in their right and don’t need to be done nothing about it?

@Weirwynn : This is exactly what I want to know.. Well, don’t really affect “Me” exactly, but I want to know if Dev’s actually aprove (And by the way) Suport skipping jumping puzzles actually.

If so, Why don’t simple Mail free itens to all players? its more easy, and lesser frustrating for players that like to worth their skill…

MauricioCezar.2673:

@Parisalchuk : You work a lot in one month, to gain your payment, because you deserve it don’t you? but well.. some thiefs get easy money all around the world easily, and really it doesn’t effect you affect? But just because it, you think that thiefs are in their right and don’t need to be done nothing about it?

Yes, I work 40+ hours a week and make my salary. But at the same time some high level exec is making 5 times the salary playing golf right now and he makes that money due to my work. Welcome to the real world. Atleast here someone has to be willing to help ferry them to the end. If I dont want to work, Ill just lose my job.

MauricioCezar.2673:

If so, Why don’t simple Mail free itens to all players? its more easy, and lesser frustrating for players that like to worth their skill…

The flood filter would stop them, of course.

Or because while you’re running around to all those different puzzles to get a collection of lovely blue items, you’re probably not generating much else, and since they’re also capped per-day it won’t hurt the economy. So if you like puzzles, you can waste time bouncing around without the knowledge in the back of your mind that you’ll come out of this completely emptyhanded. Just… mostly. And if you don’t like puzzles but really want a mediocre chance at getting something valuable you can wait around for someone else to bounce up there and drop a portal, and still not bother the market because the rewards are capped anyway.

As I said in before, at least for me JP are a prove worth of skill (since the loot its almost trash), so the achievment its some sort of PERSONAL glorification.

Well, I never said nothing about economy, its not this the point. To be really true, personally I’m not upset because this, but its very curious if Anet actually aprove and already suport this sort of action.

I my owns opinions, I really think that you should not receive ANY reward you don’t deserve.

I continue hoping for some rational awnser of dev’s, not skipers trying to make me shut up.

MauricioCezar.2673:

As I said in before, at least for me JP are a prove worth of skill (since the loot its almost trash), so the achievment its some sort of PERSONAL glorification.

Well, I never said nothing about economy, its not this the point. To be really true, personally I’m not upset because this, but its very curious if Anet actually aprove and already suport this sort of action.

I my owns opinions, I really think that you should not receive ANY reward you don’t deserve.

I continue hoping for some rational awnser of dev’s, not skipers trying to make me shut up.

Thanks for grouping me in a category… I am a warrior in PvE and I have completed every jump puzzle. Do you really thing there are mesmers waiting at every puzzle?

You know how you got your achievements, why do you care how others got theirs as long as they arent cheating… and lets be real here, using a mesmer portal is not cheating. And I dont think its down to us to judge who deserves and doesnt deserve rewards… thats up to the RNG gods.

Who cares how other players do their jumping puzzles. It in no way effects you.

MauricioCezar.2673:

I’ll fill some examples to show how mesmer portals trick Puzzles:

1)Southsun cove: Its tied in 3 parts : Skipping stones phase 1, Skipping stones Phase 2, Mountain Ride.
But then.. One mesmer goes to the very end (Where Chest stand) and simples camp there and go play with it alt screaming at chat channel : Porting JP for tips, TIPS VERY APRECIATED.
Theres goes, a massive ammount of people cheating SS JP with mesmers portals.

2) AetherBlade JP : This one have at least 5 parts of content, its hard and really a prove of skill. But then, (AGAIN) a mesmer camp in top of the metal plate at start of the 5th phase of the JP, screaming at chat : PORTING IN 20 SEC’s, Gather at water pool.
There it goes. A massive ammount of people getting achievment, chest, exotics shoulders doing 1/5 of the total JP.

3) LA Jumping Puzzles : Incridyble fun JP, (Especially the Troll’s end and the Pirate JP ). But then, all days that have “JP daily” on, you see shouts at Map-channel : PORTING TO PIRATE JP, Gather at beach near the bonfire!. Or even, PORTING AT TROLL’s END, Gather at chest point.
And there it goes, 2 of the 3 JP of Lions arch messed for lazy people.

And have a lot more. The recent JP for living story achievment proved it. 80% of jumping puzzles had been glitched with mesmer campers.

Its A massive glitch comunnity.

In what way is this actually interfering with your own personal ability to enjoy the game? Do you feel your own accomplishments are undermined because other people can skip the content? Do you hold no innate satisfaction over the fact that you completed it the legit way? Are you just really bitter about other people finding other ways to do things and you feel that you need this illusion of “skill” to elevate yourself above others?

I don’t understand how this in any way, shape, or form affects you, but you seem really cross about people having their own way to have fun. Some people aren’t in it for the skill challenges, they’re in it just to hoard. That’s gravy by me. I complete all of my JPs myself, but I’m not about to begrudge someone that wants to skip on through.

I’ve sayed a example of why even this don’t affecting me, isn’t of “not-importance”. Read it.

I’ve not included you in Parisalchuck, I’m only saying that don’t bother me people trying to makes me shut up. In my very opinion, those guys that don’t deserve, don’t should get any rewards. Its exact as being a thief.

But as we don’t have any clarification about the thread, I want to know if Anet suport it or consider it a cheat.

Then, I can simply report those guys doing this, all the times i see it. (If it considered against the rules).

MauricioCezar.2673:

I’ve sayed a example of why even this don’t affecting me, isn’t of “not-importance”. Read it.

I’ve not included you in Parisalchuck, I’m only saying that don’t bother me people trying to makes me shut up. In my very opinion, those guys that don’t deserve, don’t should get any rewards. Its exact as being a thief.

But as we don’t have any clarification about the thread, I want to know if Anet suport it or consider it a cheat.

Then, I can simply report those guys doing this, all the times i see it. (If it considered against the rules).

People have been doing this very publicly since day 1. Anet has now introduced consumable items that allow any class, not just mesmers, to offer a port. How could you POSSIBLY think this is something that Anet thinks is against the rules?

And your thief example is a false equivalency. The thief is wrong, not because he gets things “for free,” but because he deprives someone else of them. If people are ported to the end of a JP, no one loses out. There aren’t a finite amount of rewards in those chests, or limits on who can get the achievement.

Give it up OP, I tried the same argument a while back. What you are going to get is all of the vicious mesmers in the game coming here and attacking you for daring to call their portals into question, and they will be backed up by all of the people who are to lazy to do the jumping puzzle themselves and just want the goodies for free. Unfortunately, that is the greater part of the forum dwellers, if not the gamers.

I am a mesmer, and yes I am against portal blocking because I like helping community, and I dont ask for tips, there are just some kind people who actually tip, or at least say Thanks before leaving. Yes, there are those lazy as*holes who dont even thank you. Also Portal is a great way to secure your jump. There is also one “JP” its mainly a puzzle where you need to Glitch out asuran portal stuff, you need to set coordinates to certain numbers, if you’re lucky those coordinates are already on, My friend got lucky and I didnt, We are both mesmers. Did it count unfair that he ported me? NO! because we did all the stuff together, he just got lucky.

The new protal is a consumable and is probably very expensive. I doubt people will really use it depend on how expensive it is.

The rewards for completing jumping puzzles are almost non-existent. I don’t see why porting people should be of much concern to anyone.

The use that I can see for this new device is that a necromancer would be able to portal people up to stupidly high places, since a necromancer can use F1 before hitting the ground and avoid the fall damage. That will be specially useful for the diving googles at the Aetherblade JP.

About “cheating”, I don’t know about you guys, but I think that adding a Portal Gun to the game and the fact that it cannot be used in WvW can only mean that that’s what ANet want us to use it for (for JPs, not WvW, I mean).

Just remember: Don’t touch the operational end of the device. Don’t look directly at the operational end of the device. Don’t submerge the device in liquid, even partially. Most importantly, in under no circumstances should you—BZZT.

For one, the recipe is a chance drop. Secondly, the costs to craft them will be costly.
I don’t think this’ll be such a big game changer tbh…

I’ll gladly accept portal blocking when we stop dying in JP or they introduce checkpoints (not once every step, but once in a while would be nice).

Using portals to get to the end of JP’s is not an exploit. When the Aetherblade JP was released, there was a DEV in there porting people up to the end. That’s a pretty clear indication that they do not object to people using Portals to skip to the end of JP’s.

As to Personal portals making it easier to skip JP’s? I don’t think it will change the situation at all. Firstly, the devs have already hinted that the Personal Portal will be very expensive to make, and it’s one-use only. Secondly, if it works like the Mesmer Portal Entre, the person using the portal STILL has to get to the end of the JP normally before they can use their device and port people up. Why would they waste that kind of money unless they were asking for payment upfront? (And I bet that people who DO charge for their portals are going to get flamed and accused of being “greedy” and what-not. It won’t be worth the hassle.) And since the device only works once, you can bet they’re going to try and get as many people paying before they use it, during which time a lot of players will get fed up of waiting and change their minds or just do the JP themselves.

But wait. If this is a “personal portal”, wouldn’t that mean you’d have to jump yourself to the end of a JP in order to use this portal… to port yourself back up?

little side question here, did anet state whether this personal portal is just for yourself, or everyone can access it too? for some reason i dont think ive read which it is, but i assume itll mimic the mesmer portal

for the OP: yes anet allows it, yes they dont care, yes they do it themselves

Do the puzzles for yourself, brag to others that uve done it legit, and let the rest be, not much else you can do.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

The portal is a one-time use consumable that effectively allows you to use a skill that is similar to the mesmer’s portal. We recognize that it’s a very powerful item, so the recipe is quite rare and takes considerable resources to manufacture.

Based on this, i think you can use personal portal is port other people than yourself. It should work just like Mesmer’s Portal skill.

Siphaed.9235:

(…)Just as those who can’t get 1st place in Sanctum Sprint beg over and over again for someone to give it to them because they “don’t have the achievement.” Well, if you can’t achieve it, then you don’t deserve it! Simple!

Like that time I was first on the last bit, you know the half a circle before the finish line?
So there I was first with a guy 3 or 4 steps behind, I was gonna win when suddenly I see the guy throwing himself against the rocks, that was weird and suddenly I realised I was second…

Turns out the guy exploited the layout and crossed the finish line the wrong way around to steal my victory.

I called him on it and the guy was really surprised playing dumb and not understanding why was it such a big deal.
You’ll hardly see me rage but if I could get my hands on him then there would have been blood.

And that reminds me, I tried to report him and none of the options seemed appropriate, how can I report an exploiter?

g e o.2589:

I am a mesmer, and yes I am against portal blocking because I like helping community, and I dont ask for tips, there are just some kind people who actually tip, or at least say Thanks before leaving. Yes, there are those lazy as*holes who dont even thank you. Also Portal is a great way to secure your jump. There is also one “JP” its mainly a puzzle where you need to Glitch out asuran portal stuff, you need to set coordinates to certain numbers, if you’re lucky those coordinates are already on, My friend got lucky and I didnt, We are both mesmers. Did it count unfair that he ported me? NO! because we did all the stuff together, he just got lucky.

Heh. The amusing thing here is that the puzzle you’re talking about allows him to send (and you then receive, via accessing the terminal) the correct co-ordinates. So actually he gave you a portal to a puzzle with the inbuilt feature to portal people to the end.

I’d like to point you all to my suggestion about adding a more challenging (optional) mode to all jumping puzzles:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Time-Attack-Modes-for-Jumping-Puzzles/first#post2539342

This would give the lazy people still their chance of skipping the puzzle with a mesmer portal, while giving the hardcore people something to brag about when they choose a gambit instead of a handicap. Everybody wins.

yesterday in my guild a women complained why nobody wanted to help her get the lvl 4 gnashblade/kiel achievement. she felt betrayed because she really deserves the achievement as she’s such a great player, but she can’t get it herself (her character/ego being one of the more extreme cases, it’s a good reflection of what a lot of players seem to think of themselves).

some people think they are deserving of an achievement even if they can’t get it themselves. it doesn’t matter how clearly ANet says some achievements are for the dedicated players and not for the general crowd. it took me several tries to get t4 on both minigames, I hated it (especially after not getting the achievement the first time I made it) but I did it. I don’t want players I know to be really bad (one dungeon run, never ever again bad) to get the achievements for free I worked so hard for. it really diminishes the worth of achievement if every 1-spamming noob can get them.

jumping puzzles are the same. I’ve finished every single one a few times without help but that doesn’t mean I won’t use a portal now to speed it up. a few I always run myself because they’re just fun.

my conlusion:
achievements should only be granted if one achieves the feat behind them. chests etc should be lootable even when using a portal or whatever.
achievements are NOT for people who can not achieve them – that would defeat the purpose.
also: I want more jumping-related titles!

Thanx Oranisagu, its almost this my way of think.

Well, its very cool exploiters come here and say > ANET Don’t care, Shut up. Have a dev porting.

No, probably had not been a dev, and yes a staff tester with a cool icon of Anet in its name, I’ve knew a lot of those. They don’t necessary represent the Dev’s itself only because are dressing a icon of A-net.

Also, if this should not me considered an exploit, so… why remove dungeons exploits? It’s exactly the same cases.

So, they don’t had need to bother removing the mossman eploit, the cliffside exploit, the Cof P2 exploit, the Asuran steam golem exploit (Yes, its hard don’t know those exploits when almost half of players do it, and in most cases you need to do it for your party).

So… I should only ignore those rules agains exploits. It’ll be useless if A-net should suport exploits of any sort.

MauricioCezar.2673:

Also, if this should not me considered an exploit, so… why remove dungeons exploits? It’s exactly the same cases.

So, they don’t had need to bother removing the mossman eploit, the cliffside exploit, the Cof P2 exploit, the Asuran steam golem exploit (Yes, its hard don’t know those exploits when almost half of players do it, and in most cases you need to do it for your party).

Because when you don’t want to exploit in a dungeon, your only option is to leave. When I was doing the Not So Secret JP, I hoped everyone would take the portals so I would finally have a clear view.

Normal jumping puzzles: Everyone should try to do them legit the first time, but after that I don’t see why not use a portal. If you are looking to progress financially, the chest certainly isn’t worth your time going through the entire puzzle again.

If you aren’t doing it for the reward, then you could just ignore the portal if there is one.

WvW jumping puzzles: Mesmers aren’t there to prevent you from doing a challenging puzzle. Mesmers are there to prevent you from getting killed by your enemies. They are doing a great and often necessary service to their server.

I don’t think a single person in this entire thread has merit to tell other people how to play the game.

Parisalchuk.9230:

EnemyCrusher.7324:

I would love for future jumping puzzles to require use of certain skills. For example, entering the jump puzzle would require a transformation that gives you certain movement skills (such as the Zephyr Sanctum aspects or guild rush spider’s Leap) in place of your regular skills.

What your looking for is guild rush.

Sort of, but without other players who aren’t transformed, and focused on the individual rather than teamwork. Guild rushes would also be possible to portal through if it weren’t for all of the required checkpoints.

EnemyCrusher.7324:

Parisalchuk.9230:

EnemyCrusher.7324:

I would love for future jumping puzzles to require use of certain skills. For example, entering the jump puzzle would require a transformation that gives you certain movement skills (such as the Zephyr Sanctum aspects or guild rush spider’s Leap) in place of your regular skills.

What your looking for is guild rush.

Sort of, but without other players who aren’t transformed, and focused on the individual rather than teamwork. Guild rushes would also be possible to portal through if it weren’t for all of the required checkpoints.

Yea… and a class would be able to 1 hit enemies… if it werent for all that HP they have… I dont get your point there.

MauricioCezar.2673:

I’ve sayed a example of why even this don’t affecting me, isn’t of “not-importance”. Read it.

I’ve not included you in Parisalchuck, I’m only saying that don’t bother me people trying to makes me shut up. In my very opinion, those guys that don’t deserve, don’t should get any rewards. Its exact as being a thief.

But as we don’t have any clarification about the thread, I want to know if Anet suport it or consider it a cheat.

Then, I can simply report those guys doing this, all the times i see it. (If it considered against the rules).

Really? These people are thieves? These people are just as much thieves as people are that get food from a food bank. They are not paying for the “reward” but other people are offering it to them. I see no point in people fighting over this because it is people helping others and it doesn’t effect you. I mean what is the reward from a jumping puzzle, a few blues maybe a green or a rare also 10 achievement points. Or 20 if it is the first time the person did it and it is part of the living story. If that really hurts you than you might want to think about how you view games.