Guild Wars 2

You just made Dead Eye unfarmable with the new build 10 minutes ago…

Why isn’t this in the patch notes?

My client still crashes once a day, fyi.

They are hoping that no one notices? Also they didn’t make him unfarmable.

They merely added RNG into his rotations , you have no time to breathe once you enter the map with him , he opens with a kill shot or volley , you pull him he opens with another kill shot , then ports away then more kill shots into aimed shots and vollies

He is a tidbit tougher to farm now , some more than others and even impossible NOW for others.

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

They merely added RNG into his rotations

Reflect now only does ~1% of the original damage as well.

Yrdur.1752:

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

They merely added RNG into his rotations

Reflect now only does ~1% of the original damage as well.

Yeah sorry forgot to mention that also , i wakittentin him 25-32 dmg and bursted out in laughter when i seen it…that was surprisingly funny of anet to do

Yeah, the reflect change is BS. But as far as I know, his teleports were always random.

Not telling is the same as lying.

If they nerf him, fine, BUT TELL THE TRUTH IN THE PATCH NOTES.

TELL THE TRUTH WHEN YOU DO THINGS LIKE THIS!!

And yes @TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586 he is now unfarmable for me. First time I actually found a decent way to make decent money and it gets nerfed in less than a day from when I found out about it…

We can’t design encounters properly so let’s warp all the rules of the game to prevent people from winning.

Want to fix the gauntlet? Just make every fight Liadri. That ought to make nobody ever want to touch it again.

Yes yes, ANet took your toy away and didn’t send you a personalized letter to let you know. Do make sure you let everyone know how outraged you are.

Bovinity.8610:

Yes yes, ANet took your toy away and didn’t send you a personalized letter to let you know. Do make sure you let everyone know how outraged you are.

Patch notes are there to tell us what changed in a patch. They lied.

Simple principle to understand. No need to be so disgustingly bitter.

careful guys i just got 2 infractions and my posts deleted for calling them dishonest

Patch notes are there to tell us what changed in a patch. They lied.

Simple principle to understand. No need to be so disgustingly bitter.

Maybe ANet just wanted to imagine the looks on everyone’s faces the first time they went back to their Dunwell-Farm and got gibbed.

Bovinity.8610:

Patch notes are there to tell us what changed in a patch. They lied.

Simple principle to understand. No need to be so disgustingly bitter.

Maybe ANet just wanted to imagine the looks on everyone’s faces the first time they went back to their Dunwell-Farm and got gibbed.

Well they failed miserably at that. Still happily farming with 4 gambits. They have no idea what they’re doing.

Well they failed miserably at that. Still happily farming with 4 gambits. They have no idea what they’re doing.

Well, no fun for them!

Bovinity.8610:

Maybe ANet just wanted to imagine the looks on everyone’s faces the first time they went back to their Dunwell-Farm and got gibbed.

I doubt many were surprised. Pretty much everyone was calling it in chat before the patch went in. This has become sort of a tradition by now.

Bovinity.8610:

Yes yes, ANet took your toy away and didn’t send you a personalized letter to let you know. Do make sure you let everyone know how outraged you are.

Well you know more than we do it seems. Why wasn’t it in the patch notes? Or do you only defend them and not actually work for them?

Bovinity.8610:

Patch notes are there to tell us what changed in a patch. They lied.

Simple principle to understand. No need to be so disgustingly bitter.

Maybe ANet just wanted to imagine the looks on everyone’s faces the first time they went back to their Dunwell-Farm and got gibbed.

This is the reaction ANet wanted. Well played..

XGhoul.7426:

Bovinity.8610:

Patch notes are there to tell us what changed in a patch. They lied.

Simple principle to understand. No need to be so disgustingly bitter.

Maybe ANet just wanted to imagine the looks on everyone’s faces the first time they went back to their Dunwell-Farm and got gibbed.

This is the reaction ANet wanted. Well played..

Esp for somone like me who bought 1250 tickets , i converted 600 b4 (1 hour) the shocking patch (NOT shocking actually)

first world problems. lol. so much QQ over these things. I have to admit that I did laugh a little over the lack of information on the patch notes, but it’s crazy how so many people seem outraged (and there are… easy to find them when you look around the forums and reddit).

When it comes down to it, it’s a game with rules that they set. Regardless of how they want to change these rules, it’s always a choice for us to play (and or find ways around).

Take a deep breath. Log off for a few and relax. Go find something else to do. Find something to enjoy (in game or out)

Crap. Deadeye was probably my best (maybe even only shot) at getting the gambit achievements. Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy. Thanks for ruining things for those who haven’t gotten that far yet farmers!

Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy.

This is actually a really valid complaint. Thus far, it has been a very common, recurring theme with ANet that content gets released with – apparently – little to no testing, and then fixed afterwards.

Bovinity.8610:

Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy.

This is actually a really valid complaint. Thus far, it has been a very common, recurring theme with ANet that content gets released with – apparently – little to no testing, and then fixed afterwards.

I gotta agree to this. It’s not like these methods were hard to find. Some simple QA and there wouldn’t have been an issue to begin with.

Manoa.5897:

Crap. Deadeye was probably my best (maybe even only shot) at getting the gambit achievements. Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy. Thanks for ruining things for those who haven’t gotten that far yet farmers!

except this wasn’t an exploit, there were no rules being broken.

Xodus.7802:

careful guys i just got 2 infractions and my posts deleted for calling them dishonest

not telling is the same as lying, and it is the truth, i guess they don’t like the truth and truthfull patch notes….

Anet, I am disappoint -_-

Bovinity.8610:

Yes yes, ANet took your toy away and didn’t send you a personalized letter to let you know. Do make sure you let everyone know how outraged you are.

Why do you hate children? This has nothing to do with toys or children, it’s about the patch notes. They let out important information, that’s supposed to be there and that’s the same as lying.

A Massive Headache.1879:

except this wasn’t an exploit, there were no rules being broken.

While not an exploit in that sense people did exploit the fight for easy gains.

And then some of those people asked for the fight to get nerfed once they were satisfied with how much dosh they had made. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an MMO community as messed up as this one to be honest. The gold obsession is just ridiculous.

Auesis.7301:

Bovinity.8610:

Patch notes are there to tell us what changed in a patch. They lied.

Simple principle to understand. No need to be so disgustingly bitter.

Maybe ANet just wanted to imagine the looks on everyone’s faces the first time they went back to their Dunwell-Farm and got gibbed.

Well they failed miserably at that. Still happily farming with 4 gambits. They have no idea what they’re doing.

Well good for you, thief. But I’m a worrior ;_; It’s over for me :’<

Fungalfoot.7213:

A Massive Headache.1879:

except this wasn’t an exploit, there were no rules being broken.

While not an exploit in that sense people did exploit the fight for easy gains.

And then some of those people asked for the fight to get nerfed once they were satisfied with how much dosh they had made. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an MMO community as messed up as this one to be honest. The gold obsession is just ridiculous.

Then I guess you’re not going to be happy that it can still be farmed with ease?

XGhoul.7426:

Bovinity.8610:

Patch notes are there to tell us what changed in a patch. They lied.

Simple principle to understand. No need to be so disgustingly bitter.

Maybe ANet just wanted to imagine the looks on everyone’s faces the first time they went back to their Dunwell-Farm and got gibbed.

This is the reaction ANet wanted. Well played..

lol okay it’s not nice they didn’t tell the truth, but it’s not THAT bad, lmao that picture…lol

A Massive Headache.1879:

Fungalfoot.7213:

A Massive Headache.1879:

except this wasn’t an exploit, there were no rules being broken.

While not an exploit in that sense people did exploit the fight for easy gains.

And then some of those people asked for the fight to get nerfed once they were satisfied with how much dosh they had made. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an MMO community as messed up as this one to be honest. The gold obsession is just ridiculous.

Then I guess you’re not going to be happy that it can still be farmed with ease?

it doesn’t count if only thiefs and mesmers can still do it T_T

A Massive Headache.1879:

Manoa.5897:

Crap. Deadeye was probably my best (maybe even only shot) at getting the gambit achievements. Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy. Thanks for ruining things for those who haven’t gotten that far yet farmers!

except this wasn’t an exploit, there were no rules being broken.

This was certainly an exploit. An exploit is taking advantage of a bug or loophole and playing the game in a way that was not intended by the developers. Obviously, it was never intended for players to be making hundreds of gold by farming Deadeye. This farming very much had the potential to significantly impact our in-game economy. If it wasn’t considered an exploit, Deadeye would never have been changed.

Good rule of thumb when it comes to identifying exploits…if it is too good to be true, it most certainly is.

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

XGhoul.7426:

Bovinity.8610:

Patch notes are there to tell us what changed in a patch. They lied.

Simple principle to understand. No need to be so disgustingly bitter.

Maybe ANet just wanted to imagine the looks on everyone’s faces the first time they went back to their Dunwell-Farm and got gibbed.

This is the reaction ANet wanted. Well played..

Esp for somone like me who bought 1250 tickets , i converted 600 b4 (1 hour) the shocking patch (NOT shocking actually)

Ouch…i bought a stack, used a stack, repeated. I got a stack now, and I haven’t done the two Liadri 20pts chievs so I guess i’ll use em up for those

Manoa.5897:

A Massive Headache.1879:

Manoa.5897:

Crap. Deadeye was probably my best (maybe even only shot) at getting the gambit achievements. Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy. Thanks for ruining things for those who haven’t gotten that far yet farmers!

except this wasn’t an exploit, there were no rules being broken.

This was certainly an exploit. An exploit is taking advantage of a bug or loophole and playing the game in a way that was not intended by the developers. Obviously, it was never intended for players to be making hundreds of gold by farming Deadeye. This farming very much had the potential to significantly impact our in-game economy. If it wasn’t considered an exploit, Deadeye would never have been changed.

Good rule of thumb when it comes to identifying exploits…if it is too good to be true, it most certainly is.

but it wasn’t too good to be true, for every 20 gold you made from opening bags, you had to pay 9 gold to buy more entry tickets…

Manoa.5897:

A Massive Headache.1879:

Manoa.5897:

Crap. Deadeye was probably my best (maybe even only shot) at getting the gambit achievements. Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy. Thanks for ruining things for those who haven’t gotten that far yet farmers!

except this wasn’t an exploit, there were no rules being broken.

This was certainly an exploit. An exploit is taking advantage of a bug or loophole and playing the game in a way that was not intended by the developers. Obviously, it was never intended for players to be making hundreds of gold by farming Deadeye. This farming very much had the potential to significantly impact our in-game economy. If it wasn’t considered an exploit, Deadeye would never have been changed.

Good rule of thumb when it comes to identifying exploits…if it is too good to be true, it most certainly is.

So the cursed shore farms, the other orr area, drakkar waypoint farm were all exploits that no one got in trouble for? And no one got in trouble for those farms, because no rules were broken, they were just taking advantage of events, I disagree and don’t consider it an exploit, especially when it can still be farmed

Edit: and I think there would be a lot of outrage if people were punished for farming, especially when there have been devs who have joined in on some farms and said “well, it’s part of the game, right?”

EDIT – Math was off. Nothing to see here, moving on. >.>

Shpongle.6025:

Well good for you, thief. But I’m a worrior ;_; It’s over for me :’<

You can still do it with On Fire, Exhausted, and Hamstring fairly easily. Sword leap to it and greatsword it.

You can probably also add Crowd Favorite, but I wouldn’t try Frailty since he’ll most likely get 2x rapid fires off and one will likely be from across the room. Traiting for reflective blocks should help if you really wanted 5.

Manoa.5897:

Shpongle.6025:

Manoa.5897:

A Massive Headache.1879:

Manoa.5897:

Crap. Deadeye was probably my best (maybe even only shot) at getting the gambit achievements. Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy. Thanks for ruining things for those who haven’t gotten that far yet farmers!

except this wasn’t an exploit, there were no rules being broken.

This was certainly an exploit. An exploit is taking advantage of a bug or loophole and playing the game in a way that was not intended by the developers. Obviously, it was never intended for players to be making hundreds of gold by farming Deadeye. This farming very much had the potential to significantly impact our in-game economy. If it wasn’t considered an exploit, Deadeye would never have been changed.

Good rule of thumb when it comes to identifying exploits…if it is too good to be true, it most certainly is.

but it wasn’t too good to be true, for every 20 gold you made from opening bags, you had to pay 9 gold to buy more entry tickets…

9 gold = 45 tickets. For those doing 5 gambits, that’s 6 tickets per match. At 6 tickets per match, that’s 7.5 matches. With matches lasting at maximum 2 minutes, that’s 15 minutes at most not including queue times (but let’s be honest, most farming matches were far less time than that).

11g net for less than 15 minutes worth of work? And you seriously think this was working as intended?

Umm, what?

5 tickets is 20 silver. 45 tickets would be 1.8g.

9g would be 225 tickets, or a max back-to-back of 450 minutes (7 and a half hours) without gambits. With 5 tickets (4 gambits is now the norm) per match, you can get that down to 90 minutes maximum, not including over-extending match preps.

Deadeye was, and always will be, my kitten.

I find this unfair, I was close getting 5 gambits achievement then patch buff him… now i gave up.

Who cares if they don’t mention it? They’re not telling us plenty of things, I’m sure of that. I don’t think they owe us mention of everything they do.

Shpongle.6025:

You just made Dead Eye unfarmable with the new build 10 minutes ago…

Why isn’t this in the patch notes?

My client still crashes once a day, fyi.

Auesis.7301:

Manoa.5897:

Shpongle.6025:

Manoa.5897:

A Massive Headache.1879:

Manoa.5897:

Crap. Deadeye was probably my best (maybe even only shot) at getting the gambit achievements. Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy. Thanks for ruining things for those who haven’t gotten that far yet farmers!

except this wasn’t an exploit, there were no rules being broken.

This was certainly an exploit. An exploit is taking advantage of a bug or loophole and playing the game in a way that was not intended by the developers. Obviously, it was never intended for players to be making hundreds of gold by farming Deadeye. This farming very much had the potential to significantly impact our in-game economy. If it wasn’t considered an exploit, Deadeye would never have been changed.

Good rule of thumb when it comes to identifying exploits…if it is too good to be true, it most certainly is.

but it wasn’t too good to be true, for every 20 gold you made from opening bags, you had to pay 9 gold to buy more entry tickets…

9 gold = 45 tickets. For those doing 5 gambits, that’s 6 tickets per match. At 6 tickets per match, that’s 7.5 matches. With matches lasting at maximum 2 minutes, that’s 15 minutes at most not including queue times (but let’s be honest, most farming matches were far less time than that).

11g net for less than 15 minutes worth of work? And you seriously think this was working as intended?

Umm, what?

5 tickets is 20 silver. 45 tickets would be 1.8g.

9g would be 225 tickets, or a max back-to-back of 450 minutes (7 and a half hours) without gambits. With 5 tickets (4 gambits is now the norm) per match, you can get that down to 90 minutes maximum, not including over-extending match preps.

Crap, I forgot that they came in 5 ticket bundles. Nothing to see here, moving on. :-/

The changes don’t seem to be listed on the patch updates forum but they are listed on the wiki page for the 13th August patch:

Changed the mechanics of Deadeye Dunwell’s boss fight to reduce farming efficiency

Gehirn.8796:

The changes don’t seem to be listed on the patch updates forum but they are listed on the wiki page for the 13th August patch:

Changed the mechanics of Deadeye Dunwell’s boss fight to reduce farming efficiency

User submitted. Not ANET.

…Maybe The millions of gold Players were making off of Deadeye was casuing Server Crashes? So when Anet Fixed Various Server Crashes, they had to Fix Deadeye as well? That had to be it!!

….

….No?….

….

…I’ll see myself out…

They don’t post patch notes for things they consider exploits or things they don’t want to draw attention to. I don’t think ArenaNet wants to draw attention to Gauntlet farming because it’s disgustingly imbalanced with how rewarding it can be for certain grinds.

Manoa.5897:

This was certainly an exploit. An exploit is taking advantage of a bug or loophole and playing the game in a way that was not intended by the developers.

What was the bug or loophole?

Obviously, it was never intended for players to be making hundreds of gold by farming Deadeye. This farming very much had the potential to significantly impact our in-game economy. If it wasn’t considered an exploit, Deadeye would never have been changed.

I haven’t tried myself yet, but according to others the changes to Deadeye don’t preclude continuing to make hundreds of gold by farming him, so this appears to be a non sequitur.

Good rule of thumb when it comes to identifying exploits…if it is too good to be true, it most certainly is.

I realize you’re just offering a cliche in lieu of an actual argument here, but for the sake of said argument, define too good. I can certainly think of ways that it could be better.

Manoa.5897:

A Massive Headache.1879:

Manoa.5897:

Crap. Deadeye was probably my best (maybe even only shot) at getting the gambit achievements. Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy. Thanks for ruining things for those who haven’t gotten that far yet farmers!

except this wasn’t an exploit, there were no rules being broken.

This was certainly an exploit. An exploit is taking advantage of a bug or loophole and playing the game in a way that was not intended by the developers. Obviously, it was never intended for players to be making hundreds of gold by farming Deadeye. This farming very much had the potential to significantly impact our in-game economy. If it wasn’t considered an exploit, Deadeye would never have been changed.

Good rule of thumb when it comes to identifying exploits…if it is too good to be true, it most certainly is.

Except for it’s not an exploit (I only killed him maybe 5 times trying to get the gambit achievements). Just so we’re clear here. I could have taken advantage of it had I chosen but I chose not to.

It’s playing the game as it was intended. It’s anets fault they had the lack of foresight to give out so much money as a reward.

Again no one was exploiting him. They were killing him within the rules of the game. That by definition is not an exploit. See purposeloy failing arah gate events to farm them repeatedly if you want to know what an exploit of game mechanics looks like.

It’s a farm. There are no exploits happening here. People are using legit strategy to defeat him.

That the nerf was done stealthily was pretty disrespectful of Anet. Why not mention it in the notes? It definitely is something that people would want to know about, so why not put it in? It’s not like people aren’t going to notice!

And they still haven’t fixed the camera issues…
Frankly speaking, i see the whole gauntlet as a gold sink gone wrong (for them). That’s why they’re nerfing the profitable ones and not fixing any real issue, imho.
Oh well, not that i’ve still got much to do there (i have no intention to do the 8 orb achievement, and i’ll take my time on the meat one).

Manoa.5897:

Crap. Deadeye was probably my best (maybe even only shot) at getting the gambit achievements. Yet another example of ArenaNet’s exploit early and exploit often philosophy. Thanks for ruining things for those who haven’t gotten that far yet farmers!

Can’t really blame the farmers, you can only blame anet for implementing something which was farmable if they didn’t like farming.

In the same sense however, is anet employer is doing everything they can to stop their employees to improve workflow. Very logical.