Guild Wars 2

Good luck and have fun!

Some awesome fights last night may they continue !!

Some fights yeah, but this matchup is typical what’s wrong with the server matchup. Just look at the numbers those germans throw in, on top of their 3 stacks of bloodlust most of the time.
Still we beat the crap out of both zergs of dzg and arb at the same time. =)

aspirine, I don’t know who you are ingame but on the day you stop complaining about every kittening thing on every kittening matchup I will retire to a Tibanese monastery and live a quiet and peaceful life cuddling fluffy Pandas.

Oh I forgot this is a royce melborn dictatorship and I cant complain, is there something else I can or cannot do please?

Oh you can sure go ahead and keep whining every matchup about everything.
Or you can man up and stop complaining already.

aspirine.6852:

Some fights yeah, but this matchup is typical what’s wrong with the server matchup. Just look at the numbers those germans throw in, on top of their 3 stacks of bloodlust most of the time.
Still we beat the crap out of both zergs of dzg and arb at the same time. =)

I’m really sorry for the zerging/blobbing that my Server is doing now, and i know quite a few people in our WvW Playerbase that share this view as well. For the last seven weeks our server had like 15-20 people on a map if we were lucky (sometimes this number was responsible for all four WvW maps), and even Underworld and Far Shiverpeaks (which were the closest thing we got to a fair matchup) would usually field much bigger numbers, running around with 35-40+ at times on multiple fronts – sometimes it was hard to make the distance between the EB spawn and our keep without encountering some huge blobb waiting for players. The last week was – at least until thursday – even emptier: rank 20 Dzagonur vs rank 10 Abaddon vs rank 9 Augury Rock – defending the mainkeep against the usual 40/50(and more)ish Zergs of both Abaddon and Augury (their rather fought on our territory than on their own, probably for easier ppt) with up to 10 people (granted, one time we haven had 20ish, which was really refreshing for us) from us for hours was really annoying.

The Big problem for this Matchup are all the fair weather players from dzagonur, that came crawling out of their holes as soon as the new matchup had been determined :/ Honestly, were have all those players been during the last 7 weeks when we needed them? Probably farming champions somewhere in Frostgorge Sound… or Queensdale (-_-‘). The unusual high amount of “can we pls take Keep XYZ now pllllzz i need it for my 100% completion” requests within the mapchat so far makes me cringe inwardly, and i’am definitely not the only one here feeling like that.

Well, at least the high concentration of PvlEechers led to one amusing action on reset night One of our players was fed up with all the turned-WvW-PvE-Champ-Farmers (does this count as a word ô_o?), turned his commander tag on, and led all the Karmatrain-zerglings directly into FoW’s Spawn on EB. He was hoping that all those PvEers would just die by the hands of your Legendary NPCs (and – more preferably – by your Players themselves), and sadly this even worked out almost exactly as intended – after all it’s pretty hard to notice invulnerability buffs on an enemy, if one does nothing but farm champions 24/7.

What also bugs me is Dzagos use of Golems in this matchup. I like the idea of Golems when they are used by the underpopulated Forces (or simply small groups, which are much smaller than the average zerg size within the specific matchup), since it is kind of the only reliable way for small groups to break into keeps in time, before they get steamrolled by some 40/50/60 man blobb monstrosity. When we played against Ab/Aug, they rarely managed to break our 10 man defense, but after some hours of embarassing losses, they would always (augury in this case, not abaddon) come with at least 3 Omegas + 5-7 Alphas, which pretty much broke our Mainkeep every single time. I found this “tactic” cheap then, and i still find it cheap. When i saw a Dzagonur group running around on FoW Bordlerlands with an Omega, i was like “wtf?! seriously!?” – we do already greatly outnumber FoW, and using Omegas …. well, “overkill” doesn’t even describe it.

If the odds stay the same as they do now, i will continue to play almost neutrally for this matchup (just as i did since 0:00), which means playing normal on Dzagos Homelands and our Third on EB (fighting, defending, scouting, warning the commander, etc.), and just passively watching whenever i’am on FoW/Arb Tterritory. So if you see a [SoC] thief on a dzagonur-owned keep on your territory (for example while you’re trying to retake it), you may just ignore me as if i weren’t there, since i will neither tell anyone about your presence, nor do anything to defend it. Ofc course you can attack me as well, but that would be probably be a waste of cooldowns in this case – catching a thief that doesn’t intend to fight is kind of bothersome, after all.
[Edit: i play a male human thief with black armor (yup, 08/15) and white arm protectors – just to prevent confusions with other SoC thieves, which are mostly Asurans i think]

Anyway, i hope this week won’t be as bad to FoW and Arbor as it will over the weekend. Don’t let the mindless blobbs discourage you

wow this is probably the friendliest post I’ve ever read on these forums. Almost brought a tear to my eye

@ phirefox, it’s fine with us on FoW about your zergs, if you have such forces why not using your “tour zerg”?

As long you crushed in equal parts “red” + “blue” borderlands (Eternal will be green almost the time) for we would like to discuss the 2nd place with “Les uns et les autres” from Arbor. Wouldn’t be fair you been the respectable server from another galaxy going only after one of us, please be strong enough to get your fun but most of the time try to be fair in your choices for a competitive matchup for 2nd!

Good games

Brb loving you, phirefox

I’m actually enjoying this match up! It takes me back many months to when we (FoW) were continually outnumbered and we had to adopt none Zerg stratagems. As my guild mates and I are fond of thinking: a map with nothing in our colour is simply a target rich environment!

@phirefox – great post – thanks for taking the time to write that.

@phirefox, that was a nice post man.

@ royce, manning up has nothing to do with stating that there is something wrong with some of the wvw parts. If you want to keep it like it is fine, but consider that what you call whining might be something other people actually dislike.
I love this game but it could do with some changes, and if this is what the league of wvw will bring they could very well be destroying the lower tier servers. So I will continue to complain or whine if you like, I have a right to do so.

The admins sure read this thread all the time, waiting to change the things you’re complaining about

:D I also complain on the wvw main forum..
I will keep it our of the server topics if that makes you feel any better.

phirefox.2568:

The Big problem for this Matchup are all the fair weather players from dzagonur, that came crawling out of their holes as soon as the new matchup had been determined :/ Honestly, were have all those players been during the last 7 weeks when we needed them? Probably farming champions somewhere in Frostgorge Sound… or Queensdale (-_-‘). The unusual high amount of “can we pls take Keep XYZ now pllllzz i need it for my 100% completion” requests within the mapchat so far makes me cringe inwardly, and i’am definitely not the only one here feeling like that.

True Story… Completly agree with phirefox!
Last week, we were only 20-30 players per map.. this week it’s like Dzagonur turning to ’’Blobbanur’’.

I am on FoW and this matchup also takes me back many months to when we were constantly overrun. In truth I am not having fun this week, many months ago it would have been something I would just have to put up with and trudge through, but after the immense fun I have been having in wvw in recent weeks, I know it can be a much more enjoyable experience, and frankly I just don’t want to bother (It hasn’t stopped me from trying, but I feel like just walking away). Last week was great, neither server was particularly massive and “large” battles over keeps were in fact just small 10v10 drawn out skirmishes (Actual battles with tactics as opposed to just overrunning the opponent). We still have the same numbers at the best of times when there is a commander around to produce a small squad, but 10 vs 30+ is hardly an enjoyable experience and I can totally understand why most of our server seems to have just gone to rest for a week.

FoW is not resting. Surely this is a different kind of matchup and it involves more defending than we’ve done during the last few weeks. We are outnumbered but not overrun.

I just want to thank Dzagonur for their “fair play” in this matchup… Not only they outnumber ourselves (arbostones or Fow) far greatly (in each map, they’ve got blogs of 40 to 50 people while we are barely 20 25…) but plus they purposely exploit bug about the Mesmer fall dmg trait
( https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Descent-into-Madness-9k-43k-dmg )

We’ve taken some screen shots and plan to report the guy who kill us plenty of time…

so thank you again, dzagonur…

(PS: i’m from arborstone)

I’d like to know why DZA feels the need to use multiple omega golems against an opponent they massively outnumber.

I want to know why we aren’t mercilessly ripping out the souls of greedy PvE’rs that only help the server (Yes, Dzag, I’m looking at you too) when they outclass the opponent.

Arthos Ravron.3796:

I want to know why we aren’t mercilessly ripping out the souls of greedy PvE’rs that only help the server (Yes, Dzag, I’m looking at you too) when they outclass the opponent.

I saw well over 100 players stood near the LA bank/mystic toilet at EU prime time ( #LACommanders) on FoW yesterday, what does it take to make people at least try and enter WvW and care less about their ego’s and social/political standing on FoW.

Not trying to say I’m better than anyone, but at least me and the lads in the guild are trying to wubwub, one of my guildes even bought a commander tag this week to try and force some cohesion when in WvW.

Also to the clever people trolling on commanders can I refer you to read this thread on reddit please, forget the thread title, the points listed by the OP are relevant

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1oio0m/how_to_make_a_wvw_karma_train_commander_happy/

Well, better no commander than a crap commander imho. We had too many pve-commanders hopping into WvW for the second time and distracting everyone from doing real WvW.

Only fow commander I follow is either excifilius or Mor D, but I havent seen Mor in a long time. Both are unpredictacle and fun to play with.
The rest I do not know the name of but I have never seen anyone so bad I was thinking ugh I ’ll go my own way.
Altough someone named something like mmyst or mmyptr I dunno started with double m anyway was doing some terrible things…

Enigma Fel is imho one of the best commanders on FoW.

The only time you won’t like Mor D when he’s commanding is when the zerg is filled with stupid people.

Most commanders here are fine anyway.

Arthos Ravron.3796:

Enigma Fel is imho one of the best commanders on FoW.

The only time you won’t like Mor D when he’s commanding is when the zerg is filled with stupid people.

Most commanders here are fine anyway.

I was under the impression enigma fel had left FoW ?
Tell me if I’m wrong but I’d heard he and his guild left for RoS?

FuGiazi.5973:

Arthos Ravron.3796:

Enigma Fel is imho one of the best commanders on FoW.

The only time you won’t like Mor D when he’s commanding is when the zerg is filled with stupid people.

Most commanders here are fine anyway.

I was under the impression enigma fel had left FoW ?
Tell me if I’m wrong but I’d heard he and his guild left for RoS?

If you are referring to the guild RoT, then yes.

We have oke commanders but havent seen any real good one. No offense to the commanders mentioned above they are good in a karma train but organised group fights are rather poorly done.

If i have to mention a commander it is Psychotic of course. But he doesnt tag up so much

Dopamine.7502:

We have oke commanders but havent seen any real good one. No offense to the commanders mentioned above they are good in a karma train but organised group fights are rather poorly done.

If i have to mention a commander it is Psychotic of course. But he doesnt tag up so much

No offense but you can’t compare an organized group using a ts or rc to someone trying to type to a large pug. If fow would make a server wide ts server that everyone would use it would help drastically and lock guild channels so you can still do your raids on it… Fow is a very hostile server who commander bashes a lot. Unify and maybe fow will get somewhere and also will make ppl not want to switch servers. Gl and hf with season 1.

Gideon.6742:

Dopamine.7502:

We have oke commanders but havent seen any real good one. No offense to the commanders mentioned above they are good in a karma train but organised group fights are rather poorly done.

If i have to mention a commander it is Psychotic of course. But he doesnt tag up so much

No offense but you can’t compare an organized group using a ts or rc to someone trying to type to a large pug. If fow would make a server wide ts server that everyone would use it would help drastically and lock guild channels so you can still do your raids on it… Fow is a very hostile server who commander bashes a lot. Unify and maybe fow will get somewhere and also will make ppl not want to switch servers. Gl and hf with season 1.

Of course they will not be as good as an organised guild group but many times i just see poor decision making relating to fights or capping. There are many alot worse commanders who only watch gate/wall when capping and not look for any inc. or the commanders who only want to attack instead of defend(which is more fun then taking an empty keep/tower imo.)

I dont blame them for trying as if you do not try you will never improve but some commanders are even very hostile to any advice or suggestions from experienced players around.

Server wide teamspeak might be a bit to chaotic but every guild group should have a teamspeak sevrer or share one with a friended guild. The main problem is the different leaders from the guild groups around do not communicate very good with eachother. Set aside differences and work together and we can do alot better.

P.S. to all pugs following a commander dont give up on a commander if you get wiped once or twice it is part of playing.

Trick.9370:

FuGiazi.5973:

Arthos Ravron.3796:

Enigma Fel is imho one of the best commanders on FoW.

The only time you won’t like Mor D when he’s commanding is when the zerg is filled with stupid people.

Most commanders here are fine anyway.

I was under the impression enigma fel had left FoW ?
Tell me if I’m wrong but I’d heard he and his guild left for RoS?

If you are referring to the guild RoT, then yes.

He just told me actually. Sorry about the confusion.
It’s a bit more complicated than that though, but basically, he did.

Dopamine.7502:

Gideon.6742:

Dopamine.7502:

We have oke commanders but havent seen any real good one. No offense to the commanders mentioned above they are good in a karma train but organised group fights are rather poorly done.

If i have to mention a commander it is Psychotic of course. But he doesnt tag up so much

No offense but you can’t compare an organized group using a ts or rc to someone trying to type to a large pug. If fow would make a server wide ts server that everyone would use it would help drastically and lock guild channels so you can still do your raids on it… Fow is a very hostile server who commander bashes a lot. Unify and maybe fow will get somewhere and also will make ppl not want to switch servers. Gl and hf with season 1.

…Server wide teamspeak might be a bit to chaotic but every guild group should have a teamspeak sevrer or share one with a friended guild. The main problem is the different leaders from the guild groups around do not communicate very good with eachother. Set aside differences and work together and we can do alot better…

Well, there is a small alliance by AKP, WoE, YORK, and PvP, but I doubt our guild leader would want to ally with some other guilds because of their, well, reputation or simply because their guild leader is a git.

I haven’t heard of any other alliance though.