Marionette dodge AP, why punish everyone?

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Posted by: leila.7962

leila.7962

I understand that to get these achievements every platform must succeed on the event, but the achievement is supposedly something personal.. (or at least I thought it was, until then).

If I dodge it correctly it should give me the achievement. What does it have to do with other people failling on their lanes? This isn’t fair.. The achievement is about not getting hit by the marionette attacks, not about succeeding the platforms.. (?)

Why punish everyone because some people couldn’t survive their phase 2?
I mean I’m having to repeat this over and over even dodging it right because other people can’t do their job :/

For example Tequatl achievements, even if everyone wipe during it I can still dodge the tail attack, it doesn’t require me to beat Tequatl to have the dodge tail AP.

Can we have a change on this please?

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Posted by: Umut.5471

Umut.5471

I totally agree, these kind of achievements must be personal achievements. If I do everything right, I should get this achievement reward without relying on my disc/lane’s success.

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Posted by: Phoenixlin.8624

Phoenixlin.8624

Stop crying about relying on others. It is not the end of world. You will eventualy get a good lane and get your achievements.

Whinings of casual, ap farmers makes me puke.

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Posted by: Cina Reas.6938

Cina Reas.6938

Stop crying about relying on others. It is not the end of world. You will eventualy get a good lane and get your achievements.

Whinings of casual, ap farmers makes me puke.

You should play a solo game. Your clearly not a social game player.

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Posted by: Lasica.5068

Lasica.5068

Oh I was going to complain but just got the lightfoot achievement

And short-circuiter.

Why make sense, when it’s so much more fun to make nonsense?

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Posted by: Phoenixlin.8624

Phoenixlin.8624

Stop crying about relying on others. It is not the end of world. You will eventualy get a good lane and get your achievements.

Whinings of casual, ap farmers makes me puke.

You should play a solo game. Your clearly not a social game player.

No, people that are whining about “relying on others” in an online game’s forums should play a solo game.

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Posted by: Adam.4103

Adam.4103

Stop crying about relying on others. It is not the end of world. You will eventualy get a good lane and get your achievements.

Whinings of casual, ap farmers makes me puke.

What a way to ignore an issue… Dodging an attack is a personal requirement, there’s always at least one kitten who doesn’t dodge anything.

Whining of kittens make me puke.

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Posted by: leila.7962

leila.7962

It’s not crying over it, if your fast you get it if not then don’t get it.. This forces you to do over and over something that you would be already done with if this only mattered your skills.

The point is that dodging has nothing to do with the other people success on lanes.
You guys, Cina and Phoenix, are just twisting it.

The achievement you get by beating her yea I agree, if one fail then no one should get it, but it’s a dodging achievement.. No reason to not allow it.

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Posted by: Healix.5819

Healix.5819

By making it only count when successful, it’s just another reason for continued participation. If people finish too quickly, then nobody is going to get those achievements. As more people learn the encounter, the achievement should be easier to get as failing is not as common. Next week though, it’ll probably be harder as people move on like usual.

Who says it’s an individual achievement? If the text specifically said that you had to sever a chain while avoiding the attacks, would you still say that? You could just assume that when failing, you are automatically hit by the attack which forces you off the platform. If they wanted to make it easy, you’d only have to dodge a single attack.

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Posted by: leila.7962

leila.7962

This goes back to the fact that this forces you to come back to do something you would be done with already..

If they want to keep people playing the content it should be because its fun and not because someone else can’t keep themselves alive during the event.. They’re making you come back for the wrong reasons then..

Imagine if daily dodger demanded your entire group to succeed dodging too so you’d be able to get credit for it. And if someone failed you would have to start all over again.

Not to mention that the achievement that you have to beat her already includes cutting the chains.. Aka succeeding on lanes

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Posted by: Phoenixlin.8624

Phoenixlin.8624

Meh I lost my post because of browser -_-

That guy has a point. Whiners whine for every single, little thing that are not even a serious problem. If you couldn’t get your mighty achievement by just pressing “V” button at right time(by the way you don’t even need to press V. You just have to avoid getting dmg from aoe circles), who cares? There are dozens of players also got their achievements by relying to others. Stop crying in forums everytime and play your game. You have at least 12 -at most 28- days to get your achievement points.

Geez as if they will give you golden medal for those achievements.

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Posted by: Windu The Forbidden One.6045

Windu The Forbidden One.6045

Stop crying about relying on others. It is not the end of world. You will eventualy get a good lane and get your achievements.

Whinings of casual, ap farmers makes me puke.

It’s responses like this that make me puke.
This doesn’t have a kitten thing to do with “relying on others”. The achievement is about dodging a certain attack, and if that’s exactly what you do you should get the achievement.

Luckily the achievement isn’t worth a thing so I can live without it, but still. This achievement has nothing to do with relying on others.

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Posted by: Phoenixlin.8624

Phoenixlin.8624

Should I really explain the elephant in this room?

The achievement is bound to SUCCESS of your WHOLE group that trying to break ONE chain. It is not different than “relying on others” to get a “kill xyz boss” achievement or achievements that are bound to death of a boss.

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Posted by: Windu The Forbidden One.6045

Windu The Forbidden One.6045

Should I really explain the elephant in this room?

The achievement is bound to SUCCESS of your WHOLE group that trying to break ONE chain. It is not different than “relying on others” to get a “kill xyz boss” achievement or achievements that are bound to death of a boss.

That’s not what the achievement discriptions says:
Avoid the Marionette’s Stomp/Sword Attack (and nothing more)

Well that’s exactly what I did. There’s a difference between relying on others, and needless mechanics like this.

If one group of people fail a platform which causes the event to fail, THAT is relying on others. Not this.

If your life is in the hands of people cleansing you with turrets (tequatl fight). THAT is relying on others. Not this.

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Posted by: Frost.2908

Frost.2908

This is a different type of event based on group play and coordination, the title did seem daunting at first but once you get over the solo player mentality and work with your group of randoms its quite easy, I already have all the achievements from this living story completed.

You can get multiple tries per event simply go to the lane of the first you need and once you get out win or fail you can do another phase 2 tries later. There’s a timer before you can re-enter, this is why I say 2 chain attempts later it will expire.

If anything I do think anet should at least update the description of the achievement to notify people the phase needs to be completed as well

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Posted by: ZilentNight.5089

ZilentNight.5089

The whole dodge the crap achievements are getting very annoying. They still haven’t fixed the Molten Duo shockwave, which I have done flawlessly about 50 times now and still no achievement but they keep adding more achievements like this….

And now this one requires the success of others, I haven’t missed a single living story achievement but this might be the first one.

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Posted by: leila.7962

leila.7962

Well I guess I’m not the only one, other people share the same thought apparently..
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1vylje/i_dont_like_the_design_of_the_new_achievements/

I still didn’t have a chance to get the 5th lane achievement because people can’t dodge on lane 2 and it goes to 3, 4 and eventually it fails… and I spent a good amount of time ‘relying on others’ to get it. I’ve been on other lanes to help so maybe I would get to see the 5th lane phase 2, but nope.

Or maybe the description should have been clearer then, if it’s the case of having to succeed the whole thing in order to be getting the dodge achievements, instead of just saying dodge it to get it.

Or maybe make just one achievement worth for all, “All or Nothing (135)”.

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Posted by: Fungalfoot.7213

Fungalfoot.7213

Yeah, the achievement should pop if you succeed in clearing your platform while dodging all attacks. It’s completely ridiculous that you have to rely on a bunch of randoms to succeed in scoring what is ultimately a personal achievement.

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Posted by: OmniPotentes.4817

OmniPotentes.4817

I must agree this is quite annoying. We have beaten the Mari 3x in a row tonight; but by some misfortune I was not able to complete any of the dodge or champ achievements because the lane I was in kept failing despite never failing myself. Quite frustrating.

They should add a lucky/ unlucky title for choosing a winning or failing lane.

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Posted by: Rizalee.4593

Rizalee.4593

Yeah, the achievement should pop if you succeed in clearing your platform while dodging all attacks. It’s completely ridiculous that you have to rely on a bunch of randoms to succeed in scoring what is ultimately a personal achievement.

I think this would be the best fix.. At least limit it to your own platform.. Especially when I have seen runs where some platforms have 8 people and others only have 2, causing a guaranteed wipe on the 2 man platform.

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Posted by: Kal Spiro.9745

Kal Spiro.9745

So that’s why I haven’t gotten them, that’s really dumb and annoying.

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Posted by: Shpongle.6025

Shpongle.6025

I totally agree, these kind of achievements must be personal achievements. If I do everything right, I should get this achievement reward without relying on my disc/lane’s success.

^ I concurr.

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