Guild Wars 2

Well new Match up. I m glad that SFR is getting their dream sparring partner for all the GvG. All I ask you is now, is to not whine about night capping because we all know the spanish prime time is 2-3 Hours later,then the central europeans.

I wish everyone plenty of good fights and please keep it clean :-)

Seafarer, going to play all week with Megablob? I play baruch bl and ECS, koa and OSC all time blob…. or 10 meters… lag, can not play, are you breaking the reputation of seafarer of server no blob…please separate you from the map.

thx.

Welcome in this Matchup @Baruch! You’re still as sleepless as last time we met?

And another week with SFR! Are you guys serious? If I’d take the forum seriously… all the hatred… Still you cling to us like a girl fallen in love.

Hope we’ll have a lot of fun together!

Finally a server with guilds to fight with. Expecting a lot from this match-up ! Maybe Kodash’s guilds will get some more fight in them too ! .Try not to blob if possible. Stay calm and let us make this topic clear of bs and drama.

Do not whine about any nightcapping plox !

Good luck to everyone ! Let’s have some epic fights !

kursk.4890:

Seafarer, going to play all week with Megablob? I play baruch bl and ECS, koa and OSC all time blob…. or 10 meters… lag, can not play, are you breaking the reputation of seafarer of server no blob…please separate you from the map.

thx.

Are we in kindergarden or do we play WvW?
[KoA] is playing with 20-25 max,…if you have 40 guys in your Zerg it’s normal that we will sandwich you
[KoA] is accepting GvG challenges, we need some serious training!
SiN, DsD?

Hey guys,

our newest GvG video Good Old Days [GD] vs. The Bullfighters [BuLL] is now available. Watch it in 1080p and enjoy it!

More GvG videos are available in my YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/UltimateSmartBobby

Finally a server with some guilds who will kittening gvg.

BB guilds, Option wants gvg with u all.

Second Law [Scnd] up for GvG’s this week, and even just organised fights. Contact me via PM if you’re interested!

I’m expecting a lot of this matchup. Already had some decent fights on kodash bl.

However, it seems this won’t a week for ninja conquers. You find a kodash attached to an AC behind every door or wall of every structure on the map. Maybe even on sentries, I need to check that xd

But seriously, I think we already get used to fight blob servers. I hope we can adapt again this week and offer a close matchup until the end. GL everyone!

Thanks to all the guilds in Kodash BL tonight! Was a fun reset with some good fights

SmartBobby.6283:

Hey guys,

our newest GvG video Good Old Days [GD] vs. The Bullfighters [BuLL] is now available. Watch it in 1080p and enjoy it!

More GvG videos are available in my YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/UltimateSmartBobby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKX-6-Zzrvs

Hope they fix the retal border bug soon tho

Oh man, those BB blobs are even bigger than some of VS. So, VS=ER=BB, no difference except language. Another blobing matchup (don’t whine about nightcap, yeah, I will not). My only hope is to see some good GvG fights and to learn thing or two about our enemies and allies. Too bad we can’t GvG right now.

Hello all! It’s a pleasure fighting SFR guilds again. BuLL is up for GvG this week, just contact me ingame or pm me in forum.

Best Regards!

bla gvg bla gvg
play wvw not gvg
…
oh wait… do your gvgs sfr and baruch, so Kodash kann play wvw and make points while you do your stupid gvgs…
and I don’t give a kitten what you “pros” think about my post.

You again? Please, don’t try and stop people doing what they like doing just because you don’t happen to agree with them. It’s childish at best.

Epic “late” reset fights today, loads of clashes and thousands of bags for everyone, but probably more for me! Too bad for the horrible lag.

GWTiger.5178:

bla gvg bla gvg
play wvw not gvg
…
oh wait… do your gvgs sfr and baruch, so Kodash kann play wvw and make points while you do your stupid gvgs…
and I don’t give a kitten what you “pros” think about my post.

Go on, go play the game as it is intended. Blob up, spam build siege and take towers/keeps/sentry’s for points. Anet is proud of u .

In the meanwhile let us do our gvg’s and don’t take the fun away from us. Cause playing for points in wvw isn’t the way most of our guilds play anymore.

GWTiger.5178:

bla gvg bla gvg
play wvw not gvg
…
oh wait… do your gvgs sfr and baruch, so Kodash kann play wvw and make points while you do your stupid gvgs…
and I don’t give a kitten what you “pros” think about my post.

Fine, you play for your points, we’ll be play for GvG’s. You can go have fun with Vizu in T1, and we’ll have a nice guild tier sounds good for everyone.

Bit late posting this, but had a pretty decent night on Kodash BL. Bit blobby at the start for all 3 servers, but that seems to be nature of higher tiers, usually gets better as the week goes on. Good to ZDs(ZBs?) again, along with Opt and BOOM from SFR, good to see guilds running separate! Apologies if we didn’t engage much tonight, we had between 12 and 19 for most of the night, we look forward to fighting some of you when we field our usual numbers And our 15 getting chased halfway across the map by a force 3-4 times our size is incredibly amusing

Cya out there o/

Snowstorm.3897:

Second Law [Scnd] up for GvG’s this week, and even just organised fights. Contact me via PM if you’re interested!

Monday or Tuesday 8 pm ???

Aikanaro.2609:

Oh man, those BB blobs are even bigger than some of VS. So, VS=ER=BB, no difference except language. Another blobing matchup (don’t whine about nightcap, yeah, I will not). My only hope is to see some good GvG fights and to learn thing or two about our enemies and allies. Too bad we can’t GvG right now.

Yes, we do blob now and then. As every server does. Our community is a mixture of some big hardcore guilds and a good amount of small guilds and PUGs. You will have to deal with BB blobs, especially out of prime time.

But on the other hand, I’m pretty sure we can give you some good guild action on the battlefield. So don’t judge us so early and let’s have fun.

soooo much fun last night on BB BL , BIG THNX to [siN],[BULL],[DsD] and [EoW] – best reset since 3 weeks. Nice to see all the organized guildgroups

plse wsp me for GvG …

Since kodash like to talk about how other servers blob i have a question for ya
why on SFR border at reset when we were about 15 ppl in bay you still waited to get everyone there before attacking us ? you were with enough ppl to wipe us before that.

Prætorians [KoA] is accepting GvG challenges!
Someone on Monday? Someone on Thursday?

Let’s enjoy the week all, good luck everybody!

FINALLY some duelists who respect fair fights.

Thanks to Kessadin of [siN] and that engineer of [DOOM] on Baruch Bay. And of course many thanks to that Engineer of Second Law, also on Baruch! Really awesome fights this morning on SFR Borderlands!

Guess I will login more often this week for this!

yea Baruchs got some amazing soloers. I ve met today the best engi and Necro oponents of my GW2 carrer. got completely destroyed in some fights by both of em and I don t loose many duells.

Aikanaro.2609:

Oh man, those BB blobs are even bigger than some of VS. So, VS=ER=BB, no difference except language. Another blobing matchup (don’t whine about nightcap, yeah, I will not). My only hope is to see some good GvG fights and to learn thing or two about our enemies and allies. Too bad we can’t GvG right now.

Baruch like every server have blobs outside prime time, so the guilds aren’t playing and it’s all about pugs… But i can say to you, that in prime time you can have lot of fun against Baruch

Epic.

http://es-es.twitch.tv/xdef/b/416905033 31:30

I was really impressed this morning with BB, I`ve met more people actually willing to fight smallscale than during the past 4 weeks with SFR. Less bragging, less hiding in big groups, but very aggressive – kudos!

You never see the so called pro SFR guilds run with less than 5 people, they just never dare to. Even off prime time, if their guild zerg is not raiding, they just merge into the largest blob possible on eternal brackets most of the time.

Special mentions to the BB engineer from [MMO], you know how to play, good show.

@ kursk: I watched it, but how is pressing 1 during every fight for minutes and either steamrolling or getting steamrolled considered “epic”?

Best regards

Because big fightS are always more epic. Braveheart is much more epic movie than karate kid because of zerg vs zerg fight scenes.

Then our definition seems to differ quite a lot, at least our taste in movies does. Be like water, my friend.

Best regards

@Moon

This should be no flame,

but why don’t you go for smallscale in sPvP, there u can have 5vs5

In MY Opinion smallscale in WvW are the GvG’s like 20v20, and I think that is a good number to be called smallscale.

But I can’t force you how to play the game^^, even because i know that you [Buka] players are really strong.

Best regards

Moon.6371

I watched it, but how is pressing 1 during every fight for minutes either steamrolling or getting steamrolled considered “epic”?

Even though you aren’t asking me, hope you don’t mind if I give my insight into it, as we run a similar raid style in Second Law ^^ and I see this question asked a lot.

I’ve played competitive TPvP, and I’ve raid led for the guild, so I can look at things from both sides of the argument. I know in TPvP, that if you’re too slow, or you miss a skill, you’re likely dead, especially if you’re the focus. I know you can turn fights with 1 single skill or play, and it sure as hell feels good when that happens. It takes a lot of skills usually.

A lot of tournament players/roamers look at WvW, specifically guild raids, and say that they’re just a dis-organised skill-less mob of people spamming their skills and pressing 1 too much. And if you’ve never experienced a guild raid style of combat, its what it looks like. But coming from 7 months of doing this, its entirely the opposite.

Its quite similar to TPvP. If people kitten up an important skill, you’ve most likely either killed the guild, severely hampered your ability to fight, or put yourself at an immediate disadvantage. Water fields, static fields, nullfields, veil, timewarp, tome of courage, line of warding, sanctuary, dodging at key times, melee bomb(hammer stuns/guardians), plague, etc etc. Skills such as these need to be executed at the right times. Couple all of this with the need to be moving perfectly, getting the flank, avoiding the enemies attacks, getting good placement of your skills.

It takes a lot of skill to play in a guild raid at the top level. I can say every single member of Second Law is at the very least, an above average player, because they have to be. If you’re a poor player, you will die, you will get caught in the bomb, and you will die in a second while being pinged everywhere by temporal curtain, sanctuaries, rings of warding, etc. And because you’ve died, you’ve not only potentially ressed half the enemy, you’ve also put us at a numerical disadvantage, making the fight even more difficult. There are so many things that could go wrong that will flip the fight into the enemies favour, and its down to how good your guild is as to how often that happens.

The fights where we roll over an enemy, kill 40-50 in seconds, and collect loot don’t feel epic. The fights which last 3+ minutes vs a good guild, those are the fights that we at least play the game for.

@ Dominik:

Because the bland conquest mode of tpvp with almost 50% of the maps sucking heavily is just not what I expect from PvP. It is appealing, but not as much as Open-World-PvP with all the beautiful tactical options offered by open terrain and focus on actually killing enemy players…

I have absolutely no issues with big armies, with defending, point playing, etc. I love strategy. But I have issues with brain afk monotag zergers demanding everyone to cater to their style of play and hanging to the illusion it would be o-so-skillful PvP they are doing.

You`ll never find most of these guys in smaller groups where they have to actually prove their mechanical abilities, but you will find them here on the forums, crying about pugs, blobs, arrowcarts and whatever they feel the need to cry about if people choose to play the game differently (o the irony).

In what world do you live, where 20vs20 is considered smallscale? It is about a fourth of your own servers map population, thats not small by any means. The group control and ae restrictions suggest, that 5 mans is the optimal minimum setup (hint: minimum setup = small scale). However, combining these groups is absolutely legit, but not smallscale anymore, sorry.

@ Snowstorm:

But don`t you minimize the chances for fair/amazing fights the bigger your group gets? Not only because of the limitations of personal impact but also the (key-) point of finding proper groups to fight? Isn`t it illusionary to demand every matchup to provide a wide variety of equally sized guilds? Why not breaking up your monotag ball if there`s just nothing equal to fight (keep in mind 20 man is probably 1/4th of one servers whole borderland population)?

Best regards

Try to fight people alone if you are running with 3-5 people against one if possible in offprime.

@ Truebanana:

Well, your guild is a special case. After having discussions with one of your guildies my poor solo-roaming necro got hunted down, jumped on and laughed at by you guys 3vs1, 5vs1 for two consecutive days. Call it payback…

Best regards

I don’t know much about my guildmate because i don’t play with them since 2 month (i only do my daily and 1-2 hours roaming during the night then log off and we have almost no roamers in Option) and i never use emote to taunt.

The “worst” that i do is when i manage to kill “roaming” brave groups like yours (didn’t manage yet with your guild, since you are above average, it’s harder) of 3-4 people who fear 1vs1. I don’t kill the last of them when he’s on the ground, but i don’t let him rally either, i wait untill he give up and die slowly or let him rally and down him again untill he can’t rally anymore and die.

Yeah, same issue here with you guys, I got hunted down and emoted at a few times (when fighting and dying outnumbered). Decided to let you taste your own medicine.

Usually we are known to heavily promote 1vs1 and sportmanship, it seems your guild tag and class was somewhat hindering you to get first hand experience. Feel free to signalize your concern ingame with /salute or simple jumping and Buka will usually sit down and watch the fight.

Best regards

Moon.6371

@ Snowstorm:

But don`t you minimize the chances for fair/amazing fights the bigger your group gets? Not only because of the limitations of personal impact but also the (key-) point of finding proper groups to fight? Isn`t it illusionary to demand every matchup to provide a wide variety of equally sized guilds? Why not breaking up your monotag ball if there`s just nothing equal to fight (keep in mind 20 man is probably 1/4th of one servers whole borderland population)?

You do yes, we have a policy in the guild that if we EVER run 40 guys one night, we’ll split into 2 seperate 20 mans, because there’s just so much challenge in fighting completely outnumbered. We only have a roster of 36, and we run around 25 average. This means we find plenty of guilds to fight, and are still able to kill the server blobs, both of which provide a very good challenge. If you get beaten, there are 2 options you have. 1, get bigger, 2, get better. A lot of guilds will choose the first option, which is now why we see 40 man guilds roaming the maps.

As to why we won’t run smaller and smaller. Its because at the end of the day, the people are in the guild for the 25v25. If we did want some smaller scale, we’ll play in offpeak time, or in sPvP. And in our opinion, in this tier, 25-30 is the ideal number you want to be running with as a guild. That way you can engage other guilds on a fairly equal footing, and you can kill the blobs. You get the most of your WvW time if you run 25-30, and you get the most realistic challenge.

Thank you for the honest, well worded reply, Snowstorm. Your perspective makes sense, I guess I just don`t enjoy enough being part of a big group to pull your excitement and feeling of challenge out of it.

See you on the battlefield, good luck & have fun!

disappointed to see BB running from us with equal number tonight

Did have some nice fights when we could get them

Miss you SFR, hope we meet you next matchup:(

Is very sad to see full time with blob seafarer,

we have 4 guild groups on borderlands we haven’t been blobbing

Moon.6371:

Thank you for the honest, well worded reply, Snowstorm. Your perspective makes sense, I guess I just don`t enjoy enough being part of a big group to pull your excitement and feeling of challenge out of it.

See you on the battlefield, good luck & have fun!

You too man! We all want different things from the game to be sure, enjoy your time in the mists

Now, can I ask, why does it take Xaoc, BOOM and ZBs to fight 20 Scnd+5 BuLL? Really? 80 for 1 guild. Sure, you have 4 guilds on the border, but you’re not running without the other 3 guilds close behind. Message to you, this is not T1, you do not have to blob everything to death. Its pathetic, and it makes your guild(s) look weak.

We look forward to GvG with ECL on Tuesday!

4 guild yes, but always in blob, together, hand in hand, merged etc …

an example (of many)

http://es-es.twitch.tv/xdef/b/417328646 1:46:00 is no NORMAL!!!!! is a vizunah/elona style and is all time, you can not play always against 80 (full frontier)

I repeat, it is not normal, this sucks, lag, lag, lag 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1… 5 minutes separate you, only 5 minutes!!!! the legendary seafarers is now a server blob

You not gonna believe me, but 20vs20 is THE small scale PvP in this match-up. We are running 15-20 and cannot fight equal numbers, only blobs. And if Kodash are easy to handle sometimes, BB often contains guild groups + randoms (not less than 35). Blobs like that are not possible to kill with such small force.

I don’t remember seeing 80 fight 20. Think you over exaggerate our numbers.
We have often been outnumbered in fights in this match up so far by BB and kodash.

Maybe in BB case this isn’t on purpose and is 2 guilds coming together which is unavoidable sometimes. (Also happens on SFR) 1 of your guilds didn’t run away why would ours?

Aikanaro.2609:

You not gonna believe me, but 20vs20 is THE small scale PvP in this match-up. We are running 15-20 and cannot fight equal numbers, only blobs. And if Kodash are easy to handle sometimes, BB often contains guild groups + randoms (not less than 35). Blobs like that are not possible to kill with such small force.

Stop pushing us in your little SFR world. 20 men are definitely not the smallscale PvP in this match-up if you play WvW outside EU primetime.

Snowstorm.3897:

Moon.6371:

Thank you for the honest, well worded reply, Snowstorm. Your perspective makes sense, I guess I just don`t enjoy enough being part of a big group to pull your excitement and feeling of challenge out of it.

See you on the battlefield, good luck & have fun!

You too man! We all want different things from the game to be sure, enjoy your time in the mists

Now, can I ask, why does it take Xaoc, BOOM and ZBs to fight 20 Scnd+5 BuLL? Really? 80 for 1 guild. Sure, you have 4 guilds on the border, but you’re not running without the other 3 guilds close behind. Message to you, this is not T1, you do not have to blob everything to death. Its pathetic, and it makes your guild(s) look weak.

Well, you might know now what a fullgroup of 5 players thinks when something like this happens to them :P

Personally, I hate it when people hide behind AoE-cap. A lot skills get absorbed in a zerg and it destroys fairness and decent positioning in my opinion.

Okay, this is what it is. Its BOOM, Xaoc, ZBs and pugs.

ZBs = 20 guys(quoted from above)
Xaoc = ~15 guys
BOOM = ~35 guys(low estimate)

That totals at 70 guys already right there and thats just in guilds. BOOM seem to have around 15-20 pugs following them also, making them around a 50-60 man group(blob) just by themselves. Meanwhile, the biggest guild BB have on the border is Scnd, who are atm running around 17 guys + whoever tags on with us, max 10 friendlies. We’re also outmanned, and you STILL bring the server blob.

Please SFR, go back to T1 where you belong. All that happens so far is we engage one guild, already outnumbered, and another 1 or 2 guilds comes in behind and flanks us, forming the blob, and killing us 20 vs 70-80.

vanensang.1389:

Stop pushing us in your little SFR world. 20 men are definitely not the smallscale PvP in this match-up if you play WvW outside EU primetime.

What is the “EU primetime”?