Guild Wars 2

I agree with you. I’m disappointed that the achievement is tied to winning the event rather than just focusing on that particular champion fight then and there. It also doesn’t help that everytime you fail, you will have to wait for the next respawn.

So at a minimum (without jumping lanes), you need to dedicate 10 hours to marinette to get all 5 platform achievements. And that doesnt include the fact that you may get hit, or your map may fail, or even that you don’t get the right champion. So you’re more likely going to have to dedicate +50 hours to it.

And all this for temporary content? Not going to happen Anet.

If all you want is the meta reward, simply participate in the event each day for the daily, which will raise your meta progress.

Vol.7601:

I agree with you. I’m disappointed that the achievement is tied to winning the event rather than just focusing on that particular champion fight then and there. It also doesn’t help that everytime you fail, you will have to wait for the next respawn.

So at a minimum (without jumping lanes), you need to dedicate 10 hours to marinette to get all 5 platform achievements. And that doesnt include the fact that you may get hit, or your map may fail, or even that you don’t get the right champion. So you’re more likely going to have to dedicate +50 hours to it.

And all this for temporary content? Not going to happen Anet.

I need to get the #4 boss killed. So I go lane 1. We do it easily.

I then move down to support lane #4 while my gate timer wears off.

Lane #2 fails.

Lane #3 fails.

So now at Lane #4 I have no choice but to go in and fight the #2 boss…we do it.

Lane #5 fails.

Event fails because of other players…lose/don’t get credit for dodging Marionette attacks, then have to wait 2 hours to try again…

50 hours is an exaggeration. I’ve probably spent 12 hours and only have one achievement left. I’d say that 20 hours is a better estimate for most people to have already gotten all achievements (assuming they’re capable of dodging in the first place).

Healix.5819:

If all you want is the meta reward, simply participate in the event each day for the daily, which will raise your meta progress.

^^This^^

That’s the reason why they added the LS daily. So that people with little time on their hands can finish the meta achievement. It just takes time.

I think the core of the problem is rng.
20 players enter portal, one platform gets 6, one gets 3, one gets 5, one gets 2, one gets 4.
6-player kills champ in 20 seconds and waits.
4 and 5-player kill champ in 60 seconds
3-player kill champ with 20 seconds to spare and barely destroys console in time
2-player can only get champ to 50% health

can’t blame bad players on that one. sure, any skilled player can kill a champ given enough time. very few do it in under 3 minutes – especially with mechanics like ‘immune to attack from the front’ – so only one of the two is actually dealing significant damage.

Although I agree that achievements should be more about your own personal ability, if the point of contention is just getting the meta done, you can do this and never get any of the platform achievements.
If you’re achievement hunting, well then, you’re kind of screwed if you get in groups that don’t have the ability to complete the event.

If all awards we like this then the OP might have a point. However, only some awards have this characteristic. Variety is good. There should be awards for all methods, even those involving teamwork.

I realise I can get the meta by doing the daily. However sometimes that daily is “take part in the marionette battle”. 2 hours wait time.

I also kinda wanted to get the meta achievement by doing the actual achievements associated with the story and not the daily.

However, bugs and bad decisions in achievement implementation have stopped me doing so.

The Devs seem to be reading these forums, so I just wanted to provide feedback on what the experience has been like for me.

p.s. I also liked the organisation for this event, forming up into lanes etc. was actually pretty fun. It’s just that I don’t want the achievements to fail like they do now if another group doesn’t do well enough. I don’t mind the whole event failing if we’re just not good enough. However I want recognition for the things that I didn’t fail at. Like dodging Marionette attacks.

You can hop onto any overflow before it starts if you just want to get credit. I did that way back during the Teq meta.

8 players just failed to take down the champion that drops mines. (8 players on the same platform…)

My platform killed our boss. I took no hits from the Marionette.

OH LOOK, I GET NOTHING FOR IT. sigh

Akimbo.4835:

8 players just failed to take down the champion that drops mines. (8 players on the same platform…)

My platform killed our boss. I took no hits from the Marionette.

OH LOOK, I GET NOTHING FOR IT. sigh

It’s more difficult to beat that boss if there’s a lot of people. You’ll never get it to go over its mines.

It is frustrating when you work hard, and you do everything you need to do, but you essentially get punished because other people fail.
Some people think all they have to do is login that day and they’ll insta-win, and have a hard time accepting the fact that they lost, that it was not a victory, that they actually have to put in some “effort” in order to achieve victory

Like the late George Carlin said – “The child will never lose. We know he’ll never lose because in today’s America, no child ever loses! There are no losers anymore. Everyone’s a winner. No matter what the game or sport or competition. Everyone wins! Everyone wins, everyone gets a trophy, noone is a loser. No child these days ever get to hear those all important character building words. You lost Bobby! You lost, you’re a loser Bobby! They miss out on that. You know what they tell a kid who lost these days? You were the last winner! A lot of these kids never get to hear the truth about themselves until they’re in their twenties! When their boss calls them in and says Bobby clean this crap outta your desk and get the heck outta here you’re a loser!”
You can hear the rest on George Carlin’s skit “Child Worship”.

I’ve personally faced and defeated all five of the champions and I have to say. There is no reason beyond the timer that anyone should ever fail at these bosses.

Course if you call someone out on this, that they lost or point out their flaws suddenly you’ll have two people defending them and saying things like “Even if you don’t win it’s not the end of the world!” or the all famous “It’s just a game”.

I think you’re being punished for being a crappy teacher.

No one shows up with the intent to fail. But they may lack the knowledge needed to win. If you’re so certain that you’ve mastered every nuance of the fight, then you need to master one more: sharing that knowledge.

Nike.2631:

I think you’re being punished for being a crappy teacher.

No one shows up with the intent to fail. But they may lack the knowledge needed to win. If you’re so certain that you’ve mastered every nuance of the fight, then you need to master one more: sharing that knowledge.

This. Ayrilana, for example, offered up the nugget that more players can make it more difficult due to the aggro spread. Maybe drop this hint into map chat before that fight/for those facing this boss, and players will be reminded to tighten themselves up a bit more if in that situation.

I’d also suggest keeping some sort of shield or defensive skill ready before you go through the portal to the platforms. This has helped save me from going down immediately due to spawning in the middle of the marionette’s AoE.

Also also, I see a lot of commanders say “I need 5 volunteers to go to lane 3” or what have you. Commanders, I’d suggest asking the players who are going to go to count themselves off in map/say chat. Just /say a number. “1”, “2”, etc. That way you don’t suddenly find yourself down 15 people and having to repeat the whole process in reverse.

This fight is not as much about the individual. Offering up helpful tactics for multiple potential scenarios to those not as familiar with the fight is on you as the self-appointed elite player. This is why good Commanders aren’t just standing there silently before the event. They’ll patiently repeat instructions and offer advice. I always get a feeling of dread when it’s five minutes before the event and the commander hasn’t said a kitten word — even more so if the commander hasn’t even bothered to offer up a lane count in map after being asked. That was the worst run I’ve been through.

TBH, when I see someone “call out” another person, idgaf about the person with the finger pointed in their face who may or may not be guilty of what the Mean Girl in Map Chat is saying. I’m more annoyed that some person is taking their usually verbally vitriolic anger out on a player who may have been under-manned or a million other nuanced situations that I can’t confirm or deny (vital skills’ cooldowns still going just as their platform peeps go down, portaled to the platform just in time to get hit with the marionette’s AoE and started off desperately trying to just stay alive, their net suddenly went down, etc). Half the time, from my map chat experiences, the Mean Girl was stony silent in map before the event began and expects perfect play from someone thrown head first into the event.

kimeekat.2548:

Nike.2631:

I think you’re being punished for being a crappy teacher.

No one shows up with the intent to fail. But they may lack the knowledge needed to win. If you’re so certain that you’ve mastered every nuance of the fight, then you need to master one more: sharing that knowledge.

This. Ayrilana, for example, offered up the nugget that more players can make it more difficult due to the aggro spread. Maybe drop this hint into map chat before that fight/for those facing this boss, and players will be reminded to tighten themselves up a bit more if in that situation.

I’d also suggest keeping some sort of shield or defensive skill ready before you go through the portal to the platforms. This has helped save me from going down immediately due to spawning in the middle of the marionette’s AoE.

Also also, I see a lot of commanders say “I need 5 volunteers to go to lane 3” or what have you. Commanders, I’d suggest asking the players who are going to go to count themselves off in map/say chat. Just /say a number. “1”, “2”, etc. That way you don’t suddenly find yourself down 15 people and having to repeat the whole process in reverse.

This fight is not as much about the individual. Offering up helpful tactics for multiple potential scenarios to those not as familiar with the fight is on you as the self-appointed elite player. This is why good Commanders aren’t just standing there silently before the event. They’ll patiently repeat instructions and offer advice. I always get a feeling of dread when it’s five minutes before the event and the commander hasn’t said a kitten word — even more so if the commander hasn’t even bothered to offer up a lane count in map after being asked. That was the worst run I’ve been through.

TBH, when I see someone “call out” another person, idgaf about the person with the finger pointed in their face who may or may not be guilty of what the Mean Girl in Map Chat is saying. I’m more annoyed that some person is taking their usually verbally vitriolic anger out on a player who may have been under-manned or a million other nuanced situations that I can’t confirm or deny (vital skills’ cooldowns still going just as their platform peeps go down, portaled to the platform just in time to get hit with the marionette’s AoE and started off desperately trying to just stay alive, their net suddenly went down, etc). Half the time, from my map chat experiences, the Mean Girl was stony silent in map before the event began and expects perfect play from someone thrown head first into the event.

None of this kitten helps at all and happens every kittening time anyways. The bads don’t get any better and the boss is easy as kitten. You have people spamming in map chat copy pasting the current chains strategy every time and one platform of morons always kittens it up. I have done it over 20 times now and my platforms never fail and always have over a minute left. I also have never once seen a platform with 2 or less players unless they were all downed and respawned already.

Nike.2631:

I think you’re being punished for being a crappy teacher.

No one shows up with the intent to fail. But they may lack the knowledge needed to win. If you’re so certain that you’ve mastered every nuance of the fight, then you need to master one more: sharing that knowledge.

For someone to be a good teacher, they need people to actually listen to them.
Three times when we’ve had 10 minutes before the fight starts, I would explain as simple and clear as I could how to defeat each champion. And would remind them before they entered their match.
Simple things
“You can only damage him from behind!”
“You need to lure him into his own mines in order to stun him so he can take damage, otherwise you cannot hurt him!”
“He hits like a truck, you have to DPS him down. Range works pretty well with this one!”

And so on.
Explained the tower defense part, the lane numbering system, boss fights and more… and it didn’t help. There are just those who don’t read map chat.

Edit – Just did the one at 7pm EST in an overflow server and my god.
Before the match started, I explained everything in simple detail, did what I could… and in the end.
A Perfect Run.
No fails in any lane… Lane 5 severed the 5th chain for a mission complete.
Was amazing, everyone was cheering and it felt good. When people listen, you can succeed!

DarcShriek.5829:

If all awards we like this then the OP might have a point. However, only some awards have this characteristic. Variety is good. There should be awards for all methods, even those involving teamwork.

I’m sick of this excuse for the bad achievement design for the dodge achievements. While I agree that variety is good and achievements involving teamwork are good, you can not honestly call random placement of players onto separated pads, who can no longer help each other even if they wanted to, teamwork. If players who beat their champion and destroyed their console could move to other platforms, then you could call the achievements teamwork based, but not as they are now.

Add a transporter that appears after the platform is dead. You click on it and you transport to a ring that is still fighting.

Nike.2631:

I think you’re being punished for being a crappy teacher.

No one shows up with the intent to fail. But they may lack the knowledge needed to win. If you’re so certain that you’ve mastered every nuance of the fight, then you need to master one more: sharing that knowledge.

You can tell players the trick to defeating a boss all you want. It falls on deaf ears. You’ll have more success explaining it to a brick wall. Bad players are bad and will always be bad regardless of the advice people give them.

Nike.2631:

I think you’re being punished for being a crappy teacher.

Grimno.6172:

Edit – Just did the one at 7pm EST in an overflow server and my god.
Before the match started, I explained everything in simple detail, did what I could… and in the end.
A Perfect Run.
No fails in any lane… Lane 5 severed the 5th chain for a mission complete.
Was amazing, everyone was cheering and it felt good. When people listen, you can succeed!

Thank you for proving my point . And its not just ‘when people listen’, it’s ‘when a good teach inspires them to listen’. Or ‘when a good teacher makes sure the students comprehend’.

Akimbo.4835:

You can tell players the trick to defeating a boss all you want. It falls on deaf ears. You’ll have more success explaining it to a brick wall. Bad players are bad and will always be bad regardless of the advice people give them.

And thank you for perfectly demonstrating what a bad teacher looks like.
There’s three million people who bought this game, and somehow our most elite players know the exact composition of the 110 they’re playing with this time, next time, and on all possible occasions because they’re just too good to even try. Better to decide in advance ‘oh, it won’t help!’

I’m not saying teaching is an easy activity or a common skill. I’m just saying it’s the skill being tested by the event, far more than any individual’s ability to dodge or kite in circles. If you want to improve your odds of succeeding, that’s the skill you need to polish.

Nike.2631:

Nike.2631:

I think you’re being punished for being a crappy teacher.

Akimbo.4835:

You can tell players the trick to defeating a boss all you want. It falls on deaf ears. You’ll have more success explaining it to a brick wall. Bad players are bad and will always be bad regardless of the advice people give them.

And thank you for perfectly demonstrating what a bad teacher looks like.
There’s three million people who bought this game, and somehow our most elite players know the exact composition of the 110 they’re playing with this time, next time, and on all possible occasions because they’re just too good to even try. Better to decide in advance ‘oh, it won’t help!’

I’m not saying teaching is an easy activity or a common skill. I’m just saying it’s the skill being tested by the event, far more than any individual’s ability to dodge or kite in circles. If you want to improve your odds of succeeding, that’s the skill you need to polish.

“Lure the boss into his own mines!”

“7 people run mindlessly in circles, into mines, into each other and the walls”

“kitten , clearly my fault for being a bad teacher and giving bad directions!”

/logic

Akimbo.4835:

“Lure the boss into his own mines!”

“7 people run mindlessly in circles, into mines, into each other and the walls”

“kitten , clearly my fault for being a bad teacher and giving bad directions!”

/logic

Try it with a little more tact, like:
‘Folks, when the boss starts throwing mines, you have to lure him into them. Dodging towards the boss helps a lot! Also remember to ress whenever possible!’

Sadly, success and failure seems to be related to how many rangers you have. If there are a lot of rangers on your forum participating, you’re not going to make it.

Yesterday, we easily beat the marionette late at night with a less the full server. Normally, my server is hard capped and fails. The difference, there were only 3 rangers present.

I’ve seen rangers use longbow to push twisted watchwork enemies toward the gates.

I was in a group fighting warden #4. We had gotten him down to a sliver of health with 30 seconds left. Unfortunately, we all got defeated except for one player. I thought, alright, plenty of time for one player to kill the warden and the control panel. Then the bear appeared. The ranger pewpewed with his longbow. The timer ran out and the warden was still standing. Couldn’t believe it.

Inc.4753:

Try it with a little more tact, like:
‘Folks, when the boss starts throwing mines, you have to lure him into them. Dodging towards the boss helps a lot! Also remember to ress whenever possible!’

You think tact makes a difference?
If a person doesn’t rez a guy that is one feet away from him asking “rez”, you think he’s going to rez him if you say “please”? Really?

You realize the Living story meta achievement requires 11 completes. Completes which include just participating in the daily at either the Wurm or Marionette. Which means you never have to win an event, just participate once a day. Events last under 30 minutes. Thus, the total investment for the meta is under 5.5 hrs over 2 weeks.

tldr: Don’t spend all day grinding, just do it once a day for the daily.

btw… I’ve already been a part of flawless runs and wins on overflows too.

Nike.2631:

I think you’re being punished for being a crappy teacher.

No one shows up with the intent to fail. But they may lack the knowledge needed to win. If you’re so certain that you’ve mastered every nuance of the fight, then you need to master one more: sharing that knowledge.

While that might help….you still can’t help that person dodge orange circles.

@OP:

You are mostly correct. The problem is that the average skill set of players in the game is not very high. I don’t get how it is even possible to get downed on the phase 2 platforms. The circle comes up, and dodge out of it. I’ve never been in a group that has not beaten our platform. So, why do so many platforms fail?

These types of open world events are not a good idea. It just spawns too much hatred within the community towards each other.

style.6173:

@OP:

You are mostly correct. The problem is that the average skill set of players in the game is not very high. I don’t get how it is even possible to get downed on the phase 2 platforms. The circle comes up, and dodge out of it. I’ve never been in a group that has not beaten our platform. So, why do so many platforms fail?

These types of open world events are not a good idea. It just spawns too much hatred within the community towards each other.

The one platform where the champ spawns bombs will one shot you sometimes if you melee. I don’t know if the circle is unseeable because of the particle effects(another can of wurms ) or if it is intentional.

As a fairly skilled player, I was just downed on the platform for lane 3. I have no clue what happened, we had plenty of players in the lane. All I do know is I was stuck soloing it and wiped. It was very odd as players trickled unto the platform afterwards. Next time up Lane 3 won the event easily with 5×5 on the platforms.

Style, those are still Champions on the platforms and can just about one shot you down. Dodging the Marionette is trivial.

I think I spotted the problem, Akimbo. I think you’ve confused the word ‘achievement’ with the word ‘entitlement’.

I have to agree with the OP here. I think the achievements are just fine in terms of individual skill, but requiring the entire set of platforms to complete the event successfully is ridiculous. I’ve attemped this boss about 30 times so far, and only once has the platform I’ve been on failed to destroy the node in time (for the record, I was experiencing excessive lag and rubberbanded or stayed in place for 15-20 seconds at a time). So I have basically never failed to take down the node, and numerous times I’ve dodged all the marionette’s attacks, yet I don’t have the achievements. In fact, I’ve never seen the marionette defeated even once in any of the maps I’ve been to. Not to brag, but my personal skill level is just fine, and it’s annoying that I really do have to depend on everyone else, including people who either can’t read or are trolling, to get the dodge achievements done. The other day, I even saw a player using a SUNRISE running around the perimeter of the platform on Warden #2 and completely avoiding every mine the boss laid. That should tell you something right there.

I’m only missing dodge 4 and every single time I do it the other platform fails so I can’t finish it off

Worse off is when people can’t even get over the #2-3 champs even though they are incredibly easy, it just hurts me and frustrating.

Shufflepants.9785:

I think I spotted the problem, Akimbo. I think you’ve confused the word ‘achievement’ with the word ‘entitlement’.

Don’t think he did. Did you read his post?

He achieved the criteria. He and his team defeated his warden and destroyed his regulator. He also avoided getting hit by any marionette attacks.

He was unable to get the points because….someone else failed to do the same thing. Someone he didn’t know, couldn’t rely on, and couldn’t even help. I think you should check the meaning of entitlement again.

It’s like showing up to work every day and then on payday getting nothing because someone else in the office wasn’t working. These achievements are not dependent on your efforts; they should be. His problem with it is reasonable.

I don’t know, I just see a lot of whining and crying about nothing. I’ve spent all but two runs in Overflows. So completely random groups and I have gotten through enough that the only thing I need now is to do Warden 5 and avoid the scream.

I’m sorry that your luck is really bad, but honestly, too bad. Get over it. You don’t need to beat the Marionette even one time to get the meta. Hell, you don’t even need to DO the Marionette to get the meta. You can show up once a day and fail the wurm to get it, too.

I totally agree with the topic of this forum. This server wide content makes it really frustrating. If they are going to make server wide content then need to do something different. Kitten it up or something for the average player (though I definitely don’t mind the current difficulty and in fact prefer it). Or boost the average joe. Maybe look at there gear and say. Wait this guy has a lvl 60 white weapons and some blue armor. Boost his base power/precision, etc…

I remember reading somewhere that they had done a survey of gw1 players and their builds/skills used. Some crazy number of people hadn’t even changed the first skills they ever got in the game. So in gw2 they added forced skills by weapons… I don’t think that fixed the problem.

Please stop this kind of content or do something so we can finish it on less populated/ populated with sub par players.

No offense intended but over 8 tries at the wurm and the best attempt I’ve had is middle wurm down to 70%. And that’s with a 2 hour wait to get into the main server not an overflow…

Totally agree with OP, I fought Marionette a dozen times and got my achievements but he is totally right.
If you dodged X thing for the achievement then BAM! you got it, even if the lane fails.
Is the right thing in my opinion.

Chris RJ.1843:

Shufflepants.9785:

I think I spotted the problem, Akimbo. I think you’ve confused the word ‘achievement’ with the word ‘entitlement’.

Don’t think he did. Did you read his post?

He achieved the criteria. He and his team defeated his warden and destroyed his regulator. He also avoided getting hit by any marionette attacks.

He was unable to get the points because….someone else failed to do the same thing. Someone he didn’t know, couldn’t rely on, and couldn’t even help. I think you should check the meaning of entitlement again.

It’s like showing up to work every day and then on payday getting nothing because someone else in the office wasn’t working. These achievements are not dependent on your efforts; they should be. His problem with it is reasonable.

Oh, right, I forgot that they credit individual players for winning the world series for having the most RBI’s in a season even when their team loses every single game. Your work analogy is not applicable. Group events are failed or succeed as a group. It is more like a team sport. You don’t “win the game” when you personally score more points than any individual, you only win when your team has more points than the other team. And the OP feels like he deserves to “win the game” even though his team lost.

en·ti·tle·ment
noun
the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)

He feels like he has a right to it when no such right exists.
That is entitlement.

Yesterday I was in an overflow that beat the Marionette (was my first kill, too). Commanders on the map took the time to explain every single warden mechanics on map chat. They also coordinated people to go from lane X to lane Y to have enough ppl for each warden fight.

Result – 4 first chains broken with maybe less than 5% of the failure meter filled. Then 2 failures, and success on the 3rd try for the 5th boss. During the two failures the commanders kept explaining it further, giving advice to increase DPS, piling them up for AoE, etc.

I genuinely believe it was this attitude of telling people exactly what to do in each fight, instead of telling them to go to Dulfy, that won the fight.

Shufflepants.9785:

Chris RJ.1843:

Shufflepants.9785:

I think I spotted the problem, Akimbo. I think you’ve confused the word ‘achievement’ with the word ‘entitlement’.

Don’t think he did. Did you read his post?

He achieved the criteria. He and his team defeated his warden and destroyed his regulator. He also avoided getting hit by any marionette attacks.

He was unable to get the points because….someone else failed to do the same thing. Someone he didn’t know, couldn’t rely on, and couldn’t even help. I think you should check the meaning of entitlement again.

It’s like showing up to work every day and then on payday getting nothing because someone else in the office wasn’t working. These achievements are not dependent on your efforts; they should be. His problem with it is reasonable.

Oh, right, I forgot that they credit individual players for winning the world series for having the most RBI’s in a season even when their team loses every single game. Your work analogy is not applicable. Group events are failed or succeed as a group. It is more like a team sport. You don’t “win the game” when you personally score more points than any individual, you only win when your team has more points than the other team. And the OP feels like he deserves to “win the game” even though his team lost.

en·ti·tle·ment
noun
the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)

He feels like he has a right to it when no such right exists.
That is entitlement.

Sports teams are made up of people who know each other and learn to work together, and a good player in a bad team has the choice to look for a team that matches his skill level. GW2 matches you with randoms so the analogy doesn’t hold up.

I honestly don’t see the point in punishing everybody because one platform wipes. It’s not like we can even influence the outcome or anything. All this does is breed resentment between the players and turn things even more toxic. It’s almost like they want the community to go to kitten.

At least let us help other platforms once we’re finished.

Grimno.6172:

Nike.2631:

I think you’re being punished for being a crappy teacher.

No one shows up with the intent to fail. But they may lack the knowledge needed to win. If you’re so certain that you’ve mastered every nuance of the fight, then you need to master one more: sharing that knowledge.

For someone to be a good teacher, they need people to actually listen to them.
Three times when we’ve had 10 minutes before the fight starts, I would explain as simple and clear as I could how to defeat each champion. And would remind them before they entered their match.
Simple things
“You can only damage him from behind!”
“You need to lure him into his own mines in order to stun him so he can take damage, otherwise you cannot hurt him!”
“He hits like a truck, you have to DPS him down. Range works pretty well with this one!”

And so on.
Explained the tower defense part, the lane numbering system, boss fights and more… and it didn’t help. There are just those who don’t read map chat.

Edit – Just did the one at 7pm EST in an overflow server and my god.
Before the match started, I explained everything in simple detail, did what I could… and in the end.
A Perfect Run.
No fails in any lane… Lane 5 severed the 5th chain for a mission complete.
Was amazing, everyone was cheering and it felt good. When people listen, you can succeed!

You got lucky, ive seen over the last few days dozen of people explain for 20mins + linking website with guides to do it, max we.. well i should say THEY could ever get was 3 chains… How hard is it to hit dodge and dps a boss? Align him toward “insert strategy here”.

In the end bad design choice, sorry Anet, but “You’re only as strong as your weakest link” design philosophy is awful and should be reverted, if another platform need help, your team should be able to move to that platform and help, not just watch and cry…

Couldn’t have said it better than OP.

Have successfully dodged warden 3 and beat him 5 times, but 4/5 on the lane means I don’t get the achieve. Frustrating. I like the fight a lot, but you should get the achieve if your pad succeeds, not entire chain. I understand the succeeding part is to stop people from just dodging around to get achieve, but your pad should be enough.

Shufflepants.9785:

Chris RJ.1843:

Shufflepants.9785:

I think I spotted the problem, Akimbo. I think you’ve confused the word ‘achievement’ with the word ‘entitlement’.

Don’t think he did. Did you read his post?

He achieved the criteria. He and his team defeated his warden and destroyed his regulator. He also avoided getting hit by any marionette attacks.

He was unable to get the points because….someone else failed to do the same thing. Someone he didn’t know, couldn’t rely on, and couldn’t even help. I think you should check the meaning of entitlement again.

It’s like showing up to work every day and then on payday getting nothing because someone else in the office wasn’t working. These achievements are not dependent on your efforts; they should be. His problem with it is reasonable.

Oh, right, I forgot that they credit individual players for winning the world series for having the most RBI’s in a season even when their team loses every single game. Your work analogy is not applicable. Group events are failed or succeed as a group. It is more like a team sport. You don’t “win the game” when you personally score more points than any individual, you only win when your team has more points than the other team. And the OP feels like he deserves to “win the game” even though his team lost.

en·ti·tle·ment
noun
the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)

He feels like he has a right to it when no such right exists.
That is entitlement.

Your sports team analogy is a bad one. There are tryouts for teams. For pro teams, there are drafts. Not everyone makes the team like in GW2. They are ‘instanced’ :P

Of course I would love if it were like a sports team. Are you good? Or are you willing to work hard to be good? Welcome to the team.

Are you kittenty? Are YOU entitled? Do you think you deserve anything for being a bad player who doesn’t help or care about the team? No spot for you on the team then.

Teams also work together whereas the platforms are entirely independent. You also don’t have the option of benching a player if said player is performing poorly.

I wouldn’t mind the event depending on the success of the entire phase if I was able to somehow influence the outcome of the other platforms. But I can’t so it’s a total crapshoot and I really don’t believe in RNG achievements.

Chris RJ.1843:

Of course I would love if it were like a sports team. Are you good? Or are you willing to work hard to be good? Welcome to the team.

Are you kittenty? Are YOU entitled? Do you think you deserve anything for being a bad player who doesn’t help or care about the team? No spot for you on the team then.

But that’s the issue in a nutshell: we have an event that requires skill but is designed around average players.

The problem isn’t with the players. It’s with putting an event requiring skill and coordination in an open world area of a game not aimed at hardcore gamers.

It’s like selecting 5 random people off the street and complaining that they can’t beat an organized basketball team.

The Marionette isn’t as (stupidly) demanding as Tequatl and it can be easily done if:
1- people actually bring lvl 80 chars
2- people learn how to dodge
3- people realize it’s like those old warcraft 3 hero defense maps – just don’t let monsters leak to the portal

Still a few improvements should be done:
1- when teleporting give players a few seconds of invulnerability. I tend to spawn at 50% hp or downed just because the screen doesn’t load fast enough.
(i also don’t want to believe that a platform with 10+ players can get killed so easily even if half the players are that bad)

2- players have to be split more evenly in the platforms. It’s annoying having your platform finish with almost 1min to spare and look at the others struggling to the last second because of lack of manpower.

Shinzan.2908:

Sports teams are made up of people who know each other and learn to work together, and a good player in a bad team has the choice to look for a team that matches his skill level. GW2 matches you with randoms so the analogy doesn’t hold up.

That’s exactly what ANet has asked of its players and what people should be doing right now: learning to work together. Instead of asking for more individual rewards for group content, maybe people should be trying to coordinate better. Instead of telling players how bad they are and expecting to lose, how about encouraging them. Instead of telling people to just go look it up, maybe explain the fight and what people should do before and during the fight. My server, GoM just got our second marionette kill tonight with zero chain fails. It took us a few days, but more and more we’re getting there.

Vol.7601:

I agree with you. I’m disappointed that the achievement is tied to winning the event rather than just focusing on that particular champion fight then and there. It also doesn’t help that everytime you fail, you will have to wait for the next respawn.

So at a minimum (without jumping lanes), you need to dedicate 10 hours to marinette to get all 5 platform achievements. And that doesnt include the fact that you may get hit, or your map may fail, or even that you don’t get the right champion. So you’re more likely going to have to dedicate +50 hours to it.

And all this for temporary content? Not going to happen Anet.

From a business perspective.. (unfortunately many of us forget that’s what GW2 is at the end of the day) the longer ANET can keep players in game, the likelihood is more money will be spent in game as well, so from that point of view having players now have to put in 5 times the amount of time compared to the old log in zergfest content for 20mins then win is a win-win for ANET.
However on the flipside to this players begin to be reluctant to come back and redo the event once its achieved so over the course of the event time, do players actually spend more time/money in game.. I am not convinced personally so this might be cutting their own throats as players tire of the high fail rates and non activity.

If players are now being forced to guest or transfer to a few higher pop servers in order to do content.. then to me that smells of “too many servers for an ailing population”

I am the first to say "oh god not another, the game is dieing threads and I am not saying it is, but I am saying players are tiring of limited time content and mechanics that are non reflective of personal skill/achievement as Marionette clearly ignores.
I have done Marionette 14 times now and still got no further than 4th boss.. but somewhere in the chain (pardon the pun) something fails and all my time and hardwork are thrown out the window, as something I might have done wrong has caused someone else to feel the same anger from the achievement gods.. its wrong and players simply don’t want to come back all that often once they have done it.. as for the WURM well that’s something else entirely.