Guild Wars 2

Yawn… Guess vabs and wsr can thank anet for the bug… what a sham and joke this has turned out to be.

Gideon.6742:

Yawn… Guess vabs and wsr can thank anet for the bug… what a sham and joke this has turned out to be.

Yeah, thanks for the win ANet!

I wouldn’t worry, nothing has changed at all lol. It’s not like any server is going anywhere up/down ladder, and the leagues start soon so it doesn’t matter anyway. Just enjoy the fighting

Gideon.6742:

Yawn… Guess vabs and wsr can thank anet for the bug… what a sham and joke this has turned out to be.

why should we thank anet for the bug??

we lost alot of time of fun fighting with idling instead

Korsbaek.9803:

Gideon.6742:

Yawn… Guess vabs and wsr can thank anet for the bug… what a sham and joke this has turned out to be.

why should we thank anet for the bug??

we lost alot of time of fun fighting with idling instead

No more waypoints for you to bother with. A days worth of wvw gone tho I agree. Just dumb for those who actually spend time and gold upgrading (and don’t make easy pve gold). Have fun today bring out everything you have 7-8 PM GMT will be fun.

What started off as a boring night tonight, with nobody wanting to fight without double numbers,Turned into great fun later on in EB!

Some of the most fun i’ve had this matchup! Plenty of 3 way fights tonight, was only 2 of us so we died quite a bit, but was great fun

Great fun indeed yesterday evening! Many players on the field and I sure hope they enjoyed the fight like I did.

Bring ’m on!

Sorry that I don’t share the excitement about this matchup. We had one good fight on Tuesday, the rest felt like taking empty keeps or towers and tbh this is just boring. Hope the Vabbi and WSR population is growing fast or that we get BT and RoS again. Looking forward for more large scale fights – the thing WvW is made for according to Anets release trailer with WvW.
Anyway thanks for the courage @ Vabbi and WSR, most of you can’t be blamed for your low WvW population.

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

Most of the FoW WvW’ers are far away from thinking about free stuff and WvW experience. We got this server out of the lowest Tier not with Guild Transfers but with own motivation (we are still one of the lowest populations in general). We put a lot effort in organisation and getting Guilds together. Believe me these people don’t really care about WXP.
The statement about Vabbi itself i can’t confirm. We are the Server that has fought Vabbi for ages and they have never given up or decreased heavily in population, so I don’t think that our “gameplay” how you call it, will cause population decrease.

The moment red objectives start appearing on the map I head over there to take a good look at Vabbi scoring points! Ok, and I will probably wave also…

I tend to like Vabbi alot and prefer to focus on WSR when it comes to taking objectives. Untill Vabbi is stomping me into oblivion ofcourse.

Not sure about the FoW population but I see alot more guilds playing together in groups, some more consistent (pug) zergs and yesterday I even had the feeling to be part of a blob. Pretty new things for FoW imo and I hope we can be a good opponent when we play in T8.

Dragona.4062:

Most of the FoW WvW’ers are far away from thinking about free stuff and WvW experience. We got this server out of the lowest Tier not with Guild Transfers but with own motivation (we are still one of the lowest populations in general). We put a lot effort in organisation and getting Guilds together. Believe me these people don’t really care about WXP.
The statement about Vabbi itself i can’t confirm. We are the Server that has fought Vabbi for ages and they have never given up or decreased heavily in population, so I don’t think that our “gameplay” how you call it, will cause population decrease.

For majority of servers, big or small, there will be the more dedicated bunch who lay the siege/do the defending/are there for the strategic element (I’m not going to say for the PPT, because especially at the bottom of the ladder I don’t think most people care if they win by 50k or 500k) – but there is always the greedy player who just wants his xp/karma! Even just in the scoreboard sense, it’s easier to get points from Vabbi than WSR, it’s understandable actions and I don’t think anyone’s complaining about it, just shouldn’t be surprised to find it gets boring from time to time

I used to be on RoS back until about christmas time, so I remember Vabbi’s fall to last and Fissure’s status (Found some old FoW footage recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxsk1DPAAFg) and whilst Vabbi is certainly at the point that the only players left are those who don’t care what situation it is – the best way to get more people into the zones is with a bit of an “omg we’re not getting annihilated?” or not finding their first step out the gate is met with 30 people. Not criticizing (or at least, not intention), it’s only natural. People always put more time in when they’re doing well, it’s simply the way things go.

I’ve always preferred being an underdog, hell it’s why I moved to Vabbi! But even I have my limits where I think ‘okay, thats enough for today’ and go do something else for a bit, so it’s not hard to believe that getting swamped for too long without progress will have a negative effect. Again – not criticizing, just discussing

Trick.9370:

The moment red objectives start appearing on the map I head over there to take a good look at Vabbi scoring points! Ok, and I will probably wave also…

I tend to like Vabbi alot and prefer to focus on WSR when it comes to taking objectives. Untill Vabbi is stomping me into oblivion ofcourse.

Not sure about the FoW population but I see alot more guilds playing together in groups, some more consistent (pug) zergs and yesterday I even had the feeling to be part of a blob. Pretty new things for FoW imo and I hope we can be a good opponent when we play in T8.

FoW does seem to have a lot more guild groups (only natural with larger population!) which is very good when fighting the larger servers. Guilds typically find best competition/challenge from similar sized guild groups or from larger pugs after all, so for when coming up against RoS/BT this will serve you best! Sadly it’s not so enjoyable (for either party) when meeting the smaller opponents, but understandably it’s also not like guilds will split down into smaller groups in such situations – people want to play with their friends.

For example; Jd have run a large group each time we’ve seen them, and I can understand why they began doing so versus higher opponents, but yesterday when we were only 5 it was somewhat tedious for us to try and fight (as a guild, god knows how the pugs feel).

It’s clear that FoW are preparing for a rise, and with any luck it will work out It’s just a shame that due to the randomised system (sigh, why did people whine so much about balanced matchups being repetitive..) they have to face the smaller ones too.

I think what Vabbi needs atm to become more competitive, is a commander with a group behind them, so that the pug forces get a ‘backbone’ for lack of better phrase, and will stick it out in the fight, get some confidence, and start pushing instead of retreating. I’ve considered trying to take on that roll but at this stage my commanding days are over, just don’t have the patience any more. I’ve seen some terrible terrible things while here, but not here to score PPT (altho coming second would make me chuckle) – those days are over! IF Vabbi have dreams of rising up, then they’ll find a way

Just incase, one last time – I’m actually really enjoying myself, most fun I’ve had in the game for months. Not complaining about the matchups by a long shot!! Just think it’s not suprising you’re bored ;D

Neandramathal.9536:

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

I agree, I often shout out in team or mapchat of fow to go for wsrt instead of vabbi. Last thing I would like is keep on hitting vabbi and for them to just give up on wvw because they are always outnumbered. And I am pretty sure you almost are all the time.

But to make it a small bit better for you, when we go up against bt and ros they team up on us for the easy kills and keeps so I know how you feel.

From several aspects it makes sense, if you wish to climb the ladder (altho with leagues coming that’s mostly gone) then it makes sense to maximise points – aka speed. If you want Wxp etc, it’s quickest way.

I jokingly said to hamham the other day I’d make a compilation of FoW zergs when he asked what it’s like from a Vabbi perspective, starting to take that idea a bit more serious lol.

Fissure must’ve reaaaaaalllly wanted Mendon’s Gap! And while we defended it first time around WSR came and took the rest of our stuff kitten opportunists! :P

The sad part is that we eventually lost the tower because “Karma Train starting at the keep” (not even joking) threw all the forces at a WSR occupied keep while FoW were hitting the tower… fighting 2 enemies instead of one.

Saw your vid about Jathres leaving Just wanted to say that it made me smile ^^ Oh, also Jathres must be a very cruel dude to leave you guys after this performance. It is very clear to me, BNF should probably move to Vabbi!

Keep fighting Vabbi! One day victory will be yours!

We’ve been trying to convince them, but they want to stay on a german speaking server, outrageous!

Nah Vabbi won’t have victory as far as score is concerned, it appears there’s a big “we can never win, so just karma train!” attitude (and I’m not just saying that cos earliers tower give away frustrated me!). Personally I don’t care what the end of the week score is, but I refuse to just give things away ^^ Frustrates me to see such things.

Now, I have about 1gb out of 3tb space left.. so I must go either delete some footage or start the 10 hour upload process ;’(

Actually i left before he posted the Video :p

Got the Footage stalking me even in PvE and i was just thinking he missed me ! (or was really really bored ^^).

I really did appreciate the Video, maybe funeral should check his Ears, but other then that it was awesome !

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Thats what happens when you own most of the keeps? X_X
From what i’v seen FoW and WSR tend to both push vabbi at the same time. (Talking EB mostly)
Also tends to be alot of map hopping from fissure, seem to stay together all the time, either none on the map or all of them.

Doesn’t bother me at all, happens on all servers. Some people just love the Wxp train, shouldn’t then question why they’re not enjoying themselfs though ;o

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

oh sorry but from the tendencys i see in eb the red corner gets zerged over as vabbi is outmanned but when red is done blue is left untouched in eb(most of the time) and vabbi losses outmanned. there can be other explonations to it i would not be able to say.

tho i love most of the fights i have been in so far even agienst zergs as the zergs down here is a fraction of what i where used to on GH

x Charlie.4820:

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Thats what happens when you own most of the keeps? X_X
From what i’v seen FoW and WSR tend to both push vabbi at the same time. (Talking EB mostly)
Also tends to be alot of map hopping from fissure, seem to stay together all the time, either none on the map or all of them.

Doesn’t bother me at all, happens on all servers. Some people just love the Wxp train, shouldn’t then question why they’re not enjoying themselfs though ;o

Its funny how different perspectives are. I see a pug mostly in EB the ones who hop are guild most of the time unless everything is taken. EB is a totally different beast than vabbi bl.

I have heard an important part of Jd has defected. Any Jd care to confirm or confirm this rumor?

Gideon.6742:

x Charlie.4820:

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Thats what happens when you own most of the keeps? X_X
From what i’v seen FoW and WSR tend to both push vabbi at the same time. (Talking EB mostly)
Also tends to be alot of map hopping from fissure, seem to stay together all the time, either none on the map or all of them.

Doesn’t bother me at all, happens on all servers. Some people just love the Wxp train, shouldn’t then question why they’re not enjoying themselfs though ;o

Its funny how different perspectives are. I see a pug mostly in EB the ones who hop are guild most of the time unless everything is taken. EB is a totally different beast than vabbi bl.

Took keeps in your bl/stuff in EB with no resistance with less than 4 people (During primetime) , I don’t know if your pugs follow your guild groups, but when we do find enemies, alot of the time its from no resistance → outmanned. Normally a 25+ zerg with guild group mixed in. (Mainly EB, but borderlands from time to time.)

As for vabbi BL i don’t go there much so can’t say.

On a different note, Video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvSagQD_5_U

x Charlie.4820:

Gideon.6742:

x Charlie.4820:

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Thats what happens when you own most of the keeps? X_X
From what i’v seen FoW and WSR tend to both push vabbi at the same time. (Talking EB mostly)
Also tends to be alot of map hopping from fissure, seem to stay together all the time, either none on the map or all of them.

Doesn’t bother me at all, happens on all servers. Some people just love the Wxp train, shouldn’t then question why they’re not enjoying themselfs though ;o

Its funny how different perspectives are. I see a pug mostly in EB the ones who hop are guild most of the time unless everything is taken. EB is a totally different beast than vabbi bl.

Took keeps in your bl/stuff in EB with no resistance with less than 4 people (During primetime) , I don’t know if your pugs follow your guild groups, but when we do find enemies, alot of the time its from no resistance -> outmanned. Normally a 25+ zerg with guild group mixed in. (Mainly EB, but borderlands from time to time.)

As for vabbi BL i don’t go there much so can’t say.

You transferred to Vabbi… just stop talking about zerging us this and that outmanned bla bla bla kitten gets old. you knew the situation. People are bored because there are no larger scale fights in this matchup even when WSR has a zerg they rarely clash.

Neandramathal.9536:

On a different note, Video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvSagQD_5_U

More videos of beating up the uplvled pugs who are karma training… new content please….like watching die hard 15 lol I could’ve sworn it was your last video…but it was shorter…so skimming was faster.

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

On a different note, Video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvSagQD_5_U

More videos of beating up the uplvled pugs who are karma training… new content please….like watching die hard 15 lol I could’ve sworn it was your last video…but it was shorter…so skimming was faster.

What would you like me to film? When we meet a guild group I’ll film it. In the mean time, the videos I make are simply because we enjoyed the fight, nothing more – doesn’t mean everyone else does.

You seem very angry, perhaps a lie down would help?

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

On a different note, Video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvSagQD_5_U

More videos of beating up the uplvled pugs who are karma training… new content please….like watching die hard 15 lol I could’ve sworn it was your last video…but it was shorter…so skimming was faster.

sorry but can you mention one of thoes groupes/guilds then?

not to sounds strange here but we are not complaining about zergs we are giving you guys a reason on why the towers/keeps seems empty when you try take them.
we are then also stating a tendancy we see about the enemy.
if you take it like its a complaint then please go ahead but its not:)

Jathres.7236:

Actually i left before he posted the Video :p

Got the Footage stalking me even in PvE and i was just thinking he missed me ! (or was really really bored ^^).

I really did appreciate the Video, maybe funeral should check his Ears, but other then that it was awesome !

Why, I don’t know what you’re talking about. Funeral’s singing capabilities far exceed anything i’ve ever heard in my life! It’s so unmistakably unique that even though you might to try to forget it, you won’t be able to! It just sticks with you.

Also people say that it is what made Logan such a Jennah-stalking-psycho, and that it explains Scarlet’s radical change from a lovely kindling to a dangerous sociopath with murderous tendencies. :O

P.S. It was awesome. ^^

People gonna hate on your videos. No-one likes to see themselves getting owned! And your hardly going to engage in fights that you have a slim/no chance of winning. That’s just poor play!

With re’ to having no resistance or a zerg of resistance when capping points. I feel the same; when I run in small groups (as neandramathal has pointed out, not often) i run into a 20+ group of vabs. When we’re running as a guild we normally just see 4 or 5 poor victims to roll over (for which i do feel guilty for!) and we PvD a lot of the map to entice people to group up and take us on.

The gripes we all have with ‘fairness’ and ‘2 servers ganging up’ is just perception.

Vabbi and FoW definitely have a love/hate relationship. And rightly or wrongly i’ll chase a vabbi longer than a wsr just to give them a cuddle!

tl;dr – these arguments come from both sides every matchup, Vabbians give me a hug <3

Oh and Ham, you’re a gossiping little spin doctor! Give me the scoop!

Mantis.3026:

People gonna hate on your videos. No-one likes to see themselves getting owned! And your hardly going to engage in fights that you have a slim/no chance of winning. That’s just poor play!

At least it proves people defend objectives (sometimes)! TBH we charge into loads of fights we have slim/no chance of winning, we’re just that weird!

Perception/perspective will always be different, there’s no changing that. Very late last night FoW/WSR were attacking each other in EB when the numbers were lower (although for a while we had nothing for the first hour or so) and we were always tagging into the fight, so that might be why we get attention >.>

Vabbi seem to only exist in a karma train from what I see, commanders never stay on a map – they’ll take the BL and the corner of EB, and make no attempt to go further.

x Charlie.4820:

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Thats what happens when you own most of the keeps? X_X
From what i’v seen FoW and WSR tend to both push vabbi at the same time. (Talking EB mostly)
Also tends to be alot of map hopping from fissure, seem to stay together all the time, either none on the map or all of them.

Doesn’t bother me at all, happens on all servers. Some people just love the Wxp train, shouldn’t then question why they’re not enjoying themselfs though ;o

I can asure you that when I am on, mostly in the evening that is not the case for FoW. Some of us even refuse to hit o nVabbi because they are sick of beating on a low numbered server and many times we tend to focus on wsr because of their higher numbers.
Of course when we have had a vabbi zerg taking wildcreek or another close to our keep we are going to strike back =)

Mantis.3026:

Vabbi and FoW definitely have a love/hate relationship. And rightly or wrongly i’ll chase a vabbi longer than a wsr just to give them a cuddle!

Ehrmagehrd, i shall return that cuddle with some extra snuggling on the side!

Neandramathal: stumbling across a big fight between the two other servers and jumping in is always good! Its often hard for both teams to spot the small group from the 3rd server too, and am always shocked how long I survive in those! We do need more fights like that, I live for the carnage

Ravenous: I think I deserve it after the trouble you’ve caused us this week!
(Ps. I like to be big spoon!)

Mantis.3026:

Neandramathal: stumbling across a big fight between the two other servers and jumping in is always good! Its often hard for both teams to spot the small group from the 3rd server too, and am always shocked how long I survive in those! We do need more fights like that, I live for the carnage

Ravenous: I think I deserve it after the trouble you’ve caused us this week!
(Ps. I like to be big spoon!)

Three way fights are insane fun indeed

Please can you clean Rav’s fur, these kitten Charr are always getting messy ¬.¬

Mantis.3026:

People gonna hate on your videos. No-one likes to see themselves getting owned!

As one of the people getting stomped and owned in the videos, I kinda liked to watch it(!) – yeah I know that could be interpreted as being a bit strange, as it could damage public perception of me or even the guild. BUT!: It was fascinating to see the plays on the other side of the fence (so to speak) and study where I/We potentially went wrong or missed a beat. Therefore, to me, the videos are extra intelligence to be learnt from…

Love playing against you [IMP] — much respect to you and Vabbi as always.

And: just wanted to say I had a great group of people (not just my guild!) following us/me in WSR BL and Vabbi BL tonight (Australian time) — a shout out to those people (you know who you are) and thanks for the good runs and plays there: it was awesome to take an entire map and then some with you guys in the face of opposition!

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Mantis.3026:

People gonna hate on your videos. No-one likes to see themselves getting owned!

As one of the people getting stomped and owned in the videos, I kinda liked to watch it(!) – yeah I know that could be interpreted as being a bit strange, as it could damage public perception of me or even the guild. BUT!: It was fascinating to see the plays on the other side of the fence (so to speak) and study where I/We potentially went wrong or missed a beat. Therefore, to me, the videos are extra intelligence to be learnt from…

Oddly, that’s why I made my first ever videos – we were on a holiday on FoW to fight against our regular server (RoS), videos were made to show what the server looked like from an opponents perspective, and look for ways to improve!

I think half of those videos I was watching lord of the rings and didn’t do any editing to remove sound >.>

Mantis.3026:

People gonna hate on your videos. No-one likes to see themselves getting owned! And your hardly going to engage in fights that you have a slim/no chance of winning. That’s just poor play!

With re’ to having no resistance or a zerg of resistance when capping points. I feel the same; when I run in small groups (as neandramathal has pointed out, not often) i run into a 20+ group of vabs. When we’re running as a guild we normally just see 4 or 5 poor victims to roll over (for which i do feel guilty for!) and we PvD a lot of the map to entice people to group up and take us on.

The gripes we all have with ‘fairness’ and ‘2 servers ganging up’ is just perception.

Vabbi and FoW definitely have a love/hate relationship. And rightly or wrongly i’ll chase a vabbi longer than a wsr just to give them a cuddle!

tl;dr – these arguments come from both sides every matchup, Vabbians give me a hug <3

Oh and Ham, you’re a gossiping little spin doctor! Give me the scoop!

I wasn’t even there… I didn’t like it just because I thought it was an exact replica of the other one. Also they don’t understand the vabbi/fow relationship at all. However sometimes when you’re vastly outnumbered it is fun to engage in a fight you have a very slim chance of winning to spice things up…you really have nothing to lose.(unless of course the other side has 3 stacks of this awesome bloodlust and its a close matchup) +1 tho

The reason most videos look the same is because there is only a finite number of situations that can occur. We can’t upload footage of intense fights vs guild groups when they don’t happen. There will always be upleveled’s in a zerg, but it’s hardly the bulk of the group, and even if it is… with a massive numbers difference upleveled or not it’s going to hurt, CC doesn’t care what level you are. Regardless, there are far less aggressive/whiney ways to say such things, or just not say it at all – no one forces you to watch after all.

The majority of fights we engage in are slim/no chance of winning, that’s what we enjoy, because I agree – there is nothing to lose, it’s a game.

Gideon.6742:

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Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Thats what happens when you own most of the keeps? X_X
From what i’v seen FoW and WSR tend to both push vabbi at the same time. (Talking EB mostly)
Also tends to be alot of map hopping from fissure, seem to stay together all the time, either none on the map or all of them.

Doesn’t bother me at all, happens on all servers. Some people just love the Wxp train, shouldn’t then question why they’re not enjoying themselfs though ;o

Its funny how different perspectives are. I see a pug mostly in EB the ones who hop are guild most of the time unless everything is taken. EB is a totally different beast than vabbi bl.

Took keeps in your bl/stuff in EB with no resistance with less than 4 people (During primetime) , I don’t know if your pugs follow your guild groups, but when we do find enemies, alot of the time its from no resistance -> outmanned. Normally a 25+ zerg with guild group mixed in. (Mainly EB, but borderlands from time to time.)

As for vabbi BL i don’t go there much so can’t say.

You transferred to Vabbi… just stop talking about zerging us this and that outmanned bla bla bla kitten gets old. you knew the situation. People are bored because there are no larger scale fights in this matchup even when WSR has a zerg they rarely clash.

Wasn’t complaining, if you actually go and READ what i wrote, i said it doesn’t bother me. You said it yourself, even when WSR has a zerg you guys barely clash.

I moved to vabbi because i didn’t like the skill-less “Large scale fights” that you want and whilst the zergs down here are much smaller, there is still zergs.
There will always be, on every server because its the safest and easiest way for players like yourself to get rewarded for doing nothing.

Just stop whinging that fights are boring and you’re bored, if you’re gona run around with tons of people, Don’t expect to get even fights.
Fighting the lowest server on the ladder and complaining that they have no Blob….. I dont even know what to say.

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Neandramathal.9536:

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Gideon.6742:

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Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Thats what happens when you own most of the keeps? X_X
From what i’v seen FoW and WSR tend to both push vabbi at the same time. (Talking EB mostly)
Also tends to be alot of map hopping from fissure, seem to stay together all the time, either none on the map or all of them.

Doesn’t bother me at all, happens on all servers. Some people just love the Wxp train, shouldn’t then question why they’re not enjoying themselfs though ;o

Its funny how different perspectives are. I see a pug mostly in EB the ones who hop are guild most of the time unless everything is taken. EB is a totally different beast than vabbi bl.

Took keeps in your bl/stuff in EB with no resistance with less than 4 people (During primetime) , I don’t know if your pugs follow your guild groups, but when we do find enemies, alot of the time its from no resistance -> outmanned. Normally a 25+ zerg with guild group mixed in. (Mainly EB, but borderlands from time to time.)

As for vabbi BL i don’t go there much so can’t say.

You transferred to Vabbi… just stop talking about zerging us this and that outmanned bla bla bla kitten gets old. you knew the situation. People are bored because there are no larger scale fights in this matchup even when WSR has a zerg they rarely clash.

Wasn’t complaining, if you actually go and READ what i wrote, i said it doesn’t bother me. You said it yourself, even when WSR has a zerg you guys barely clash.

I moved to vabbi because i didn’t like the skill-less “Large scale fights” that you want and whilst the zergs down here are much smaller, there is still zergs.
There will always be, on every server because its the safest and easiest way for players like yourself to get rewarded for doing nothing.

Just stop whinging that fights are boring and you’re bored, if you’re gona run around with tons of people, Don’t expect to get even fights.
Fighting the lowest server on the ladder and complaining that they have no Blob….. I dont even know what to say.[/quote]

You apparently can’t read either. I’m not in the large zergs lol… You assume way too much… But wanting 10-20 ppl to clash and fight I don’t see what is wrong with that? I never once mentioned a blob kitten … I said a fight larger than 4v4 good one.

Neandramathal.9536:

The reason most videos look the same is because there is only a finite number of situations that can occur. We can’t upload footage of intense fights vs guild groups when they don’t happen. There will always be upleveled’s in a zerg, but it’s hardly the bulk of the group, and even if it is… with a massive numbers difference upleveled or not it’s going to hurt, CC doesn’t care what level you are. Regardless, there are far less aggressive/whiney ways to say such things, or just not say it at all – no one forces you to watch after all.

The majority of fights we engage in are slim/no chance of winning, that’s what we enjoy, because I agree – there is nothing to lose, it’s a game.

I can respect that. Make the most of what you’re given… It is a game and when you can’t find 10-20v10-20 because that is what the guilds here usually run with occasionally more it get kinda boring and isn’t a fun game for many. That’s MY perspective. If you think 10-20vthe same is skillless thas your own opinion idc. But it is wvw if you want 5v5 go play tpvp

Gideon.6742:

If you think 10-20vthe same is skillless thas your own opinion idc. But it is wvw if you want 5v5 go play tpvp

Don’t recall saying any of that?
But I’ll tell you right now, you won’t find 10-20 vs X on my videos… because our guild has 8 players, and that’s how we like it.

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

The reason most videos look the same is because there is only a finite number of situations that can occur. We can’t upload footage of intense fights vs guild groups when they don’t happen. There will always be upleveled’s in a zerg, but it’s hardly the bulk of the group, and even if it is… with a massive numbers difference upleveled or not it’s going to hurt, CC doesn’t care what level you are. Regardless, there are far less aggressive/whiney ways to say such things, or just not say it at all – no one forces you to watch after all.

The majority of fights we engage in are slim/no chance of winning, that’s what we enjoy, because I agree – there is nothing to lose, it’s a game.

I can respect that. Make the most of what you’re given… It is a game and when you can’t find 10-20v10-20 because that is what the guilds here usually run with occasionally more it get kinda boring and isn’t a fun game for many. That’s MY perspective. If you think 10-20vthe same is skillless thas your own opinion idc. But it is wvw if you want 5v5 go play tpvp

sorry but this here is going to sound very arrogant but trust me its not.
to me it sounds like your kitten over we are less then you and still winning a fair amount of them even when outmanned by alot(as we have up to 8 players normally from imp and still winning agienst your pushes agienst your groupes).
and if you want equal fights go find some to gvg with they normally set up fair fights with equal numbers and no siege.

Gideon.6742:

You apparently can’t read either. I’m not in the large zergs lol… You assume way too much… But wanting 10-20 ppl to clash and fight I don’t see what is wrong with that? I never once mentioned a blob kitten … I said a fight larger than 4v4 good one.

I wouldn’t class a 10v10 “Large scale” but whatever, Yet you assume i want 4v4…

If you’re running around with 10 guys then you should be finding fights (unless your purposely avoiding defending because the choochoo wxp train, but then thats your own fault.)

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

The reason most videos look the same is because there is only a finite number of situations that can occur. We can’t upload footage of intense fights vs guild groups when they don’t happen. There will always be upleveled’s in a zerg, but it’s hardly the bulk of the group, and even if it is… with a massive numbers difference upleveled or not it’s going to hurt, CC doesn’t care what level you are. Regardless, there are far less aggressive/whiney ways to say such things, or just not say it at all – no one forces you to watch after all.

The majority of fights we engage in are slim/no chance of winning, that’s what we enjoy, because I agree – there is nothing to lose, it’s a game.

I can respect that. Make the most of what you’re given… It is a game and when you can’t find 10-20v10-20 because that is what the guilds here usually run with occasionally more it get kinda boring and isn’t a fun game for many. That’s MY perspective. If you think 10-20vthe same is skillless thas your own opinion idc. But it is wvw if you want 5v5 go play tpvp

I actually do play tpvp on a regular basis, if you think it is anything like a 5v5 you are very mistaken. WvW is only what you make of it, i find plenty of fun fights running with 2-8 people. Clearly more than you’re finding with your 20 :\