Guild Wars 2

Okaishi.8320:

I seriously hope this is the last time we face GH. Bandwagon server that can only golem rush, it’s killing so much of the fun.

Aw. Been in WvW most of the day without touching or seeing a golem, maybe you’re just looking in the wrong place?

Hope you have more fun tomorrow, and sorry some guilds found us an attractive place to move since we last fought.

Well, you can disregard that first comment. I’d delete it but there’s not much of a point as I’ve already been quoted twice (edit: third time below me). I should stop posting on the forums when things seriously manage to kitten me off, lol. It’s a bad habit. I commend you on your mature reply to a silly post though.

I’m just going to have to stop caring about our keeps, and go with more roaming I suppose. Trying too hard to defend stuff is not good for my blood pressure this week :P

Okaishi.8320:

I seriously hope this is the last time we face GH. Bandwagon server that can only golem rush, it’s killing so much of the fun.

i will not say that GH have not gotten new people as we have but golem rush have been the meta for longer then GH have begon getting a influxe of players so please dont say it like that as it goes for every server i have meet to(and yes we do it to)

GH have gotten a few guilds and it means alot in the match yes but i gess it would not mean as much as to give them the total reason we win tho a big part of it is yes

Only reason GH are winning is numbers…3 seperate zerg’s to UW 1 in our boarder.they have more Golems than we have players.TEO and RAGE running together just to take camps…rotfl.The odd time we meet with anything like even numbers you run away.fortunatly NNF are walking lootbags so they pay for repairs.

Okaishi.8320:

Well, you can disregard that first comment. I’d delete it but there’s not much of a point as I’ve already been quoted twice (edit: third time below me). I should stop posting on the forums when things seriously manage to kitten me off, lol. It’s a bad habit. I commend you on your mature reply to a silly post though.

I’m just going to have to stop caring about our keeps, and go with more roaming I suppose. Trying too hard to defend stuff is not good for my blood pressure this week :P

Heh Sorry, hadn’t read ahead when I got to your comment and couldn’t resist immediately replying. I suspect I’m not the last to do so.

Ah well, no harm done, and we all know the frustrating feeling and the desire to sound off. Genuinely hope you catch a better time this matchup

Korsbaek.9803:

Okaishi.8320:

I seriously hope this is the last time we face GH. Bandwagon server that can only golem rush, it’s killing so much of the fun.

i will not say that GH have not gotten new people as we have but golem rush have been the meta for longer then GH have begon getting a influxe of players so please dont say it like that as it goes for every server i have meet to(and yes we do it to)

GH have gotten a few guilds and it means alot in the match yes but i gess it would not mean as much as to give them the total reason we win tho a big part of it is yes

I made the quote fourth (4.) time Okaishi. No need to thank me <3

Anyhow, as a defensive player and the change to blueprints being in market has made the defending a nightmare. Yes, golem rushes were there always, but not with like this. Before the market thing, you would see golem rushes with like 5 alphas, and that was a good sized rush. Now you keep seeing 5+ Omega rushes pretty much everyday and its kinda stressful.

Thank god I haven’t had much time to play for few days, but yea. I can understand where the flaming comes from Okaishi.

But yea, golem rushes are fair play, but so are any other means as well. Open fights with AC’s. Rushing with superior numbers. It’s all good in war. As long as you don’t cheat!

PS. Had a blast in Crossroads a few moments backwards. Was fun to hold it against, I don’t know, 20+ guys? I think we got the supervisor up like 8 times or so until we got enough reinforcements to push you off. Lost Hills and Bay, but dam was fun fight))

I understand your concern with Golem rushes, it makes seiging too easy if you catch the enemy off guard. But without golems keeps would become untouchable and the game would become a stalemate. With the increased AC damage taking a defended keep/tower using rams/catas/trebs isn’t really an option. It’s far too boring and drawn out with very little for the attackers to do whilst the trebbing/cataing is being done. So from my point of view we use golem rushes to progress the fight and give us the opportunity to have face to face fights rather than have us fight seige all night. Sorry if it makes things less fun for you, that’s not our intention.

I only speak for RAGE obviously.

What a load of BS

It is fully possible to take Keeps without using Golems.

Well he stated its boring for him to do it “the old fashioned way”.

Anyway, its useless to argue about what is lame and what not.

But yea, I miss those long sieges on keeps. Like two hour or so. If the fight keeps going all the time and the keep keeps being bombed from all sources, I like that. I don’t even mind losing it after multi hour siege. But losing a keep in matter of minutes to something we could have stopped if we would have happened to be a little bit more inside when it happened, is what annoys me a little.

But yea, some of us siege the keeps for every inch, because we want those long sieges and we are sorry if we make things less fun for you.

Well, yeah it’s possible to take t3 keeps without golems, but it will take time and effort. Golems are way less of a hassle and I understand this. Our guild in particular enjoys the siege warfare, as almost every AC in a keep can be countered and it takes some strategic thinking to make your way inside a well-defended objective and also makes it much more rewarding if you finally manage to capture it. This is my opinion atleast, and I’m sure there’s people who won’t agree and going for the daily golem rush is certainly more lucrative point-wise.

I simply believe golems are just far too rewarding at the moment. You may have scouts but good luck pulling in the zerg from other borders in time when your keep won’t even last longer than 5 minutes. It’s especially frustrating considering upgrading a keep takes sooo much longer than taking it with a bunch of omegas. It would atleast be somewhat satisfying if you lost it after an hour siege or so while having tried your best at defending it. Plus I also personally hate golems, so getting rushed by them too frequently can annoy me enough to post stupid stuff on the forums.

He means they can’t do it “the old fashioned way”

iorlas you seem mad. did you play too long yesterday, a bit tired maybe?

Didn’t play yesterday had a break from being zerg’d and golem rushed.Not even mad just can’t belive the BS that’s being spouted.

I have to agree with Okaishi here again, a little bit. Golems are too easy to get your hands on now. Atleast way back, when you couldn’t buy one in the market for ~10s, you knew how much gold they had put into those things and you knew they wouldn’t throw them into a keep and see if the gate opens or not.

Preparation was the key back then. You had to start slowly drain stuff, maybe make couple golems at the same time etc etc. Take out siege you could reach, drain the supplies from the keeps etc.

But now, its all gone in a split second, and the rough part to bite is the fact that now if you rush a fully upgraded keep with, lets say 9 omegas, the defenders will lose a way more gold than attackers. At least way back, you knew it was kitten tons of gold/badges they just threw into our keep to get it. But now, it all doesn’t feel fair if you have used 6-10 gold to a keep and have been defending camps to get the upgrades done for hours, just to see it all gone… in a minute or two.

I really don’t understand the frustration you guys seem to have.
Technically this week we are weaker than the previous as we lost FURY and you do know what would have happened if FURY was at this matchup don’t you?
Second since the begining of the matchup you are whining about golem rushes and last night when you golem rushed SM (about 12 of them if i remember right) and our borders you were congratulating each other. Really?
Gunnars Hold a bandwagon server, really?
For getting 2 guilds? So according to your view RoS is bandwagon for getting 3 guilds, Piken Square is bandwagon, Aurora is bandwagon everyone is bandwagon except your server.
Gunnars without any of our new friends were beating the crap out of Fort Ranik two weeks ago. That was the same core group that were beating you back in November.
So chill out, get your facts straight and start to fight in game please and not at the forums.
This matchup has a long way to go
Show your opponent respect and you will receive respect.

i Respect you Genotix now pls lay down and die respectfully of course

great fights on UW bl this evening thanks for all the fun and good fights UW! – [HT]

iorlas.6721:

Only reason GH are winning is numbers…3 seperate zerg’s to UW 1 in our boarder.they have more Golems than we have players.TEO and RAGE running together just to take camps…rotfl.The odd time we meet with anything like even numbers you run away.fortunatly NNF are walking lootbags so they pay for repairs.

As Steelo said you are probably tired from your epic campaign last night.
So i will take no offense at your post so i read it but i just carried on living my life:)

read the above post that’s where the frustration comes from.lot’s of gold spent,many dollies escorted,hours of defending/retaking camps for supplies, just so half a dozen Golems can walk up and take the keep,and then to come with BS excuses.just face it you can’t do sweet fanny adams with ya golems.

iorlas.6721:

He means they can’t do it “the old fashioned way”

We can, and we do every day. I don’t enjoy it though so prefer to get it over and done with as quickly as possible.

Genotix.6804:

I really don’t understand the frustration you guys seem to have.
Technically this week we are weaker than the previous as we lost FURY and you do know what would have happened if FURY was at this matchup don’t you?
Second since the begining of the matchup you are whining about golem rushes and last night when you golem rushed SM (about 12 of them if i remember right) and our borders you were congratulating each other. Really?
Gunnars Hold a bandwagon server, really?
For getting 2 guilds? So according to your view RoS is bandwagon for getting 3 guilds, Piken Square is bandwagon, Aurora is bandwagon everyone is bandwagon except your server.
Gunnars without any of our new friends were beating the crap out of Fort Ranik two weeks ago. That was the same core group that were beating you back in November.
So chill out, get your facts straight and start to fight in game please and not at the forums.
This matchup has a long way to go
Show your opponent respect and you will receive respect.

Golem rushing when you’ve depleted all other options and golem rushing just because you can are two different things though. I’m pretty sure Archi (the commander who took SM with those golems) said that they’ve tried assaulting SM a bunch of times and failed because you did a good job of defending with plenty of ACs. Us on the other hand don’t even get the chance to defend our Hills we just upgraded because we are getting golem rushed right at the start.

But that’s enough from me on the subject. The bandwagoning part was just something random as my frustration forced me to throw a random insult your server’s way. I don’t actually care whether you got new guilds or not, it’s all part of the game.

iorlas.6721:

read the above post that’s where the frustration comes from.lot’s of gold spent,many dollies escorted,hours of defending/retaking camps for supplies, just so half a dozen Golems can walk up and take the keep,and then to come with BS excuses.just face it you can’t do sweet fanny adams with ya golems.

We spent more on our golems than you did on your upgrades

I’m not quite sure what you are looking at Genotix, but we didn’t fight Fort Ranik in november. Actually, we fought them for the first time in January. And we lost to them with 16k points, which is kinda close match. Then we had another fight with them next week and we won that, barely, but we won them.

Then, at week 5, on february we lost to Fort ranik with quite a big number of 60k points. Then we had another go with them on March and we won with 3k. Go go UW! Then we had 3 fights with them on May and we won all of them. Two fights on june, they won one, we won one. and then at week 29 @ July, when we last had a match with Fort Ranik, we won them with 50k points.

To be fair, the matches with FR has been always fun and thigh matches and I have liked them all. Also, you can’t really say which server is stronger from one another. If I had to give a go, I would say UW is just a tiny bit stronger because, if I remember right, we have better night coverage.

And what comes to you wiping the floor with FR two weeks ago, you won them with 30k points. And thats a week after WE had won them with 50k points.

Get your facts straight man.

Edit: Ahh, I think I missed the point by few inches here. You ment your core group wiping our arses. Heh, well was fun research about FR & UW history!

Edit #2: Checked the November match up. Fair enough, you beated us with 55k points. But Drakkar wiped both of us by winning you guys with 110k points, heh

fab.3298:

iorlas.6721:

He means they can’t do it “the old fashioned way”

We can, and we do every day. I don’t enjoy it though so prefer to get it over and done with as quickly as possible.

Ahh ok that’s cool.you’re one of those that likes easy mode gaming all’s clear now.

Paavotar.3971:

I’m not quite sure what you are looking at Genotix, but we didn’t fight Fort Ranik in november. Actually, we fought them for the first time in January. And we lost to them with 16k points, which is kinda close match. Then we had another fight with them next week and we won that, barely, but we won them.

Then, at week 5, on february we lost to Fort ranik with quite a big number of 60k points. Then we had another go with them on March and we won with 3k. Go go UW! Then we had 3 fights with them on May and we won all of them. Two fights on june, they won one, we won one. and then at week 29 @ July, when we last had a match with Fort Ranik, we won them with 50k points.

To be fair, the matches with FR has been always fun and thigh matches and I have liked them all. Also, you can’t really say which server is stronger from one another. If I had to give a go, I would say UW is just a tiny bit stronger because, if I remember right, we have better night coverage.

And what comes to you wiping the floor with FR two weeks ago, you won them with 30k points. And thats a week after WE had won them with 50k points.

Get your facts straight man.

Edit: Ahh, I think I missed the point by few inches here. You ment your core group wiping our arses. Heh, well was fun research about FR & UW history!

Mate sorry if it didn’t sound clear, i was talking about Gunnars. About our core group that were beating you back in November.
I only said that our core group, with tiny additions, was Gunnars Hold untill 2 weeks ago:)

Genotix.6804:

Paavotar.3971:

I’m not quite sure what you are looking at Genotix, but we didn’t fight Fort Ranik in november. Actually, we fought them for the first time in January. And we lost to them with 16k points, which is kinda close match. Then we had another fight with them next week and we won that, barely, but we won them.

Then, at week 5, on february we lost to Fort ranik with quite a big number of 60k points. Then we had another go with them on March and we won with 3k. Go go UW! Then we had 3 fights with them on May and we won all of them. Two fights on june, they won one, we won one. and then at week 29 @ July, when we last had a match with Fort Ranik, we won them with 50k points.

To be fair, the matches with FR has been always fun and thigh matches and I have liked them all. Also, you can’t really say which server is stronger from one another. If I had to give a go, I would say UW is just a tiny bit stronger because, if I remember right, we have better night coverage.

And what comes to you wiping the floor with FR two weeks ago, you won them with 30k points. And thats a week after WE had won them with 50k points.

Get your facts straight man.

Edit: Ahh, I think I missed the point by few inches here. You ment your core group wiping our arses. Heh, well was fun research about FR & UW history!

Mate sorry if it didn’t sound clear, i was talking about Gunnars. About our core group that were beating you back in November.
I only said that our core group, with tiny additions, was Gunnars Hold untill 2 weeks ago:)

Yea, Im getting tired as its pretty late here. But yea edited my post already to state that I misunderstood your point there. Was still fun to check a backlog of our server

golem rushes is the new meta(i will not debate if i agree its fun or not at the moment)

and as said GH have got new people and lost a few but without getting any i would have gess the matchup would have been somewhat more fair/closer but that would still not change the fact that golem rushes would be the meta.

siegeing agienst a keep or tower is easy and always has even at t3 and when they where fully aced, as i cant find a spot where i cant get a counter to hit that you will have a nightmare hitting and please dont call anyone walking loot bags as that is not a nice thing to do.

people need to calm down a little and have fun its all this game is about(or nay other game for that matter), i agree a lively debate is good for the matchup but beginning insulting is not part of that atleast thats not in my oppinion

i could say im disepointed in UW but thats because i overrated them(given the fact i never fought agienst them before) but that does not make UW worse then they are as from my prespectiv you guys are very tactical and i have a hard time fighering out what your next move is, and i love that type of warfair and we are mainly winning because of our coverage and numbers(atleast to some degree).

Hear me all, hear me all. I just found a proof that Underworld is better server than Gunnars Hold!

Underworld has never been below rank 22 and Gunnars Hold has been rank 23 for a whopping 3 weeks! This must be the message from god, carved into a toast! All your trash talking is now over.

It’s over everyone, Underworld won!

It’s just a joke. Have to add this here so none gets offended
I’m just too tired and should sleep. But all the diagrams!

LoL good one Paav. Don’t worry noone takes offence from a joke especially when it is true also
Gunnars at many points was close to be the 3rd server of the Vabbi, FoW matches and that is why some of us older GH players feel some joy and pride when this server is fighting tooth and nails with bigger ones:)

Guys, I’ve got a serious question concerning your anger about golem rushes.

Why don’t you do it yourself if it’s so easy to win a match with that?

If your answer is “because it’s not honorable!”, you don’t have any reason to complain as we have no obligation to assume your code of honor.

If your answer is “because it’s too expensive!”, you don’t have any reason to complain as we’re allowed to spend as much money as we want on whatever we want.

And if your answer is “we don’t have the numbers”, I think you’re just badly organized, as I have seen your numbers during the weekend.

Don’t get me wrong, I respect UW and I’ve seen some great fighting so far but I can’t wrap my head around you guys complaining about us playing the game the way it’s intended?

kudos to the ÄÄ ranger and the GuM thief in UW BL from MM

Thanks to the UW for the good fights at our borders this night. Straight up fights i loved them. As i said your pugs are better than many of the guilds we have faced to our previous matches:)

Genotix.6804:

Thanks to the UW for the good fights at our borders this night. Straight up fights i loved them. As i said your pugs are better than many of the guilds we have faced to our previous matches:)

TBH this whole matchup has been a big ball of fun.
Have to applaud Gunnar for their organised assaulting of UW BL and EB… I personally don’t give a hoot if you plant golems and sieges all over .. as someone else pointed out a few posts back, every server has the same capability…
Tonight the fights were pretty full frontal, at least in the group I was running with and we had to pick our targets and tactics carefully.
It was also good to see Arbor stepping up to be counted tonight, and we had some decent encounters both on your home map and on EB.. for what appears to be a small pop WvW server you guys can walk away from this week with ya pride intact for sticking at it and amassing a pretty decent points tally already.. but come to EB more often.. I wants different shinnies to the ones GH keep throwing at me

Hello Gunnars! Just dropping in to say hi, gogogo keep winning just a few ranks more and there will be a chance we will face each other!

Have fun rest of the week! much love from FURY

ballyboy.9143:

Okaishi.8320:

I seriously hope this is the last time we face GH. Bandwagon server that can only golem rush, it’s killing so much of the fun.

Someone sounds kitten, we can do things without golems, but can you defend a tower without a billion AC? Don’t complain about our golem use when your use of AC is equally unskilled. Personally i don’t want to fight underworld again because all you guys do is bunker down in towers, never come out and fight. That saps the fun out of the game for us.

In my opinion taking a well defended Keep with the same number of attacker and defenders is the most fun for me.
All your arguments about billions AC’s forcing you to use golemrushes are just a cheap excuse bcs you want the cap. I really hope Anet is deleting Golems out of the game.
This would be bad for ppl who cant invest 3-4 hours for capping a keep but for those who can it would be way way more fun.

And for those open field fights you were looking for. When you ambushed our group at Quarry tonight and lost the fight – you teamed up with RAGE and TEO to farm our public group in front of our keep instead of going for another try with our +- same seized group at quarry/sunnyhill.

Anyway, had some nice fights against both servers by now, hopefew more are comming at the end of the week.

HF

ZStefanovic.2475:

Hello Gunnars! Just dropping in to say hi, gogogo keep winning just a few ranks more and there will be a chance we will face each other!

Have fun rest of the week! much love from FURY

Come back home allready so we can hold hands for once more:)

Genotix.6804:

Thanks to the UW for the good fights at our borders this night. Straight up fights i loved them. As i said your pugs are better than many of the guilds we have faced to our previous matches:)

Straight up fights?
Been at your BDL for 5h and all we’ve seen was TEO + WBC + pugs camped infront of bay, in cannon and ac range facing less than half their numbers… Do explain your straight up fights.
Anyways, good fights, expected more from you though

I’m speaking in my behalf, noone else

Sogradde.8016:

Guys, I’ve got a serious question concerning your anger about golem rushes.

Why don’t you do it yourself if it’s so easy to win a match with that?

I think the answer to that question is fairly obvious if you had paid attention to the posts me and Paavotar made, and it goes for quite a few people at UW. A lot of us simply don’t enjoy golem rushes, be it our golems our the opponent’s. Sure, we can’t fault you for using siege that is available to everyone in the game, but is it neccessary to throw omegas at keeps every time you want to capture one? Not really.

As to what is intended gameplay and what is not, there’s so much stuff that players do in WvW that is not intended. Duels, GvG, all of that is not intended by A-net but players do it because it’s fun. Golems are intended, but that does not make it neccessarily fun to use them. Maybe you think so, but a lot of us don’t. But in the end everyone is free to do whatever they want, but don’t expect us to enjoy being golem rushed all the time.

Yeah sorry Botinhas we were camping outside bay. As this picture of the battle shows, we clearly outmanned you 2 to 1, maybe even 3 to 1. But even with such odd in our favour we were just too scared to push on you. I do apologies, you’re too pro guys. Just too kitten pro.

Botinhas.2018:

Genotix.6804:

Thanks to the UW for the good fights at our borders this night. Straight up fights i loved them. As i said your pugs are better than many of the guilds we have faced to our previous matches:)

Straight up fights?
Been at your BDL for 5h and all we’ve seen was TEO + WBC + pugs camped infront of bay, in cannon and ac range facing less than half their numbers… Do explain your straight up fights.
Anyways, good fights, expected more from you though

I’m speaking in my behalf, noone else

Your numbers are off way off mate.

Genotix.6804:

Botinhas.2018:

Genotix.6804:

Thanks to the UW for the good fights at our borders this night. Straight up fights i loved them. As i said your pugs are better than many of the guilds we have faced to our previous matches:)

Straight up fights?
Been at your BDL for 5h and all we’ve seen was TEO + WBC + pugs camped infront of bay, in cannon and ac range facing less than half their numbers… Do explain your straight up fights.
Anyways, good fights, expected more from you though

I’m speaking in my behalf, noone else

Your numbers are off way off mate.

Not really…

Anyway, I was there for the evening, again, at GH. I had high expectations of some great fights and the potential was there for them at GH Bay. But…. What is with the only fighting within cannon and AC range Gunners?? I’m not trying to have a go, I would genuinely like to know. If you had only a few against a mass of us i could understand, but at no time did we outnumber you. We tried to communicate with you and let you know we were up for a fight (that was what all the /bowing was about), tbh we couldn’t have cared less about taking Bay. Just as we thought we were going to get a fight you would hightail it back into seige range, I’ve never seen so much running in my life!. And the guys you had on the cannons must have been maxed out for wvw rank trait.
Fair enough if you don’t like fighting and just want to defend your keep, that’s your perogative, but from reading these forums I had the impression you were all for a good old massive brawl.
If there was an actual reason for all this tonight I would genuinely be interested to know. We had a theory that you had engaged a new tactic called boring your enemy to death. I have to say, in the end it was quite effective.

P.S. was surprised to see a TEO commander running back into the seige range over and over, as far as I am aware our server holds that guild in quite high fighting respect.

P.P.S. I am not looking for a flame war, if there were reasons I would really like to know as I was so disappointed. Could have been epic…

As far as i remember you were attacking bay and teo and wbc came and wipe you.
Then we had some fights at vale were we wipe you again. You took briar, we took it back, you wiped us, we wiped you that was the story i remember mate.
I know you aren’t about to start a flame war but imo we had some great fights, no ac were used at the open field , just some good old fashioned slaughter.:)
At first we had 2 people at our borders and when i saw the outmanned buff i called for help. TEO and WBC showed up and that was it.
Btw you guys have some fighting spirit and i really like that. You kept regrouping and coming and i really like that.
You are in no way like other servers we faced, even higher than you and us, that when we wipe them 1 time they leave borders only to come back to check after 1 hour if we have left. Keep it up.

Genotix.6804:

As far as i remember you were attacking bay and teo and wbc came and wipe you.
Then we had some fights at vale were we wipe you again. You took briar, we took it back, you wiped us, we wiped you that was the story i remember mate.
I know you aren’t about to start a flame war but imo we had some great fights, no ac were used at the open field , just some good old fashioned slaughter.:)
At first we had 2 people at our borders and when i saw the outmanned buff i called for help. TEO and WBC showed up and that was it.
Btw you guys have some fighting spirit and i really like that. You kept regrouping and coming and i really like that.
You are in no way like other servers we faced, even higher than you and us, that when we wipe them 1 time they leave borders only to come back to check after 1 hour if we have left. Keep it up.

Thank you for not giving a kitten reply, much appreciated, because i genuinely do want to know what was going on.
I guess things are always going to look so much different from our opposing angles on the fight.
If u guys fancy an even numbered, open field, smash-fest we would love that so let us know.
P.S. I don’t necessarily mean gvg, just same / similar number of opponents and no seige

Good morning Underworld, slept well?

iorlas.6721:

Only reason GH are winning is numbers…3 seperate zerg’s to UW 1 in our boarder.they have more Golems than we have players.TEO and RAGE running together just to take camps…rotfl.The odd time we meet with anything like even numbers you run away.fortunatly NNF are walking lootbags so they pay for repairs.

NNF walking lootbags? are you fighting us with bigger numbers? NNF’s biggest weakness is our size. BTW LOVE the tick right now

Cufufalating.8479:

Yeah sorry Botinhas we were camping outside bay. As this picture of the battle shows, we clearly outmanned you 2 to 1, maybe even 3 to 1. But even with such odd in our favour we were just too scared to push on you. I do apologies, you’re too pro guys. Just too kitten pro.

Smart of you to take the print when you had guys on walls manning ac’s and cannons and prolly WBC had already left at 2am, you should have taken that print at 22gmt, but i yeah, we only have proof of what suits us, right?
Just like when you both go to our BDL with 60 ganged up, nothing aggainst that, infact, i love it, just didnt expect to be fighting more numbers + ac’s or any other siege

Honestly, i rather face Aurora or even RoS with which we can have amazing fights than you guys,

Flamey you are boring yourselves to death with your 10 months old tactic trebbing from vale, Gunnar’s people would go on strike having to treb for 3 hours.. why should we charge that death hole? We had 2 guilds and the rest was unorganized pugs who die in an instant (i include myself here) while you seem to have quite a big number of coordinated people who are used to running together on voice chat, which in my opinion equals a guild group, or close to. Yes you were stronger in the field but in the end you didnt take anything and wiped at inner bay. Maybe rethink your tactics and start attacking the whole map instead of only 1 structure with everyone because its fairly easy keeping you busy when you use only 1/10 of the map.

Botinhas.2018:

Cufufalating.8479:

Yeah sorry Botinhas we were camping outside bay. As this picture of the battle shows, we clearly outmanned you 2 to 1, maybe even 3 to 1. But even with such odd in our favour we were just too scared to push on you. I do apologies, you’re too pro guys. Just too kitten pro.

Smart of you to take the print when you had guys on walls manning ac’s and cannons and prolly WBC had already left at 2am, you should have taken that print at 22gmt, but i yeah, we only have proof of what suits us, right?
Just like when you both go to our BDL with 60 ganged up, nothing aggainst that, infact, i love it, just didnt expect to be fighting more numbers + ac’s or any other siege

Honestly, i rather face Aurora or even RoS with which we can have amazing fights than you guys,

Or you could look on the map of their screenshot and see you are wrong……

hihey.1075:

Good morning Underworld, slept well?

Yup sure did…you enjoy another night of PvD??