Guild Wars 2

Maybe some Blacktiders will empathise with us after what happened last week. /wishful thinking.

Good luck and have fun everyone!

I’d like to thank all those BT for camping towards the end of EB jp and killing everyone one by one. Thanks…real cool of you.

Hamham.7504:

Maybe some Blacktiders will empathise with us after what happened last week. /wishful thinking.

Good luck and have fun everyone!

It wasn’t so bad, especially that insanely long fight between garrison and Dawns on thursday, no stacking, no fields, no condition removal, just kitten loads of siege and 100 rambo’s on the field. It was tons of fun, thanks for that FoW.

This current match up is proving to be a good one! I really enjoyed tonight’s to-and-fro in EB and BT BL – just sorry that I couldn’t stay up longer to see more of my EU-based buddies…! (friends and foes!). Greetings from Down Under

Hey Vabbi.
Clever idea to take Bay while we were defending Hills from Blacktide. Also very clever to take Woodhaven and attack western garrison while Blacktide was pressing us kitten the eastern side.
Very clever except for the fact that we are now going to beat the living crap out of you until the rest of your days.
I heard talk about a “pact” with Vabbi. Well there is a pact written in blood on the very soul of Fissure of Woe and it says “Destroy Vabbi”.
Enjoy your victory while it lasts.

I’m so bored of WvW. Facing odds you know you can’t win against gets old.

So finally after siege lasting at least 4h or so, we captured FoW garri; u are great in defending. It was great fight when we were forced to push each other between garri and tower to stop u from destroying our trebs (and u still menaged to destroy them once or twice).

Also encountered some nice skirmishes during dolyak hunt and camp capping to cut off ur supplies.

Really hope that there will be more actions like this during this week

Royce Melborn.3276:

Hey Vabbi.
Clever idea to take Bay while we were defending Hills from Blacktide. Also very clever to take Woodhaven and attack western garrison while Blacktide was pressing us kitten the eastern side.
Very clever except for the fact that we are now going to beat the living crap out of you until the rest of your days.
I heard talk about a “pact” with Vabbi. Well there is a pact written in blood on the very soul of Fissure of Woe and it says “Destroy Vabbi”.
Enjoy your victory while it lasts.

If [Jd]‘s head wasn’t stuck up its own kitten , we’d work with you and fissure, but no screw [Jd].

I’ll stand up for both Vabbi and FoW when bigger and better servers talk crap about us, but I wont stand for the FoW big wana be dogs [J-kitten-d], as far as I see it, you had your chance to work with vabbi but you contiune to screw us over, so yes, when we see blacktide trash your server and your gona try and defend, we’re gona come block you from getting in to defend like we did an hour ago. Enjoy a forever green borderland, because we’re gona make your life hell and keep you in the lowest of the low tiers.

Rise up [Jd], and get knocked back down.

There was a pact, but like I said the head of [Jd] aka your stupid leader wont accept the offer so screw it. :P

Vabbi will be forever green, and we’re gona keep you here aswell!

Shoutout to the Blacktide zerg that trampled Fissure of Woe, we didn’t have contact with you, but we decided to help you!

Sure lets make a pact so you can hide behind one of your kittening alt Guilds again and claim it was a miscommunication between Guilds again.

Like I told Hybrid, we had no intention of coming to your Borderland this week, unless you came to ours. Game on as usual.

Blame the Fissure of Woe guild [YORK] & [DE] for flipping our camps since reset, we got sick of it.

Hybrid organised the dual attack on your borderlands last night, sadly I missed it.

Blacktide golem watchmen looking over Woodhaven in FoW borderland.

http://imgur.com/Thb2z5t
http://imgur.com/sbx0Pbw

your graphic settings makes me more sad than seeing woodhaven conquered and golems on the vista. lol.

Sorry, but im forced to play on 4 year old laptop (integrated graphics card) with 5-20 fps and that is on all lowest settings.

Indeed, it came to my attention that the relation between Vabbi and FoW has cooled intensively..

I was able to get pass some Vabbi in EB (while they were rushing the keep in their valley), so nothing was wrong at that point. But then all of a sudden some kitten guild(s) from FoW start to hit on Vabbi BL?
So the reaction of Vabbi is very understandable, and the counterreactions to it also.. But the trigger here are those kitten guilds from FoW that dared aggro’ing Vabbi..

Nevertheless, I’m still one of the few who honours the old alliance: I will never ever strike at Vabbi BL, unless they are starting to rush ours.. May we meet in EB for some nice battles!

(for the third server in our underdog tier: have fun, be gentle and show some respect to the lesser populated servers – know that the few you see in WvW are there by choice, so they want to make a difference to their world, no matter how small)

Ok, this explains some things I guess. I still would like to honour the old alliance so I can focus on fighting BT, the ones who are going to win this matchup. I see no point in fighting Vabbi other then to defend myself when needed…

Peace!

Tribio.8531:

Indeed, it came to my attention that the relation between Vabbi and FoW has cooled intensively..

I was able to get pass some Vabbi in EB (while they were rushing the keep in their valley), so nothing was wrong at that point. But then all of a sudden some kitten guild(s) from FoW start to hit on Vabbi BL?
So the reaction of Vabbi is very understandable, and the counterreactions to it also.. But the trigger here are those kitten guilds from FoW that dared aggro’ing Vabbi..

Nevertheless, I’m still one of the few who honours the old alliance: I will never ever strike at Vabbi BL, unless they are starting to rush ours.. May we meet in EB for some nice battles!

(for the third server in our underdog tier: have fun, be gentle and show some respect to the lesser populated servers – know that the few you see in WvW are there by choice, so they want to make a difference to their world, no matter how small)

Legends Of Woe & myself setup the old alliance we had back a few months ago, he was the FoW liaison, and I was the Vabbi one. I myself personally wont attack Fissure of Woe players, unless they draw first blood or are from [Jd], but thats a story for another time.

Vabbi has contacts within FoW, and vice versa. It’s actually nice to see them help us, and we help them aswell. All we wanted to do was actually make it a 2v1 fight where both servers/realms stood a good chance. But its impossible when the alliance was first broke by FoW, they captured our BL, next day the alliance was completely broken, and we then helped BT wipe FoW. Vabbi also has contacts in Arberstone and Blacktide, so when FoW try and screw us over we get the zerg directed at FoW.

Trick.9370:

Ok, this explains some things I guess. I still would like to honour the old alliance so I can focus on fighting BT, the ones who are going to win this matchup. I see no point in fighting Vabbi other then to defend myself when needed…

Peace!

I’m sure many feel the same on both side, but there is guilds that wont listen. It’s a nice idea but wont be doable ever again aslong as fow guilds attack our borderlands.

YuGiOh.4906:

I’m sure many feel the same on both side, but there is guilds that wont listen. It’s a nice idea but wont be doable ever again aslong as fow guilds attack our borderlands.

Completely agree here.. It’s a shame that the power trip of some FoW guilds made this alliance “wonky”..

Oh well, let’s see how it progresses of course.. I do hope that in time the alliance settles and we can work again together as a nice underdog team to show our mutual enemy some respect for T9..

(on a sidenote: the times I will be at Vabbi BL, it’s pure for duelling, will not even cap a sentry)

Wow, lot of anger spilling round here. Personal attacks and inferences of “power-tripping”.

YuGiOh, just because we didn’t accept this alliance, for which was never put to the server as a whole, but to a few select groups, you seem to be going apekitten. This Legends Of Woe seems to be a bit self-entitled if he has classed himself as “FoW liason” as he’s not prominent enough within the community for me to remember him! (Where was my vote; Hamham or Koas would win for sure! ^^ )

How would Mr. Pug ever know that this was in place, and if he were to take a supply camp you’d have reached the same conclusion you have now.
This futile proposal could never be enforced to a point where both sides were happy.

It is also outside the spirit of WvWvW (see 3 teams all versus each other). It’s fundamentally detrimental to FoW’s rating as it ‘stops’ access to a 1/3 of the map. An easier 3rd to take I might add. If the ‘alliance’ allowed you to hold your BL all week it would only erode our rating, because of previous scores.

If the role’s were reversed then I don’t think you’d be welcoming it with open arms.

I wanted to applaud you for what you’re trying to (no matter how impossible it is), but I am soured by the comments in this thread.
So go whisper to your friends at Arborstone and Blacktide, it seems you’ll make ‘friends’ with anyone just to do a little bit better.

YuGiOh.4906:

Vabbi also has contacts in Arberstone and Blacktide, so when FoW try and screw us over we get the zerg directed at FoW.

This explains a lot. When Hybrid threatened to set Arborstone on us (after he tried to take dawns while arbor were pressing garri, so we stole mendons) I didn’t believe him. After seeing how he behaves in game though, I’m not surprised.
I always thought that since we sometimes put up a good defence that you(Vabbi) were capping stuff in peace in part due to us. But I see now it was planned.

By the way, I prefer to focus on whoever is green but it’s hard when there’s Vabbi groups cutting our supply/attacking our BL. ;<

Mantis.3026:

It is also outside the spirit of WvWvW (see 3 teams all versus each other). It’s fundamentally detrimental to FoW’s rating as it ‘stops’ access to a 1/3 of the map. An easier 3rd to take I might add. If the ‘alliance’ allowed you to hold your BL all week it would only erode our rating, because of previous scores.

Yeah, we noticed that this weekend.. That easier 3rd was taken, and before we knew it all was lost in EB and our BL, since Vabbi and BT joined forces.. Nice thinking there..

I do have the most of respect for [Jd] (even having done some PvP this weekend with them), but I’m a bit shocked to see how much respect (some of) [Jd] seem to have for its own server population?
No offence meant, btw..

TL;DR: If you don’t bother about the “alliance” and you wanna kitten Vabbi in their BL, make sure you have the numbers present to defend when they start aggro’ing us. I can only applaud Vabbi’s reactions, tbh..

@Tribio – Did you mean, respect or lack thereof on our parts? If you have an example where I have spoke out of turn, I’d be glad to make it clearer as I have no issues with our server population at all.
Talking about how Vabbi & Blacktide joining forces doesn’t really prove that having it as a 3way battle doesn’t work for us?

Strategically, of course I can applaud Vabbi’s actions; tis a sweet move and i would of done the same (This move should be happening more frequently, with everyone out for everyone, creating an exciting and dynamic battleground.) I perhaps wouldn’t of tried to cuddle up to FoW first and then try to justify their actions by pointing fingers at us when I’m playing as intended and has been balanced around. For all intensive purposes how was i supposed to know?

Actually having 2 different sets of enemies on the map is exactly what i want. From my point of view; it’s not about “kitten Vabbi in their BL” – it’s about what is the easiest to capture and hold at any given point to cumulatively give us the best points per tick.

Numbers when defending is another issue, for another time.

Mantis.3026:

@Tribio – Did you mean, respect or lack thereof on our parts? If you have an example where I have spoke out of turn, I’d be glad to make it clearer as I have no issues with our server population at all.
Talking about how Vabbi & Blacktide joining forces doesn’t really prove that having it as a 3way battle doesn’t work for us?

Hey Mantis, before those words of mine start to live their own life, I meant here that it seems to me [Jd] just didn’t bother about the impact of their actions.. Never ever did [Jd] spoke out of turn or showed disrespect to FoW (maybe my words were not chosen correctly).

Mantis.3026:

Actually having 2 different sets of enemies on the map is exactly what i want. From my point of view; it’s not about “kitten Vabbi in their BL” – it’s about what is the easiest to capture and hold at any given point to cumulatively give us the best points per tick.

Aye, pure WvW is indeed like this.. But it’s clear that in WvW there is more at play than “taking out the smallest competitor”. We know that Blacktide has to start messing in EB and FoW/Vabbi BL to get their points up. So it speaks for itself that Vabbi and FoW should defend themselves against this big Goliath server. Starting some internal wars between the two David’s will only yield in Goliath’s victory, for sure..

Like it or not, Vabbi and FoW are teamed together due to their underdog position. And in a real war the underdogs will unite to fight against the bigger enemy..
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend”

Hamham.7504:

By the way, I prefer to focus on whoever is green but it’s hard when there’s Vabbi groups cutting our supply/attacking our BL. ;<

You can thank Jd for that one too. They stopped us re-taking Arah in our borders last night so we had no supply going to bay where most of our pop were trying to hold off BT. I got the camp down to just the guild lord when Jd turned up and stealth wacked then took it. Guess which border my next solo camp caps were on? Sorry you were distracted but if your own guilds were helping on your own border you might have more success maybe?

Mantis.3026:

From my point of view; it’s not about “kitten Vabbi in their BL” – it’s about what is the easiest to capture and hold at any given point to cumulatively give us the best points per tick.

You come to Vabbi because we are “easiest”? Well that works both ways, especially when your camps are so ridiculously easy to take. Sorry if that causes a supply shortage in your towers and I’ll send a box of chocolates to the widows of those noobs left defending if it helps. Compared to trying to defend our borders against two servers though it was just… y’know… easy! You might want to think about that.

Tribio.8531:

Hey Mantis, before those words of mine start to live their own life, I meant here that it seems to me [Jd] just didn’t bother about the impact of their actions.. Never ever did [Jd] spoke out of turn or showed disrespect to FoW (maybe my words were not chosen correctly).

Since people are bringing up stuff that happened months ago I’ll have to once again clarify what happened, again.

1. Our so called “liason” did not approach us or inform us in any way of any “Alliance” between the servers. The first person to tell me about it was Jamo when we were already attacking them. This is despite the fact that I was the most active Commander in the weeks before this went down.

2. We didn’t strike first, in fact we didn’t have any interest in attacking Vabbi as we were too busy fighting in our borderland at the time. They came after us with sizeable groups in our borderland, under the guise of their [WvW] tag.

3. We took all 3 of their Keeps on the night we “broke the alliance” with 6 Jd and 2 random players, despite them attempting to defend 2 of the keeps.

So yeah, you’ll have to forgive us for not wanting to work with them and a couple of the Guilds on our server these days. I’m sure some people will be along to deny all this soon but this is what happened from our point of view.

I’m only one person and I have no control over what anyone else does. I don’t go to your BL even when you come to ours. I could make snide comments if you’d like though. Which guild tag do you run? [LNA] Asura Guradian? He’s the only guy I see solo caping camps.

If we start going down the ‘we attacked you because you did first!’ path we’ll be stuck with each other forever. It all seems to petty.

Pewintodo.4138:

Hamham.7504:

By the way, I prefer to focus on whoever is green but it’s hard when there’s Vabbi groups cutting our supply/attacking our BL. ;<

You can thank Jd for that one too. They stopped us re-taking Arah in our borders last night so we had no supply going to bay where most of our pop were trying to hold off BT. I got the camp down to just the guild lord when Jd turned up and stealth wacked then took it. Guess which border my next solo camp caps were on? Sorry you were distracted but if your own guilds were helping on your own border you might have more success maybe?

Hilariously, you can thank LST for that, since we just were doing what they did to us.

To be honest… I thought FoW would have put up a better fight when we helped BT wipe Bay.

I didn’t think you’d let us 2 man your Garrison last night either, but oh well.

Jeezes people, take out the flame from this thread please.. FoW points Vabbi, Vabbi points FoW.. Only one laughing is the third player: Blacktide..

-Ueee he hit me!!
-Noo I hit you because you hit me first!
-No you are the one who started!

Ladies please stop it already. This is just embarassing.
We make alliances and we break them. Politics is about backstabbing each other. This is dirty business and you know that. So everything is how it should be, otherwise all this stuff would be boring.
But dont cross the red line too much (because even in politics and war there are some lines) and respect your enemy (and ally as well – for those who forget about that) so we all have more fun from game.

War. War never changes

@Vabbi’s

I am a FoW commander during weekend and some evenings during working days. I for one only attack at Vabbi BL when i see the 3th server attacking you there. (with you defending and us taking green towers/camps we help you). If i see a Vabbi in any BL walking around i dont ever engage and prevent others around me from engaging in a fight. It is only natural the 2 smaller servers fight against the bigger one. As for most servers our tier is called boring or worse so we should at least show together we can put up a good fight. We can’t win but we gain at least both earn respect. All this trash mess from both sides is insane. None can speak for a server nor can anyone control all but we can almost both make sure the majority will not attack eachother.

Now time to play and kick some BT kitten

vabbi border is my favourite, i always go there and spend lot of time in it, and you know why? cause it’s the easiest way to access green server’s spawn. on the way i cap camps (usual stuff), but i always avoid attacking vabbi camps , always try to be nice with vabbis when i meet them, using and abusing emotes to let them know i’m “friendly”, hell we even help vabbi sometime (we stopped several times green golems going out of the spawn, i help vabbis take camps sometimes, that kind of stuff, even if it’s rare it happens), we’re absolutely not forced to do that. hmm well, most of the time i get attacked on sight, or even better, the other day, vabbi helped us push back some bts attacking one of their tower, we were fighting side by side, that was really pleasant to see, then once the battle finished, they decided that ganking us would be a good thing to do (and they knew that we were friendly, we were walking together before and i even chatted with some). doesn’t really motive fow to respect that so called pact, really, please don’t say that we are always doing the first moves against you, you can go and help whatever green server we’re matched against but you have to realize that what you do isn’t just rightful retaliation like you seem to believe. (also, please excuse my english, i may skip words sometime, no aggressivity intended ^^)

Mantis.3026:

So go whisper to your friends at Arborstone and Blacktide, it seems you’ll make ‘friends’ with anyone just to do a little bit better.

After this post I try and not to be horrible again to fow, or do personal attacks.

As active players in WvW, we’ll make friends with anyone yes. I tend invite both fow, bt and even the recent rof players into our parties at times, to see if they’re friendly, it’s usually the roamers that get invited.

It’s best to make friends, as when it comes down to it, its better than making enemies. You can ask them anything, like if we’re doing a JP, like in EB, and some dont know the way, or short cuts, I’ll help them. It’s still a game after all.

I can’t honestly say that my guild will attack fow, but personally I don’t do it, fow is like the big brother server of vabbi. Like it or not some of out commanders learn from the epic scale fights you guys put up on reset. Lag wars.

When vabbi gets trashed, again, and again, we dont complain. We’re sitting on teamspeak making strategies, anything to combat the constant outmanned. Weither is be a roaming team just capturing for flipping camps, to a mesmer hiding inside a keep/tower.

Just to make it clear, we have friends in BT & AS, but what do you think happens when they’re finished wiping you lot? alot more come to vabbi, its dirty tactics, but hey we knew that would happen.

Best of luck to all three servers. This is the most fun vabbi has had since the last time we played!

You know the hypocrisy is what bothers me most about Vabbi. I don’t care whatsoever about your bloody BL. If I have to take a few camps to get my dailys I always go to green borderland because I find it the logical thing to do to hurt the strongest server in the match-up. All the while there is talk about a “pact” with Vabbi (about which none of the leaders of the main guilds were ever informed). I honestly don’t care about that pact since I’m too busy defending and upgrading our BL to care about Vabbi BL but then all of a sudden Vabbi sneaks in and takes advantage of us being hard pressed by Blacktide on the eastern side of the map. Why? Because some [York] guild took camps (obviously green anyway) in your BL?
But yeah, obviously it was [Jd]s fault again!
Sorry but that’s pathetic! On one hand you say you’d like to have a pact with FoW but in the same post you tell us about your “friends and contacts” in Blacktide and how you direct their zerg at us. Probably proposing a pact to them as well. I for one had enough of this Vabbian hypocrisy. Thus my initial post here in this thread.
I still don’t care enough about Vabbi to go to your borderland while we are actually able to achieve something in our BL but if I see a Vabbian anywhere he is dead.

It’s getting hot in here.

Well this is interesting :L Imma just ignore this whole who’s fault it is and give props too blacktide for not coming on the forums to moan about how they were put in the kitten tier. Instead we got people arguing about who broke an alliance that everyone knows will never last, sorry to say :P I wish it would because I wanna get rid of you guys!

I’m finding the flying Blacktide quite amusing at the moment.

Now he is running around on a Mesmer at warp speed, this is great.

Royce Melborn.3276:

But yeah, obviously it was [Jd]s fault again!
Sorry but that’s pathetic! On one hand you say you’d like to have a pact with FoW but in the same post you tell us about your “friends and contacts” in Blacktide and how you direct their zerg at us.

You know what..
Just no.. I said I wouldnt.

Go on home Royce, go on home.

I’m kind of hoping that WSR, BT, FoW & Vabbi all get merged together now, it’s clearly gona be a blast. 90%+ maybe coverage? 100% internal fighting. Joy

Gota love a good argument.

That argument between FoW and Vabbi is ridiculous. But to join the fun I will add my own thoughts:

• an alliance between FoW and Vabbi seems beneficial to both servers, for they have better chances to hold against the 3rd green server.
• to go for the easiest target is a viable strategy, but I think it’s short sided and uniting against the stronger server is in cases of BT or WSR (still managable WvW population) for the benefits of both servers.
• breaking of this alliance happens due to no command strucutre on both servers, there is no central server government

I personally have no respect for FoW going after camps, towers and keeps owned by Vabbi in Vabbi BL, the same counts for Vabbi taking stuff from FoW in FoW BL. However EB is a free for all, from my personal standpoint. However, joining Vabbi in the fight against green is fun. I once attacked a small green Zerg from behind, while they attacked Vabbi Keep in EB and I feared them in Keep defenders (I didn’t survive long, but I could collect a nice ammount of loot before I died^^).

I say stop this ‘you hit me I hit you back’-mentality and start stepping up your game. Both Vabbi and FoW could do way better in WvW of we would stop kittening arround.

Guys keep it civil its just a game

This whole alliance idea just dont works in openworld pvp with that many different people playing, there is allways someone who dont cares about it, due to various reasons (not knowing/agreeing about it, personal reasons, bloodlust…). Imo it can work on a personal/guild scale, but everything beyond is wishful thinking and not really desirable (because more often than not you’ll see the 2 big ones banding vs the small one). Wvw is chaotic pvp after all.

I’m from vabbi and i hold it pretty much like Dopamine (except i’m guilty for sometimes going beserk and engageing other roamers from fow, mostly because i’m starved out on having no good fights and bored about me doing only pve).

From a stategical view its only logical to fokus on the big servers camps/players no matter on what map, so thats what i’m doing most of the times.
On the other hand i had the best fights in the last weeks (i took a break from gw2 in november – allready feel like the next one is near :/) with people from fow. Close fights are what i enjoy the most, no matter if winning or loosing.

Sadly its hard the distinguish between players in gw2, apart from the guildtags – i really miss the option to develop “archenemies” in this game. Thats allways been one of my longtime motivations in openworld pvp, killing the guy that has killed me so often before is just much more fun and reward than killing 100 faceless enemies. Funny enough some of those became good gamerfriends to me, imo respect is the keyword.

Bil.6354:

i really miss the option to develop “archenemies” in this game. Thats allways been one of my longtime motivations in openworld pvp, killing the guy that has killed me so often before is just much more fun and reward than killing 100 faceless enemies.

Although I approve with your entire post, I just wanted to quote this excellent suggestion.. I’d love to see that..

archenemies… ohhh indeed that would be great

A small team from Ferguson’s Crossing [Deth] is visiting vabbi for a week and we are in search of some good 1v1s or some 5v5s if you guys are down send me a message so we can arrange something!

Also to our new Vabbian friends: our leader wants to beat a new server in our match up so the 15 man havoc crew may not show up till next week but lets keep our fingers crossed, there is still a chance of them showing up!

Welcome to T9 for a week! What made you visit if you don’t mind me asking?

Edit: I should take my own advice.

looks like vabbi get strong nightcapping visitors

that could explain why vabbi ticks with 490 at the moment

edit: now iam on vabbi too

i like vabbi

Thinking about taking a Summer Vacation on Vabbi for the next two weeks, too.

Too much drama in the top three tiers (1st world problems, so to speak).

how about reinforcing Fissure?
no one want to take a vacation here?

+550 for Vabbi I must have been asleep ^^

more like +35 right now. Everything’s back to normal