Guild Wars 2

Asian guild? This is bronze league, never heard of one of those.

looool hod that was so funny in eb where u actually chased down 1 guy with 40+ bet u guys got a nice kitten from that

Were you on your thief?

We also had a number of our guildies (FKB) stay up all night this past weekend. It has been quite a push.

Coverage aside, I think this matchup is the most balanced by far. Cosa and the SF crews definitely give our WVW guilds (FKB, MU, VLK) a run for our money. SF is also pretty savy at supply control and nabbing camps just before the tick. I think we’re all learning a lot from each other.

Here’s to 10 more days of fun!

“This one time in this match my group wiped another group from one server and they had more players and then we wiped another larger group from the other server….We always have fewer players in my group, and we farm your loot bags.

Also you only win because you have more people than us and you cap everything at night."

(Now no one else had to read any matchup threads in any matches)

Shiver.5903:

Begun, the coverage war has.

HoDomination…

Devon.9061:

Were you on your thief?

nah my warrior i turned around when i was 1v1ing a thief and got smacked by the 40+

Seraphx.4152:

Being the main Asian guild in HoD, a lot of times we couldn’t find a good enemy group to fight with. Not only in this matchup.

But this is the first time we do this, sending 10 Omega…
No hard feelings SF, we are just bored.

Yea its coverage wars.

by
[Dx]

And there we go, that’s the end of this week. In an NA server a guild on primetime papering everything. So much for what has been a good match up thus far.

Gman.3789:

Seraphx.4152:

Being the main Asian guild in HoD, a lot of times we couldn’t find a good enemy group to fight with. Not only in this matchup.

But this is the first time we do this, sending 10 Omega…
No hard feelings SF, we are just bored.

Yea its coverage wars.

by
[Dx]

And there we go, that’s the end of this week. In an NA server a guild on primetime papering everything while NA sleeps. So much for what has been a good match up thus far.

Sko.5048:

We also had a number of our guildies (FKB) stay up all night this past weekend. It has been quite a push.

Coverage aside, I think this matchup is the most balanced by far. Cosa and the SF crews definitely give our WVW guilds (FKB, MU, VLK) a run for our money. SF is also pretty savy at supply control and nabbing camps just before the tick. I think we’re all learning a lot from each other.

Here’s to 10 more days of fun!

this matchup is nowhere even close to balanced u want balanced we had one either the first or second week of league was a balanced match where all 3 servers were so close to each other.

Sko.5048:

We also had a number of our guildies (FKB) stay up all night this past weekend. It has been quite a push.

Coverage aside, I think this matchup is the most balanced by far. Cosa and the SF crews definitely give our WVW guilds (FKB, MU, VLK) a run for our money. SF is also pretty savy at supply control and nabbing camps just before the tick. I think we’re all learning a lot from each other.

Here’s to 10 more days of fun!

The thing is your asian crew ruins that. All the fairweathers are gonna PvE now, specially on Tuesday’s patch, until reset. Then monday, same thing will happen. Then the week after that they’ll all come back for the last 2 easy wins of the season.

Sko.5048:

We also had a number of our guildies (FKB) stay up all night this past weekend. It has been quite a push.

Coverage aside, I think this matchup is the most balanced by far. Cosa and the SF crews definitely give our WVW guilds (FKB, MU, VLK) a run for our money. SF is also pretty savy at supply control and nabbing camps just before the tick. I think we’re all learning a lot from each other.

Here’s to 10 more days of fun!

Yeah, I am pretty sure BC commanded for a good 18 hours straight Saturday→Sunday

ptitminou.6489:

Sko.5048:

We also had a number of our guildies (FKB) stay up all night this past weekend. It has been quite a push.

Coverage aside, I think this matchup is the most balanced by far. Cosa and the SF crews definitely give our WVW guilds (FKB, MU, VLK) a run for our money. SF is also pretty savy at supply control and nabbing camps just before the tick. I think we’re all learning a lot from each other.

Here’s to 10 more days of fun!

The thing is your asian crew ruins that. All the fairweathers are gonna PvE now, specially on Tuesday’s patch, until reset. Then monday, same thing will happen. Then the week after that they’ll all come back for the last 2 easy wins of the season.

I feel your pain relative to bronze league. My comment about a balanced matchup is simply referring to when SF and HOD (and GOM) are going at it during peak hours. We’ve wiped and been wiped and loot bags were had by all. Indeed, we’ve had great fights against each of the servers over the last few weeks, regardless of PP or overall score. In fact, I even had fun while getting destroyed by Yak’s Bend, Crystal Desert, etc. for weeks on end a while back. The game is what you make of it.

Cheers to all my fellow WVW warriors. I hope to see you, and cheerfully murder you, on the field.

Sean.8274:

Sko.5048:

We also had a number of our guildies (FKB) stay up all night this past weekend. It has been quite a push.

Coverage aside, I think this matchup is the most balanced by far. Cosa and the SF crews definitely give our WVW guilds (FKB, MU, VLK) a run for our money. SF is also pretty savy at supply control and nabbing camps just before the tick. I think we’re all learning a lot from each other.

Here’s to 10 more days of fun!

Yeah, I am pretty sure BC commanded for a good 18 hours straight Saturday->Sunday

Does anyone else find this ridiculously sad? Why would you stay up all night and day for a game other than having a legitimate addiction issue?

My (honest) advice to anyone on ANY server is to play hard the time you are on for, have fun, and do not worry about PPT/Scores….You all have a finite amount of time you will play this game, why waste that staying up all night worrying over something that is largely controlled by forces beyond you?

King Amadaeus.8619:

Sean.8274:

Sko.5048:

We also had a number of our guildies (FKB) stay up all night this past weekend. It has been quite a push.

Coverage aside, I think this matchup is the most balanced by far. Cosa and the SF crews definitely give our WVW guilds (FKB, MU, VLK) a run for our money. SF is also pretty savy at supply control and nabbing camps just before the tick. I think we’re all learning a lot from each other.

Here’s to 10 more days of fun!

Yeah, I am pretty sure BC commanded for a good 18 hours straight Saturday->Sunday

Does anyone else find this ridiculously sad? Why would you stay up all night and day for a game other than having a legitimate addiction issue?

My (honest) advice to anyone on ANY server is to play hard the time you are on for, have fun, and do not worry about PPT/Scores….You all have a finite amount of time you will play this game, why waste that staying up all night worrying over something that is largely controlled by forces beyond you?

Meh, we’re all playing the same game, albeit to varying degrees. I know a number of friends who think that simply playing an online computer game is “sad.” To each his own.

That three [Dx] HoD and some more of other clans in SF water camp, lol, seriously need all npc and call a zerg to shut down only two players? hahaah fun fights.

With love the guardian and the warrior of your nightmares.

Our Pvers abandoned us lol

borrok.9267:

Jereme.1840:

borrok.9267:

Jereme.1840:

borrok.9267:

SF has been outnumbered in 90% of every fight I’ve been in.

Screens or it didn’t happen! All kidding aside, I highly doubt that you have been outnumbered 10% of the time. Our 20 -30 man groups just outplay your 20-30-40+man groups.

That’s whats really going on.

I’m SF, which means I have been outnumbered 90% of the time. I used to be a roamer, but hod has such HUGE numbers on all bls and eb I’m zerging up now..

I guess my statement was above your comprehension level.

I will simplify it, Write it in Crayon

1. If you’re roaming you shouldn’t run into 20+ man groups

2. If you’re SF and in a group there is no way in hell that you have been outnumbered at anytime most likely in this match up maybe 10% of the time.

3. SF clearly outnumbers HOD number wise, skill wise that may vary

understand?

1. I roamed in and engaged groups of less than 5.

2. Every single engagement today has been severely outnumbered by hod(while in zerg, so you don’t confuse roaming and zerg again).

3. You have it backwards.

Understand?

Jereme is actually correct on number 3. I have faced both of your servers, and unless Darkhaven outnumbers SF (which is a laughable thought), then HoD is certainly outnumbered by you. HoD wins on coordination and their zergs being high quality.

You should find it odd that two GoM people have came in and said that your post is funny :P.

Arius.7031:

borrok.9267:

Jereme.1840:

borrok.9267:

Jereme.1840:

borrok.9267:

SF has been outnumbered in 90% of every fight I’ve been in.

Screens or it didn’t happen! All kidding aside, I highly doubt that you have been outnumbered 10% of the time. Our 20 -30 man groups just outplay your 20-30-40+man groups.

That’s whats really going on.

I’m SF, which means I have been outnumbered 90% of the time. I used to be a roamer, but hod has such HUGE numbers on all bls and eb I’m zerging up now..

I guess my statement was above your comprehension level.

I will simplify it, Write it in Crayon

1. If you’re roaming you shouldn’t run into 20+ man groups

2. If you’re SF and in a group there is no way in hell that you have been outnumbered at anytime most likely in this match up maybe 10% of the time.

3. SF clearly outnumbers HOD number wise, skill wise that may vary

understand?

1. I roamed in and engaged groups of less than 5.

2. Every single engagement today has been severely outnumbered by hod(while in zerg, so you don’t confuse roaming and zerg again).

3. You have it backwards.

Understand?

Jereme is actually correct on number 3. I have faced both of your servers, and unless Darkhaven outnumbers SF (which is a laughable thought), then HoD is certainly outnumbered by you. HoD wins on coordination and their zergs being high quality.

You should find it odd that two GoM people have came in and said that your post is funny :P.

You all would be right if it weren’t for a little thing called: variation. The HoD you faced may or may not be the same ones “server _” faces.

Populations are not static, so saying as a generalized statement that: “Server A has more people than Server B” is not really accurate. Because you always have to take into account outside variables: PVE, fairweathers, snowballing, etc.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

borrok.9267:

Jereme.1840:

borrok.9267:

Jereme.1840:

borrok.9267:

SF has been outnumbered in 90% of every fight I’ve been in.

Screens or it didn’t happen! All kidding aside, I highly doubt that you have been outnumbered 10% of the time. Our 20 -30 man groups just outplay your 20-30-40+man groups.

That’s whats really going on.

I’m SF, which means I have been outnumbered 90% of the time. I used to be a roamer, but hod has such HUGE numbers on all bls and eb I’m zerging up now..

I guess my statement was above your comprehension level.

I will simplify it, Write it in Crayon

1. If you’re roaming you shouldn’t run into 20+ man groups

2. If you’re SF and in a group there is no way in hell that you have been outnumbered at anytime most likely in this match up maybe 10% of the time.

3. SF clearly outnumbers HOD number wise, skill wise that may vary

understand?

1. I roamed in and engaged groups of less than 5.

2. Every single engagement today has been severely outnumbered by hod(while in zerg, so you don’t confuse roaming and zerg again).

3. You have it backwards.

Understand?

Jereme is actually correct on number 3. I have faced both of your servers, and unless Darkhaven outnumbers SF (which is a laughable thought), then HoD is certainly outnumbered by you. HoD wins on coordination and their zergs being high quality.

You should find it odd that two GoM people have came in and said that your post is funny :P.

You all would be right if it weren’t for a little thing called: variation. The HoD you faced may or may not be the same ones “server _” faces.

Populations are not static, so saying as a generalized statement that: “Server A has more people than Server B” is not really accurate. Because you always have to take into account outside variables: PVE, fairweathers, snowballing, etc.

We literally faced DH last week…

King Amadaeus.8619:

Arius.7031:

borrok.9267:

Jereme.1840:

borrok.9267:

Jereme.1840:

borrok.9267:

SF has been outnumbered in 90% of every fight I’ve been in.

Screens or it didn’t happen! All kidding aside, I highly doubt that you have been outnumbered 10% of the time. Our 20 -30 man groups just outplay your 20-30-40+man groups.

That’s whats really going on.

I’m SF, which means I have been outnumbered 90% of the time. I used to be a roamer, but hod has such HUGE numbers on all bls and eb I’m zerging up now..

I guess my statement was above your comprehension level.

I will simplify it, Write it in Crayon

1. If you’re roaming you shouldn’t run into 20+ man groups

2. If you’re SF and in a group there is no way in hell that you have been outnumbered at anytime most likely in this match up maybe 10% of the time.

3. SF clearly outnumbers HOD number wise, skill wise that may vary

understand?

1. I roamed in and engaged groups of less than 5.

2. Every single engagement today has been severely outnumbered by hod(while in zerg, so you don’t confuse roaming and zerg again).

3. You have it backwards.

Understand?

Jereme is actually correct on number 3. I have faced both of your servers, and unless Darkhaven outnumbers SF (which is a laughable thought), then HoD is certainly outnumbered by you. HoD wins on coordination and their zergs being high quality.

You should find it odd that two GoM people have came in and said that your post is funny :P.

You all would be right if it weren’t for a little thing called: variation. The HoD you faced may or may not be the same ones “server _” faces.

Populations are not static, so saying as a generalized statement that: “Server A has more people than Server B” is not really accurate. Because you always have to take into account outside variables: PVE, fairweathers, snowballing, etc.

I was fighting HoD literally 3 days ago… We outnumbered them, prior to having our population demoralized due to their superior skill. Even then we were able to keep up with them with in numbers. So my statement stands, unless Dh outnumbers SF (which is laughable), then you guys do/did outnumber HoD. You might not any more now that you’ve started losing, IDK.

In NA Bronze league:

HoD has the most total 24/7 numbers

SF has the strongest NA Prime force

DH does not outnumber HoD. Maybe on a particular map or a particular time of day but in general, no that is false.

I think what he was saying is that HoD had no reason to field as many numbers against DH as they have against SF since you weren’t a real threat to them. So keeping that in mind we could very well be fighting a different HoD than you fought a few days ago since I assume they came out the gate taking us seriously.

That being said it was a competitive weekend HoD and it was fun and you have given my server stuff to think about and shown us more ways to improve. The few times I was on this weekend I saw some interesting tactics and you do seem to have a guild or two that specializes in zergbusting.

I realize this doesn’t speak for the whole weekend, but my “out of the gate” experience says HoD has pretty much taken every reset night since leagues started with an equal amount of seriousness, at least by participation volume.

Kanthar Turambar.9164:

I realize this doesn’t speak for the whole weekend, but my “out of the gate” experience says HoD has pretty much taken every reset night since leagues started with an equal amount of seriousness, at least by participation volume.

well, you can’t really queue more than 4 maps. you guys still pulling that off on resets like you did against us?

I’m not certain, I got into this matchup about two hours after reset, and I was able to get into two of the four boderlands (ours and GOM’s, admittedly), though maybe I just got lucky. Queues weren’t terrible for SF BL or EB, EB was slightly worse.

Against DH, I got in three hours after, and similar situation, couldn’t get into EB, couldn’t get into one of the borderlands, can’t remember if it was DH’s or not though. Queue time was similar though.

Edit: Our presence on non-queued maps was still pretty strong numberswise, for sure. So it’s not like I was looking at “let’s get enough for a breakout!” by any means.

Solstice.1097:

Asian guild? This is bronze league, never heard of one of those.

There are actually about 3 and a half asian guilds on HoD. We tend to do fairly well in those hours because we probably have the largest asian community in bronze. If you were wondering, they aren’t recent transfers, most of those guys have been around since the launch.

The perception that a person from SF might have in the field that HOD numbers greater is more often then not their seeing a group from another Bl arrive in the nick of time to save the day.

This means of course those other Borderland numbers drop.

I have also noticed that different servers put a different emphasis on each Borderland. While true to an extent of every server the eternal battlegrounds draw the most numbers. While this makes for huge zerg fights and while one must remain competitive in the eternal battlegrounds , too much numbers allocated to that battleground could do more harm then good if it comes at the expense of your others.

Realistically one can not measure the true numbers on at any given time unless one is on every borderland at the same time at any given time as every server will bounce with numbers from borderland to borderland. Where one server might have an advantage over another is how many people are WILLING to leave the Eternal Battlegrounds fights to help out in another region when the call goes out.

There have been times on HOD where no one was willing to leave the eternal battlegrounds fight , and other times where an entire guild and more will pull out to help. The latter happens more often then not.

Those 20 extra bodies fighting over stone mist which has swapped hands 15 times over during the day when looking at simply the number of points scored, will have a greater overall effect on that score if they shift instead to another borderland.

If of a sudden the number of HOD fighting over stonemist drops by thirty and shows at the SF homeland to defend a keep, it does not mean SF was “outnumbered at every fight”.

There have been many times a handful of us rotate dying in a lords keep due to overwhelming numbers, hanging on just long enough for that help to arrive. Yeah we die but we know help is coming. I watch that chat and see the “hold on a few more seconds we will be there” and I do all I can to survive.

I have seen 10 or 15 and more of the enemy leap off the walls of a keep they hold and flee when the gates go down and a larger HOD force enters. This tells me they are not expecting help.

Nice try seed.

Solstice.1097:

In NA Bronze league:

HoD has the most total 24/7 numbers

SF has the strongest NA Prime force

DH does not outnumber HoD. Maybe on a particular map or a particular time of day but in general, no that is false.

I agree with this completely. Here’s my take on it, unbiased as I can possibly be.

HoD’s coverage (overnight guilds) and an extremely strong reset night, has ALWAYS gave them an advantage over any server in Bronze league, but as far as prime time goes SF is a monster.

Now what HoD’s prime time basically boils down to is multiple WvW guilds working in unison with each other, small to medium WvW guilds.

SF has CoSabut as someone stated earlier (which I believe was a CoSa member), they are usually only in one place with everything they’ve got; but its one hell of a force to contend with.

The only reason SF won’t be able to keep up with HoD is because a lack of oceanic coverage. If they could recruit some oceanic guilds, SF and HoD would be a dream match in bronze league.

As far as skill level goes, I haven’t had much confrontation with GoM this match so I wouldn’t be able to say, but SF has shown some pretty great coordination.

Would I say the average HoD player is better than SF? No.

Would I say SF vastly outnumber HoD? No.

But what I would say is that HoD’s WvW guilds and their leaders have an absolutely amazing response time, and a great synergy when coordinating with one another. That’s where I believe most of HoD’s success lies, is in the willingness and cooperation of it’s WvW guilds.

I would also say that SF’s success lies in absolutely dominating at prime time through huge groups of coordinated players, judging by the way they move so tight on the commander i’m assuming you guys are also on a VoiP. That’s very impressive, if there’s one challenge here on HoD it’s getting pugs to move and fight like a collective force. SF has got that down pretty well. I think SF has also got a lot of great commanders and I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to get such a large group of players on the same page.

So all in all here’s to the most competitive match HoD has had in Bronze league, been a lot of fun, GoM i’m sorry you guys got put in the middle of this, I hear that DH match up was so close people were pulling all-nighters to see you guys on top. I hope we all should be so lucky to get a competitive match-up like that.

Brick Tamland.6507:

Nice try seed.

My boy Back Stabbed! I’ve been loving seeing my picture in all the [MU] screenshots.

Great fights GoM and SF!

Also, nice post Blade. While I agree with everything you said, I don’t think SF’s WvW guilds require the same level of detail in build uniformity and group composition that some of the HoD WvW guilds do. Back in tier 1 and 2, you really had to looking to find somebody walking around w/ glass armor on. I find that in Bronze league there is a movable feast of squishy bads roaming about.

Solstice.1097:

In NA Bronze league:

HoD has the most total 24/7 numbers

SF has the strongest NA Prime force

DH does not outnumber HoD. Maybe on a particular map or a particular time of day but in general, no that is false.

Perhaps, but it was certainly close and almost every single zerg I was with did outnumber HoD’s zergs (and we usually lost, that’s what’s really sad).

Arius.7031:

Solstice.1097:

In NA Bronze league:

HoD has the most total 24/7 numbers

SF has the strongest NA Prime force

DH does not outnumber HoD. Maybe on a particular map or a particular time of day but in general, no that is false.

Perhaps, but it was certainly close and almost every single zerg I was with did outnumber HoD’s zergs (and we usually lost, that’s what’s really sad).

For a bunch of servers that are barely getting by because of PvE influx we sure are kitten their performance.

Bllade.1029:

Solstice.1097:

In NA Bronze league:

HoD has the most total 24/7 numbers

SF has the strongest NA Prime force

DH does not outnumber HoD. Maybe on a particular map or a particular time of day but in general, no that is false.

I agree with this completely. Here’s my take on it, unbiased as I can possibly be.

HoD’s coverage (overnight guilds) and an extremely strong reset night, has ALWAYS gave them an advantage over any server in Bronze league, but as far as prime time goes SF is a monster.

Now what HoD’s prime time basically boils down to is multiple WvW guilds working in unison with each other, small to medium WvW guilds.

SF has CoSabut as someone stated earlier (which I believe was a CoSa member), they are usually only in one place with everything they’ve got; but its one hell of a force to contend with.

The only reason SF won’t be able to keep up with HoD is because a lack of oceanic coverage. If they could recruit some oceanic guilds, SF and HoD would be a dream match in bronze league.

As far as skill level goes, I haven’t had much confrontation with GoM this match so I wouldn’t be able to say, but SF has shown some pretty great coordination.

Would I say the average HoD player is better than SF? No.

Would I say SF vastly outnumber HoD? No.

But what I would say is that HoD’s WvW guilds and their leaders have an absolutely amazing response time, and a great synergy when coordinating with one another. That’s where I believe most of HoD’s success lies, is in the willingness and cooperation of it’s WvW guilds.

I would also say that SF’s success lies in absolutely dominating at prime time through huge groups of coordinated players, judging by the way they move so tight on the commander i’m assuming you guys are also on a VoiP. That’s very impressive, if there’s one challenge here on HoD it’s getting pugs to move and fight like a collective force. SF has got that down pretty well. I think SF has also got a lot of great commanders and I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to get such a large group of players on the same page.

So all in all here’s to the most competitive match HoD has had in Bronze league, been a lot of fun, GoM i’m sorry you guys got put in the middle of this, I hear that DH match up was so close people were pulling all-nighters to see you guys on top. I hope we all should be so lucky to get a competitive match-up like that.

I think that pretty much sums it up, and is just about as accurate as you can get. Refreshing to see an unbiased post that at least acknowledges your servers strengths and weaknesses while doing the same for other servers.

As opposed to the classic: “Your server is bad we have superior coordination” jargon that you mainly get on these threads.

capmasterflash.5690:

Brick Tamland.6507:

Nice try seed.

My boy Back Stabbed! I’ve been loving seeing my picture in all the [MU] screenshots.

Great fights GoM and SF!

Also, nice post Blade. While I agree with everything you said, I don’t think SF’s WvW guilds require the same level of detail in build uniformity and group composition that some of the HoD WvW guilds do. Back in tier 1 and 2, you really had to looking to find somebody walking around w/ glass armor on. I find that in Bronze league there is a movable feast of squishy bads roaming about.

That is true, only guild I know that requires certain gear is StaR, we really don’t have many hardcore WvW guilds that require stuff like that. In the perfect world people in zergs wouldn’t be using zerker gear but i don’t think people like telling others how to play.

clint.5681:

capmasterflash.5690:

Brick Tamland.6507:

Nice try seed.

My boy Back Stabbed! I’ve been loving seeing my picture in all the [MU] screenshots.

Great fights GoM and SF!

Also, nice post Blade. While I agree with everything you said, I don’t think SF’s WvW guilds require the same level of detail in build uniformity and group composition that some of the HoD WvW guilds do. Back in tier 1 and 2, you really had to looking to find somebody walking around w/ glass armor on. I find that in Bronze league there is a movable feast of squishy bads roaming about.

That is true, only guild I know that requires certain gear is StaR, we really don’t have many hardcore WvW guilds that require stuff like that. In the perfect world people in zergs wouldn’t be using zerker gear but i don’t think people like telling others how to play.

I have never seen a guild in Dh that requires builds/classes/gear of any kind rofl (when it comes to WvW). Pretty much everyone on Dh using zerker gear cus we’re a PvE server rofl.

styx.7294:

Look, I understand, Henge of Denravi wants to feel kitten but I am going to give you tough love. It’s ’cause I care.

Henge of Denravi wins no fights. They haven’t won a fight in 5 weeks. To win fights, you have to be at fights. A week before leagues, Henge of Denravi heard there might be fights and ran away and hid so that there would be no chance of fights for 7 weeks.

So there can’t be posts about Henge of Denravi bravado, ’cause WvW is about fights you guys made sure to avoid fights for all of the league.

Maybe after this league you will come out stronger and that would be nice to see but for now when tested did you show unyielding courage? No. Unrelenting bloodlust? No. Willingness to stack the odds so high as to show your quality? No. =(

Sounds like someone is mad because they are losing. Look, someone is going to win Bronze league and the best bet is, it’s going to be the server with the most or near the most amount of players with the most coverage. That happens to be HoD (according to current score). Someone has to take first place and it happens to HoD (currently). If you are saying that we should have moved up in leagues then why should SF be bumped up to silver as well? The scores are almost equal and this is just the first of a two week matchup with them. Does this mean that several silver league teams should be in Bronze? NSP was supposed to be better than HoD, would you rather fight them instead?
And don’t forget that all three servers that were on the brink of moving up to silver league “slowed down” the week or two prior to leagues. This is not an isolated case of “HoD is tanking they are kitten” because everyone did it that had a chance of moving up but in the end it was NSP that moved up (and probably rightly so). It’s not a question of the server but of human nature.

As far as the open field tactics and fighting goes: [EXCLUDE EB ENTIRELY, we’re talking about guild groups not pug groups] SF has been the leader in point tick during prime time, they have more people during prime time so this makes sense, but it is not a question of points when we’re talking about open fighting. In the Open field, HoD is number one in Bronze. Plain and simple. If you’d like to test this statement, we have quite a number of guilds that would jump at the chance of a GvG. SF does have really coordinated groups (I don’t know how you get them all to stack so tight) but HoD has the tactics.

Reminder: Fightclub Thursday 9pm EST HoD BL (Yes, we’ll be nice and make the run)

Bllade.1029:

Solstice.1097:

In NA Bronze league:

HoD has the most total 24/7 numbers

SF has the strongest NA Prime force

DH does not outnumber HoD. Maybe on a particular map or a particular time of day but in general, no that is false.

I agree with this completely. Here’s my take on it, unbiased as I can possibly be.

HoD’s coverage (overnight guilds) and an extremely strong reset night, has ALWAYS gave them an advantage over any server in Bronze league, but as far as prime time goes SF is a monster.

Now what HoD’s prime time basically boils down to is multiple WvW guilds working in unison with each other, small to medium WvW guilds.

SF has CoSabut as someone stated earlier (which I believe was a CoSa member), they are usually only in one place with everything they’ve got; but its one hell of a force to contend with.

The only reason SF won’t be able to keep up with HoD is because a lack of oceanic coverage. If they could recruit some oceanic guilds, SF and HoD would be a dream match in bronze league.

As far as skill level goes, I haven’t had much confrontation with GoM this match so I wouldn’t be able to say, but SF has shown some pretty great coordination.

Would I say the average HoD player is better than SF? No.

Would I say SF vastly outnumber HoD? No.

But what I would say is that HoD’s WvW guilds and their leaders have an absolutely amazing response time, and a great synergy when coordinating with one another. That’s where I believe most of HoD’s success lies, is in the willingness and cooperation of it’s WvW guilds.

I would also say that SF’s success lies in absolutely dominating at prime time through huge groups of coordinated players, judging by the way they move so tight on the commander i’m assuming you guys are also on a VoiP. That’s very impressive, if there’s one challenge here on HoD it’s getting pugs to move and fight like a collective force. SF has got that down pretty well. I think SF has also got a lot of great commanders and I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to get such a large group of players on the same page.

So all in all here’s to the most competitive match HoD has had in Bronze league, been a lot of fun, GoM i’m sorry you guys got put in the middle of this, I hear that DH match up was so close people were pulling all-nighters to see you guys on top. I hope we all should be so lucky to get a competitive match-up like that.

Hi, it was me who said that CoSA only can be at one place. I am in ICE/ICED though you will see me a lot with the StaR crew. I will never join a guild that requires that I rep them if I dont feel like it or feel like running with another guild… which means I only have 1 guild for now since this server has too big an ego trip for the success it actually has.

As a server, we are not all on the same VoIP which hurts us a lot. Judging by HoD response times, I would be very surprised to find you on different VoIPs. We are. There is a TS set up like T1, then there is mumble, one group uses ventrilo, and then there is the Spanish TS and of course this one random transfer guild that came in using raidcall. Pugs drag us down for the most part here too, they arent even in 1 of those VoIPs… if anything we offer choice! Not only is it hard to get them to listen, but you have to also try en espanol, since we are the biggest Spanish server. If MU keeps it up, perhaps some commanders will get a clue and stop supporting those in the wrong gear. Imagine how strong a force CoSA would be in PTV gear… you’re trembling now, aren’t you?

We went for the SM achieve yesterday and saw how bad your pugs were. However, it seems you lot did great in getting them to gear properly, our pugs still think PTV is for tanking in PvE ( we have never downed Tequatl as a server ). One thing you must improve in I guess is training them not to hide behind siege (it rarely works anyways) – look at how Yak’s Bend does with almost equal numbers. That’s where hiding behind siege leads.

Mercabre.7123:

styx.7294:

Look, I understand, Henge of Denravi wants to feel kitten but I am going to give you tough love. It’s ’cause I care.

Henge of Denravi wins no fights. They haven’t won a fight in 5 weeks. To win fights, you have to be at fights. A week before leagues, Henge of Denravi heard there might be fights and ran away and hid so that there would be no chance of fights for 7 weeks.

So there can’t be posts about Henge of Denravi bravado, ’cause WvW is about fights you guys made sure to avoid fights for all of the league.

Maybe after this league you will come out stronger and that would be nice to see but for now when tested did you show unyielding courage? No. Unrelenting bloodlust? No. Willingness to stack the odds so high as to show your quality? No. =(

And don’t forget that all three servers that were on the brink of moving up to silver league “slowed down” the week or two prior to leagues. This is not an isolated case of “HoD is tanking they are kitten” because everyone did it that had a chance of moving up but in the end it was NSP that moved up (and probably rightly so). It’s not a question of the server but of human nature.

“Slowed down?” More like tucked tail and hid under the rug. NSP tried to do the same but got called out on it, and their roaming guilds that don’t normally care about PPT actually rose up to carry their server to silver. I still like my pals on HoD and SF, but as whole servers, you’re still a bunch of cowards for tanking to dodge silver league.

Hi all

Just wanted to clear up a few things about us, CoSA, and our coverage. CoSA is 3 guilds with different reqs.

1. Red=PvE / PvX / Casual WvW. This is primarily a PvE guild requiring 95%+ rep time. The only exceptions we make to this are if you are doing our servers FARM training event, if you are in TTS and need to be on a different server (guesting) for appropriate event, or if you are an officer in different CoSA and are doing administrative work between the sister guilds. CoSA Red uses VOIP, however, it is preferred, not required.

2. CoSA Blue has an appropriately geared, trained, coordinated and very good zerg busting group, but unfortunately it may not seem like it when going up against us because we are all mixed up if we run larger then 20 people. CoSA Blue has people from other guilds often runing with us many of whom are Blue members so they can switch to rep and use guild chat for communication purposes, consequently, the rep reqs for CoSA Blue are much lower then those of CoSA Red or Green. Blue is dedicated to WvW, and if having people rep other guilds to strengthen the server goes to that end, so be it.

3. CoSA Green is between the 2 above, it is in constant flux and tends to be the starting guild for brand new WvW players.

4. CoSA likes to play together, no matter which branch. We are on 1 VOIP and often have reps in other guilds VOIP for coordination.

5. The reason we stay on 1 map is simple. We have Queues during NA prime time, and we are unable to hop maps preserving our core group. If we can not switch maps and have our core stay together, we will not do so. Note that this was not the case before leagues started because tehre were no ques.

6. Our core group, regardless which branch they come from, are properly geared etc. but our other players may or may not be and when you fight us, this does show up. Although our PVE players are actually working on their gear sets etc. it will be a while until they all catch up at best. This is a long term gain for our server which is currently still “in development”. Once done it will be a different story

So if you were trying to join CoSA and got turned off by rep reqs, then maybe you joined wrong CoSA for wrong purpose ? Should have asked before hand right ?

Seraphx.4152:

Being the main Asian guild in HoD, a lot of times we couldn’t find a good enemy group to fight with. Not only in this matchup.

But this is the first time we do this, sending 10 Omega…
No hard feelings SF, we are just bored.

Yea its coverage wars.

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Yup, we knew this long before this match started. It is you guys that wins the league for HoD. Otherwise it would be tight and exciting. On the other hand, we had some awesome fights during prime time.

The HoD hammertrains are very well coordinated, effective and deadly, we will not be able to work out a counter to that for a while, though we have some decent ideas and tactics in the workings, time is not on our side

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Mercabre.7123:

styx.7294:

Look, I understand, Henge of Denravi wants to feel kitten but I am going to give you tough love. It’s ’cause I care.

Henge of Denravi wins no fights. They haven’t won a fight in 5 weeks. To win fights, you have to be at fights. A week before leagues, Henge of Denravi heard there might be fights and ran away and hid so that there would be no chance of fights for 7 weeks.

So there can’t be posts about Henge of Denravi bravado, ’cause WvW is about fights you guys made sure to avoid fights for all of the league.

Maybe after this league you will come out stronger and that would be nice to see but for now when tested did you show unyielding courage? No. Unrelenting bloodlust? No. Willingness to stack the odds so high as to show your quality? No. =(

And don’t forget that all three servers that were on the brink of moving up to silver league “slowed down” the week or two prior to leagues. This is not an isolated case of “HoD is tanking they are kitten” because everyone did it that had a chance of moving up but in the end it was NSP that moved up (and probably rightly so). It’s not a question of the server but of human nature.

“Slowed down?” More like tucked tail and hid under the rug. NSP tried to do the same but got called out on it, and their roaming guilds that don’t normally care about PPT actually rose up to carry their server to silver. I still like my pals on HoD and SF, but as whole servers, you’re still a bunch of cowards for tanking to dodge silver league.

Call it whatever you want. Slowed down, tanked, whatever, but every server that was about to move up did it. It’s not our servers, it’s human nature. Don’t act like your server would do anything different in the same situation because they wouldn’t. Even if your personal position would be to move up (I was of the same opinion in terms of HoD) would the rest of your server feel the same way?

Mercabre.7123:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Mercabre.7123:

styx.7294:

Look, I understand, Henge of Denravi wants to feel kitten but I am going to give you tough love. It’s ’cause I care.

Henge of Denravi wins no fights. They haven’t won a fight in 5 weeks. To win fights, you have to be at fights. A week before leagues, Henge of Denravi heard there might be fights and ran away and hid so that there would be no chance of fights for 7 weeks.

So there can’t be posts about Henge of Denravi bravado, ’cause WvW is about fights you guys made sure to avoid fights for all of the league.

Maybe after this league you will come out stronger and that would be nice to see but for now when tested did you show unyielding courage? No. Unrelenting bloodlust? No. Willingness to stack the odds so high as to show your quality? No. =(

And don’t forget that all three servers that were on the brink of moving up to silver league “slowed down” the week or two prior to leagues. This is not an isolated case of “HoD is tanking they are kitten” because everyone did it that had a chance of moving up but in the end it was NSP that moved up (and probably rightly so). It’s not a question of the server but of human nature.

“Slowed down?” More like tucked tail and hid under the rug. NSP tried to do the same but got called out on it, and their roaming guilds that don’t normally care about PPT actually rose up to carry their server to silver. I still like my pals on HoD and SF, but as whole servers, you’re still a bunch of cowards for tanking to dodge silver league.

Call it whatever you want. Slowed down, tanked, whatever, but every server that was about to move up did it. It’s not our servers, it’s human nature. Don’t act like your server would do anything different in the same situation because they wouldn’t. Even if your personal position would be to move up (I was of the same opinion in terms of HoD) would the rest of your server feel the same way?

Going into this week, we warned our newer wvwers that we were going up against two larger servers, and we should not expect to get first, or even second. But, we also pointed out that more people = more loot/badges, and made the goal of this week to learn more, grow stronger, and mostly have a lot of fun with all the awesome fight opportunities. I think it’s all a matter of perspective – if you go in thinking, “Oh, we’re going to get crushed, why even bother?” you’ve pretty much decided it’ll suck right from the beginning, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I also think people forget that everyone on the bottom of bronze didn’t have a choice to tank into a more comfortable position, and that does force you to grow and work at becoming a stronger community, or your only other real option is to transfer or find a new game, because this one won’t be fun anymore. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that NSP is a stronger server at the end of leagues. I know GoM is, and speaking for myself, I’m having WAY more fun in wvw than I’ve had in a long time!

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Mercabre.7123:

styx.7294:

Look, I understand, Henge of Denravi wants to feel kitten but I am going to give you tough love. It’s ’cause I care.

“Slowed down?” More like tucked tail and hid under the rug. NSP tried to do the same but got called out on it, and their roaming guilds that don’t normally care about PPT actually rose up to carry their server to silver. I still like my pals on HoD and SF, but as whole servers, you’re still a bunch of cowards for tanking to dodge silver league.

Ahh we never had a chance at silver, we were rank 20 before the leagues started and hadn’t been above rank 18 since august. Not sure why you threw our name in there. Complaining about HoD not going to silver will get you nowhere anyway since only a set number of servers could be in silver at one time. So either you would have got NSP or IOJ or HoD but you would have been complaining either way.

Hey HoD and SF, Anet is talking about you guys!
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/world-vs-world-midseasonreport/

They also mention the week where DH came right from behind FC and took 1st (by camping out GoM’s bl for a few days straight but hey, whatever)

Mercabre.7123:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Mercabre.7123:

styx.7294:

Look, I understand, Henge of Denravi wants to feel kitten but I am going to give you tough love. It’s ’cause I care.

Henge of Denravi wins no fights. They haven’t won a fight in 5 weeks. To win fights, you have to be at fights. A week before leagues, Henge of Denravi heard there might be fights and ran away and hid so that there would be no chance of fights for 7 weeks.

So there can’t be posts about Henge of Denravi bravado, ’cause WvW is about fights you guys made sure to avoid fights for all of the league.

Maybe after this league you will come out stronger and that would be nice to see but for now when tested did you show unyielding courage? No. Unrelenting bloodlust? No. Willingness to stack the odds so high as to show your quality? No. =(

And don’t forget that all three servers that were on the brink of moving up to silver league “slowed down” the week or two prior to leagues. This is not an isolated case of “HoD is tanking they are kitten” because everyone did it that had a chance of moving up but in the end it was NSP that moved up (and probably rightly so). It’s not a question of the server but of human nature.

“Slowed down?” More like tucked tail and hid under the rug. NSP tried to do the same but got called out on it, and their roaming guilds that don’t normally care about PPT actually rose up to carry their server to silver. I still like my pals on HoD and SF, but as whole servers, you’re still a bunch of cowards for tanking to dodge silver league.

Call it whatever you want. Slowed down, tanked, whatever, but every server that was about to move up did it. It’s not our servers, it’s human nature. Don’t act like your server would do anything different in the same situation because they wouldn’t. Even if your personal position would be to move up (I was of the same opinion in terms of HoD) would the rest of your server feel the same way?

I’m not doubting that we don’t have our fair share of players that would consider it, but I can say with absolute certainty that GoM would never tank a match on purpose, simply because the leadership of our largest WvW guilds (the ones that can most affect a scoring rise or drop) are way too gung ho to even consider the idea of tanking. It would be a different story if more passive people were in charge (like in the case of NSP and [Os]), but a vast majority of our commanders are downright nuts.

This league fight has made a lot of people re-evaluate their universe in WvW. New strategies and play styles, extraordinary forum warring, and heaps of bodies on the ground. As they say, you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs:

clint.5681:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Mercabre.7123:

styx.7294:

Look, I understand, Henge of Denravi wants to feel kitten but I am going to give you tough love. It’s ’cause I care.

“Slowed down?” More like tucked tail and hid under the rug. NSP tried to do the same but got called out on it, and their roaming guilds that don’t normally care about PPT actually rose up to carry their server to silver. I still like my pals on HoD and SF, but as whole servers, you’re still a bunch of cowards for tanking to dodge silver league.

Ahh we never had a chance at silver, we were rank 20 before the leagues started and hadn’t been above rank 18 since august. Not sure why you threw our name in there. Complaining about HoD not going to silver will get you nowhere anyway since only a set number of servers could be in silver at one time. So either you would have got NSP or IOJ or HoD but you would have been complaining either way.

My apologies, there were three servers accused of tanking at the time and I think I got SF mixed up with KN (who ended up just being hit with massive population drops instead of actually tanking).

Either way, I’m definitely not complaining. Most of our matches will be against tougher opponents anyways and I much prefer that than roflstomping servers below us. I do, however, question the testicular fortitude of players who would rather dip than play. Why play a game if there’s no challenge to it? To each their own, I guess. I can’t see any fun in buying a game, then immediately setting it to Easy and feeling good about succeeding at it.

gz to the CoSa baddy that can kill my full zerk shatter mes while useing broken cheese perplexity runes i bet u feel so good when u wanna duel my war or thief let me know cuz ill crush ur little cheese runes.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

clint.5681:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Mercabre.7123:

styx.7294:

Look, I understand, Henge of Denravi wants to feel kitten but I am going to give you tough love. It’s ’cause I care.

“Slowed down?” More like tucked tail and hid under the rug. NSP tried to do the same but got called out on it, and their roaming guilds that don’t normally care about PPT actually rose up to carry their server to silver. I still like my pals on HoD and SF, but as whole servers, you’re still a bunch of cowards for tanking to dodge silver league.

Ahh we never had a chance at silver, we were rank 20 before the leagues started and hadn’t been above rank 18 since august. Not sure why you threw our name in there. Complaining about HoD not going to silver will get you nowhere anyway since only a set number of servers could be in silver at one time. So either you would have got NSP or IOJ or HoD but you would have been complaining either way.

My apologies, there were three servers accused of tanking at the time and I think I got SF mixed up with KN (who ended up just being hit with massive population drops instead of actually tanking).

Either way, I’m definitely not complaining. Most of our matches will be against tougher opponents anyways and I much prefer that than roflstomping servers below us. I do, however, question the testicular fortitude of players who would rather dip than play. Why play a game if there’s no challenge to it? To each their own, I guess. I can’t see any fun in buying a game, then immediately setting it to Easy and feeling good about succeeding at it.

Ahh i feel you, thats why this match is more interesting for me than the last 3 weeks of rolfstomping the rest of bronze.