Guild Wars 2

Niim.9260:

Boonprot.6274:

The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.

Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.

Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.

So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.

Do you even follow this “meta”? In NA at least? Hammer trains are being beaten every week now, just last night us vs GF, last week AGG vs EP and a few weeks before that. Nobody cares if you think “stacking” is boring, it’s effective and EVERYBODY does some sort of it.

As with any other competitive game, metas will shift and change all the time, so there’s literally no point in complaining about one of them.

Sil.4560:

Played a little tonight. Remembered why I hadn’t all week – there is nothing impressive out there. Some group from BP – Borlis Savers guild – actually sat on a wall for ten solid minutes and refused a duel. Other players are downright disappointing.

Do not come on forums complaining no one will dual you. That is utter childish. You can not force anyone to dual you. If you want to dual, go fight the 1s near windmill or wherever dualing takes place or go into Spvp. WvW is meant for groups to fight each other. I haven’t stepped in wvw much this week because of Maguuma server, Don’t like that server at all since I have seen nothing but bad sportmanship from them. I do not know if you are mag or ebay but Mag can’t seem to fight 1v1 anyway. From roaming for daily I seen mag run from me only to come back with a group of 5+ following just to kill one player. I hear that alot from other people that Maguuma can’t fight alone, but you do not see me coming onto forums and posting ridiculous posts like that. I just go opposite way and finish my daily then leave.

Comprissent.3856:

Niim.9260:

Boonprot.6274:

The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.

Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.

Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.

So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.

Do you even follow this “meta”? In NA at least? Hammer trains are being beaten every week now, just last night us vs GF, last week AGG vs EP and a few weeks before that. Nobody cares if you think “stacking” is boring, it’s effective and EVERYBODY does some sort of it.

As with any other competitive game, metas will shift and change all the time, so there’s literally no point in complaining about one of them.

makes me wonder why the meta hasn’t actually shifted yet

saiyr.3071:

Comprissent.3856:

Niim.9260:

Boonprot.6274:

The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.

Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.

Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.

So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.

Do you even follow this “meta”? In NA at least? Hammer trains are being beaten every week now, just last night us vs GF, last week AGG vs EP and a few weeks before that. Nobody cares if you think “stacking” is boring, it’s effective and EVERYBODY does some sort of it.

As with any other competitive game, metas will shift and change all the time, so there’s literally no point in complaining about one of them.

makes me wonder why the meta hasn’t actually shifted yet

well because “hammer Train” can win.
we did loose 2 rounds last night

Buffy.9246:

Sil.4560:

Played a little tonight. Remembered why I hadn’t all week – there is nothing impressive out there. Some group from BP – Borlis Savers guild – actually sat on a wall for ten solid minutes and refused a duel. Other players are downright disappointing.

Do not come on forums complaining no one will dual you. That is utter childish. You can not force anyone to dual you. If you want to dual, go fight the 1s near windmill or wherever dualing takes place or go into Spvp. WvW is meant for groups to fight each other. I haven’t stepped in wvw much this week because of Maguuma server, Don’t like that server at all since I have seen nothing but bad sportmanship from them. I do not know if you are mag or ebay but Mag can’t seem to fight 1v1 anyway. From roaming for daily I seen mag run from me only to come back with a group of 5+ following just to kill one player. I hear that alot from other people that Maguuma can’t fight alone, but you do not see me coming onto forums and posting ridiculous posts like that. I just go opposite way and finish my daily then leave.

Much rather stick with, “staying up on walls hiding from one person makes you a scurred kitten! Nyah nyah!”

Yup. Like that far better.

saiyr.3071:

makes me wonder why the meta hasn’t actually shifted yet

Because you can always just add more hammers and get better that way

Evalana.5480:

I’ll duel you!

Aren’t you like a thief main though? I usually don’t bother with them because there’s no point in dueling a class that will just disappear forever when they start to lose. Thanks for the offer though.

Buffy.9246:

Do not come on forums complaining no one will dual you. That is utter childish. You can not force anyone to dual you. If you want to dual, go fight the 1s near windmill or wherever dualing takes place or go into Spvp. WvW is meant for groups to fight each other. I haven’t stepped in wvw much this week because of Maguuma server, Don’t like that server at all since I have seen nothing but bad sportmanship from them. I do not know if you are mag or ebay but Mag can’t seem to fight 1v1 anyway. From roaming for daily I seen mag run from me only to come back with a group of 5+ following just to kill one player. I hear that alot from other people that Maguuma can’t fight alone, but you do not see me coming onto forums and posting ridiculous posts like that. I just go opposite way and finish my daily then leave.

First of all, your post is an incomprehensible mess which has no valid points regarding criticism of my asking other players for duels. It’s what, your opinion? That’s worthless. I don’t care about your opinion. Secondly, you apparently don’t know a kitten thing about what happened, so your idiotic scenarios and hypothetical explanations are completely unwarranted and a waste of my time because I’m not from Maguuma anyway. sPvP is so laughably different that I’m not even going to justify that part of your post with an actual response.

It’s “utter childish” to stand on a wall and refuse to fight in front of a keep you control, instead opting to throw barely legible insults like “kiss my blackheads hhaahahaaaaha” and “lol your crying”. You don’t want to hop down off your wall and duel players because you have nothing resembling personal skill? I guess that’s your call. It doesn’t make you any less cowardly. If you can’t back your /dance and /laugh with the ability to duel, you have no reason to use them because quite honestly the only thing you’ve accomplished at the end of the day is running an arrow cart and feeling better about yourself because you weren’t stomped in a video game due to some pathetic refusal to actually play it.

Now if you have anything else resembling some sad excuse for a response to me, go ahead and post it, because I can’t wait to tear down another wall of trash. I can’t wait to go into the mind blowing hypocrisy that is coming on to a forum to complain about people you think are complaining about lack of duels. Do you even think before you type? Or at all? I know it’s a lot to ask, but people like you are seriously getting tiresome.

Buffy.9246:

Sil.4560:

Played a little tonight. Remembered why I hadn’t all week – there is nothing impressive out there. Some group from BP – Borlis Savers guild – actually sat on a wall for ten solid minutes and refused a duel. Other players are downright disappointing.

Do not come on forums complaining no one will dual you. That is utter childish. You can not force anyone to dual you. If you want to dual, go fight the 1s near windmill or wherever dualing takes place or go into Spvp. WvW is meant for groups to fight each other. I haven’t stepped in wvw much this week because of Maguuma server, Don’t like that server at all since I have seen nothing but bad sportmanship from them. I do not know if you are mag or ebay but Mag can’t seem to fight 1v1 anyway. From roaming for daily I seen mag run from me only to come back with a group of 5+ following just to kill one player. I hear that alot from other people that Maguuma can’t fight alone, but you do not see me coming onto forums and posting ridiculous posts like that. I just go opposite way and finish my daily then leave.

Every single night we have to resort to breaking down keep walls to even get BP/EBay to play. Yesterday night, we ended up cataing down NWT on BP BL to try and get some action. Then we skirmished for 15 minutes or so (during which one of our members got PMs saying that apparently we were trash who could “only move really well together” but “had no damage,” except we kept insta-downing people who got caught in our bombs? idk), and then moved on to open-field trebbing down garrison to see if we could get people to come play. BP dropped a counter-treb inside garri and disappeared. Yawn.

Only good fight we got last night was at Golanta where EBay kept res-rushing and snuck behind us to build ACs in the camp. EBay building open-field siege? Blasphemy! Don’t get me wrong, it was a ton of fun and lasted for 20 minutes or so without any interference on our side (a rare occurrence), but the amount of siege being built to try and wipe us was both unsurprising and sad.

Don’t even get me started that there’s only one guild on all of EBay and BP who offered to GvG.

Such a fun matchup.

Boonprot.6274:

Buffy.9246:

Sil.4560:

Played a little tonight. Remembered why I hadn’t all week – there is nothing impressive out there. Some group from BP – Borlis Savers guild – actually sat on a wall for ten solid minutes and refused a duel. Other players are downright disappointing.

Do not come on forums complaining no one will dual you. That is utter childish. You can not force anyone to dual you. If you want to dual, go fight the 1s near windmill or wherever dualing takes place or go into Spvp. WvW is meant for groups to fight each other. I haven’t stepped in wvw much this week because of Maguuma server, Don’t like that server at all since I have seen nothing but bad sportmanship from them. I do not know if you are mag or ebay but Mag can’t seem to fight 1v1 anyway. From roaming for daily I seen mag run from me only to come back with a group of 5+ following just to kill one player. I hear that alot from other people that Maguuma can’t fight alone, but you do not see me coming onto forums and posting ridiculous posts like that. I just go opposite way and finish my daily then leave.

Every single night we have to resort to breaking down keep walls to even get BP/EBay to play. Yesterday night, we ended up cataing down NWT on BP BL to try and get some action. Then we skirmished for 15 minutes or so (during which one of our members got PMs saying that apparently we were trash who could “only move really well together” but “had no damage,” except we kept insta-downing people who got caught in our bombs? idk), and then moved on to open-field trebbing down garrison to see if we could get people to come play. BP dropped a counter-treb inside garri and disappeared. Yawn.

Only good fight we got last night was at Golanta where EBay kept res-rushing and snuck behind us to build ACs in the camp. EBay building open-field siege? Blasphemy! Don’t get me wrong, it was a ton of fun and lasted for 20 minutes or so without any interference on our side (a rare occurrence), but the amount of siege being built to try and wipe us was both unsurprising and sad.

Don’t even get me started that there’s only one guild on all of EBay and BP who offered to GvG.

Such a fun matchup.

we had to deal with BP tower hugging for 13 weeks.
1 week is nothing lol

Sil.4560:

Evalana.5480:

I’ll duel you!

Aren’t you like a thief main though? I usually don’t bother with them because there’s no point in dueling a class that will just disappear forever when they start to lose. Thanks for the offer though.

Buffy.9246:

Do not come on forums complaining no one will dual you. That is utter childish. You can not force anyone to dual you. If you want to dual, go fight the 1s near windmill or wherever dualing takes place or go into Spvp. WvW is meant for groups to fight each other. I haven’t stepped in wvw much this week because of Maguuma server, Don’t like that server at all since I have seen nothing but bad sportmanship from them. I do not know if you are mag or ebay but Mag can’t seem to fight 1v1 anyway. From roaming for daily I seen mag run from me only to come back with a group of 5+ following just to kill one player. I hear that alot from other people that Maguuma can’t fight alone, but you do not see me coming onto forums and posting ridiculous posts like that. I just go opposite way and finish my daily then leave.

First of all, your post is an incomprehensible mess which has no valid points regarding criticism of my asking other players for duels. It’s what, your opinion? That’s worthless. I don’t care about your opinion. Secondly, you apparently don’t know a kitten thing about what happened, so your idiotic scenarios and hypothetical explanations are completely unwarranted and a waste of my time because I’m not from Maguuma anyway. sPvP is so laughably different that I’m not even going to justify that part of your post with an actual response.

It’s “utter childish” to stand on a wall and refuse to fight in front of a keep you control, instead opting to throw barely legible insults like “kiss my blackheads hhaahahaaaaha” and “lol your crying”. You don’t want to hop down off your wall and duel players because you have nothing resembling personal skill? I guess that’s your call. It doesn’t make you any less cowardly. If you can’t back your /dance and /laugh with the ability to duel, you have no reason to use them because quite honestly the only thing you’ve accomplished at the end of the day is running an arrow cart and feeling better about yourself because you weren’t stomped in a video game due to some pathetic refusal to actually play it.

Now if you have anything else resembling some sad excuse for a response to me, go ahead and post it, because I can’t wait to tear down another wall of trash. I can’t wait to go into the mind blowing hypocrisy that is coming on to a forum to complain about people you think are complaining about lack of duels. Do you even think before you type? Or at all? I know it’s a lot to ask, but people like you are seriously getting tiresome.

Incorrect. 85% necro, 10% mesmer, 4% guard, 1% thief. My ranger is retired.

Evalana.5480:

Incorrect. 85% necro, 10% mesmer, 4% guard, 1% thief. My ranger is retired.

Ah! Neat. One less annoying thief player is always a good thing.

Boonprot.6274:

Every single night we have to resort to breaking down keep walls to even get BP/EBay to play. Yesterday night, we ended up cataing down NWT on BP BL to try and get some action. Then we skirmished for 15 minutes or so (during which one of our members got PMs saying that apparently we were trash who could “only move really well together” but “had no damage,” except we kept insta-downing people who got caught in our bombs? idk), and then moved on to open-field trebbing down garrison to see if we could get people to come play. BP dropped a counter-treb inside garri and disappeared. Yawn.

Only good fight we got last night was at Golanta where EBay kept res-rushing and snuck behind us to build ACs in the camp. EBay building open-field siege? Blasphemy! Don’t get me wrong, it was a ton of fun and lasted for 20 minutes or so without any interference on our side (a rare occurrence), but the amount of siege being built to try and wipe us was both unsurprising and sad.

Don’t even get me started that there’s only one guild on all of EBay and BP who offered to GvG.

Such a fun matchup.

Soooo, you’re mad because the 6-10 of us that are on at night don’t just jump onto the swords of your frothing mobs usually superior numbers?

You’re also mad because we have like two, maybe three guilds even big enough, let alone skilled enough, for GvG? It’s pretty much down to [GF] and maybe [FTF]? Don’t know how [GH] is doing in numbers these days. I’d face you all on behalf of [SLVR]. Mostly as a stunt though to put them on the GvG scoring map for lulz lol. There’s only about 8 dedicated WvW’ers from my guild, and they’re all on at different time intervals.

Don’t know what you want from us precisely… I can’t speak for Borliss, but I know aside from [BS] their night numbers aren’t much to brag about either. Aside from being better than ours.

Superior numbers?! WTF r u spewing?

I think you took the post to heart a little to much. The ONLY fights we’ve been getting are from ebay, he was criticizing BP more than anything. That being said BP is a mini-JQ boring as kitten to play against.

Snafu.7412:

Superior numbers?! WTF r u spewing?

I think you took the post to heart a little to much. The ONLY fights we’ve been getting are from ebay, he was criticizing BP more than anything. That being said BP is a mini-JQ boring as kitten to play against.

Just throwing that out there lol. It’s not uncommon for us to not even be able to muster the numbers to start a breakout until after 7-8 AM. It’s sad, but it’s common-place for us.

As for BP being boring this week, apparently their trump card broke his comp screen in a fit of rage recently, rofl!

Mag has no numbers at 7-8AM either. So I don’t know what you were getting at there.

Ark doesn’t have more than 20-25 people running with us, unless it’s reset night when Agg normally joins us because Agg doesn’t organize for reset. There were more than 20 BP by the end coming at us during our skirmish outside of NWT. We also got ran over by a queue blob of BP outside their keep in Eternal about a half hour later. So yeah.

For your entertainment, GF vs Ark

Sil.4560:

Played a little tonight. Remembered why I hadn’t all week – there is nothing impressive out there. Some group from BP – Borlis Savers guild – actually sat on a wall for ten solid minutes and refused a duel. Other players are downright disappointing.

We don’t teach our people to duel. In fact, exactly the opposite, I tell them to not chase random people at all in WvW. That is not to say we don’t have members that don’t look for these kinds of fights, but as an organized group we prioritize taking and holding towers over random fighting.

Every single night we have to resort to breaking down keep walls to even get BP/EBay to play. Yesterday night, we ended up cataing down NWT on BP BL to try and get some action. Then we skirmished for 15 minutes or so (during which one of our members got PMs saying that apparently we were trash who could “only move really well together” but “had no damage,” except we kept insta-downing people who got caught in our bombs? idk), and then moved on to open-field trebbing down garrison to see if we could get people to come play. BP dropped a counter-treb inside garri and disappeared. Yawn.

Only good fight we got last night was at Golanta where EBay kept res-rushing and snuck behind us to build ACs in the camp. EBay building open-field siege? Blasphemy! Don’t get me wrong, it was a ton of fun and lasted for 20 minutes or so without any interference on our side (a rare occurrence), but the amount of siege being built to try and wipe us was both unsurprising and sad.

Don’t even get me started that there’s only one guild on all of EBay and BP who offered to GvG.

Such a fun matchup.

Howd I know tht would get back to ya. I r so smart!!! lol.

Aeros.2046:

We don’t teach our people to duel. In fact, exactly the opposite, I tell them to not chase random people at all in WvW. That is not to say we don’t have members that don’t look for these kinds of fights, but as an organized group we prioritize taking and holding towers over random fighting.

There’s a difference between “chasing random players” and coming down off of Bay wall to have a single fight with a single player when a full party of your allies is plainly inside to defend anyway.

Anyway, they don’t heed your advice anyway. It’s downright laughable how far they’ll run after a single player in the open field if they think they can get an easy kill because it’s 1v4+. You can pretend it’s some sort of discipline all you want, but we both know that taunting on a keep wall instead of jumping down for a duel in this situation is nothing more than pathetic, especially with the garbage trash talk they were spewing in party chat.

It’s fine though, I already knew the outcome. I haven’t met a single person from your guild who was a threat anyway. I just like seeing my SAB finisher.

Niim.9260:

Boonprot.6274:

The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.

Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.

Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.

So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.

Also, note that he was not counting hammer guardians.

100% agreed with your last few posts on the current meta.

Buffy.9246:

I do not know if you are mag or ebay but Mag can’t seem to fight 1v1 anyway. From roaming for daily I seen mag run from me only to come back with a group of 5+ following just to kill one player. I hear that alot from other people that Maguuma can’t fight alone, but you do not see me coming onto forums and posting ridiculous posts like that.

You just did.

Every server has it’s good players and bad players.

Oozo.7856:

Niim.9260:

Boonprot.6274:

The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.

Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.

Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.

So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.

Also, note that he was not counting hammer guardians.

100% agreed with your last few posts on the current meta.

I did not see enough AD this match. I am sad. Though it was all my fault.

Oozo.7856:

Buffy.9246:

I do not know if you are mag or ebay but Mag can’t seem to fight 1v1 anyway. From roaming for daily I seen mag run from me only to come back with a group of 5+ following just to kill one player. I hear that alot from other people that Maguuma can’t fight alone, but you do not see me coming onto forums and posting ridiculous posts like that.

You just did.

Every server has it’s good players and bad players.

lol awkward

so who is looking forward to tonight’s match??

Agg vs GF is gonna be a throw down.

Can Agg win Mag some bragging rights after their “All Star” team failed vs GF???

We’ll find out tonight 20:00 server time

Jinks.2057:

Agg vs GF is gonna be a throw down.

Can Agg win Mag some bragging rights after their “All Star” team failed vs GF???

We’ll find out tonight 20:00 server time

Oh you’re making up names for us now?

It’s amazing nobody is giving credit to GF, they have an incredibly talented group, and there’s no shame in losing to them.

Aeros.2046:

Sil.4560:

Played a little tonight. Remembered why I hadn’t all week – there is nothing impressive out there. Some group from BP – Borlis Savers guild – actually sat on a wall for ten solid minutes and refused a duel. Other players are downright disappointing.

We don’t teach our people to duel. In fact, exactly the opposite, I tell them to not chase random people at all in WvW. That is not to say we don’t have members that don’t look for these kinds of fights, but as an organized group we prioritize taking and holding towers over random fighting.

how much do you love siege on a scale of 1-10

Ark Vs GF from our point of view. Added in all rounds including the Null one. It sucked there was so many DC’s and I really wish Anet would at least remove those warthogs. Please Anet just give us that.

http://youtu.be/R7K3e8U1Szo

Can’t wait for a rematch. The ones where nothing kitten happened were really close.

Sil.4560:

There’s a difference between “chasing random players” and coming down off of Bay wall to have a single fight with a single player when a full party of your allies is plainly inside to defend anyway.

Anyway, they don’t heed your advice anyway. It’s downright laughable how far they’ll run after a single player in the open field if they think they can get an easy kill because it’s 1v4+. You can pretend it’s some sort of discipline all you want, but we both know that taunting on a keep wall instead of jumping down for a duel in this situation is nothing more than pathetic, especially with the garbage trash talk they were spewing in party chat.

It’s fine though, I already knew the outcome. I haven’t met a single person from your guild who was a threat anyway. I just like seeing my SAB finisher.

If I was there I gladly would have. It’s so hard to find a 1v1 anyway now days…even if I lose. Can’t expect to get better without trying. xD But….it sounds like I should get out of tpvp and see whats going on in wubwub.

Niim.9260:

Boonprot.6274:

The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.

Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.

Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.

So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.

Stacking is how you keep safe as a not-so-good player with 2-3 players focusing on JUST YOU. Stacking “prevents” that. And Anet’s mechanic of an AoE cap prevents the stacking from making a group vulnerable to AoE bombing ONE AREA.

^^^^100% of the reason people stack in this game.
Edit: you know how many people would have quit this game if when they stacked, a group 4-5x less their size absolutely dropped them and everyone else around because of no aoe cap? Thus, the AoE cap. It’s all about keeping those custies.

Jscull.2514:

Niim.9260:

Boonprot.6274:

The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.

Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.

Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.

So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.

Stacking is how you keep safe as a not-so-good player with 2-3 players focusing on JUST YOU. Stacking “prevents” that. And Anet’s mechanic of an AoE cap prevents the stacking from making a group vulnerable to AoE bombing ONE AREA.

^^^^100% of the reason people stack in this game.

The best players in the world will die to focus fire from semi-intelligent players, so your point is moot. Stacking is for heals and keeping everyone’s heads in the game. If you need to stack because you’re bad, maybe that’s a personal problem

Comprissent.3856:

Jscull.2514:

Niim.9260:

Boonprot.6274:

The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.

Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.

Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.

So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.

Stacking is how you keep safe as a not-so-good player with 2-3 players focusing on JUST YOU. Stacking “prevents” that. And Anet’s mechanic of an AoE cap prevents the stacking from making a group vulnerable to AoE bombing ONE AREA.

^^^^100% of the reason people stack in this game.

The best players in the world will die to focus fire from semi-intelligent players, so your point is moot. Stacking is for heals and keeping everyone’s heads in the game. If you need to stack because you’re bad, maybe that’s a personal problem

False. The best players in the world will not die to focus fire from people who are only semi-intelligent. That’s not even close to true.

Comprissent.3856:

Jinks.2057:

Agg vs GF is gonna be a throw down.

Can Agg win Mag some bragging rights after their “All Star” team failed vs GF???

We’ll find out tonight 20:00 server time

Oh you’re making up names for us now?

It’s amazing nobody is giving credit to GF, they have an incredibly talented group, and there’s no shame in losing to them.

I didn’t make up any name for Ark.

I’m just wondering how the Mag “All Star” team lost to a lowly Ebay skill group.

It’s not like GF is stealing members from all Ebay’s guilds ya know

Jinks.2057:

Comprissent.3856:

Jinks.2057:

Agg vs GF is gonna be a throw down.

Can Agg win Mag some bragging rights after their “All Star” team failed vs GF???

We’ll find out tonight 20:00 server time

Oh you’re making up names for us now?

It’s amazing nobody is giving credit to GF, they have an incredibly talented group, and there’s no shame in losing to them.

I didn’t make up any name for Ark.

I’m just wondering how the Mag “All Star” team lost to a lowly Ebay skill group.

It’s not like GF is stealing members from all Ebay’s guilds ya know

Not worth my time

Jscull.2514:

Comprissent.3856:

The best players in the world will die to focus fire from semi-intelligent players, so your point is moot. Stacking is for heals and keeping everyone’s heads in the game. If you need to stack because you’re bad, maybe that’s a personal problem

False. The best players in the world will not die to focus fire from people who are only semi-intelligent. That’s not even close to true.

relative.

As for stacking and regrouping, its effective period, and if its effective for bad players, good players can make even better use of it.

if you don’t want to understand, tldr; the next part:

Stacking and grouping up tightly can counter intuitive, I would be happy for my enemy to be ignorant and think they are safe if they blob together in one spot. In an equal numbers situation strategic surround CAN be much more effective than a super tight blob.

Consider team A 20 players the surrounding and team B 20 players tightly bunched. Team B will have to move in and select a small group of players from team A to attack. While entire team A using AoE skills will hit their max aoe cap of 5 players with every skill making them much more effective. Simply watch any recent match of EP dominating with this tactic against guilds that had been previously destroying.

Tight blobs aren’t always the best strategy, even stacking regroups are not the best decisions. The real problem comes in not on the evenly matched fights but the fact that the most effective strategy is not more skill but more numbers, this is a WvW game design flaw.

If AoE cap was removed it would greatly favor team A, and make stacking a more risky strategy; I am a fan. Yet the meta would certainly shift and my opinion is that it would change from mega zerging to siege creeping and holding chokes.

They are trying to address the current meta zerg effectiveness with the reintroduction of the WvW orbs – they realize the problem, and are trying to fix it, misguided as it might be.

~ developers need to spend more time playing their game.

Edit: ~ posters need to spend more time proofing their posts.. Fixd

I love you forever [DR] ♥

That was a TON of fun!

AtlasSi.9130:

If I was there I gladly would have. It’s so hard to find a 1v1 anyway now days…even if I lose. Can’t expect to get better without trying. xD But….it sounds like I should get out of tpvp and see whats going on in wubwub.

It’s fun! PvP doesn’t allow the same sort of build customization to make for interesting 1v1 in my opinion. There’s nothing quite like encountering someone out in the field and having a sudden duel.

kartek.6428:

how much do you love siege on a scale of 1-10

burgers/10

it was just a test, I won 2g! yay me

So 12 guys should be able to hit 5, but 5 can only hit 5 of the 12…..and you defend that?

Kiliaan.1934:

Consider team A 20 players the surround and team B 20 players. Team A will have to move in and select a small group of players from team B to attack. While entire team A using AoE skills will hit their max aoe cap of 5 players with every skill making team B much more effective. Simply watch any recent match of EP dominating with this tactic against guilds that had been previously destroying.

Tight blobs aren’t always the best strategy, even stacking regroups are not the best decisions. The real problem comes in not on the evenly matched fights but the fact that the most effective strategy is not more skill but more numbers, this is a WvW game design flaw.

If AoE cap was removed it would greatly favor team B, and make stacking a more risky strategy; I am a fan. Yet the meta would certainly shift and my opinion is that it would change from mega zerging to siege creeping and holding chokes.

I’m fairly certain you just mixed up A and B… a lot. For instance, Team A will have to select small clumps of Team B while team A will hit 5 people with every aoe which makes team B more effective… wat?

GF 7 – Agg 0

GF swept Mag in GvG.

I was hoping Agg would beat GF

Jinks.2057:

GF 7 – Agg 0

GF swept Mag in GvG.

I was hoping Agg would beat GF

Was that the final score? Nice job GF!

I couldn’t find the fight on the GVG site earlier (site seems to be down atm). Was this not ranked?

- Richard

To the charr warrior in FTF I just fought, if you’re going to be trash and reset the fight when you’re one hit from death, don’t follow me around and expect me to fight you again.

How does a warrior lose to an ele anyway? lol

Sil.4560:

How does a warrior lose to an ele anyway? lol

It’s Out Of Attunement

I’m afraid that doesn’t mean anything to me aside from the fact that the name is in his signature.

Asuka Shikinami.5462:

Jinks.2057:

GF 7 – Agg 0

GF swept Mag in GvG.

I was hoping Agg would beat GF

Was that the final score? Nice job GF!

I couldn’t find the fight on the GVG site earlier (site seems to be down atm). Was this not ranked?

- Richard

Yes it was ranked

Sil.4560:

I’m afraid that doesn’t mean anything to me aside from the fact that the name is in his signature.

It means about the only time I lose is when there is a massive class imbalance.

dreztina.4820:

Sil.4560:

I’m afraid that doesn’t mean anything to me aside from the fact that the name is in his signature.

It means about the only time I lose is when there is a massive class imbalance.

I don’t remember that.

Good Luck in all your endeavors Agg!!!! It was great watching you fight Ebay’s top guild GF!!!! Some day my guild JINK will get guud like GF…..well when i get 14-19 more members

I am glad you didn’t xfer to do an EU tour though…….they’d be laughing at the NA GvG teams.

G’luck up in T1!!!!