Guild Wars 2

Molestee.9172:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzPvWVHAqWA

Bit of footage from reset. STUN rolling Mag.

lol i wouldn’t call winning 3 fights rolling mag. Since most of reset stun,pink and the pugs were hiding in west keep and kept running then wp when mag found them open field

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Zerker works fine for most professions in open field.

fabz.4736:

Molestee.9172:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzPvWVHAqWA

Bit of footage from reset. STUN rolling Mag.

lol i wouldn’t call winning 3 fights rolling mag. Since most of reset stun,pink and the pugs were hiding in west keep and kept running then wp when mag found them open field

The examples in question feature STUN rolling mag, so I thought I’d give people a valid description

Molestee.9172:

fabz.4736:

Molestee.9172:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzPvWVHAqWA

Bit of footage from reset. STUN rolling Mag.

lol i wouldn’t call winning 3 fights rolling mag. Since most of reset stun,pink and the pugs were hiding in west keep and kept running then wp when mag found them open field

The examples in question feature STUN rolling mag, so I thought I’d give people a valid description

I would refrain from making statements like this when we have footage of pink and stun running from VR in six different fights.

Truearrow.3527:

Molestee.9172:

fabz.4736:

Molestee.9172:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzPvWVHAqWA

Bit of footage from reset. STUN rolling Mag.

lol i wouldn’t call winning 3 fights rolling mag. Since most of reset stun,pink and the pugs were hiding in west keep and kept running then wp when mag found them open field

The examples in question feature STUN rolling mag, so I thought I’d give people a valid description

I would refrain from making statements like this when we have footage of pink and stun running from VR in six different fights.

Good for you man. I also have plenty more footage of mag running away, but I think 7 minutes is long enough for this kind of video.
If you have good footage of your own feel free to post it

Evalana.5480:

Jereme.1840:

Thought I’d never say this But Ark please Un-Blob

LOL – Our guild is running 12-15 people – your blobs have forced us to party up with one other guild that runs about 15-20…. l2count.

STUN was only running about 10-15 with a couple pugs for most of the night. We might’ve had 20 on right at reset, but I’m not even sure about that bc the queues were all wonky.

We had some awesome fights on MagBL, tho. ESPECIALLY WITH INC. You guys are tough!

Yall just kiss and do a gvg

and don’t announce gvg’s

This thread is all fine and dandy, but Mag’s been waiting forever to fight the top 3, not these run-of-the-mill t2 scraps.

katniss.6735:

This thread is all fine and dandy, but Mag’s been waiting forever to fight the top 3, not these run-of-the-mill t2 scraps.

Lol, you can’t even handle these “scraps” much less T1.

All the trash talk, none of you will GvG. Just sayin

This has been the most fun that I’ve had in WvW in a long time. I sure wouldn’t mind having more than 1 week of this matchup!

style.6173:

This has been the most fun that I’ve had in WvW in a long time. I sure wouldn’t mind having more than 1 week of this matchup!

you get it again in the last week.

Evalana.5480:

Jereme.1840:

Evalana.5480:

Jereme.1840:

Thought I’d never say this But Ark please Un-Blob

LOL – Our guild is running 12-15 people – your blobs have forced us to party up with one other guild that runs about 15-20…. l2count.

Learn not to be a server doorknob, besides that, it’s more than 15 inc/ark. Clearly all the server jumping has taken it’s toll on you.

Just don’t QQ about blobs when you use 40+ to run over 23.

We don’t have 40+

Of course the server jumping has taken it’s toll on me…. which is why I finally settled on Mag.

We just asked for numbers. 29 INC+15 Ark = 44 right?

Molestee.9172:

Truearrow.3527:

Molestee.9172:

fabz.4736:

Molestee.9172:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzPvWVHAqWA

Bit of footage from reset. STUN rolling Mag.

lol i wouldn’t call winning 3 fights rolling mag. Since most of reset stun,pink and the pugs were hiding in west keep and kept running then wp when mag found them open field

The examples in question feature STUN rolling mag, so I thought I’d give people a valid description

I would refrain from making statements like this when we have footage of pink and stun running from VR in six different fights.

Good for you man. I also have plenty more footage of mag running away, but I think 7 minutes is long enough for this kind of video.
If you have good footage of your own feel free to post it

Mmm yes that frustrating feeling when you think you’re going to get a good fight out of someone and they turn and run, I’m glad our pubbies gave you a taste of that.

Evalana.5480:

What? We have 13 online, with 1 not repping, and 1 afk… INC has 24 online, and have some afk as well, not to mention the several INC scouting.. o.O Please stop complaining.

I’m just complaining so it won’t be so one sided by mid week! I mean I could just dig up old Mag match-up threads and show you what complaining is, But I’m sure you’re well aware. Yeah, nice!!!! number count was around an hour ago when we asked but w/e any excuse is a good one I assume.

TG is looking for GvG’s

Send out your champion we will send ours. Gladiator style you know.

Thought TG was in DB o.o?

[TG]’s cholesterol levels covers many of servers.

Come 1v1 me, bro.

SoS

Stop crossing lanes, it’s not ending well for you

kerona.3465:

For some reason it hadn’t gotten through my head that other servers with stronger Oceanic presence would suppress SoS’s Oceanic, which was their only way to gain points on us normally.

We might not get last place in this. Mixed feelings.

That has always been the way. Mag just need to attack SoS and only SoS during Oceanic times, and they will get second. Of course this means you are playing for second…

INC sort of semi-pugged behind Ark because we had no driver, and we got a group of 40 strong between the two of us.

I guess we didn’t think about either TC or SoS having complaints about our 40 man zerg.

Good fights to both of you, and sorry we zerged so hard. Next time we will be likely our usual separated 15/25 man groups.

Good fights tonight

Still looking for 15/20s GvG, any weeknight we will be game

This is for TC…Behind the windmill is the place where everyone duels. You rolling through with a squad of people for no reason, when everyone knows what the windmill is, just to feel good. Good job.

NeroGuilt.4720:

This is for TC…Behind the windmill is the place where everyone duels. You rolling through with a squad of people for no reason, when everyone knows what the windmill is, just to feel good. Good job.

You’re just free counts towards their WvW Season 1 achievements. Nothing wrong with that.

Good fights tonight, thanks to everyone who followed me around in the dark hours…some nice stuff!

Pinko.2076:

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Zerker works fine for most professions in open field.

I took you seriously initially and then looked at your tag.

Shunt.6254:

All the trash talk, none of you will GvG. Just sayin

Ill Guy vs Guy you… unless youre a woman… then you gtfo.

Seigfried.5938:

Pinko.2076:

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Zerker works fine for most professions in open field.

I took you seriously initially and then looked at your tag.

It’s true. Over 50% of professions can play zerker and do fine in zerg fights open field.

Blah blah blah, I have a cold. If I get better before the end of the week, [PYRO] is accepting GvGs, 10 or 15v.

dreztina.4820:

Le Rooster.8715:

I have to give a shout out to KH from TC, you guys are an absolute pain to deal with but i have to thank you for wiping us over and over again. It’s better to reinforce the notion that the new PvE’ers who are testing Wvwers to get tankier gear and training in WVW if they are repeatedly wiping.

Maybe if you told new players who are struggling to get better instead of just going ptv and facetanking damage zergers wouldn’t be so god awful.

Hahahaha it’s like you’ve been reading SBI map chat. General consensus of advice to new players was “get out of zerk get into PTV”…. sigh.

Finally found my way to the forums. Hi everyone, great match up this week have had some fun fights so far this week thanks guys

Dear Jereme.184,

I have gone over how many people in Ark and INC were on looking at our TS numbers.

With people leaving the raid/selling/crafting in LA/being afk/taking a poop/getting drunk(you get the idea) its around 35 ish,

I would like to add the thing that killed your ‘semi’ skilled group wasn’t just numbers,
I was the bad application of Mesmer veils, the lack of hard peeling, as well as you just running in to static rings,

Loves and Hugs

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Pfftt…is this the sad state of wvw on other servers where zerker sets are frowned. Get rid of your crutches and have some fun.

Snafu.7412:

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Pfftt…is this the sad state of wvw on other servers where zerker sets are frowned. Get rid of your crutches and have some fun.

Running full zerker works when you already have a number advantage in the fight. That excludes the classes that can cheese it up with mobility and/or stealth.

Oozo.7856:

Snafu.7412:

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Pfftt…is this the sad state of wvw on other servers where zerker sets are frowned. Get rid of your crutches and have some fun.

Running full zerker works when you already have a number advantage in the fight. That excludes the classes that can cheese it up with mobility and/or stealth.

You’d be surprised.

Snafu.7412:

Oozo.7856:

Snafu.7412:

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Pfftt…is this the sad state of wvw on other servers where zerker sets are frowned. Get rid of your crutches and have some fun.

Running full zerker works when you already have a number advantage in the fight. That excludes the classes that can cheese it up with mobility and/or stealth.

You’d be surprised.

You do have to admit that the early days of the game when people had no real clue what they were doing and everyone ran glassy zerk builds were a ton of fun

Seigfried.5938:

Pinko.2076:

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Zerker works fine for most professions in open field.

I took you seriously initially and then looked at your tag.

I’m from AoN/SWäG and I think that full zerker is viable in almost any situation. However, I also think that there are only a few situations and/or builds where full zerker is optimal. It’s important to realize there’s a big difference between viable and optimal. I personally run a mostly zerker hammer war build and our guild have been able to routinely come out on top of 5v10s, 5v15s, and 5v20s. I’m usually the only 100% dedicated frontline person in our group and I can mitigate enough damage through intelligent use of cooldowns, smart engagements/disengagements, working with my teammates abilities to help me mitigate dmg (i.e. providing auras or providing me with stab etc) and being aware of how much healing I am getting/expecting to get.

What matters orders of magnitude more than gear is whether the person playing the class understands his class, it’s role in whatever he’s trying to do, it’s limitations, and the classes/builds of the people he’s engaging, what support he has, and what type of damage he is expecting to take, including recognizing the patterns to when damage may spike so that he can intelligently dodge said damage or mitigate it with a CD.

This of course assuming that your aren’t in a massive skill-lagged blob only allowing you to press 11111111. I don’t really consider that playing the game.

deathTouch.9706:

Seigfried.5938:

Pinko.2076:

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Zerker works fine for most professions in open field.

I took you seriously initially and then looked at your tag.

I’m from AoN and zerker is fine depending on the situation.

What matters orders of magnitude more than gear is whether the person playing the class understands his class, it’s role in whatever he’s trying to do, it’s limitations, and the classes of the people he’s engaging.

This of course assuming that your aren’t in a massive skill-lagged blob only allowing you to press 11111111. That’s not really playing the game though.

Yeah, I love running my (almost) full zerk ele. Those 8-9k meteor shower hits are a wonderful thing. The only issue is when none of my utilities work in a skill-lag fest.

Zerker can work if you are running havoc or small group tactics. 5-10 maybe even up to 15 in zerker is okay since you are going to be steamrolled by the 40+ zerg anyway so your gear doesnt matter… in that case being able to kill faster and then move on is a good idea.

However if you are in one of those 40+ zergs facing off against 4-5 ACs raining fire on you, or facing another 40+ zerg in open field… your zerker gear is rally bait. So either you go down to fast and thus are missing potential numbers to mitigate more damage from the others or you are avoiding combat and staying away from the enemy, thus also not providing as much as you could in tankier gear.

But the new players that want to just follow the zerg… unless you already outnumber the enemy, get some tanky gear, or go down like a brick.

Yeah…I usually run heavy zerker myself, and I’m also a hammer warrior who’s all melee and generally run in a 20-30 guild zerg, so it’s not just for small group havocs like deathTouch described. I rarely have any issues, unless I’m just having an off day playing every once in a while, heh.

The only situation where it really hurts you is skill-lag mode, in which case you’re gonna get shredded once you use up you’re two or three dodges, haha, coz none of your mobility is gonna fire.

With the current increase in random skill-lag that’s almost SMC level since the patch though, I’ve had to mix in a bit more Knight’s and Soldier’s to buy a bit of time for extra dodges, heh.

To Ark&INC: Need to apologize for Jereme being silly. He’s just going off the numbers our guild leader got from INC’s field commander from an exchange of whispers. If you’re saying he lied to mess with our heads…well, all’s fair in love and war. Personally, I was glad for the fight (I only got one with y’all before we map hopped. >_<).

We haven’t fought the real Maguuma as a guild together yet and I see it as a learning opportunity. Everyone knows you roll a different meta than the melee trains which is all we’ve had to fight for most of the time we’ve played…learning to fight it is a different story though and its an interesting experience. I say the “real Maguuma” because…well, the last couple times we played y’all, Agg was masking all that with their T1 style combat.

Oozo.7856:

Snafu.7412:

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Pfftt…is this the sad state of wvw on other servers where zerker sets are frowned. Get rid of your crutches and have some fun.

Running full zerker works when you already have a number advantage in the fight. That excludes the classes that can cheese it up with mobility and/or stealth.

Zerker works well if you play it to your advantage and recognize the extreme dangers. Ultimately it has a much higher skill and teamwork required to make it work well (though, as you point out, some classes obviously make this easier than others) . Only thing that concerns me while I am in full zerker is a glass thief, but I don’t think I have ever gone down to one in a very large fight.

Large PTV groups make me laugh because they are the ones I fear the least while running full zerker. They have to ball up and stay close otherwise their damage is terrible and because of that they become extremely vulnerable to side stepping. DER|P does this often when we run informal groups and run into a large organized guild — everyone just sidesteps their commander movements and bursts down the tail until they lose so many people they have to run away.

Hackuuna.4085:

Large PTV groups make me laugh because they are the ones I fear the least while running full zerker. They have to ball up and stay close otherwise their damage is terrible and because of that they become extremely vulnerable to side stepping. DER|P does this often when we run informal groups and run into a large organized guild — everyone just sidesteps their commander movements and bursts down the tail until they lose so many people they have to run away.

Yeah it’s incredibly predictable.

Flank commander —> wait for commander fixation/lagging tail --> hit lagging tail hard but try to preserve cooldowns —> Disorganized response/rez blobs ---> Nuke rez blobs hard —> disengage if entire zerg turns --> flank again/wait for hardrez and CDs to be up —> hit hard rez blob --> repeat until zerg wipes.

This is how we’ve adapted to fight on Maguuma when we’ve had to deal being outnumbered in pretty much every match-up. Works even more effectively if you have multiple small groups chipping away at weak points in the ever-morphing and changing blob.

The only way that this ever works, however, is if you are packing high-DPS builds. The other thing you have to remember is that PVT doesn’t buy you any more time/change the outcome if you happen to get caught and focused by 60 people.

2 days in and the thread is already derailed and turned to garbage. GG mag. GG.

So I saw two different people in Aggression [Agg] on SoS this morning in EB… are you guys ditching JQ or what? I’m confused.

All that transferring has to be expensive

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

All that transferring has to be expensive

Not so expensive when you are getting paid to move, am i right Agg?

Im Not So Nice.2360:

So I saw two different people in Aggression [Agg] on SoS this morning in EB… are you guys ditching JQ or what? I’m confused.

they couldn’t play at all cause of the queues was their explanation. SoS gave Agg alot of money to transfer just a little under 1 copper. also TC and Mag you’re both pretty don’t fight.

Full zerker is bad and full PVT is bad. You need a mixture. Frontline needs survivability. Some DPS can afford to go zerker and survive due to mechanics. The classes that don’t have those mechanics need a sturdy front line to control ground so they can use intelligent positioning to survive.

They can go zerker, but when you fight people enough they learn to know who is squishy and who is not. You will get focused and killed if you are a non-cheese class in zerker gear unless you have a good support crew in survivability gear that can peel and heal.

Perhaps there is some confusion in what I said. Yes, someone in zerker gear can be viable in pretty much every setting. Groups or guilds full of zerkers are not viable unless they have a numbers advantage.

Here is an example of a guild group in almost entirely zerker gear.

http://youtu.be/BW0sTvLQbk0?t=6m34s

Who cares! Agg is fun to fight both against and alongside. Whether they get paid to transfer, or they pay for it themselves – it doesn’t matter – I for one respect them for moving to look for fights, and for moving to keep their guild together – if you can’t run as a guild because half your guys are stuck in a queue, what’s the point of playing at all?

They do what they want, leave them alone, and let them play how they play.

I’ve transferred tons too, as Jereme has ‘so politely’ pointed out.. If people stop having fun, or if the community feels toxic, if they get paid for it, or for any reason at all… it’s really none of anyone’s concern what they do or where they go..