Guild Wars 2

Subj. Why there are no hints as to what will this update comprise? The video tells almost nothing in this regard, except the fact that there will be 2 world bosses. Duh… Come on a-net, throw us a bone.

I’m sorry what… You want them to tell you every a week in advance. Some of us actually like to experience content rather than read all about it.

If they told you everything that would just ruin it. That’s like someone telling you what your christmas presents are before you open them >.>

FlamingFoxx.1305:

I’m sorry what… You want them to tell you every a week in advance. Some of us actually like to experience content rather than read all about it.

If they told you everything that would just ruin it. That’s like someone telling you what your christmas presents are before you open them >.>

Because they’ve given a run down of every update they’ve done for the last year? If you don’t want to read it you don’t have to, though. So I’m not sure why you’d care.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

I’m sorry what… You want them to tell you every a week in advance. Some of us actually like to experience content rather than read all about it.

If they told you everything that would just ruin it. That’s like someone telling you what your christmas presents are before you open them >.>

And some of us like to read the details in advance, like they’ve facilitated for over a year.
On an unrelated note: my parents didn’t like guessing what I wanted, so they asked me and I was just as excited on Christmas day.

It´s mostly because this update will only consist out of those two bosses and a few gemstore items. Maybe a dialogue here or there as well, but there aren´t real changes to the gameplay with the next 4 updates. They already said that they´d save those for a big patch after the LS part 1

I think most ppl prefer to see the rundown. Those that don’t shouldn’t click the “read more” :-). I personally hope the lack of the rundown is not going to become a recurring event.

If you look around there are hints all over. I’ve figured out quite a bit from different interviews with staff and quotes they drop here and there to get a rather decent idea how this new world boss is gonna work. http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/14/exclusive-preview-of-guild-wars-2s-origin-of-madness-release/

Chaotic Storm.2815:

If you look around there are hints all over. I’ve figured out quite a bit from different interviews with staff and quotes they drop here and there to get a rather decent idea how this new world boss is gonna work. http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/14/exclusive-preview-of-guild-wars-2s-origin-of-madness-release/

No new features, or rewards are listed.

Sina.9208:

Chaotic Storm.2815:

If you look around there are hints all over. I’ve figured out quite a bit from different interviews with staff and quotes they drop here and there to get a rather decent idea how this new world boss is gonna work. http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/14/exclusive-preview-of-guild-wars-2s-origin-of-madness-release/

No new features, or rewards are listed.

They said that all the new features are going to be pushed back to a patch that will happen after the whole Scarlet arc concludes.

They even linked the event page from the youtube video but the page did not exist. Why?

I wasn’t referring to story details (I couldn’t care less actually). I want to know what new balance updates, improved mechanics etc will be included in the patch. Hints of them, not the whole patch notes, as was done a week before each previous update. That’s all. And this time the “read more” seemed like a freaking rip off.

I guess they just wanted it to be a bit of a surprise to everyone. I hate to point to myself as an example but I’m going to in this case.

I clicked on the campaign and saw the trailer. So I watched the trailer and it seemed pretty cool. I then realized that there were no details and thought to myself, “Hmm, why are there no details? Oh well. I guess I’ll find out on patch day.” I then dismissed the idea entirely.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t discuss or speculate or anything like that. I’m just saying try and cool it a little fellas. We’ll find out when we find out. Don’t be that kid in the back of the car who keeps saying, “Are we there yet?”

Thamior.9412:

I wasn’t referring to story details (I couldn’t care less actually). I want to know what new balance updates, improved mechanics etc will be included in the patch. Hints of them, not the whole patch notes, as was done a week before each previous update. That’s all. And this time the “read more” seemed like a freaking rip off.

Those updates aren´t included anyway. They´ll come in a special patch, which is released AFTER the current LS part 1 has finished. So it´ll be late March early April until there´s a patch that includes balance updates/mechanics/skill updates/trait updates.
But the devs already said that in all of those interviews, so having to have a look at those could have been helpful for you

I’m looking forward to the surprise

I don’t want surprise. I expected the update details and got disappointed

Sublimatio.6981:

I don’t want surprise. I expected the update details and got disappointed

I expected the finale to explain stuff, but now we are going to get a giant death robot and an UFO.

Deal with it, it’s all I can say.

Klaatu barada nikto… Scarlett defeated… Moving on

forgive me but i read some place in a link here from wooden potatoes you tube?
i am curious though about the scarlets plot! i am also curious about the up coming patch living story! thats all i have to say it’s in the hands of anet not the spoilers of whats on the web site ls about it

Thamior.9412:

I wasn’t referring to story details (I couldn’t care less actually). I want to know what new balance updates, improved mechanics etc will be included in the patch. Hints of them, not the whole patch notes, as was done a week before each previous update. That’s all. And this time the “read more” seemed like a freaking rip off.

Starting with this update they are changing the format. There will be no balance changes, no mechanics, and no bug fixes in these patches. The next 4 patches will ONLY be LS, nothing else.

After that there will be another break of indeterminate length and then the next patch after that will be a “features update” which will include balance changes, new features, QoL updates and bug fixes. So there will be none of that stuff until then, aka at least March.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Starting with this update they are changing the format. There will be no balance changes, no mechanics, and no bug fixes in these patches. The next 4 patches will ONLY be LS, nothing else.

That is not actually what they have said.
What they have said is that there will be no MAJOR features until after Season 1 of LS is done, but I doubt they will hold off balancing and bug-fixes if those are done just for the sake of doing it.

A lot of people like to look at the release notes to determine weather or not its worth logging in for the next 2 weeks.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Thamior.9412:

I wasn’t referring to story details (I couldn’t care less actually). I want to know what new balance updates, improved mechanics etc will be included in the patch. Hints of them, not the whole patch notes, as was done a week before each previous update. That’s all. And this time the “read more” seemed like a freaking rip off.

Starting with this update they are changing the format. There will be no balance changes, no mechanics, and no bug fixes in these patches. The next 4 patches will ONLY be LS, nothing else.

After that there will be another break of indeterminate length and then the next patch after that will be a “features update” which will include balance changes, new features, QoL updates and bug fixes. So there will be none of that stuff until then, aka at least March.

I think this approach will be a death sentence for them. One of the few things I have enjoyed in WvW, is the occasional influx of nerfs and buffs to skills, bringing up some builds and down others, and playing with how they now work after the changes. Since WvW has by and large not changed, there isn’t much else to look forward to. The ruins and the “leveling tredmill” for the stat points were interesting for at least a week or two, but.. considering the game has been out over a year.

A move to make these sort of changes in a big lump sum once every 3-4 months is not going to work for me. When I can stand in one place and point to things most classes can agree are overpowered, and most classes agree are severely underpowered, and know we are waiting at least 3 months till anything is going to be likely to happen, that isn’t good enough.

If you have the manpower to make 500 changes in 100 days, you have the manpower to make 50 changes every 10 days. And guess what…. if you introduce small batches of new runes, sigils, skill changes… you can balance them against one another and make sure nothing is out of whack.

Or do what every other MMO company does and hurl a grenade into the port-o-john once a quarter.

Brilliant.

I’m not sure I follow the logic. If it takes 1 person 100 days to make a change, I can make 500 changes in 100 days with 500 people. Having 500 people wouldn’t allow me to make 50 changes in 10 days…or even 1 change in 10 days.

I don’t think it works like you are postulating.

Maybe, because its so epic, they don’t want to spoil us for once…. but I think its more likely that they have yet to put up the detail page, the video always comes out first, just give it some time.

Sina.9208:

Chaotic Storm.2815:

If you look around there are hints all over. I’ve figured out quite a bit from different interviews with staff and quotes they drop here and there to get a rather decent idea how this new world boss is gonna work. http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/14/exclusive-preview-of-guild-wars-2s-origin-of-madness-release/

No new features, or rewards are listed.

Most people are more interested in new features than LS, therefore less new features and more LS. Logic.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I’m not sure I follow the logic. If it takes 1 person 100 days to make a change, I can make 500 changes in 100 days with 500 people. Having 500 people wouldn’t allow me to make 50 changes in 10 days…or even 1 change in 10 days.

I don’t think it works like you are postulating.

Depends on what is required for a change. In your case it takes 100 man days per change, so that would mean no matter how many you added the minimum time is 100 man days per change, assuming none of the work could happen concurrently.

Each man week could however produce one fix, meaning each person puts of a fix every week. Still a far fetch high number as hopefully they can fix bugs and make additions faster.

The bottom line is they would be sitting on potential changes for the sake of what? What reason would you hold back incremental changes?

Also I applaud you for grabbing the least relevant part of my post and poking at it.

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I wouldn’t doubt if the update was just the two bosses that drops greens and blues.
I’m calling out this for what it is. You can be angry, but when it happens just don’t direct that anger on me.

Soulstar.7812:

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I wouldn’t doubt if the update was just the two bosses that drops greens and blues.
I’m calling out this for what it is. You can be angry, but when it happens just don’t direct that anger on me.

No one cares about you, though.

I doubt that anyone will remember your ID, whether the update results being good or bad.

Well so much for delivering game features and patches with the living story updates. We’re back to having bigger patches every 3 months or so. In the meantime, we’ll get small “content” patches with 1-2 hours worth of fun stuff to do and a bunch of grindy achievements, coupled with new gem store items.

I’m starting to feel we’re now getting the worst of two worlds. Bi-weekly temporary content that forces us to play and grind, while having to wait longer for the meaningful features.

Ahwell.

I’m pretty sure there will be some kind of storyline in this update. You talk to NPCs and they give you directions where to go etc, like we had in some of the Living Story updates. You collected items, put em together and followed a story through a zone or two.

I hope they do this again, it was really good way to do the story, while moving you to point of interest for the Living Story. (the two new bosses and their meaning, more about Scarlet, how evil, intelligent and devious she is, what will come next etc).

I think there’s no detail simply because there won’t be anything else at all, just those 2 things for LS and a few bugfixes for sPvP.

People seem to forget (or ignore in order to “validate” their “arguments”) that we had more or less no details at all for the Queens Jubilee update, and yet it had rather much stuff when it was actually released.

a world boss and an event boss is plenty enough for me.. as long as they keep to their word this time and unfold this ‘living story’ in a less cartoonish fashion.. and i do enjoy some cartoons, so i’m saying a lot with that statement

lordkrall.7241:

People seem to forget (or ignore in order to “validate” their “arguments”) that we had more or less no details at all for the Queens Jubilee update, and yet it had rather much stuff when it was actually released.

My idea also, the update page didn’t actually said what was gonna happen..
It hinted at some things, just like the video does now.

i think everybody here had an email about this our story so far
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liUBhhD1Q_M.
then a few days later the trailer came up on the orgins of maddness
they had a livestream about it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9vBS7vgebw
but other then that i am counting down the days for the release XD!

So, the preview page never gives details in bug fixing or balancing adjustments. It’s always just been more of a roadmap to the new content that is coming and also would mention any new features added in like the LFG tool or Crafting to 500 or something along those lines.

From reading articles and Developer posts, we know that features won’t be coming. It doesn’t mean we won’t get bug fixes and balancing adjustments. Yes, we won’t get a huge balancing fix like we did in December.

I also believe they did this one other time. I can’t remember which update it was, but I believe the preview page didn’t go fully up until the live patch was released to the community. They do keep hinting that these two bosses are not the only things coming.

lordkrall.7241:

People seem to forget (or ignore in order to “validate” their “arguments”) that we had more or less no details at all for the Queens Jubilee update, and yet it had rather much stuff when it was actually released.

But at least Queens Jubilee had a release page. This one still doesn’t, and most likely won’t get one till actual patch notes are released…

skullmount.1758:

lordkrall.7241:

People seem to forget (or ignore in order to “validate” their “arguments”) that we had more or less no details at all for the Queens Jubilee update, and yet it had rather much stuff when it was actually released.

But at least Queens Jubilee had a release page. This one still doesn’t, and most likely won’t get one till actual patch notes are released…

We have a page, it’s just different in its content.
U could see the announcement they made bout finishing the story as sort of a release page….

skullmount.1758:

lordkrall.7241:

People seem to forget (or ignore in order to “validate” their “arguments”) that we had more or less no details at all for the Queens Jubilee update, and yet it had rather much stuff when it was actually released.

But at least Queens Jubilee had a release page. This one still doesn’t, and most likely won’t get one till actual patch notes are released…

The release page for Queens Jubilee just said that Queen Jennah had a big announcement and that was it.

Of course we got the Scarlet mini dungeon in the Crown Pavilion as well as the Scarlet Invasions.

I don’t want too many hints, but I do agree. The video gave us literally nothing other than, “Giant WURRRRM AND ROBOT! Guitar solo, also scarlets MAD THIS TIME nuh nuh nuh nuh nuhhhhhh!!”

After watching it a couple more times the bosses do have a nifty design from what I can see, but literally not a story hint of value anywhere in there. Guess we’ll just have to wait. My hatred over Scarlet has mellowed out by a large margin since they revealed

http://youtu.be/Dzpmj0PKXBk

I would like to see the update page at least after the content is released.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Soulstar.7812:

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I wouldn’t doubt if the update was just the two bosses that drops greens and blues.
I’m calling out this for what it is. You can be angry, but when it happens just don’t direct that anger on me.

No one cares about you, though.

I doubt that anyone will remember your ID, whether the update results being good or bad.

see.. hate. my point.

Soulstar.7812:

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Soulstar.7812:

Standby

PREPARE FOR DISAPPOINTMENT

I wouldn’t doubt if the update was just the two bosses that drops greens and blues.
I’m calling out this for what it is. You can be angry, but when it happens just don’t direct that anger on me.

No one cares about you, though.

I doubt that anyone will remember your ID, whether the update results being good or bad.

see.. hate. my point.

Say something inflammatory and predict a negative response, lol.

Also, on topic, we can expect bug fixes and balance updates to occur just as always. QoL, additional features, and content outside of the living world will be added outside of the 2 week update frame…because people kept asking for longer periods between updates…

Imo, they also need a way of making portions of LS playable by anyone who has missed out. All the work has already been done for the most part; it doesn’t seem too difficult to allow players to revisit old instances with art-cutscenes to fill in the gaps.

Bonus Mission Pack: GW2 style?

I don’t know. How would they do something like the Tower? or the Crown Pavilion. If they were instanced, I’m not sure 5, or less, people could complete it. If they weren’t, then, at least in the case of the Tower, how would the Tower be destroyed and still intact both?

I’m not against having content be replayable, but there are some problems with some of it in a Living World.

I’m just going to assume it’s just the two world bosses and nothing else until I see it, better to have no expectation and be surprised than have expectations and be disappointed.