Guild Wars 2

Hold up ill happily defend GoD on this one so your saying if one opponent out numbers the other on a map in general population it doesn’t make the fights harder i totally disagree

No, it does not make the fights harder. Being outnumbered in a fight itself makes it harder, but the outmanned buff does nothing.

Stop shifting the goal posts.

Amazing fight in Deso Garrison last night. CoN and OSC must have killed that lord 10 times, but massive credit to Desolation you guys never gave up and kept the banners coming. Lots of bags and lots of fun were had by all.

On another note, GoD are a deluded laughing stock of a guild. I actually have a lot of love for the rest of Deso though.

Axle.5182:

colesy.8490:

Hold up ill happily defend GoD on this one so your saying if one opponent out numbers the other on a map in general population it doesn’t make the fights harder i totally disagree

No, it does not make the fights harder. Being outnumbered in a fight itself makes it harder, but the outmanned buff does nothing.

Stop shifting the goal posts.

Im thinking many SFR live in an ideal world where they perceive if a guild runs solo on a map the extra man power on the map will drop weapons and simply observe from a distance and not engage, keep dreaming iv had a group hit by multiple groups before we could even recover from the first engagement.

You speak of solo roaming but it’s quite obvious not everyone including your own server is on the same page all of the time.

xD SFR have much much drama:) and much much love for each other<3

sadly we are full so your not welcome xD

Wemil.7052:

I can give you one know and the next hour.

rise guild that recently left sfr to piken square because of lack of players:)

I remember rampage one day saying something about farming desolation while having outmanned buff or something:)

oh and RESET many guilds don’t play. too much lag if for example za drot would play reset I think everything would be going +350 for sfr because GoD and deso/vizunah blob lost everything yesterday EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVERYTTHING on the borderland zd played:)

Blobs you say despite me confirming out manned in all maps sunday and on reset the only substantial manpower we had was on Deso map so im guessing you still have superior numbers play reset than you would like to admit.

Wemil.7052:

sadly we are full so your not welcome xD

That’s not what everyone else is saying i heard it was open house at SFR why you think all your randoms from Gandara etc are coming? good luck with the queues in the future lol

Im quite enjoying my out manned buff iv saved quite a bit of gold in the process and less down time between fights your too bloated for my liking

Good to see you ignored my post, how about you admit you were wrong?

colesy.8490:

Good to see you ignored my post, how about you admit you were wrong?

I could go on all day arguing your point of opinion but lets face it it’s just that a point of opinion and one coming from a guild that often takes ECL along for the trip, now you will argue it’s just a coincidence but a rather frequent one at that.

What im saying is the debate is dead in the water neither of our opinions is up for negotiation so why bother when everyone’s entitled to their own. Not worth debating better time for everyone if we where discussing something actually constructive something that’s lacking in this thread.

How about I just make it painfully clear.

You and the amateur from GoD have tried to claim that the outmanned buff makes fights harder. The outmanned buff gives you magic find and no repair bills if I recall correctly.

The point I am making, is that being outnumbered makes fights harder. The outmanned buff does not. You can still gank people if you have the buff on.

In essence, you are both wrong in claiming the buff makes fights harder.

So I’ll ask again, admit you were wrong. I honestly didn’t think WvW players could be this dense.

Victory.2879:

Good to see the idea of small roaming teams/thiefs killing dollies/capping camps has been removed from SFR entirely. Guild groups seem to think this is always someone else’s job and only bother with a camp when they need supplies.

In the end it will be the cumulative difference in the scores, with Viz winning by 20-30k points- they know when they are outnumbered to at least try and flip camps and guards and try and keep supplies from allowing upgrades to keeps and towers until they ready to zerg.

Try to form a camp flipping or dolly killing team in, say, Viz borderland and get no replies, same in other BL and even in EB.

I’m almost tempted to blow the dust off my thief- ok, nothing will tempt me to do that, really.

Best part of this evening was on Gandara where my upscaled noob engineer beat a ‘general’ enemy necro- sometimes I think they buy these titles…

Come on!!! Everybody know that’s work for noobs! Only noobs or unskilled players do those sorts of things!!! Try to get someone to use a treb, and you will see how hard it is (yesterday 3 trebs from SM to WC, and two guys that had tag, using them, big noobs, one was me of course).
Escorting or scouting? Upgrading, flipping camps? Nah. Sunday only played a few hours, very sad with the way we are playing. Very good for my economy, instead of losing money in WWW, I’m winning money in Chaos.

The new theory “We lost it? Never mind it was paper”., it’s very funny. All structures are paper before we upgrade and defend. Every tower must have siege and at least 1 scout inside, including the weakest ones, when we retake a tower in our land, the 1st thing to do its put siege inside, not leaving without doing it.

SFR in EB, is in -1 state again.

Cheers:)

The Hammer.5960:

Amazing fight in Deso Garrison last night. CoN and OSC must have killed that lord 10 times, but massive credit to Desolation you guys never gave up and kept the banners coming. Lots of bags and lots of fun were had by all.

On another note, GoD are a deluded laughing stock of a guild. I actually have a lot of love for the rest of Deso though.

Oh wow, we actually have respectful people here!

Nice fight indeed, some tough fights in there.

Axle.5182:

Wemil.7052:

sadly we are full so your not welcome xD

That’s not what everyone else is saying i heard it was open house at SFR why you think all your randoms from Gandara etc are coming? good luck with the queues in the future lol

Im quite enjoying my out manned buff iv saved quite a bit of gold in the process and less down time between fights your too bloated for my liking

sure its open house but will you be really liked if your coming with upscaled only running with zone blob?

no xD.

and our ques are getting lower and lower already got a 4-5 minutes que atm:) gonna run no tag soon so a lot upscaled gonna leave<3

Wemil.7052:

Axle.5182:

Wemil.7052:

sadly we are full so your not welcome xD

That’s not what everyone else is saying i heard it was open house at SFR why you think all your randoms from Gandara etc are coming? good luck with the queues in the future lol

Im quite enjoying my out manned buff iv saved quite a bit of gold in the process and less down time between fights your too bloated for my liking

sure its open house but will you be really liked if your coming with upscaled only running with zone blob?

Don’t confuse the entirety of deso off of one guild in particular.

warriorjrd.8695:

Wemil.7052:

sure its open house but will you be really liked if your coming with upscaled only running with zone blob?

Don’t confuse the entirety of deso off of one guild in particular.

Meanwhile, Vizunah has been running #1 in the past 12 months with “upscaled only running with zone blob”.

Just saying…

MagnusLL.8473:

warriorjrd.8695:

Wemil.7052:

sure its open house but will you be really liked if your coming with upscaled only running with zone blob?

Don’t confuse the entirety of deso off of one guild in particular.

Meanwhile, Vizunah has been running #1 in the past 12 months with “upscaled only running with zone blob”.

Just saying…

Being number 1 in wvw mean nothing. wvw is a coverage game, nothing more. Being first place is tied, in now way, with skill

warriorjrd.8695:

Being number 1 in wvw mean nothing. wvw is a coverage game, nothing more. Being first place is tied, in now way, with skill

Yea just like blobing together with GoD. ;-)

Guys guys guys….Why so serious? :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x7aHjMAH_AM

Laurenz.2936:

warriorjrd.8695:

Being number 1 in wvw mean nothing. wvw is a coverage game, nothing more. Being first place is tied, in now way, with skill

Yea just like blobing together with GoD. ;-)

but but… GoD don’t blob!!!
they run maximum 25 guys even if the screenshots videos shows 35-40 Q-Q<3

xD<3 its interesting few nights ago they ran 2 commanders atleast fight at bridge around 30 guild mates fighting at bridge equal numbers and 15-20 stacked up end of bridge getting ready to sandwich and they don’t run more than 25? interesting<3

no point showing screenshot or videos they will just say its faked <3

Wemil.7052:

but but… GoD don’t blob!!!
they run maximum 25 guys even if the screenshots videos shows 35-40 Q-Q<3
no point showing screenshot or videos they will just say its faked <3

If you replaced the word “god” with “sfr” the statement would remain true

GJ random Deso Guard+3 Thief. Flip Mendon without siege.

“Dans to brun ça c’est sur”

Anyone care to translate? Appreciated.

Wolfheart.1938:

“Dans to brun ça c’est sur”

Anyone care to translate? Appreciated.

‘In what is to brown it on’ according to Google translate anyway ha!

Wolfheart.1938:

“Dans to brun ça c’est sur”

Anyone care to translate? Appreciated.

Something like “In you kitten for sure”.
What was the context ? ^^

Thanks for the fights on Desolation Borderlands tonight.

The [KoA]-Guild.

SFR has some good players and guilds, but what some of their forum warriors write here doesn’t make any sense. It is as if there is some reality distortion field clouding their minds.

If some Desolation guild has e.g. 25 guys on TeamSpeak, few of them AFK at the starting point or at another map, SFR tells here that we had 40 and that they won that “40” with only 30. Mathematics must be hard for some.

Obviously outnumbered “buff” means that you have much less players than some other server. And to claim that the number of players has no effect on any battles, is just lying. In fact a winning server has a minor advantage via Power of the Mists:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_of_the_Mists

And generally the server with best coverage and highest number of players has the best buffs from Power of the Mists.

But the new outnumbered buff is pretty nice as it gives +25% more WXP. WXP ranks go now so fast, because we have outnumbered buff almost all the time. And no queues.

But desolation have fotm server since beta buff. You just don’t use it.

Junkpile.7439:

But desolation have fotm server since beta buff. You just don’t use it.

Low quality trolling indeed.

Exemple : “If you are fighting 25 people while you are also 25 but with outmanned buff, you are still 25.”
It’s easier to understand that way.

INVI + few TLA provided you with this evenings entertainment on Vizu borderlands …….led by Our Squad Commander we managed to successfully achieve good things….yes you heard …good things.

The opposition started off with around equal numbers and the fights were perfect for us to manage (both viz/sfr). We then got a little outnumbered towards the end (note sarcasm) as we were the only guild on the map from deso.

Facing the hoard of loot hungry Vizu Zombies plus the 3 SFR guilds including the infamous KoA and CoN meant we could not achieve everything one would wish…..however despite the odds we never failed to back down and took the opposition on.

To all the soldiers who died/suicided today, you fought/died bravely….

Wow i missed the vizunah blob so much! Enjoy the video guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oosw8WgZroM

1 kitten thief called La Michael Westen burning supplys from EB.

Nice job m8,

Nice cheating demonstration from Dezoomer’s Rest on Eternal BG this morning, carts hitting the Lord while door 2 was still up was quite funny.

colesy.8490:

Obviously outnumbered “buff” means that you have much less players than some other server. And to claim that the number of players has no effect on any battles, is just lying. In fact a winning server has a minor advantage via Power of the Mists:

O M G

Would you read my posts about the outmanned buff? Read every single one of them very carefully. If you’re too lazy, just read my third post on this page.

Desolation, can you drag your illiterates out of the thread? I can only handle so much dumbarsery.

Actually, I’ll quote myself for you:

The point I am making, is that being outnumbered makes fights harder. The outmanned buff does not. You can still gank people if you have the buff on.

Did you and the two other braindeads arguing with me even go to school?

Your still going on!!!?

Ok then smart kitten we know how the buff itself works no one directly stated the buff made fights harder, it’s what the buff represents that makes things harder the fact that a server is outmatched in population on a map if being outmanned wasn’t a real issue there would be no need for a buff would there?

You are assuming we live in a perfect world where every encounter is 20v20 you are trying to tell me if i had a guild group of 20 and because you have many more similar groups on the map and two roaming quite close if were spotted only one would engage and the other would move on?

Outside of GvG there are no controls to consider such things as fair fights neither side has the time nor interest in accurately counting their opponents before engaging and outside of GvG it’s not practical and further more nobody cares.

When it comes to SFR vs Desolation any discrepancy whilst out manned buff is active is actually quite large roughly 3/1 my guild has been at Gamescom during the start of this matchup so i have had many an opportunity to roam maps and see for myself.

Your fixated on educating us on the mechanics of the out manned buff when the real issue is population coverage and general population itself telling us SFR and any server groups engage only equal numbers is purely fictional.

Remember No 1 spot isn’t earned through skill and fair even fights it’s gained by stacking WvW population and coverage against all other competitors Blacktide anyone?

Actually i think your being quite harsh in your attitude in that you cannot distinguish by now the out manned buff is referred by what it symbolises and not what it does lol

So what have we learnt so far from Mr colesy’s posts in this thread? that we must be politically correct when mentioning the out manned buff, it’s not the buffs fault fights are harder.

Not everyone makes the connection between the buff and the fact it means you where quite out numbered.

So to that end please refer in future to the term out numbered as quite frankly id hate colesy’s interpretations result in him popping an artery over such a menial thing lol

And if i end with going back to my defense of GoD claiming they where outnumbered on the map and how it somehow got twisted around to meaning having the buff made fights harder… Well no individual fights may not be harder however being heavily out numbered in general on the map means you often become a magnet of attention. If GoD where the only group on that map vs multiple Viz and SFR groups id expect everyone to come down on them like a tonne of bricks.

I know for a fact if desolation had multiple guild groups stacked on a map harassing one of SFR’s guild groups out manned over and over they too would abandon ship and it does happen as there is only so much bouncing from pillar to post against 2 servers groups without support any guild will take before considering moving out.

My example was Desolation bl at reset despite your claim you where under strength at reset you still out numbered desolation on every map but our own. We stacked FG and EXG along with our randoms on that map as a last resort due to the turnout on the other maps, you hit us hard at reset but we harassed the life out of any groups you had and they abandoned ship they got sick of running into desolation groups at every turn no room to maneuver probably thought to themselves we will come back when the map is a bit quieter and some deso have gone to sleep.

It was not a case of the buff made fights harder for your guys but we where more numerous than you as a result.

kitten Axle you are..whatever. Is english your first language?

“One more thing I would like to add is that we had an outmanned buff while we were facing ZB so that made it even more difficult.” (quoted from original post)

This implies that once you have the outnumbered buff, ALL your fights are harder. Wrong. For all you know, we had a commander gathering the pugs somewhere else against VS, so our “excess” players weren’t at the fight. It is perfectly possible that two guild raids clash in close to equal numbers with no randoms around (I’ve seen it happen, was there at the clash. Should I check the screens?). In those situations, having the outnumbered buff doesn’t change anything.

I guess what I’m trying to say is the buff doesn’t automatically mean that every fight of yours is gonna be uphill. In fact say AFTL are the only force on a map while we have KoA, ECL and pugs. AFTL are 20, KoA are 15. They clash. Are AFTL gonna boast that they won while outnumbered?

Anyways, this whole discussion about logic is getting boring so I’ll stop here. Thanks to whoever translated that french sentence, but I’m keeping the circumstances a secret :P

Look, the outmannedbuff only says you are outmanned, it doesn’t say how much you are outmanned. It’s perfectly possible that there are 3 guildgroups running on the border, all of 30 men each. They all are running on another part of the map. You are saying it isn’t possible they are running apart? With outmanned buff you can have fair, even fights, think before you post something pls.

Sylosis.7125:

Facing the hoard of loot hungry Vizu Zombies plus the 3 SFR guilds including the infamous KoA and CoN meant we could not achieve everything one would wish…..however despite the odds we never failed to back down and took the opposition on.

To all the soldiers who died/suicided today, you fought/died bravely….

Yeah, [INVI] did great yesterday!

Best fight of the evening:

http://www.twitch.tv/rajneshtamil/c/2822037

Actualy it was a figth between [INVI] and [KoA],…but Vizunah decided to engage us.

BakedWaffle.8751:

Look, the outmannedbuff only says you are outmanned, it doesn’t say how much you are outmanned. It’s perfectly possible that there are 3 guildgroups running on the border, all of 30 men each. They all are running on another part of the map. You are saying it isn’t possible they are running apart? With outmanned buff you can have fair, even fights, think before you post something pls.

It is also possible that you are so badly outnumbered on a map that you have a total of 2-3 players on that map. If enemy runs in three 30 man blobs, what is the likelihood of a fair fight? Zero.

What you write is theoretically possible and happens sometimes, but the most probable outcome is that the outnumbered side is facing fights where it needs to fight against larger group than its own.

Anycase thanks for all those brave Visunah and SFR players on Deso BL today, who were fighting in pairs or solo against Desolation, who had at that moment more players on that map (see not that difficult to admit that you won because of numbers <- SFR can never do that).

Kudos to [Hovi] warrior from that tiny Asura engineer. The lone SFR thief commander with the tag was also a curious sight to see.

Later VS came with lots of golems and a huge blob to flip all the keep, so we had our outnumbered moments as well. But reseting all the keeps = lots of WXP.

Random People.4629:

In totally unrelated news, a picture of a Desolation guardian being chased out of Overlook after glitching through the wall
Earlier this individual had been taking out trebuchets from inside the wall. None of the walls or gates had been breached prior to this event.

Sad to see ppl like this on deso. Found him in our keep akitteng, but he was in a weird position, like if “falling from the sky” and it was repeating constantly. Tried to make video of it, but somehow recording program didn’t want to start so here is the screenshot… Reported

Also funny fights around sm yday night with some of WvW guys backed up by OSC forces sometimes

Atoss.1056:

Random People.4629:

In totally unrelated news, a picture of a Desolation guardian being chased out of Overlook after glitching through the wall
Earlier this individual had been taking out trebuchets from inside the wall. None of the walls or gates had been breached prior to this event.

Sad to see ppl like this on deso. Found him in our keep akitteng, but he was in a weird position, like if “falling from the sky” and it was repeating constantly. Tried to make video of it, but somehow recording program didn’t want to start so here is the screenshot… Reported

Also funny fights around sm yday night with some of WvW guys backed up by OSC forces sometimes

The first screenshot is just a bug
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Getting-stuck-in-waypoints/first#post2710975

So don’t report for that.

thx meta for trying to interrupt our gvg (AND HORRIBLY WIPING WHILE TRYING XD).
its sad that some viz try to win so hard. glad u have few guilds that step up atleast.

Pindah.1780:

Atoss.1056:

Random People.4629:

In totally unrelated news, a picture of a Desolation guardian being chased out of Overlook after glitching through the wall
Earlier this individual had been taking out trebuchets from inside the wall. None of the walls or gates had been breached prior to this event.

Sad to see ppl like this on deso. Found him in our keep akitteng, but he was in a weird position, like if “falling from the sky” and it was repeating constantly. Tried to make video of it, but somehow recording program didn’t want to start so here is the screenshot… Reported

Also funny fights around sm yday night with some of WvW guys backed up by OSC forces sometimes

The first screenshot is just a bug
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Getting-stuck-in-waypoints/first#post2710975

So don’t report for that.

Alright, but how she got into few towers/keeps then. Only some hack comes on my mind…

Atoss.1056:

Also funny fights around sm yday night with some of WvW guys backed up by OSC forces sometimes

must admit. That AC kitten ed me off in that moment)

and thanks to this Deso [CS] warrior for a long long duel (about an hour ago) what ended with his blob came …actually i hate when people smallscaling on map with ussually high que, but suddenly i got in taste of that fight with my vs zerg build)

/bow

Thanks to all who followed me last night on EB even if we were outnumbered and sorry for the mistakes I made it’s been a long time since I commanded during prime time and I just came back from a long walk IRL!
One day I hope more people will learn to stick to the tag and then maybe get on TS as it’s much easier to talk than type what I want to do.
If you find me out roaming I’m a S/D thief with a survivable build so go easy on me.

Rajnesh.4526:

Sylosis.7125:

Facing the hoard of loot hungry Vizu Zombies plus the 3 SFR guilds including the infamous KoA and CoN meant we could not achieve everything one would wish…..however despite the odds we never failed to back down and took the opposition on.

To all the soldiers who died/suicided today, you fought/died bravely….

Yeah, [INVI] did great yesterday!

Best fight of the evening:

http://www.twitch.tv/rajneshtamil/c/2822037

Actualy it was a figth between [INVI] and [KoA],…but Vizunah decided to engage us.

Thanks for the fun fights we had a great time on Viz BL yesterday. Though it did up blobby later as everyone on Viz joined on us and requested me to tag up. The 3-way fight at Hills was a fun one for sure.

Rajnesh.4526:

Sylosis.7125:

Facing the hoard of loot hungry Vizu Zombies plus the 3 SFR guilds including the infamous KoA and CoN meant we could not achieve everything one would wish…..however despite the odds we never failed to back down and took the opposition on.

To all the soldiers who died/suicided today, you fought/died bravely….

Yeah, [INVI] did great yesterday!

Best fight of the evening:

http://www.twitch.tv/rajneshtamil/c/2822037

Actualy it was a figth between [INVI] and [KoA],…but Vizunah decided to engage us.

Epic fights indeed….. i kinda preferred this fight………http://www.twitch.tv/rajneshtamil/b/451847463 skip to 32min in. I wonder why lol

See you on the battlefield shortly. :-)

Good fights on Deso BL: Deso blob vs. iddQ + OSC. You guys from SFR giving our blob some good lessons. Respect, don’t give up

Just a shame that Vizunah is only capable to hide in hills behind 100 AC and doesn’t do anything else…

Sylosis.7125:

Rajnesh.4526:

Sylosis.7125:

Facing the hoard of loot hungry Vizu Zombies plus the 3 SFR guilds including the infamous KoA and CoN meant we could not achieve everything one would wish…..however despite the odds we never failed to back down and took the opposition on.

To all the soldiers who died/suicided today, you fought/died bravely….

Yeah, [INVI] did great yesterday!

Best fight of the evening:

http://www.twitch.tv/rajneshtamil/c/2822037

Actualy it was a figth between [INVI] and [KoA],…but Vizunah decided to engage us.

Epic fights indeed….. i kinda preferred this fight………http://www.twitch.tv/rajneshtamil/b/451847463 skip to 32min in. I wonder why lol

See you on the battlefield shortly. :-)

Naah,…this fight in the eastcamp wasn’t good. You outnumbered my 17 KoA a bit
I was screaming like hell in teamspeak “PUSH BACK IN 3,..2,…1,…WAKE THE **** UP!! WHERE ARE MY ****ING WATERFIELDS,…DO YOUR ****ING JOB *******”!

Ah yeah before i forget:
Praetorians [KoA] is recruiting 4-5 exceptional skilled hardcore WvW-Players! If someone is interested,..pm me!

Rajnesh.4526:

Sylosis.7125:

Rajnesh.4526:

Sylosis.7125:

Facing the hoard of loot hungry Vizu Zombies plus the 3 SFR guilds including the infamous KoA and CoN meant we could not achieve everything one would wish…..however despite the odds we never failed to back down and took the opposition on.

To all the soldiers who died/suicided today, you fought/died bravely….

Yeah, [INVI] did great yesterday!

Best fight of the evening:

http://www.twitch.tv/rajneshtamil/c/2822037

Actualy it was a figth between [INVI] and [KoA],…but Vizunah decided to engage us.

Epic fights indeed….. i kinda preferred this fight………http://www.twitch.tv/rajneshtamil/b/451847463 skip to 32min in. I wonder why lol

See you on the battlefield shortly. :-)

Naah,…this fight in the eastcamp wasn’t good. You outnumbered my 17 KoA a bit
I was screaming like hell in teamspeak “PUSH BACK IN 3,..2,…1,…WAKE THE **** UP!! WHERE ARE MY ****ING WATERFIELDS,…DO YOUR ****ING JOB *******”!

Ah yeah before i forget:
Praetorians [KoA] is recruiting 4-5 exceptional skilled hardcore WvW-Players! If someone is interested,..pm me!

Yeah we had a little more than you, did your guys slack off?….pm in game when your online mate.