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Good luck everyone!

Good luck and have fun.

hi jdkL how u doing

Good luck & have fun everyone! Here`s still hope to enjoy some high quality roaming action.

Best regards

well .. at least vizu needed 3 omegas to get our t1 eastern tower on kodash border… comforts me a bit, you wouldnt have gotten it by less effort.

Hello everybody i have a question, perhaps Troma, Kingface or somebody else could answer that for me.

First how it is possible to have such a coverage as an national tagged Server?
I mean i doubt that you have a lot of NA, or Rest of the World players.
There are 3 other FR Servers so its not like BB with their nightshift, still you bring the menpower.
I know germans are to stubborn to bring one big Server up so the fight more each other, most of the time senseless;-)
If its all about organization you have my fully respect for doing such an amazing job, even if it is very very frustrating for us.

I mean we did for about 3 or 4 Weeks nightshifts of 60-80 people, scouted every possible enemy movement, that rised us up to the ranking but people got so exhausted that most of them stopped playing GW2 or made a big break.
How you get your People so motivated to keep it up?
In the terms of PPT you are unbeatable, even if you get farmed every day on open field fights, the next wave of your players are coming again and again;-)
This tenacity is unique among all other Servers…………just crazy^^.
What shall i say, many would blame you for your playstyle as they did it in the past but i am just baffled how you do you manage this kind of stuff.
On another note how you manage your queues?
I am impressed of your comeback even if it destroys our PPT-player mentally;-)

Greets Myrmi

I guess you can call that the dedication, before the organisation.

The huge CTA made especially for the league brought a lot of queue tho. But, well, even if we can’t play as much as before the league, we are happy to see the server wins.

It’s a choice to make. And we made it.

I’d be interested in an educated guess about how many people from other time zones Vizunah has. I am just curious how you reach this amount of coverage.

And you will be surprised to see we have not many people on other time zones.

Our secret ? We do have lots of insomniacs, sponsored by Nespresso (lol)

For example, I stop playing around 3am.

To be honest, you don’t need to get huge amounts of people during the night. You just need to be organized. Most of the time BL maps aren’t full the night, even EB.

On another note how you manage your queues?

We just pray to get in lol. But yeah, a lot of people working, can’t play during the prime-time.

Sometimes raids guilds can’t get in, but we manage to play with the pick-up and all

Hello Myrmi

It’s difficult to respond without giving impression it’s propaganda, but i will do it anyway. The work i do, we do, since the launch in august, is the result of what you see know.

In the beginning, when i imaginated and created Grand Cross alliance with founders-guilds, i had already a clear vision of things:

In reject of the elitism based guilds i went (like ZOMBIES guild on Stormscale for wow) while i got older, i wanted to make things for every people: casuals, beginners, no matter their experience or free time. I was sure it could be important for a server, as i heard about daoc and server pride. Also, i was fed up with foreign taunts online on french white flag, cowards, and in the other side i was fed up with childish french people being arrogant. I wanted something else.

gradually, seeing people was nice and invested, i wanted to push what i call the “Vizunah Spirit”: never surrender, play for the server, act as a family, brother in arms. We faced many dangers, many strong servs like Blacktide, SFR, etc. We did stand our ground. Our will did NOT break, because our morale was very high. By living all this experience together, united like in sport (rugby for example) or some irl armys, we created links.

We have few foreigners, very little number. But our organization, created by ourselves or inspired by others (the massive defense/multimap golem attack from Elona for example) is strong too. gdocs, speeches, fanatic commanders, great scouts, dolyak escorters, ruin roamers, all this work like an ant society. There is also drama solvers (what i did for the server for 1 year but too much to handle) and diplomatic people.

Then, for the league i created http://www.appelauxarmes.fr, to bring people back for the league and do a massive morale boost. 10000 visitors after, and having feedback from many “frenezy mode” people, i’m sure it had a big role on our actual for coverage. The insults, taunts and arrogance for months from some SFR made our will stronger again and we wanted to make them pay on week one. Pay not in forum but by our actions.

That’s why we do not even whine for the queues: we know our brothers and sisters are fighting the enemy while we wait. I know this experience will not exist forever, so i try to do my best while i can do.

We are the Vizunah brotherhood. We will never surrender.

@ Vizunah
If it is true , what tells us Troma.3250 , we have to congratulate. Especially if it is a democratic organization and no military dictatorship of the powerful?

How do you deal with players or guilds that do not obey or do not want to learn from experienced players. How to deal with laziness or selfishness … do you have a tight, strict organization with sanctions?

On many German servers it seems that good and successful commanders and players retire after a while. Once success is there on a WvW-Server, then comes a lot of unsuspecting audience and wants rewards without having to get involved. Even some strong guilds sometimes do not want to cooperate, maybe because they don’t like to be exploited by leechers. Some of these guilds say that the score for the server is meaningless. They just want good battles and don’t cooperate with public-commanders.

On the other hand some succeeding commanders got masses of people (many from PvE-areas) for hours doing karmatrain-events over night – but this can frustrate ‘serious’ players while possessions and defense get lost. While karmatrain, people could get used to reduced quality and they refuse ambitious tactics later.

As commander many wishes remain unanswered by players then. Boredom and lack of enthusiasm spreads out like a contagious disease. There is little commitment and willingness for special services , no answers to questions. It is as if one would have to start from beginning every week. Knowledge and skills on tactics fall back and remain at a low level, lower than one year ago.

I think that a large part of the German players is not (yet?) willing to submit to a tough strategic organization. (Because they hate to do 15 minutes ‘work’ for others?) Many do what they want and say they play for their fun and not for the server. So: Our ‘real enemy’ is not Vizunah or another good WvW-Server – but it’s egoism and arrogance. It’s lack of communication, cooperation, faith and community. It seems that we don’t have the critical mass of reasonable adult people for that strong united organization. But you on Vizunah may have solved it – especially with Troma as a skillful mediator – and have overridden that stadium, congratulation.

Regards Boa

Yes, all this is the true story

No dictatorship, no sanctions, no insults, no humiliations, never. The only little sanctions are for idiot/drunk/arrogant people on TS sometimes, but it occur 2-3 times in months, very rare. Sometimes when there is uncool things, i write a post on Grand Cross portal, say what i deeply think, and what we could do better. I listen all people everytime to correct problems too.

People who do not want to obey does not exist: they do not obey at anything because i/we never forced them. It’s based on the voluntarism, as i explained in the post before. There is a real altruism between the majority of us, and when sometimes there is problem people (insulting on map or doing kitten for pleasure) we try to focus on constructive things and help others. Sounds like an utopia i know, it won’t last forever, but i will remember it all my life !

I think it’s also a matter of the perspective.

You can look and write about the bad things as Boa (and a lot germans in general) did and complain that it is not perfect. But in the end it only leads to all people look at the bad side and altruistic people feel bad and loose fun. And the egoistic people feel good, as the world is as bad as they always thought, and any non-egoistic behavior is just stupid, given that the world is so bad, as everyone writes.

You can look and write about all the good things as Troma did. On all servers you always will find a lot of them. If all people talk about the good things that happen, the altruistic people feel good and have fun, and the egoistic people feel bad and may even change their behavior

Conclusion: “Always look at the bright side of life” is not only a good joke, but also deep wisdom to actually improve the world as it gives attention to the good things and people want attention.

Big Respect from Riverside for you and the Vizunah people Troma, some people from other Servers especially SFR should consider about their bad Words in the past.

Besides Open Field fights, the Way you play WvW is exactly how it is planned from A-Net, it all depends on Organisation, the ones with the best win, its easy.
I think more Servers would have same coverage as you but are less organized for many reasons.
Sadly only thing they do is blaming you with the Canadians and other stuff.
Yes its true that you are not the best on open Field but at the end of the Week it is meaningless, at least you try even there to get better so what;-)

Sadly too that RS were on a good way before the Leagues, with the Beginning we lost the direction and are struggling right now especially with PPT-Game.

Wish you the best for the Rest of the Season.

Greets Myrmi

btw…………..i would like to fight your Knights Troma, sounds like a hell of fun^^

I’m still curious what the numbers of oversee wvw players really are. There are so many french speaking people in those time zones that I cannot believe that you “have not many people on other time zones”. Would be interesting if you could count nation flags on your teamspeak at 3-4 am. But after all, we will never really know, because anet sadly wont tell us those numbers :/

cubed.2853:

I’m still curious what the numbers of oversee wvw players really are.

There are almost no French speaking people in other timezones.

The number of inhabitants in the caribbean or in polynesia is quite low, and the number of players from those islands is not significant in the grand scheme of things. And if i’m not wrong, people from polynesia play on Augury’s Rock.

Canadians don’t want to have anything to do with us (the competition is much more enjoyable on the US servers and the technical side of things as well).

There may be some people from Maghreb, but their timezone is ours.
We have players from Belgium and Switzerland, but once again, it’s the same timezone.

Nah, really, in all honesty, it’s pure dedication, cooperation and good fun. Just like Troma said : something quite unreal for the French community, who loves to fight internally.

Well there are a lot, just take a look here: http://www.ethnologue.com/language/fra

But you may be right, french seems to be the dominating language in europe. Pretty interessting, did not know about that fact until now : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language

After all it is still a balance/population problem that is ruining the fun for that gamemode for many servers. I hope anet find a solution that work out for everyone.

Leorcyn.1063:

Nah, really, in all honesty, it’s pure dedication, cooperation and good fun. Just like Troma said : something quite unreal for the French community, who loves to fight internally.

I think this is the result of (a) good orga (like your posts suggest) and (b) mostly making first place. I guess if you would always be second or third it would turn around quickly, but then again (a) can help…

Just do me one favor, if you know you are superior. Try to be fair with your victims in the momentum of domination and don’t influence too much who make second and third.

Props to riverside, best blob i have seen atm, they die quickly if they get initiated but oh god, the second you see them, they are already charging at you, we have got really nice fights with you(Hopefully our people didnt leave after the 10+ wipes yesterday on red BL ), but yeah, really the best blob i have seen atm is RS. Good luck to Kodash and Riverside for the remaining days !

Well if you find a random ppl riverside blob you can never be sure what’s in it ^^ It is always a surprise – for both sides ;-)

cubed.2853:

Well there are a lot, just take a look here: http://www.ethnologue.com/language/fra

This website lists 68 million French speakers and assumes there are 53 millon French. Add the Belgians, the Swiss, the Morrocans, the Algerians and the Tunisian and you have 98% of those 68 million in the same timezone.

I think this is the result of (a) good orga (like your posts suggest) and (b) mostly making first place. I guess if you would always be second or third it would turn around quickly, but then again (a) can help…

It’s true that we’ve never been in a failure situation (even tho some can argue that it was failure when SFR was stomping this late summer, or when we called them SFR2.0, or SFR or BT, or FSP …). But it was a long construction and capitalization on the virtuous circle of winning.
I can’t emphasize enough the atmosphere on Vizu in WvW : it’s fun, relaxed, happy, positive, serious, free, organised, friendly, motivating … all of this at the same time.

Just do me one favor, if you know you are superior. Try to be fair with your victims in the momentum of domination and don’t influence too much who make second and third.

No matchup is ever won before it started. We have strategic priorities as long as our rank in the matchup is not guaranteed. In this league, the only time it happened longer than a weekend was against SFR. We needed them in third place.
JS and Barush fought for the second place last week without any intervention from Vizu. You two will do the same. What matters is our first place, we don’t have to decide who comes next.

Leorcyn.1063:

cubed.2853:

Well there are a lot, just take a look here: http://www.ethnologue.com/language/fra

This website lists 68 million French speakers and assumes there are 53 millon French. Add the Belgians, the Swiss, the Morrocans, the Algerians and the Tunisian and you have 98% of those 68 million in the same timezone.

I think this is the result of (a) good orga (like your posts suggest) and (b) mostly making first place. I guess if you would always be second or third it would turn around quickly, but then again (a) can help…

It’s true that we’ve never been in a failure situation (even tho some can argue that it was failure when SFR was stomping this late summer, or when we called them SFR2.0, or SFR or BT, or FSP …). But it was a long construction and capitalization on the virtuous circle of winning.
I can’t emphasize enough the atmosphere on Vizu in WvW : it’s fun, relaxed, happy, positive, serious, free, organised, friendly, motivating … all of this at the same time.

Just do me one favor, if you know you are superior. Try to be fair with your victims in the momentum of domination and don’t influence too much who make second and third.

No matchup is ever won before it started. We have strategic priorities as long as our rank in the matchup is not guaranteed. In this league, the only time it happened longer than a weekend was against SFR. We needed them in third place.
JS and Barush fought for the second place last week without any intervention from Vizu. You two will do the same. What matters is our first place, we don’t have to decide who comes next.

Well there are 7,3 million native french canadiens and 1.3 in america, so your calculation is not quite correct. It is <87%, whats a lot ^^

May I ask what those “strategic priorities” for this matchup were? Riversnake in third place was one of them I guess ? ;-)

cubed.2853:

Well there are 7,3 million native french canadiens and 1.3 in america, so your calculation is not quite correct. It is <87%, whats a lot ^^

May I ask what those “strategic priorities” for this matchup where? Riversnake in third place I guess was one of them? ;-)

As I said, French canadians don’t want to play in Europe

I am not a representative of Grand Cross at all, and not part of the group who decides the strategic priorities, but from what I understand, yes, if the matchup were to be very disputed, Riverside would need to finish third for our best interests.
Now it is kind of irrelevant, so there are no advices in regards to focus coming from Grand Cross.

Well you seem to be indeed very organized and point oriented. Kudos for this!! But I still hate you for omega nightscaping against outmanned… That is so kitten kitten ^^ But I also know, if we could, we would do exactly the same…

Yesterday was the best example for what i said.
DTK was leading home map , we farmed you and the kodash guys dozen times at garrison but at the end after hours of exhausting farming, you finally got it;-)
Hope you enjoyed the fights^^.

Greets Myrmi

yay had about an hour playtime yesterday. thx to [FY] ( or was ist [FJ]? ) for the amusing fights small scale wise

Myrmidone.4362:

Hope you enjoyed the fights^^.

Greets Myrmi

Not really from my point of view since we were a 14man group. We didn’t find an ennemy group that we could fight decently. But then again, we knew why considering this was your garrison under attack.
Cheers

Nice dezoom hack from riverside in bay on kodash map! Destroy 4 weapons close to the wall with an AC wich was behind the gate…

Silverthorn.8576:

Nice dezoom hack from riverside in bay on kodash map! Destroy 4 weapons close to the wall with an AC wich was behind the gate…

No point to blame a whole server just for an individual.

The thing is, it is not an individual. I was on that server and it is induced by reknown commanders and guilds.

Well you cannot even blame an individual from my pov. The problem is on anets side.
The dynamic aspect ratio was a design decision for pve and multiscreen support. The hole engine seems not to be made for wvw at all. For a competitive gamemode it can be very contraproductive, like it is now. It was a big failure to upgrade ac’s range without a fixed aspect ration. But I dont think they will change something soon, because they never ever gave a comment on that. 4k screens will be the common resolution in some years from now, so they have to deal with it sooner or later. you cannot really expect those players to lower their resolution just because the majority does not have it.

Troma.3250:

Yes, all this is the true story

No dictatorship, no sanctions, no insults, no humiliations, never. The only little sanctions are for idiot/drunk/arrogant people on TS sometimes, but it occur 2-3 times in months, very rare. Sometimes when there is uncool things, i write a post on Grand Cross portal, say what i deeply think, and what we could do better. I listen all people everytime to correct problems too.

People who do not want to obey does not exist: they do not obey at anything because i/we never forced them. It’s based on the voluntarism, as i explained in the post before. There is a real altruism between the majority of us, and when sometimes there is problem people (insulting on map or doing kitten for pleasure) we try to focus on constructive things and help others. Sounds like an utopia i know, it won’t last forever, but i will remember it all my life !

I knew there was a reason I liked you
Well done!

olleN.2356:

No point to blame a whole server just for an individual.

I don’t want to blame all the server of Riverside but the guy on the AC leave it when the wall was destroyed and nobody has seen his guild tag.

ohhh isn t that nice to hear. Vizuna are all a big happy family holding hands together. If there s a fair fight to be had we run. If we don t outnumber our enemys 2:1 we call for reinforcements. I can list a lot of good guilds from different Servers. Not sure how many times we had matches against Vizunah but still I cannot list one good guild that impresses me.

Can someone from another Server name me one? Maybe I ll find the tag between the other 70 Vizus one day.

Silverthorn.8576:

Nice dezoom hack from riverside in bay on kodash map! Destroy 4 weapons close to the wall with an AC wich was behind the gate…

no need to call out a server. every server has its black sheeps.

Zumy.6318:

The thing is, it is not an individual. I was on that server and it is induced by reknown commanders and guilds.

nothing new that you bad mouth our server. im glad your not here anymore.

to all the others, great fights!

Thyophelis.8035:

ohhh isn t that nice to hear. Vizuna are all a big happy family holding hands together. If there s a fair fight to be had we run. If we don t outnumber our enemys 2:1 we call for reinforcements. I can list a lot of good guilds from different Servers. Not sure how many times we had matches against Vizunah but still I cannot list one good guild that impresses me.

Can someone from another Server name me one? Maybe I ll find the tag between the other 70 Vizus one day.

You should leave EB sometimes.

Thyophelis.8035:

ohhh isn t that nice to hear. Vizuna are all a big happy family holding hands together. If there s a fair fight to be had we run. If we don t outnumber our enemys 2:1 we call for reinforcements. I can list a lot of good guilds from different Servers. Not sure how many times we had matches against Vizunah but still I cannot list one good guild that impresses me.

Can someone from another Server name me one? Maybe I ll find the tag between the other 70 Vizus one day.

Millenium Old School, they have some of the best roamers I’ve seen

Mos are indeed a nice guild to fight against , but arn’t they also a big guild ? We had some fight’s against +- 35 mos players in our match up : viz / pik / sfr . And back in that time it was hard for us to even have a guild raid :p

@ Thyophelis : to win a wvw matchup , you need coverage and blob. It’s the way anet promote. And if the server want’s to win the league (troma wrote it some where) they have to do these 2 things. Most are against blobbing (i’m 1 of them , only press 111 and even that is sometimes impossible , is not my idee of fun) but you can not win a wvw matchup against blobbers without blobbing yourself.

So want to win match up : blob up , want to win fights play against guild servers.

You make it sound like I have a choice against who we would play… We are a 5 -10 man guild and the most important thing for us is to have Fun and a good fight. We do not play on EB and we will not join the 1 spammers. I don t give a kitten about the score in the end. But if I wanted to be called a number 1 Server, I would start to show some balls. Every day we meet Vizu grps that outnumber us but will not engage. They will retreat on to the bridge or closer to their tower and wait till they get even more. It s not enough that you have 12 vs 8. You wait till you have 20 people and basicly force us to retreat. I agree Vizunah is the most Disciplined and best organised Server that has crossed our path but dmn are you unwilling to have anything close to a challening fight.

Thyophelis.8035:

ohhh isn t that nice to hear. Vizuna are all a big happy family holding hands together. If there s a fair fight to be had we run. If we don t outnumber our enemys 2:1 we call for reinforcements. I can list a lot of good guilds from different Servers. Not sure how many times we had matches against Vizunah but still I cannot list one good guild that impresses me.

Can someone from another Server name me one? Maybe I ll find the tag between the other 70 Vizus one day.

Point is: PPT-Success in WvW is 90% numbers over time, 10% organization – guilds are not part of that equation (and individual skill isn’t either). Furthermore Vizunah is always honest about their goals: They don’t want to have the leetest guilds – they first and foremost want to be #1 on the matchup-list (in contrast to SFR for example who wanted both).
Call me anachronistic, but since the days of DAoC I am actually a fan of a thing called server-pride which seems to shine through a lot of Vizunah posts. Since there are no different factions in this game and at the end of the day most servers are pretty much interchangeable, the number of server-hoppers is not surprising, especially on international servers.
I don’t know the French servers, but the German servers seem to be fueled by an as irrational as grim hatred against each-other (just look at the focus on http://gw2wvw.org/ for this matchup), which seems to restrict the number of Inner-German server-transfers to servers which didn’t have much clashes in the past.

Is VZ fun to play against? Certainly not (especially for small guilds) but I like the fact that Vizunah refrains from posting a lot of “we are the greatest”-stuff as a number of forum-warriors from certain other servers do.

Thyophelis.8035:

You make it sound like I have a choice against who we would play… We are a 5 -10 man guild and the most important thing for us is to have Fun and a good fight. We do not play on EB and we will not join the 1 spammers. I don t give a kitten about the score in the end. But if I wanted to be called a number 1 Server, I would start to show some balls. Every day we meet Vizu grps that outnumber us but will not engage. They will retreat on to the bridge or closer to their tower and wait till they get even more. It s not enough that you have 12 vs 8. You wait till you have 20 people and basicly force us to retreat. I agree Vizunah is the most Disciplined and best organised Server that has crossed our path but dmn are you unwilling to have anything close to a challening fight.

sounds familiar

Viz is GW2 servers renault

I didn’t get the joke

There is nothing to get.

“Low quality trolling since launch
Seafarer’s Rest”

We dont need people from other timezones, we have the RSA !

Kingface.9781:

There is nothing to get.

“Low quality trolling since launch
Seafarer’s Rest”

Renault build/s the Red Bull engine that won Vettel 4 worldchamps in a row, it was a compliment, but I didn’t expect you to understand since you are so negative all the time.

You’re right, it can be that. Good point for you.

Like we can see the things change, the world’s moving forward, I’m becoming negative, you use your brain.

Let’s keep going.

Thx for this week guys, was a pretty fun match up, especially in prime.
Kodash had surprisingly good server wide organisation for PPT and some good night multimap blobing. I, for one didn’t saw you coming with this, gratz.
Riverside, well not so much organisation PPT wise but incredibly tough field fighters.
Props to Scnd, best guild around imo, group tactic and mouvement, individual skill, everything is top notch. Gear well not so tough but i’ve seen some pretty good things from you guys too!
A fair warning to future opponents you may have: if you see one, be carefull, if you see both running in blob, run the hell out of range
Happy karma friday everyone.

romsea.8539:

Props to Scnd, best guild around imo, group tactic and mouvement, individual skill, everything is top notch. Gear well not so tough but i’ve seen some pretty good things from you guys too!

I agree. (kodash here)
I was very impressed with those two guilds, even more so after a week against SFR (their 1000 man zergs will not once shy away from taking a huge detour just to hunt down a single uplvld player).
In that sense Scnd not only demonstrated battlefield ethics, but how effective an organized group can be. Well played.