Guild Wars 2

Server hardware difficulties, Networking difficulties and shaky execution of this entire event was pretty disheartening. The content was there, but half of it was busted.

Between bugged events and NPCs and your big `super chest` that was placed, which half the attendees got screwed out of… you really might consider just placating your players on this one.

Consider something like this:
—> If you were logged into your account, any character, for 1 hour or more during any phase of the Lost Shores event, all characters will be rewarded with the exclusive rewards available during that time.
—> Additionally and limitedly, any characters who were L75+ as of (date/time of ancient karka fight) will receive the reward items given by the chest at the end of that fight. (All items soulbound and unable to be salvaged, as this is to make the items available to people, not to give people money)

Just blanket reward everybody, acknowledge the issues and state that you’ll do better next time and lets put this crap behind us.

I don’t care if I get a Precursor or a few rare/exotic items as I knew those were a roll of the dice on the loot table, but sacrificing a significant portion of my Sunday for the sake of running it three times in hopes of just finishing it once did not sit well with my stomach. Four of those hours, all I have to show for it was a repair bill and a screenshot of where I fell through the floor and died in an inaccessible part of the zone during Run 2’s final fight.

Since the Karka dropped nothing but shells and crab meat, and rarely at that, I feel like I really came out on bottom in the event. A nod by Anet that this was poorly designed & executed and some non-sellable account-bound reparations (i.e. the box and earring) would go a long way towards making many bug victims less hostile.

I think every active (paid) account that participated in ANY part of the event, who did not receive the chest package of ring + bag, should receive it. There were WAY too many bugs/issues in ALL phases – the third phase being horrible (especially on an overflow, of which I imagine the majority of people were in.)

I’m with you Spottycat!!!

I totally disagree with the fact that any account online for an hour should get a prize. It’s like giving the losers of a soccer game medals… It doesn’t make you a winner.

I spent 3 grueling hours of my sunday to get a chance at that big chest and I would be furious if ANET gave that karka earring/bag to everyone that participated… That actually made all the time i spent WORTH IT.

I was in an overflow and we got wiped a few times and a bunch of whiners were like “anet suxors im out” and you think those people should get credit? No.

For those of us who stuck it out, I believe we deserve what we got. For those of you who didn’t, better luck next time.

Three hours isn’t six, Killacam. And does Anet providing reparations to everyone who suffered DCs at the hands of their server cheapen your experience?

There seems to be a huge rift on this forum between those lucky enough to finish the event (Generally in the “get over it” category) and those who found themselves victim of the server hardware. I can see both sides of the issue, and there are merits to both.

The point that bears repeating is that a large contingent of players failed to complete the event through no fault of their own, and their investment of time warrants recompense. A “Sorry you DCed, better luck next time” just doesn’t cut it.

azurrei.5691:

I think every active (paid) account that participated in ANY part of the event, who did not receive the chest package of ring + bag, should receive it. There were WAY too many bugs/issues in ALL phases – the third phase being horrible (especially on an overflow, of which I imagine the majority of people were in.)

The funny part about this is that’s all I am personally asking for. I don;t even care about the random chance to get a precursor. I just want the bag and the trinket that everyone got. I don;t care that I couldn’t loot the chest. I can get over all of that as long as I receive the basic reward that everyone should have gotten for participating.

Killacam.2064:

I totally disagree with the fact that any account online for an hour should get a prize. It’s like giving the losers of a soccer game medals… It doesn’t make you a winner.

I spent 3 grueling hours of my sunday to get a chance at that big chest and I would be furious if ANET gave that karka earring/bag to everyone that participated… That actually made all the time i spent WORTH IT.

I was in an overflow and we got wiped a few times and a bunch of whiners were like “anet suxors im out” and you think those people should get credit? No.

For those of us who stuck it out, I believe we deserve what we got. For those of you who didn’t, better luck next time.

3 hours? I spent more time than you and got nothing. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I remember that the entire time I was doing that event, I was terrified of disconnection. I disconnected once, mid-way through, but on my second try got the chest. It is just unacceptable that instead enjoying the un-enjoyable content, I was worried about crashing the whole time.

They should be able to figure out who participated easily enough. Or at least the people who spent time in the zone if nothing else. Not sure someone questing on the other side of the world really needs the event chest.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Disconnect-at-the-end-of-Lost-Shores-Event-Read-this/first#post788769

Spottycat.7218:

Server hardware difficulties, Networking difficulties and shaky execution of this entire event was pretty disheartening. The content was there, but half of it was busted.

Between bugged events and NPCs and your big `super chest` that was placed, which half the attendees got screwed out of… you really might consider just placating your players on this one.

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Consider something like this:
—> If you were logged into your account, any character, for 1 hour or more during any phase of the Lost Shores event, all characters will be rewarded with the exclusive rewards available during that time.
—> Additionally and limitedly, any characters who were L75+ as of (date/time of ancient karka fight) will receive the reward items given by the chest at the end of that fight. (All items soulbound and unable to be salvaged, as this is to make the items available to people, not to give people money)

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Just blanket reward everybody, acknowledge the issues and state that you’ll do better next time and lets put this crap behind us.

I just want that bag. My god a 20 slot bag could have been mine after all those hours. Darn you ArentNET!!!

Spottycat.7218:

Server hardware difficulties, Networking difficulties and shaky execution of this entire event was pretty disheartening. The content was there, but half of it was busted.

Between bugged events and NPCs and your big `super chest` that was placed, which half the attendees got screwed out of… you really might consider just placating your players on this one.

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Consider something like this:
—> If you were logged into your account, any character, for 1 hour or more during any phase of the Lost Shores event, all characters will be rewarded with the exclusive rewards available during that time.
—> Additionally and limitedly, any characters who were L75+ as of (date/time of ancient karka fight) will receive the reward items given by the chest at the end of that fight. (All items soulbound and unable to be salvaged, as this is to make the items available to people, not to give people money)

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Just blanket reward everybody, acknowledge the issues and state that you’ll do better next time and lets put this crap behind us.

I agree with what you saying here it be nice just to get something out of it cause the time spent. I would really love just to get the bag shell and that chest that droped. They do not have to do anything super fancy a simple mail saying thank you for killing the Karaka we found some stuff we thought you should have it and boom you get items. The event it self in scope of it all is a nice way to introduce new zones and get people amp up to come out and do it. I think anet has a lot of feed back from this event so i am sure there going to do better down the line.

I enjoyed it despite bugs and confusion, not fussed about the reward cos I only played for 3 hours

Hippiepolice.9214:

Spottycat.7218:

Server hardware difficulties, Networking difficulties and shaky execution of this entire event was pretty disheartening. The content was there, but half of it was busted.

Between bugged events and NPCs and your big `super chest` that was placed, which half the attendees got screwed out of… you really might consider just placating your players on this one.

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Consider something like this:
—> If you were logged into your account, any character, for 1 hour or more during any phase of the Lost Shores event, all characters will be rewarded with the exclusive rewards available during that time.
—> Additionally and limitedly, any characters who were L75+ as of (date/time of ancient karka fight) will receive the reward items given by the chest at the end of that fight. (All items soulbound and unable to be salvaged, as this is to make the items available to people, not to give people money)

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Just blanket reward everybody, acknowledge the issues and state that you’ll do better next time and lets put this crap behind us.

I agree with what you saying here it be nice just to get something out of it cause the time spent. I would really love just to get the bag shell and that chest that droped. They do not have to do anything super fancy a simple mail saying thank you for killing the Karaka we found some stuff we thought you should have it and boom you get items. The event it self in scope of it all is a nice way to introduce new zones and get people amp up to come out and do it. I think anet has a lot of feed back from this event so i am sure there going to do better down the line.

I’m with ya bud. That 20-slot pack. My god.

I’m of mixed opinion.

I went to one of the phase 1 karka landings, but got 0 kills because I made the mistake of not going on a toon with aoe spam. Most of the mobs didn’t even appear on my screen overloaded with 100 different aoe effects going simultaneously, and the ones who did appear were dead before I could get more than one shot in.

I was on an overflow server where most of phase 2 didn’t happen, despite sitting around in LA for 45 minutes waiting for it. I did jump over to the new zone as soon as it opened and participated in a huge zerg (the most enjoyable of which was seeing 60 people wrecked instantly when one of the champion Karka emerged underfoot).

For phase 3, I participated but had to leave for RL issues right as we were heading down to the boss. When I came back, guildmates were still fighting it on different overflow servers, but my attempts to join were thwarted by those servers being full.

So in a way, I can appreciate that as someone who didn’t see the event through I don’t deserve the same rewards. On the other hand, I did spend many hours trying to participate in various phases, and mostly came away empty for reasons mostly out of my control.

So I don’t know that I deserve two exotics plus everything else, but I will say having gotten no reward, I feel like I didn’t get as much out of the events as I put into them, which leaves me somewhat disinclined to do future events.

Edit: I should add, I would have been satisfied by good game play rather than loot, but as it stands I didn’t really have a good experience trying to do the events either.

I was disconnected more than 10 times trying to zone to Sunkitten Cove. And on top of that. My 80 guardian is now forever trapped between loading screens of Lions Arch and SC. Both loadingscreens flimmering before I get a network error disconnect. All other chars works fine.

Anet Customer Service: Your guardian seems to work fine!

Oh no, I went through 3 hours of that garbage, if I found out I could just have played an hour of regular Guild Wars 2 for the same effect I might cry.

The idea of rewarding players who had geniuine connection errors and were trying to play the finale event is sound. ONLY for players who participated in the event though, if you were off doing your own thing then you shouldn’t get jack.

But the problem with doing that is that then you’re also going to reward all the players who just got bored partway through and decided it wasn’t worth finishing, which is bad. If you aren’t going to stick it through (to the best of your ability barring connection problems of course) then you shouldn’t reap the rewards. And it sets a bad precedent for future events where people try to just do an hour of an event and then stop hoping Anet will just blanket-reward everyone anyway.

I don’t know if Anet has any way to determine whether someone legitimately got disconnected or just stopped of their own choice, especially since one of the problems with the event was that people were getting stuck on loading screens and having to just shut off the game (which I imagine wouldn’t look like an actual disconnect even if Anet does have access to any sort of data on how a player quit).

I suppose its better to potentially reward people who quit partway through than to punish those who disconnected, but…

One thing I most definately don’t agree with is the idea to reward EVERY character. While yes, some people did manage to do the event multiple times on multiple characters (or the same character on different overflows even) the vast majority probably only did it once. To just hand out the reward to all of a players’ characters if they participated with one single character would be crazy.

I also don’t agree with handing out more rewards to characters 75+. The rewards should be equal for any player, not “bonus rewards for high levels and if you’re not then sorry, but screw you”. Lower level players got level-approriate gear from the chest just like level 80’s did, so any “compensation” should be handled in the exact same way.

The final event was literally the ONLY thing all weekend I didn’t DC from. Everything on Day 1 and Day 2 was missed, despite the fact that I was parked in LA a half-hour before the start of the event, waiting. VERY frustrating (but at least I did get my big Karka chest). I would have liked to experience the rest though and get… whatever you were supposed to get. Lord knows I wasn’t getting DROPS from anything on that ^%$#@! island…

I support this solution. There were a myriad of problems with this whole event, and the Devs have made it clear that they are aware of them. I spent roughly six hours total on the final event, was disconnected twice, sent to a new overflow every time I logged in, and then was kicked from the server because of the 10pm server restarts. The first time I lost connection we had the final Karka boss to a third of his health, the event almost over. Many of my friends and guildmates reported having the same problems, and I think it’s safe to say now that a large majority of the player base faced the same issues.

I think in this instance a blanket reward would be appropriate, seeing as the vast majority of players probably did take part in the event anyway. I feel my efforts and contribution to the event were more than enough to receive the reward.

I think every active (paid) account that participated in ANY part of the event, who did not receive the chest package of ring + bag, should receive it.

I’m a lowbie, and I got 6 nice drops at the end, no precursors, not even a postcursor or a blinkingcursor. I don’t even know what they are, other than rare, takes forever to get otherwise and worth serious dinero.

But two I couldn’t use and both on the auction house stated I would get 11 gold and 5 gold for each if I sold it. When I sold it and I got a few silver each. I guess this is where I’m supposed to be really angry. But honestly if there wasn’t a chest at the end I would have been ok two, it’s a once in a while main event that I played, unique and all of that.

Overall, I just don’t know why I would get upset. I’m not struggling with content buying stuff for under 1 silver each and playing. I already have more gold then I need. So I guess I don’t know why I need more powerful stuff yet. Yeah once I get to 80 move over to WvWvW for a while, I may see it. Maybe everyone complaining that is why, for the PvP advantage, otherwise I don’t get it.

Never mind all these people who disconnected during the event. Anet has yet to mention what theyre going to do about the people on servers were the event was glitched. One of them being the Dragondrand server were it never made it past the Demolition Escourt part

“I spent 3 grueling hours of my sunday to get a chance at that big chest and I would be furious if ANET gave that karka earring/bag to everyone that participated… That actually made all the time i spent WORTH IT.”

I agree with this sentiment. Except " to get a chance at that big chest" we didn’t even know one would be there, but we stuck it out anyway. If you got DC’d you could’ve gotten in again. The event didn’t end nor start at the same time on all the overflows.

OP, if they were to go through with your suggestion: 1 time stamping/mapping every character log in/out would probs take a lot of time and resources. Then how do they know who opened the chest already? Do those of us who did open it get double rewarded? If not, do those of us rewarded get the money/mats from selling/salving the items taken away, and get our items back? For those who put in X hours feel justified when those who put in 1 hour get the same loot? What about all those players who were lucky enough to get into the event in the last few minutes/seconds before the chest spawn, do they lose their items?

It’s too many questions, too little answers, and too time consuming to do anything but a roll back. And roll backs are a last resort. This situation, as unfortunate as it may be for some, isn’t deserving of a roll back.

I’m sorry you feel your time was wasted. My time wasn’t; I had fun. I got to play with more people than I had ever seen in one place before. And everyone was helping each other. I got to fight the biggest GW2 creature I’ve yet to see. More than usual of my guildies were on at one time and we all got to play/chat together. Yeah, I got the loot at the end (after playing start to finish for ~3 hrs). The 20 slot and earring were what I liked. The rest was “meh.” This event though, as a whole, had so many rewarding aspects you can’t exactly quantify. It’s a shame people can’t enjoy a game (video or otherwise) without being handed a trophy.

If I didn’t get any rewards I would’ve been upset for maybe ten mins or so. What makes me really angry for a long time is when they start just giving things away, when I earned it. Like LDOA in GW1 for example. All that DLing only to see people getting it in a day or two after the change

Yes! Everyone needs to get a blue ribbon for school field day!

I missed the final event but don’t care about the precursor. I think that everyone that participate in the LS event, specially people that completed the first phase (scavenger hunt), should get at least the 20 slots karka bag, the only unique item that can’t be obtained after the event.

Spottycat.7218:

Server hardware difficulties, Networking difficulties and shaky execution of this entire event was pretty disheartening. The content was there, but half of it was busted.

Between bugged events and NPCs and your big `super chest` that was placed, which half the attendees got screwed out of… you really might consider just placating your players on this one.

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Consider something like this:
—> If you were logged into your account, any character, for 1 hour or more during any phase of the Lost Shores event, all characters will be rewarded with the exclusive rewards available during that time.
—> Additionally and limitedly, any characters who were L75+ as of (date/time of ancient karka fight) will receive the reward items given by the chest at the end of that fight. (All items soulbound and unable to be salvaged, as this is to make the items available to people, not to give people money)

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Just blanket reward everybody, acknowledge the issues and state that you’ll do better next time and lets put this crap behind us.

I hated the event. The only thing that was buggier than the event was the karkas. I don’t want any of the loot from the events. I would have been happy if the mobs dropped something besides green globs if I was lucky enough to get that from them. I’ll stick to the cursed shore since I know at least I’ll get trash bones from kills.

Quiznos.4296:

I agree with this sentiment. Except " to get a chance at that big chest" we didn’t even know one would be there, but we stuck it out anyway. If you got DC’d you could’ve gotten in again. The event didn’t end nor start at the same time on all the overflows.

I was playing with a party of guild mates. They were playing just fine, so I kept logging back in, then right clicking one of them and going to “Join In…”, then playing – for five minutes, before the game would crash.

After a couple of tries, I let it do its file check and repair, then logged back in and connected to the same overflow server again and crashed immediately. And again.

After about six tries, it stopped letting me connect to that overflow server. It put me on an overflow server with very few people, so the Ancient Karka was just kind of standing there.

Because I still wanted to experience the event, even though I couldn’t participate, I just set my character in a safe area and then went over to sit next to a my fiance while she finished the event. She didn’t have sound, so it was cheapened, but it was still something.

I could NOT have gotten in again. It did not work. Period. The event was completely broken. I spent just as much time and effort as you did on that event; the difference is that I didn’t get to enjoy it because I couldn’t stay logged in for more than ten minutes at a time, and I didn’t get any loot. In fact, I would say my experience was more like work than yours, since mine was a thoroughly boring and frustrating experience, while yours was one of fun.

I want that loot not because I’m butthurt about not getting the loot, but because I did everything I could to set aside at least some time for each of these events, and not a single one was playable, let alone enjoyable. I want the loot because at least then I feel like I’ve gotten a sincere apology for having my time wasted.

Quiznos.4296:

OP, if they were to go through with your suggestion: 1 time stamping/mapping every character log in/out would probs take a lot of time and resources. Then how do they know who opened the chest already? Do those of us who did open it get double rewarded?

You really have no idea how a program works, do you? All of that should be logged and queryable. Everything. It’s not even hard. Keep track of the actions of a character – store the position in a database every few seconds and store a note for any significant actions (killed x beast, raised y player, opened z chest).

It can take some disk space, but space is cheap these days. Large enterprise database systems (postgres or Oracle) can easily handle several million transactions per second, so even with many million players online, logging something every few seconds isn’t hard.

So there are simple ways to check whether or not someone was participating:

1) Were they in the event area?
2) Were they killing karka at some point during the event?
3) Do we ever see them lose connection, then log in again within (let’s be generous because of two factor authentication) five minutes?
4) Because an event like the Ancient Karka dying is also an event large enough to be logged, we can do an extra check:
a) Was the person killing karka, then disconnected, then reconnected, then killing karka, multiple times at any point during the event? (i.e. this person gave up because the event was causing massive instability for them)
b) Was the person in the area of the Ancient Karka before its death, disconnected during its death, and reconnected not long after its death? The lucky among these people will have looted the chest because they were in a party and could reconnect to the overflow server they were participating on. But looting the chest should also be logged.

All of the above can be incorporated into a simple query or script that would automate building the list. I’ve written similar scripts – it takes a couple of hours. Then you spend a day or two making sure that the data it pulls appears to be accurate (note that this doesn’t take much human interaction, so very few hours are wasted) and you’re done.

Quiznos.4296:

This event though, as a whole, had so many rewarding aspects you can’t exactly quantify.

Like not being able to participate in the first event during the two hours I had allocated on Friday night, not being able to participate in the second event during the four hours I had allocated on Saturday night, and not being able to participate in the final event during the twelve hours I had allocated on Sunday? I think I can quantify that.

It’s a shame people can’t enjoy a game (video or otherwise) without being handed a trophy.

It’s a shame people can’t take their rewards and be on their way without needing to cheat other players out of those same rewards because they like feeling special.

Killacam.2064:

I totally disagree with the fact that any account online for an hour should get a prize. It’s like giving the losers of a soccer game medals… It doesn’t make you a winner.

I spent 3 grueling hours of my sunday to get a chance at that big chest and I would be furious if ANET gave that karka earring/bag to everyone that participated… That actually made all the time i spent WORTH IT.

I was in an overflow and we got wiped a few times and a bunch of whiners were like “anet suxors im out” and you think those people should get credit? No.

For those of us who stuck it out, I believe we deserve what we got. For those of you who didn’t, better luck next time.

Wow now who is the whiner

Agree with OP’s idea. It would definitely consolidate my current concerns and alleviate much of the tension over rewards from the event. Please do the right thing Anet.

Disappointing … after all that time online beginning on Friday, then missing the very end …

Killacam.2064:

I spent 3 grueling hours of my sunday to get a chance at that big chest and I would be furious if ANET gave that karka earring/bag to everyone that participated… That actually made all the time i spent WORTH IT.

I spent more time on the event than you did, but I got nothing because I lost my event progress every time I got (repeatedly) disconnected. After my repair bills, I lost money participating in the event.

How is it less worthwhile for you if other people also get rewarded for our time?

I don’t actually expect to get anything. If I was sent something – even something small and had no coin value – that said, “Hey, we acknowledge that you were there and it matters that you played,” I’d be completely satisfied. I’m not holding my breath, but it’s a nice thought.

Hey, i’ve recently been studying for my NCEA level 1 exams while the event was out and was not able to play guild wars 2 at all, i think i’ve logged in about twice these last couple of weeks, i think it is really unfair that the majority of people got a chance to get the precursors and the minority of us (usually forgotten because we are only a small population) don’t at all…I am currently working towards getting a legendary and the one time i’m not on Guild Wars an epic event comes out that has a massive chance to get the precursors. i’m just hoping that you can give me the same chance that everyone else got….I didn’t know that the event was out also, because if i did i would have come on anyways ^.^ all i ask is a fair chance.

Spottycat.7218:

—> Additionally and limitedly, any characters who were L75+ as of (date/time of ancient karka fight) will receive the reward items given by the chest at the end of that fight. (All items soulbound and unable to be salvaged, as this is to make the items available to people, not to give people money)

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Just blanket reward everybody, acknowledge the issues and state that you’ll do better next time and lets put this crap behind us.

In light of having to face a bunch of haters in the community that want to back stab others instead of working together has forced me to come here and agree with this idea except with a few tweaks:
unsalvaged items/non tradable/account bound items should be:
1. Karka 20-slot bag
2. Karka Jewel
3. Karka Accessory

And that is all anyone should automatically receive as compensation. The only reason the vocal minority is complaining is due to some receiving precursors and they feeling kitten over it. Unless they were on the list of those who d/c’d right before obtaining the boss chest, they should not under any circumstance receive any exotic or precursor as a 20-slot account-bound bag, jewel and accessory should suffice their greed.

~ Bear

I agree here. I think ANet Did an amazing job with this update, i mean sure there were a couple bugs but it was still successfull and we had fun. But those one off events for me were awful in sense that i either had 5min delays from pressing an attack to actually doing it, constantly got dcd and than eventually managed to get back on to the server the event would be finished and i walked away with no reward.

So it would be appreciated if some reward was put in place to help those who tried the event but due to issues never got to complete it, or if the event could be resurrected for another attempt

Come on…at least someone from Arena Net send me a PM so i can negotiate, i guess >.> all i want is a fair chance as i was not ALLOWED to come on guild wars as i HAD to study.

If the player logged into LA or Southern Cove at participated in the event to some degree, place a few consortium chests in their mail today.

One of the things I found annoying was that the friday and saturday events had no real reward to participating in them other than your normal coin and karma. Not only is it bad design to give rewards only at the very end, but it also can give people the assumption that the end event won’t have a good reward and thus not be worth the trouble. I remember people speculating that right before the sunday event that we would be rewarded with a pat on the back. Nobody had any idea that there would be a reward with 3-4 exotics and an increased chance at getting a precursor.

Spottycat.7218:

Server hardware difficulties, Networking difficulties and shaky execution of this entire event was pretty disheartening. The content was there, but half of it was busted.

This has become a standard in gw2, good content when and if it works. This event just went to extremes, hell every character I tried to take out for the event ended up locked out of the game totally until population in new area toned down and I was able to log back in, AFTER the event was over.

anet has already said theyre looking into making it right for all those who were dc’d during the fight.