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Posted by: Hickeroar.9734

Hickeroar.9734

There’s just so many… My body is not ready.

Haha, I totally spotted myself in that crowd. There’s two EP in the bottom left little blob of about 10. I was on a baby warrior (lvl 8 ), so you can see the invader tag there.

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Posted by: Garreth MacLeod.4158

Garreth MacLeod.4158

Maguuma, that was a wonderful attempt at taking our Valley Keep just now. We were scrambling around like crazy. /salute to you all. I don’t know how many golems that was but it was a lot.

SoS, you have been a challenge all week. I have done quite a bit of leveling on one of my new characters. /salute to you as well.

Good luck in your matchups next week.

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Garreth (Ra), Elizabeth (El), Fiona (Me), Morrigan (N)
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Posted by: Caroline.4987

Caroline.4987

That was amazing, Maguuma! Using SMC as a decoy and all, wow!

Now I know why I barely got touched when I went and threw down that Warbanner on the Lord there, hah. Was basically crawling with all the lag. I knew there had to be a reason. Awesome last few hours. Good luck with the reset!

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Posted by: kerona.3465

kerona.3465

I expect my mini in the mail by now

number 1 zerg finder NA

Maguuma [PYRO]
Oblyth, Mes ~ Nadeshiko Naito, War ~ Hwertu, Gua
Evenree, Necro (M) ~ Ran Still Died, Thief

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Posted by: iCryptik.1496

iCryptik.1496

Making money the maguuma way.

This week has been very fun, and very profitable!

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Posted by: Pinko.2076

Pinko.2076

Once again, Mag proves roleplay superiority. Best highwayman performances NA!

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Posted by: Hickeroar.9734

Hickeroar.9734

Once again, Mag proves roleplay superiority.

Our DR drama llamas would be very excited to accept this apparent challenge!

:P

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Posted by: Static.9841

Static.9841

To the underlevelled SoS mesmer I just dropped at the sentry south of your Garrison, you should have healed, I wasn’t going to stomp you, I was just taking the sentry between duels, you just let yourself bleed out I even had 2 of your guys in my party and asked them to res you, unfortunately Mag sent a zerg through where they were dueling.

[Zeus] Guild ~ Desolation. Not some silly muffin thing, stop stalking me Dhiania!

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Posted by: Night Hawk Ix.7360

Night Hawk Ix.7360

your level of intelligence exceeds even Isaac Newton’s.

http://makeagif.com/i/WQtNkm

Not sure what I’m mean’t to be looking at? bad build? rotated image? chat displaying peoples names? nope I cant figured it out

Mez You Up
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Posted by: Kreaven.3172

Kreaven.3172

I like mag, they are tough on the field no matter what guild they are in, strong militia, tc does have some really strong players like NAGA (though I said the same thing when they were on CD), TV guild always brings it, iLL I was hoping to run into some more.

I’m happy to fight TC again, just everytime you guys /laugh when you win with triple numbers I’m gonna poke fun on the forums.

See you tomorrow on reset TC!

Hah! I only laughed at Mag once. And you had triple my numbers. Was at 7:52 pm on Tuesday, Just outside pang… yup. I remember it clearly, Myself vs 3 Mags. I swear the fact that they were AFK had nothing to do with my victory however.

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~Tarnished Coast since the beginning

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Posted by: Night Hawk Ix.7360

Night Hawk Ix.7360

Reset soon (well in 7hours) goodluck all for reset and dont forget to supply up.

Mez You Up
Blackgate

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Posted by: Calvin.5380

Calvin.5380

your level of intelligence exceeds even Isaac Newton’s.

http://makeagif.com/i/WQtNkm

Not sure what I’m mean’t to be looking at? bad build? rotated image? chat displaying peoples names? nope I cant figured it out

lol, owned.

Oh, and good job SoS taking the #2 spot despite being the least populated server in this match.

Dragonbrand

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Posted by: katniss.6735

katniss.6735

TC needs to stop trying to join my party in the puzzle. I don’t care what you want. Just die and come back and die again.

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Posted by: saiyr.3071

saiyr.3071

I like mag, they are tough on the field no matter what guild they are in, strong militia, tc does have some really strong players like NAGA (though I said the same thing when they were on CD), TV guild always brings it, iLL I was hoping to run into some more.

I’m happy to fight TC again, just everytime you guys /laugh when you win with triple numbers I’m gonna poke fun on the forums.

See you tomorrow on reset TC!

Hah! I only laughed at Mag once. And you had triple my numbers. Was at 7:52 pm on Tuesday, Just outside pang… yup. I remember it clearly, Myself vs 3 Mags. I swear the fact that they were AFK had nothing to do with my victory however.

Wut? That guy is from SoS.

[DERP] Saiyr, “bff” of Sgt Killjoy

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Posted by: eithinan.9841

eithinan.9841

TC needs to stop trying to join my party in the puzzle. I don’t care what you want. Just die and come back and die again.

This is why I love mag. This is why I hate mag.

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Posted by: Asudementio.8526

Asudementio.8526

Here’s hoping we get a decent match-up this weekend instead of another one of these fiascoes.

Leader of [Suh]
My moves are fresh, like my groceries.
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Posted by: Chris.3290

Chris.3290

TC, you need a T1 matchup to freshen up. I say you JQ, and FA to give you a real shot at #3.
Send DB to the rest of T1, they have had a rest week as well.

I want Maguuma and EB. I think we need to once and for all, settle out T3 without anyone in T2 looking over our shoulders!

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Posted by: Asudementio.8526

Asudementio.8526

TC, you need a T1 matchup to freshen up. I say you JQ, and FA to give you a real shot at #3.
Send DB to the rest of T1, they have had a rest week as well.

I want Maguuma and EB. I think we need to once and for all, settle out T3 without anyone in T2 looking over our shoulders!

I know it probably doesn’t mean much but my money is on you guys.

Leader of [Suh]
My moves are fresh, like my groceries.
#TeamEvonforever

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Posted by: Tricare.2946

Tricare.2946

On GvG I really can’t wait until it becomes more GvG instead of ZvZ. I mean yest there is a little skill in GvG now but when teams are 8-15 as opposed to 20-30 individual skills shine and tactics become huge.

I actually prefer the larger scale, anything under 10v10 and staff becomes near worthless. Staff Ele just doesn’t do well in small group combat or 1v1.

If you want small skirmish stuff of 5v5 and 8v8, that’s what sPvP/tPvP are for.

Heh, no. 5v5’s happen all the time in WvW and saying they’re only for sPvP/tPvP is being ignorant and ignoring a huge part of the game when it comes to skill. The smaller the amount of players the more you notice if someone is messing up. With a 20v20 fight, 18 people could probably do all the work and still win with 2 people being complete noobs.

5v5 gvg in a wvw setting is going to have similar problems with lineup balancing that sPvP and tPvP do.

In 10+ or larger scale fights, classes or setups that are pretty much useless in small scale fights become valuable. Staff Necros and Eles, Warriors, etc.

In a smaller scale fight, those builds are at best mediocre, and more likely to be pretty much worthless.

So no, simply lowering the number of fighters doesn’t just show more emphasis on individual player skill, it also completely changes the metagame for builds.

it definitely does show more individual skill, i dont see how anyone can argue this. it almost has to be true by definition.

the fact that different classes and builds become more and less effective as the fights get smaller doesn’t have any correlation to the amount of skill required. i dont even know why you brought it up.

its fine that you prefer larger organized fights, but it’s crazy to suggest that individual skill doesn’t play a bigger role in smaller fights.

Everything Wads said.

Also if you don’t have a few different builds for each of your classes, you’re doing it wrong. Half of my bags are filled with different sets of gear/weapons.

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Posted by: kartek.6428

kartek.6428

do she got the booty

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Posted by: Night Hawk Ix.7360

Night Hawk Ix.7360

do she got the booty

Call me maybe

Mez You Up
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Posted by: Devildoc.6721

Devildoc.6721

On GvG I really can’t wait until it becomes more GvG instead of ZvZ. I mean yest there is a little skill in GvG now but when teams are 8-15 as opposed to 20-30 individual skills shine and tactics become huge.

I actually prefer the larger scale, anything under 10v10 and staff becomes near worthless. Staff Ele just doesn’t do well in small group combat or 1v1.

If you want small skirmish stuff of 5v5 and 8v8, that’s what sPvP/tPvP are for.

Heh, no. 5v5’s happen all the time in WvW and saying they’re only for sPvP/tPvP is being ignorant and ignoring a huge part of the game when it comes to skill. The smaller the amount of players the more you notice if someone is messing up. With a 20v20 fight, 18 people could probably do all the work and still win with 2 people being complete noobs.

5v5 gvg in a wvw setting is going to have similar problems with lineup balancing that sPvP and tPvP do.

In 10+ or larger scale fights, classes or setups that are pretty much useless in small scale fights become valuable. Staff Necros and Eles, Warriors, etc.

In a smaller scale fight, those builds are at best mediocre, and more likely to be pretty much worthless.

So no, simply lowering the number of fighters doesn’t just show more emphasis on individual player skill, it also completely changes the metagame for builds.

it definitely does show more individual skill, i dont see how anyone can argue this. it almost has to be true by definition.

the fact that different classes and builds become more and less effective as the fights get smaller doesn’t have any correlation to the amount of skill required. i dont even know why you brought it up.

its fine that you prefer larger organized fights, but it’s crazy to suggest that individual skill doesn’t play a bigger role in smaller fights.

I never said it doesn’t, I just said it’s not the only thing that is altered by a smaller scale fight, you guys are saying it’s the ONLY thing that changes is the focus on individual skill, I’m saying the focus on individual skill increases, but it also shifts the meta.

If it DIDN’T shift the meta, why are all elementalists in 5v5 D/D, why are warriors considered lower tier in 5v5, and why are staff necros low tier in 5v5, when all 3 builds are valuable in 20v20?

Why is staff ele universally considered a joke in 1v1?

Surely it’s all individual skill and an aoe and group support weapon is perfectly viable for a 1v1 duel you wouldn’t need to have D/D.

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Posted by: Pinko.2076

Pinko.2076

What is a staff necro?

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Posted by: Furiousbeard.7602

Furiousbeard.7602

Did I miss the party?

I heard someone say it was time to beat up all the rp’ers!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: Darius Glazkov.9750

Darius Glazkov.9750

do she got the booty

my waifu is such a deviant.

Why is staff ele universally considered a joke in 1v1?

dunno. my staff ele build can brawl on a point in spvp as glass. staff in 1v1 is is difficult, but certainly do-able with enough skill and a proper build.

but anyway, good week everyone. thanks for the fun! glad we finally got to fight some SoS and TC again, it’s been a while! good luck with your next matchups. let the karma trains, begin!

Rékka
Second Law [Scnd]

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Posted by: Pinko.2076

Pinko.2076

staff ele got a lot better in 1v1 with all the changes it got to cast time/aftercast reduction

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Posted by: kerona.3465

kerona.3465

bye pls
hope 2 see u never

Maguuma [PYRO]
Oblyth, Mes ~ Nadeshiko Naito, War ~ Hwertu, Gua
Evenree, Necro (M) ~ Ran Still Died, Thief

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Posted by: Asudementio.8526

Asudementio.8526

Dear Mag,

Please get better at camping the jumping puzzle before you actually try and pick a fight.

Leader of [Suh]
My moves are fresh, like my groceries.
#TeamEvonforever

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Posted by: Pinko.2076

Pinko.2076

Dear Mag,

Please get better at camping the jumping puzzle before you actually try and pick a fight.

Were you a part of the TC 30-40 that just mowed through? That was a really good tactic, not sure why we didn’t think of just zerging everything down. Really educational fighting TC!

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Posted by: GuardianOMS.8067

GuardianOMS.8067

Dear Mag,

Please get better at camping the jumping puzzle before you actually try and pick a fight.

lol zerg the JP then gloat. gj you’re SO much better than us

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The devs don’t care about WvW so I’m gonna kill players in PvE!

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Posted by: MikeB.3857

MikeB.3857

Dear Mag,

Please get better at camping the jumping puzzle before you actually try and pick a fight.

Were you a part of the TC 30-40 that just mowed through? That was a really good tactic, not sure why we didn’t think of just zerging everything down. Really educational fighting TC!

Awww…. Someone died in a WvW zone.

Revered – [REVD]
Maizen Blue – Thief

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Posted by: Asudementio.8526

Asudementio.8526

Luckily for you guys i was running and made my comment before the zerging but go ahead and lambaste us for wiping you when ya’ll were doing the same thing. Pot meet kettle.

My comment was mostly about the mag who couldn’t kill me as i ran the puzzle.

Leader of [Suh]
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Posted by: Pinko.2076

Pinko.2076

Luckily for you guys i was running and made my comment before the zerging but go ahead and lambaste us for wiping you when ya’ll were doing the same thing. Pot meet kettle.

My comment was mostly about the mag who couldn’t kill me as i ran the puzzle.

What are you even responding to?

You posted that we needed to be more skilled, so I said it was educational to learn that numbers are really strong.

Is this one of those times where TC posts against things that never happened?

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Posted by: Asudementio.8526

Asudementio.8526

Luckily for you guys i was running and made my comment before the zerging but go ahead and lambaste us for wiping you when ya’ll were doing the same thing. Pot meet kettle.

My comment was mostly about the mag who couldn’t kill me as i ran the puzzle.

What are you even responding to?

You posted that we needed to be more skilled, so I said it was educational to learn that numbers are really strong.

Is this one of those times where TC posts against things that never happened?

I really can’t see how you don’t understand the context of my comments; seems like it is a personal problem.

Leader of [Suh]
My moves are fresh, like my groceries.
#TeamEvonforever

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Posted by: GuardianOMS.8067

GuardianOMS.8067

Luckily for you guys i was running and made my comment before the zerging but go ahead and lambaste us for wiping you when ya’ll were doing the same thing. Pot meet kettle.

My comment was mostly about the mag who couldn’t kill me as i ran the puzzle.

Unedited video or it didn’t happen. We’re totally doing the same thing, you got us!

Sgt Killjoy – “Pedantic” “babe” and “bff” of Saiyr
The devs don’t care about WvW so I’m gonna kill players in PvE!

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Posted by: Pinko.2076

Pinko.2076

Luckily for you guys i was running and made my comment before the zerging but go ahead and lambaste us for wiping you when ya’ll were doing the same thing. Pot meet kettle.

My comment was mostly about the mag who couldn’t kill me as i ran the puzzle.

What are you even responding to?

You posted that we needed to be more skilled, so I said it was educational to learn that numbers are really strong.

Is this one of those times where TC posts against things that never happened?

I really can’t see how you don’t understand the context of my comments; seems like it is a personal problem.

Alright well I hope you can teach us how to play in the future, and I hope you quell the voices that are making up arguments for you to post against.

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Posted by: Asudementio.8526

Asudementio.8526

Luckily for you guys i was running and made my comment before the zerging but go ahead and lambaste us for wiping you when ya’ll were doing the same thing. Pot meet kettle.

My comment was mostly about the mag who couldn’t kill me as i ran the puzzle.

What are you even responding to?

You posted that we needed to be more skilled, so I said it was educational to learn that numbers are really strong.

Is this one of those times where TC posts against things that never happened?

I really can’t see how you don’t understand the context of my comments; seems like it is a personal problem.

Alright well I hope you can teach us how to play in the future, and I hope you quell the voices that are making up arguments for you to post against.

Is there an argument going on? I was unaware.

@lol at “pics or it didn’t happen” style comment above.

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Posted by: Pinko.2076

Pinko.2076

I think we’re just looking for video so we can learn how to play, because we as maguumans are bad at WvW and are looking to improve.

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Posted by: Xirin.8593

Xirin.8593

Is this one of those times where TC posts against things that never happened?

This new TC is baffling. I miss the old TC from my days on BG.

[AoN] All or Nothing

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Posted by: Asudementio.8526

Asudementio.8526

I think we’re just looking for video so we can learn how to play, because we as maguumans are bad at WvW and are looking to improve.

Sorry i don’t record. Check youtube?

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

Smooth Penguin.5294

Is this one of those times where TC posts against things that never happened?

They are a really strong RP server. This probably happened in one of their make-believe fantasy bars in Divinity’s Reach.

In GW2, Trading Post plays you!

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Posted by: GuardianOMS.8067

GuardianOMS.8067

So long TC and SoS. I met some pretty fetch TC players, can’t say the same for SoS but take care nonetheless.

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Posted by: kfarb.6732

kfarb.6732

Dear Mag,

Please get better at camping the jumping puzzle before you actually try and pick a fight.

Congrats on getting the cache did you get good loot??

TC only wins the JP because of their coverage. NA primetime is all that matters.

Maguuma – considered by many to be the best

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Posted by: Night Hawk Ix.7360

Night Hawk Ix.7360

Dear Mag,

Please get better at camping the jumping puzzle before you actually try and pick a fight.

Were you a part of the TC 30-40 that just mowed through? That was a really good tactic, not sure why we didn’t think of just zerging everything down. Really educational fighting TC!

Cant let you get away with that Pinko, Mag have been zerg camping the Jp on/off all week. Just a few hours ago there was 15-20 Mag camping it against one or two. So please dont complain when you finally get zerged back, also to point out it was not only mag but [DERP] doing the camping. So I’m guessing you are well aware numbers are everything, hence why you guys are friendly in a small grp but unfriendly when you know numbers are on your side :P

Mez You Up
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Posted by: timidobserver.7925

timidobserver.7925

So long TC and SoS. I met some pretty fetch TC players, can’t say the same for SoS but take care nonetheless.

I LOL’d when I saw this. Some very weird stuff goes on in Divinity’s Reach sometimes. I’ve seen some really odd RP passing through there.

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Posted by: kfarb.6732

kfarb.6732

Dear Mag,

Please get better at camping the jumping puzzle before you actually try and pick a fight.

Were you a part of the TC 30-40 that just mowed through? That was a really good tactic, not sure why we didn’t think of just zerging everything down. Really educational fighting TC!

Cant let you get away with that Pinko, Mag have been zerg camping the Jp on/off all week. Just a few hours ago there was 15-20 Mag camping it against one or two. So please dont complain when you finally get zerged back, also to point out it was not only mag but [DERP] doing the camping. So I’m guessing you are well aware numbers are everything, hence why you guys are friendly in a small grp but unfriendly when you know numbers are on your side :P

There are easy ways to get past those pesky campers. I don’t have to tell you, though.

Maguuma – considered by many to be the best

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Posted by: kerona.3465

kerona.3465

pretty sure my guild mate just ran through you and didn’t die

lrn2camp

Maguuma [PYRO]
Oblyth, Mes ~ Nadeshiko Naito, War ~ Hwertu, Gua
Evenree, Necro (M) ~ Ran Still Died, Thief

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Posted by: Pinko.2076

Pinko.2076

Dear Mag,

Please get better at camping the jumping puzzle before you actually try and pick a fight.

Were you a part of the TC 30-40 that just mowed through? That was a really good tactic, not sure why we didn’t think of just zerging everything down. Really educational fighting TC!

Cant let you get away with that Pinko, Mag have been zerg camping the Jp on/off all week. Just a few hours ago there was 15-20 Mag camping it against one or two. So please dont complain when you finally get zerged back, also to point out it was not only mag but [DERP] doing the camping. So I’m guessing you are well aware numbers are everything, hence why you guys are friendly in a small grp but unfriendly when you know numbers are on your side :P

We are always friendly!

Please report any unfriendly interactions to GuardianOMS.8067 so we can discipline the offenders.

(edited by Pinko.2076)

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Posted by: CHIPS.6018

CHIPS.6018

bye pls
hope 2 see u never

Fine let’s not see each other.

Call me maybe?

Chipsy Chips(Necromancer) & Char Ashnoble(Thief)
The Order of Dii[Dii]-SBI→Kaineng→TC→JQ
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Posted by: wads.5730

wads.5730

where are you transfering to next month?