Guild Wars 2

kitten not dzag again?! Also we got put with a server 6 ranks higher.. thats nice.

Anyhow, looking forward to some good fights this week, have a good one!

Useful thread that is straight to the point, will read again.

Yes Eru, I thought you might say that >:D

Certainly going to be an action packed week with no doubt some whining on this thread and boasting!

Gl to all sides!

~Mute

Dz pretty much doing the same, blobbing our border.

FR tho setting up really nice groups and show us some nice tactics, had some good fights already! looking forward to more of that this week!

Nice tactics Ranik, I look forward to the fights this week ( we kinda dished potential points already xD )

Ok nvm, bored of FR’s retal train :/ So many guardians omg

Looks like we get to spend a week talking to ourselves !

Kill the guardian!
- Which of the 30 do you mean?
Uhm…

Hi there!

We’re sorry for you WSR guys (well, at least I am!), seems it’ll be a hard week for you.
As for Dzag, you’ve been holding (and taking >_>)quite well yesterday, huge zerg on EB, we couldn’t hold “our” Ogrewatch against you guys! :P (small group taking it a few time during the evening, it was fun though to come back every hour to have it back!

Wish you a nice week and see you on the battlefield! =)

We’re sorry for you WSR guys (well, at least I am!), seems it’ll be a hard week for you.

Not only for WSR…

looks like this week is gonna be boring as hell.
So its time for 1on1 got alredy some nice fights vs FR

Have fun everybody and greetings from dzagonur

Hah well it’s Anets fault we got thrown in the deep end so no need to apologise, points are non of our concern this week.

All we ask is that when you see us you give us some open field fights whenever you can. Its great training for us and good fun all round.

If you can’t even make a difference if we would double team on FR… you know there is something seriously wrong.

Both WSR and Dz together couldn’t even threaten FR!
Some match-up.
And that’s bad for FR as well, not like it’s their fault.
I’m sure they are just as bored as we are by now.

We still fight at WSR, where we can. And in reality that comes down to: hit and run, hope you don’t get noticed…

Just be happy about all those free kills this week ^^ FR seems to consist of ~50% berserker longbow rangers that can easily be farmed as long as they are not hiding inside their zerg.

Not saying that all FR are bad but so far i’m not overly impressed…

yeah me too. I expected a lot more individual strength from FR but as we can see if Dzag & WSR aren’t completly outnumberd, FR isn’t really impressiv

Atleast there always enough enemies with Ranik! I really do appreciate that (No irony or Sarcasmus! ).

Here some fun moments from small scale roaming yesterdays Evening. Running the whole time with 6 People felt almost like a zerg, but well zerg begins at 8 ppl! Well my own made up Guildrule for what is a zerg ^^

Nice vid, i like that intro haha

Heres some WBC in action at reset night, thanks for the good fights we had against FR!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Osv39UdRL8

Awful Matchup we can barely do anything with these the other borderlands around, too many of them.

I have been on WSR all week, except reset.“Relaxing” matchup in compare of the last one but still very fun, because different, like old days of Ranik.

Had fun times fighting hours between garrison and sunnyhill at 20-30 against 30-40 (so hard to tell numbers because you always fell outnumbered) and loved the defense golems on garrison iirc. Was fun to see dzagonur going for hills, we weren’t focus on keeping it anyway, while they had nothing on their HM but they will pay for taking garrison behind us (great move guys, I give you the medal of ninja).Looking forward more.

Your guild zerg are good but in off-peak times, our zerg are like paper, I hit many 4k on lvl-80 character with #1 and i was no zerker. W do not have 50% of zerk ranger … ok only 30%, we are looking to improve the composition of our zerg to add more guardians (thx for positive feedback about these).
We seems to have same (we do not outnumber you like 3:1) number (at least on WSR map).All you need is coverage, organisation and maybe tactics (because you so love being portal-bombed). But i concede you that you are very good on small scale fights. and most of all you never stop fighting (except one time when you ran away while you outnumbered us) and that’s very great.

For EB, it’s very strange we didn’t manage to keep our tower T3 since we had queues. EB is always an awkward map full of “pveboyz” and people not listening commanders because ,you know, when you do FoTM 30, screw the rules.

ich im sorry you only had pugs to fight on our BL tonight but there is a good reason for that and it happens to be the same reason you lost that t3 tower.

Our two main (only) wvw guilds were playing earlier on in the night without a tag on using voice comms and many of our pugs had a problem with our guild leader doing this saying that they are useless, so we left the BL and went to EB for the evening to see how the randoms would manage without us.

Score isn’t any of our concern this week we just want good fights

Scoot hakitten the nail on the head, the 2 guilds which defend our border consistently week after week try do do guild events and have to suffer abuse in chat, if people want to run with those commanders then join WBC or TEO, simples !!

1. That’s about the only thing WSR guilds can do this week: run seperate and hope to get some things done, or get some fun fights.
I understand the bigger guilds trying to do guildraids only. It’s not that they can make a difference in the score anymore…

So I think the complaining in chat is unnneeded.

2. This said: I think it’s the worst for all the randoms and very small guilds!

As a random, as a small group, you can do almost absolutely nothing at all.
The bigger guilds can at least hope for a decent fight and work on raid tactics.
For all the randoms this week is an absolute waste.

That’s where a lot of the frustration comes from: most players can’t do a single thing in WvW at the moment. So when they see a bigger guild running, they hope they could run along and at least get some action…

There are always two sides of the story, and I can relate to both.

3. My guild did some minor actions here and there and got a keep or a tower back at times… untill the next zerg arrived.
But alone I tried roaming a bit, doing some solo stuff. Well, I can tell you that it was absolutely boring. Every corner I ran into mobs of players.

So the guild raids aside, it’s not just that the score is meaningless for us, it’s that the random players can’t even have ‘fun’ anywhere in WvW.
I fully understand they aren’t happy and cling to whatever they can to get some fun fights.

4. So while I understand both the solo running guilds, as the frustrated randoms: could we all stop the chat abuse a bit please?
Taking it out on each other is not going to help anything…

Well, you should say that on the map/team chat, not here on the forum. A minority of players will come and see this page: the map chat issue should be addressed when it occurs.

Like scootus said, we started of raiding in WSR border for 2+ hours. Got alot of whining people against our guild saying we don’t do kitten for them and are totally useless, then I said kitten this we are leaving this border and move to EB.

Within the next half hour WSR border turned blue.

As a random who usually runs with TEO / WBC with Raidcall when you have the commander flag on I had no problems with you all running unflagged and enjoying private guild raid.

The complaining in chat wasn’t needed. Just shows how much everyone enjoys running with you guys so I would take it as very positive.

I spotted your zerg a few times and tagged along but felt like a gatecrasher and its not the same without Raidcall.

Its a great way to get people to join your guilds though !

Blocker – random – Whiteside Ridge

Fror.2163:

Well, you should say that on the map/team chat, not here on the forum. A minority of players will come and see this page: the map chat issue should be addressed when it occurs.

I said it on map chat. I spoke up every time the complaints started.

Not towards TEO by the way, since I only was around when it happened towards WBC in EB.

I added it here because this is the place for the discussions, and also because you can read it at your own time here.

Kimbald.2697:

Fror.2163:

Well, you should say that on the map/team chat, not here on the forum. A minority of players will come and see this page: the map chat issue should be addressed when it occurs.

I said it on map chat. I spoke up every time the complaints started.

Not towards TEO by the way, since I only was around when it happened towards WBC in EB.

I added it here because this is the place for the discussions, and also because you can read it at your own time here.

Well, don’t worry. I’m not telling you didn’t do it: I wasn’t there so I cannot state anything about it I’m only saying that you will not see much over here in the forum because compared to the map chat, very few people outside of TEO, WBC and WAR will see it.

Since it’s apparently too hard for 2 servers to NOT blob up like a bunch of ……………….
We’ll do it this way:

WBC is looking for GvGs – Open field, equal numbers, no siege
Message me or Herbaliser in game to set 1 up

15v15-20v20-25v25

Fror.2163:

Kimbald.2697:

Fror.2163:

Well, you should say that on the map/team chat, not here on the forum. A minority of players will come and see this page: the map chat issue should be addressed when it occurs.

I said it on map chat. I spoke up every time the complaints started.

Not towards TEO by the way, since I only was around when it happened towards WBC in EB.

I added it here because this is the place for the discussions, and also because you can read it at your own time here.

Well, don’t worry. I’m not telling you didn’t do it: I wasn’t there so I cannot state anything about it I’m only saying that you will not see much over here in the forum because compared to the map chat, very few people outside of TEO, WBC and WAR will see it.

You’re right of course, not many will see it.
But if they do: here is a more relaxed place to discuss it.

It won’t change much of course, in the mentality of those who made their minds up about ‘the others’.

Best of luck to TEO, WBC or any other guild looking for some decent fights in this mess.

And for the randoms out there: just hang in there and find something, no matter how small.
Get grub raids going if all else fails. Hopefully it will be better next week for us.

And don’t mind the kittenstorm too much, it’s normal that people vent their frustration.

Zeal.1376:

Since it’s apparently too hard for 2 servers to NOT blob up like a bunch of ……………….
We’ll do it this way:

WBC is looking for GvGs – Open field, equal numbers, no siege
Message me or Herbaliser in game to set 1 up

15v15-20v20-25v25

If you guys are also interested in smaller scale fights (5v5, 4v4 etc) or even duels, we might be able to arrange something

I’d really like to duel your charr necro we encountered yesterday while taking your spawntower from FR on their homelands. Granted, condi necro is about a mesmers worst nightmare but he impressed me regardless ^^

Fort Ranik, please train your guys… It took 12 of your guys to kill 4 of us and in the process 7 of yours died, none upleveled.

Hey there warrior whom i dueled earlier from BNF (i think), had to leave ina hurry but illbe up for duels some other time so feel free to add or pm me later if you are still up for them

Also thanks for the duels, was some really good ones!

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The complaining in chat wasn’t needed. Just shows how much everyone enjoys running with you guys so I would take it as very positive.
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Blocker – random – Whiteside Ridge[/quote]

Please don’t think I am having a dig at you Liquidity – I am not. However, you do raise an important point concerning WSR WvW:
We are not a WvW-orientated server. We don’t have large numbers of dedicated guilds / players, and so we don’t have large numbers of experienced commanders. This leads to a degree of disorganisation if the main guilds are are running without commander tags, or are doing something else.

Maybe it is time for someone outside the main WvW guilds to step-up and get a commander tag.
You seem proud to have “random” in your signature; so get all the other experienced WvW “randoms” to recommend a dedicated WvW “random” as a commander you would follow. Tell us who you would follow, and I am sure that the community will chip-in for his tag if he is worth following.

This would give people another tag to follow, and would maybe allow TEO / WBC / etc. to have an occasional guild event without getting slagged-off for not running with tags.

Please Note: This is NOT the opinion of my guild, or of any other WSR player – it is just a suggestion from someone who is trying to make WSR WvW a bit more competetive.

Powazappa.6937:

Hey there warrior whom i dueled earlier from BNF (i think), had to leave ina hurry but illbe up for duels some other time so feel free to add or pm me later if you are still up for them

Also thanks for the duels, was some really good ones!

Are u the blorc?

Kimbald.2697:

As a random, as a small group, you can do almost absolutely nothing at all.
The bigger guilds can at least hope for a decent fight and work on raid tactics.
For all the randoms this week is an absolute waste.

That’s where a lot of the frustration comes from: most players can’t do a single thing in WvW at the moment. So when they see a bigger guild running, they hope they could run along and at least get some action…

I apologise if what I said came across as brash or dismissive of non-WBC/TEO WSR players, many of you are very skilled in your own right and that was not the point I was trying to make.

The problem with open raiding is that we have no control over how geared or good at following commands the players involved are, now we of course do open raid but when we want to be more effective we tend to go down to our own or combined raids.

The reason for this is the rallying system, if we engage in a fight and somebody dies halfway through simply because of poor gear or being unable to properly follow the commands it can cause 10 players to rally, this could mean the difference between winning and losing a fight and is something any organised group wants to avoid as much as possible.

Hopefully this will help explain the reason why we sometimes want to do guild raids as opposed to open raids.

Zumy.6318:

Powazappa.6937:

Hey there warrior whom i dueled earlier from BNF (i think), had to leave ina hurry but illbe up for duels some other time so feel free to add or pm me later if you are still up for them

Also thanks for the duels, was some really good ones!

Are u the blorc?

Hi there mr shadow warrior, yes i am indeed the blorc :P

Nice Fights this Week, at least it’s good training against big Zergs xD Even if the Guys from Whiteside Ridge and We have a hard time keeping something long enough.

It’s Fun Anyway x)

Powazappa.6937:

Zumy.6318:

Powazappa.6937:

Hey there warrior whom i dueled earlier from BNF (i think), had to leave ina hurry but illbe up for duels some other time so feel free to add or pm me later if you are still up for them

Also thanks for the duels, was some really good ones!

Are u the blorc?

Hi there mr shadow warrior, yes i am indeed the blorc :P

Heyyyyy <3!!!

The warrior u mean might be Nilokk. Good Guy and fairplayer.

Who are you IG?

Cheers!

Darfod.9375:

Didn’t mean to come across as proud of this. I changed my signature
I just wanted to highlight my situation. But I agree with all your comments otherwise.

For me WvW is more enjoyable and far better tactically when listening on Raid call.
Add in experienced Commanders from TEO/WBC/WAR and you get an improvement multiplier.
Add in “random” or basically new commanders also using Raidcall is the same.

Fundamentally we need more commanders, more followers, working together, all on shared comms (Raidcall) for the step change we want to see.

I am still learning. I am patient and hopeful.

Blocker – currently random – Whiteside Ridge

Thx BNF & Zumy or some fun group fights & duels.

Offer for GvG still stands. Or you big guilds can only retal blob and brag?

Ty too. Very strong evade build. Imma test your bufffood :P. I learned a lot.

Cheers!

Ok started of a raid tonight in EB, FR you didn’t gave us fights except for about 5 arrows carts and ballis on your supp camp umber. So yeah we went to your T3 SM which you obviously couldn’t defend anymore as the supps were dry.

Had alot of fun getting the loot and you kept coming back, thanks for the raid

Something that confused me about this match-up is the numbers.
Sure, we said that this week we cannot do anything to points this week due to the HUGE 80+ blobs from FR and DZ but we’ll give them hell in fights. Now heres the thing.. During raids WBC go hunting for fights, but when we go to FR side and find a fairly big amount of players they seem to just retreat into their towers/ keeps to the siege..
This has ruined this week for me tbh.. If you have the numbers, please learn how to fight. Not much fun for us if you’re constantly running from fair ones.

Thanks for the fun and a nice amount of loot!
~Mute

FR side and find a fairly big amount of players they seem to just retreat into their towers/ keeps to the siege..

We were 2 DZ vs 10 FR the other day, trolling a bit around…what did they do? Retreat in their tower and start building ballistas…

80+ blob from FR, nice to know I never saw that on FR (max was 60+ in EB prime time with hard matchup), we usually play on 30-40 format per zerg and 50 when against huge blob. Btw, preventing our 10 men crew to take your hills a few hours ago (yes 10 men maybe 15 but no more) is something you can do instead of trying to fight people at FR and complaining about us on forums.
Because seriously, you want fight for fun, why not, but at least take the fights we give you. I don’t see the point of running on EB and getting smashed by “80+ blob” while a 10+ group is taking hills and sunnyhills with nearly no resistance (just 2 guys against us).
FYI, some guilds are planning to leave FR for AR/SFR because they want good fights (i’m not kidding and they don’t have 60+ roster), think about it twice before generalizing what you (as guilds) see in pug. I’m not saying that we are fearless (and I miss when we were) nor good (many among us agree on that) but even as a pu of FR i feel (as far as i’m playing) your pu bad about zerg tactics and siege.
I understand your frustration to fight clueless people on small scale but understand our to fight clueless people on larger scale.

Some extracts from FR forums (translated by me):
“Quantity over quality , they have a mentality : " Doesn’t work at 30 against fewer, let’s try at 50" "
" [We are bad] … not surprisingly 130k+ headstart , boring matchup and this pve event is not going to improve this"

A bit late but still. Thanks for the nice fights at mill. Sadly can’t play very much this week due work. But maybe we see each other again in some future matchup.

Regarding People running back into Towers etc…. every Server has them. There really is no point in complaining at the Forum about it. It can be hard to understand why it happens sometimes but it really is not worth to post about in my opinion. Maybe some Servers are worse then others in that aspect but it comes more down to random luck whom you meet.

Otherwise in the limited gametime i had, i thought that Ranik provided good fights for small Groups. They always got reinforcements very fast and you would be zerged to death at some point but until then it was fun ^^. Better then having to search for enemies for hours.
Though i still found it funny how 15-20 People chased me and baka from bay till Duel Mill for quite a while, i think about 15 minutes, guess it was boring for them :p.

Its been a strange week with this match up, the points totals are pretty much where I (probably everyone ) thought they would be. Its been interesting to see the numbers being fielded by FR, until last week I thought DZ had large groups know I know better
Last night sums it up for many of us, we had 2 guild groups, WBC and TEO, and the pugs on a badged commander. DZ seemed more willing to have open field battles and a few went either way but FR, even though they had the largest groups seemed reluctant to fight in the field unless it was under arrow cart protection.
I hope before reset tomorrow we can get some more even fights from FR, they have some good players and it may be a while before we meet again.

Unfair match-up but got so much fun in small scale battles during the whole week.
Both DZ and WSR showed some great fighting spirit despite the numbers. I enjoyed it, thanks a lot.

boring match-up the last two weeks. hope the next is better balanced.