Guild Wars 2

Since our previous thread got locked, starting a new one. Everyone play nice and save the fighting for the battelfield!

And remember, this is the SF/DH/ET match-up thread! After what happened to the last thread, please let’s reserve this thread for discussion among SF, DH and ET players only. If you’re not involved this match-up, please do not post in this match-up thread. Post in your own match-up thread instead.

Manoa.5897:

Since our previous thread got locked, starting a new one. If you’re not involved this match-up, please do not post in this match-up thread. Post in your own match-up thread instead.

But without HoD’s forum warriors, our forum coverage is too weak to compete with SF ):. NOT FAIR.

To start the thread off on the positive note, I’m enjoying this match. With FC in our previous matchup, we may have beaten the by less than we’re beating SF, but that’s because we never really felt threatened/cared to try. We didn’t stay on our toes cus we were confident (perhaps overly confident). If you get too confident with SF, keeps get taken. You guys keep us on our toes. Good match so far IMO.

Agreed, primtime match-ups are entertaining just as they were with HoD; even ET is trying to throw a wrench into things.

I could really care less about the finisher the server receives at the end of the season considering I already threw some bones to Anet and got a spiffy one from the Gem Store. What I do hope doesn’t come to pass however (and pardon me if this is already been covered) is having the rewards from the season-ending chest tied to server rank. I think that completing the meta achievement to get the key is a sufficient barometer for measurable contribution to your server’s WvW efforts. Sure it could be improved to discourage the pure achievement farmers, but it’s a good start.

not sure what two theives i was just fighting, but you lost to a war with ONE 1h sword

Why do you ANBU guys seem so angry? In a few more days no of this will matter the people who fought each week should be proud and I hope they are having fun. When people get the rewards most pve players who started playing will be happy and stay and get better or feel it was a waste and never come back.

All servers say the same thing they win its all skill they lose its insert reason here.

just wanna say i hope DH and SF enjoyed our naked zerg, i know we did

bokunocarrie.7215:

just wanna say i hope DH and SF enjoyed our naked zerg, i know we did

A massive wave of naked…

im not mad lol. why would i be mad? look at the scoreboard.

Assassin X.8573:

im not mad lol. why would i be mad? look at the scoreboard.

bruh, they said angry. angry and mad are two different words.

There were some awesome, awesome fights tonight in SF BL. BS had a ton of fun fighting both DH and SF. Star = 10 warriors, 10 guards, 1 necro, 1 ele or something. With permanent stability.

I had a great time tonight. Thanks for the loot bags.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

There were some awesome, awesome fights tonight in SF BL. BS had a ton of fun fighting both DH and SF. Star = 10 warriors, 10 guards, 1 necro, 1 ele or something. With permanent stability.

I had a great time tonight. Thanks for the loot bags.

I think we angered that [StaR] zerg, because they rushed through the DH group at Briar Tower to go straight to us almost at our spawn doorstep… Then, they went back to bay and left all the non-StaR to die… Poor SF pugs…

Dreadforce.6980:

Why do you ANBU guys seem so angry? In a few more days no of this will matter the people who fought each week should be proud and I hope they are having fun. When people get the rewards most pve players who started playing will be happy and stay and get better or feel it was a waste and never come back.

All servers say the same thing they win its all skill they lose its insert reason here.

What gives you the impression we’re angry lol? I’m really disappointed in SF for being pretty sore losers, and that’s really annoying considering the amount of effort we put into this. If that annoyance comes across as anger, sorry.

Just get over it and leave all that crap in the last thread with all the other comments bashing SF.

I think DH is doing a really good job against SF.

Met 2 Eredon Terrace Scout Rangers using speedhack in Sorrow’s Furnace Borderlands. Guild tag [Rtw]

neiliam.8614:

Met 2 Eredon Terrace Scout Rangers using speedhack in Sorrow’s Furnace Borderlands. Guild tag [Rtw]

Ranger’s are fast.

Assassin X.8573:

im not mad lol. why would i be mad? look at the scoreboard.

Hello zergling!

Odies.8017:

I think DH is doing a really good job against SF.

MU transferred to DH?

bob.8632:

Odies.8017:

I think DH is doing a really good job against SF.

MU transferred to DH?

No, they are here to get our thread locked again stalk SF.

Jeknar.6184:

bob.8632:

Odies.8017:

I think DH is doing a really good job against SF.

MU transferred to DH?

No, they are here to get our thread locked again stalk SF.

Yeah the last time SF was matched with HoD the thread got locked due to the passive-aggressive shenanigans of a certain HoD guild who shall remain nameless as I do not want to risk getting report spamhammered.

Careful, I hear if you say their name three times, they’ll appear again. Let’s not let that happen.

Manoa.5897:

Careful, I hear if you say their name three times, they’ll appear again. Let’s not let that happen.

PAXA

PAXA

PAXA

Manoa.5897:

Careful, I hear if you say their name three times, they’ll appear again. Let’s not let that happen.

And when they show up theres 50% hammer wielding classes with no DPS?

I kid…I kid….

And everyone loves PAXA!

K U T M.4539:

Manoa.5897:

Careful, I hear if you say their name three times, they’ll appear again. Let’s not let that happen.

PAXA

PAXA

PAXA

You monster, what have you done? YOU HAVE DOOMED US ALL

nanananananananana
PAXAAAA
nanananananananana

Oh dear. There goes the neighborhood…

bokunocarrie.7215:

Assassin X.8573:

im not mad lol. why would i be mad? look at the scoreboard.

bruh, they said angry. angry and mad are two different words.

anger is a more intense emotion than feeling of mad. again, if i’n mot mad, why would be angry?

oh, and i’m not your bruh, friend.

bob.8632:

Assassin X.8573:

im not mad lol. why would i be mad? look at the scoreboard.

Hello zergling!

farthest thing from it lol

i only tag up after being relentlessly pm’d by multiple people to do so. i avoid it at all cost because its harder to run ninja-esque ops with more than 10 people.

yesterday was my day off and i enjoyed the battles for bay in dh bl at the beginning of SF prime time. i havent gotten to face the true prime time force SF has this week. but i have gotten to battle with star and cosa at odd times. both star and cosa are formidable, star a little more so, but i guess that can be expected with the turmoil in cosa.

Assassin X.8573:

yesterday was my day off and i enjoyed the battles for bay in dh bl at the beginning of SF prime time. i havent gotten to face the true prime time force SF has this week. but i have gotten to battle with star and cosa at odd times. both star and cosa are formidable, star a little more so, but i guess that can be expected with the turmoil in cosa.

What turmoil? There’s no turmoil. We aren’t nearly as organized or as serious as STAR, it’s comparing a durian to an apple.

Madora.9340:

Assassin X.8573:

yesterday was my day off and i enjoyed the battles for bay in dh bl at the beginning of SF prime time. i havent gotten to face the true prime time force SF has this week. but i have gotten to battle with star and cosa at odd times. both star and cosa are formidable, star a little more so, but i guess that can be expected with the turmoil in cosa.

What turmoil? There’s no turmoil. We aren’t nearly as organized or as serious as STAR, it’s comparing a durian to an apple.

I wonder if he’s talking about the stuff people were saying the bronze league thread.

And last night SF was closer to the SF I remember from the beginning of the league. With their zergs and hammer war/guards…

Star’s ball is very good. BS had multiple skirmishes last night and we had difficulty killing any Star unless we separated them from their ball. The SF pugs tagging along were easy lootbags though.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Star’s ball is very good. BS had multiple skirmishes last night and we had difficulty killing any Star unless we separated them from their ball. The SF pugs tagging along were easy lootbags though.

I liked their 890 damage earthshakers.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Star’s ball is very good. BS had multiple skirmishes last night and we had difficulty killing any Star unless we separated them from their ball. The SF pugs tagging along were easy lootbags though.

SF’s strength was never in smaller battles/skirmishes.

Their mentality is very zerg based and they fight accordingly

Unless they greatly outnumber their opponent – they really aren’t even a thought anymore.

Assassin X.8573:

yesterday was my day off and i enjoyed the battles for bay in dh bl at the beginning of SF prime time. i havent gotten to face the true prime time force SF has this week. but i have gotten to battle with star and cosa at odd times. both star and cosa are formidable, star a little more so, but i guess that can be expected with the turmoil in cosa.

I was on from 7pm PST onward and every group we faced on DH BL outside of your keep literally melted or just simply ran away. Was fun holding bay all night and good job holding garri…I think you guys had to be pushing the siege deployment limit there!

My connection to the game has been horrible this week, so I just threw my guard in there last night in his zerker gear. Figured if i was going to go down lots anyway, I might as well maximize the damage while i was standing. It was fun. The life stepped in and i had to log out again.

Arius.7031:

Dreadforce.6980:

Why do you ANBU guys seem so angry? In a few more days no of this will matter the people who fought each week should be proud and I hope they are having fun. When people get the rewards most pve players who started playing will be happy and stay and get better or feel it was a waste and never come back.

All servers say the same thing they win its all skill they lose its insert reason here.

What gives you the impression we’re angry lol? I’m really disappointed in SF for being pretty sore losers, and that’s really annoying considering the amount of effort we put into this. If that annoyance comes across as anger, sorry.

I don’t see why you think there are sore losers. We only accept our fate as it is. If it were something new for us, then maybe we’d be a bit mad, but the truth is, most of us fully expected to lose this one.

We failed on the recruitment side and versus night cappers, we are at the mercy of the third server slowing them down, it has nothing to do with WvW when we dont even have enough WvW players 75% of the time.

If accepting our fate comes off as being “sore losers” then so be it. It’s not like I dislike DH since the hackers left, I even keep telling Anet to merge our servers! It should really come off as being desperate for coverage more than anything else; we are.

Azreell.1568:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Star’s ball is very good. BS had multiple skirmishes last night and we had difficulty killing any Star unless we separated them from their ball. The SF pugs tagging along were easy lootbags though.

SF’s strength was never in smaller battles/skirmishes.

Their mentality is very zerg based and they fight accordingly

Unless they greatly outnumber their opponent – they really aren’t even a thought anymore.

StaR rarely has more than 20 players on at a time and they rarely trigger orange swords. However, if you fight them 5v5 you will probably win because they are using team builds, they aren’t trying to be solo heroes. We’re losing the solo heroes slowly but surely on SF, which is a great thing, we just need to fix our biggest problem now (coverage) so people can truly see the progress that has been done.

ptitminou.6489:

Arius.7031:

Dreadforce.6980:

Why do you ANBU guys seem so angry? In a few more days no of this will matter the people who fought each week should be proud and I hope they are having fun. When people get the rewards most pve players who started playing will be happy and stay and get better or feel it was a waste and never come back.

All servers say the same thing they win its all skill they lose its insert reason here.

What gives you the impression we’re angry lol? I’m really disappointed in SF for being pretty sore losers, and that’s really annoying considering the amount of effort we put into this. If that annoyance comes across as anger, sorry.

I don’t see why you think there are sore losers. We only accept our fate as it is. If it were something new for us, then maybe we’d be a bit mad, but the truth is, most of us fully expected to lose this one.

We failed on the recruitment side and versus night cappers, we are at the mercy of the third server slowing them down, it has nothing to do with WvW when we dont even have enough WvW players 75% of the time.

If accepting our fate comes off as being “sore losers” then so be it. It’s not like I dislike DH since the hackers left, I even keep telling Anet to merge our servers! It should really come off as being desperate for coverage more than anything else; we are.

I’m not sure I subscribe to that ideal.

Winning and loosing impact people differently.

When people loose hope or take a few hard losses it’s rare to them motivated again. Yet – the opposite side who may be winning see’s an influx of new blood consistently.

I don’t think you need a server merge – I think you possibly should look for someone who can rally your folks together. Your side is simply demoralized – not underpopulated.

BIG difference.

ptitminou.6489:

Azreell.1568:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Star’s ball is very good. BS had multiple skirmishes last night and we had difficulty killing any Star unless we separated them from their ball. The SF pugs tagging along were easy lootbags though.

SF’s strength was never in smaller battles/skirmishes.

Their mentality is very zerg based and they fight accordingly

Unless they greatly outnumber their opponent – they really aren’t even a thought anymore.

StaR rarely has more than 20 players on at a time and they rarely trigger orange swords. However, if you fight them 5v5 you will probably win because they are using team builds, they aren’t trying to be solo heroes. We’re losing the solo heroes slowly but surely on SF, which is a great thing, we just need to fix our biggest problem now (coverage) so people can truly see the progress that has been done.

WvW is dynamic.

You need solo heroes as much as team player’s.

Bronze league is bronze league due to lack of coverage. If ppt and overall score is super important to you, transfer to kitten.

I really encourage everyone to stop looking at ppt and overall score and just HAVE FUN. I like WvW for the pvp aspect. I’d be quite happy with an open field where people had duels or clashed in epic 50v50 battles. If you need objectives and a feeling of accomplishment, take 4-5 people and ninja hills. It doesn’t matter if it isn’t held for a tick because the overall score only indicates coverage.

If the the scoreboard is making you sad/mad/angry/unhappy, you’re taking this game too seriously. Actively tell yourself to play this game for the fun aspects. If WvW is “too hard” this week, it’s fine to go pve or spvp for a bit as long as that is fun for you too.

Azreell.1568:

ptitminou.6489:

Azreell.1568:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Star’s ball is very good. BS had multiple skirmishes last night and we had difficulty killing any Star unless we separated them from their ball. The SF pugs tagging along were easy lootbags though.

SF’s strength was never in smaller battles/skirmishes.

Their mentality is very zerg based and they fight accordingly

Unless they greatly outnumber their opponent – they really aren’t even a thought anymore.

StaR rarely has more than 20 players on at a time and they rarely trigger orange swords. However, if you fight them 5v5 you will probably win because they are using team builds, they aren’t trying to be solo heroes. We’re losing the solo heroes slowly but surely on SF, which is a great thing, we just need to fix our biggest problem now (coverage) so people can truly see the progress that has been done.

WvW is dynamic.

You need solo heroes as much as team player’s.

I agree. Solo heroes are the ones ganking yaks and taking camps all day and that makes a huge difference.

ptitminou.6489:

I don’t see why you think there are sore losers. We only accept our fate as it is. If it were something new for us, then maybe we’d be a bit mad, but the truth is, most of us fully expected to lose this one.

^This

Sure, there was some hope that maybe we’d win this match. But most folks were still pretty realistic about our chances (which became particularly clear at reset). Yes, there’s disappointment that we didn’t make second in the league. But despite that disappointment, most of SF’s WvW regulars are still incredibly pleased with how much we’ve grown since the beginning of the year and our performance in Season 1 considering the cards we were dealt.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Azreell.1568:

ptitminou.6489:

Azreell.1568:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Star’s ball is very good. BS had multiple skirmishes last night and we had difficulty killing any Star unless we separated them from their ball. The SF pugs tagging along were easy lootbags though.

SF’s strength was never in smaller battles/skirmishes.

Their mentality is very zerg based and they fight accordingly

Unless they greatly outnumber their opponent – they really aren’t even a thought anymore.

StaR rarely has more than 20 players on at a time and they rarely trigger orange swords. However, if you fight them 5v5 you will probably win because they are using team builds, they aren’t trying to be solo heroes. We’re losing the solo heroes slowly but surely on SF, which is a great thing, we just need to fix our biggest problem now (coverage) so people can truly see the progress that has been done.

WvW is dynamic.

You need solo heroes as much as team player’s.

I agree. Solo heroes are the ones ganking yaks and taking camps all day and that makes a huge difference.

Indeed. That’s pretty much all I’ve done on my mesmer this week.

Azreell.1568:

ptitminou.6489:

Arius.7031:

Dreadforce.6980:

Why do you ANBU guys seem so angry? In a few more days no of this will matter the people who fought each week should be proud and I hope they are having fun. When people get the rewards most pve players who started playing will be happy and stay and get better or feel it was a waste and never come back.

All servers say the same thing they win its all skill they lose its insert reason here.

What gives you the impression we’re angry lol? I’m really disappointed in SF for being pretty sore losers, and that’s really annoying considering the amount of effort we put into this. If that annoyance comes across as anger, sorry.

I don’t see why you think there are sore losers. We only accept our fate as it is. If it were something new for us, then maybe we’d be a bit mad, but the truth is, most of us fully expected to lose this one.

We failed on the recruitment side and versus night cappers, we are at the mercy of the third server slowing them down, it has nothing to do with WvW when we dont even have enough WvW players 75% of the time.

If accepting our fate comes off as being “sore losers” then so be it. It’s not like I dislike DH since the hackers left, I even keep telling Anet to merge our servers! It should really come off as being desperate for coverage more than anything else; we are.

I’m not sure I subscribe to that ideal.

Winning and loosing impact people differently.

When people loose hope or take a few hard losses it’s rare to them motivated again. Yet – the opposite side who may be winning see’s an influx of new blood consistently.

I don’t think you need a server merge – I think you possibly should look for someone who can rally your folks together. Your side is simply demoralized – not underpopulated.

BIG difference.

You should come on SF and try to rally people in off hours. All that have tried have failed, miserably. No one is interested in joining a high pop server that can’t down Tequatl either so recruitment was a disaster. Primetime losing some players might be a moral issue, understandably those that played overtime till 3am for the past weeks are a bit burnt out, but other than those times, it is a numbers issue.

ptitminou.6489:

they aren’t trying to be solo heroes. We’re losing the solo heroes slowly but surely on SF, which is a great thing, we just need to fix our biggest problem now (coverage) so people can truly see the progress that has been done.

Perception isn’t reality. SF has always zerged people, but each week there are actually more small role players (your: solo heroes).

You have to remember balling up in a tanky support build is much easier than stepping out in a small group and getting things done.

You need both to be successful, stop trying to model your server after Tier 1 and instead model it after the more successful Upper Bronze/Lower Silver servers and you might have something.

Trying to get everyone to run PVT/clerics/etc and spam 1 will only make them resent the playstyle. The main thing I personally think SF needs is to use the existing guilds more effectively. You have more players than HoD, but for whatever reason you aren’t getting them into WvW or if you are they aren’t being used (coordinated) effectively.

For one I have not come to grips why the SF bashing goes on. I think we as a server have made improvements over the course of the league and despite the last few tough weeks have had fun trying to compete. I fully believe that we have learned much from our associated bronze level servers and respect their efforts as well.

From my perspective the difference this week has been the efforts of ET. This is not to discount the fantastic coordination, turnout, and effort of DH. Truly this win is yours and is one to be celebrated. I wish I had a screen shot of the end of Monday evening to back this up so take this with the grain of salt I know it will.

Monday on EB I saw our squad fight off Zergs alternating from the DH side and then the ET side. We would stop the threat, and minorly take back a few of the losses before the zerg from the other side would come sweeping down. After a few hours of this action it seemingly becomes obvious. The pressure asserted by ET certainly prevented our ability to focus our attention of whom we consider the the point leader. Monday also closed with ET pushing SF totally off of EB. A review of the map at that stage saw the SF borderlands riddled with color while the ET borderland was mostly untouched. With this kind of effort by ET why are they still behind in the point count. I leave this to speculation. I will say that one snapshot moment in time does not represent the whole.

All that being said, I do believe that you will continue to get effort from SF. I also believe that if we have accepted that we can not obtain a win in this match, then we also have come to accept that there is no other server able to take away our third place victory. This has been a great season with the minor exception of the SF hate that has played out on many of the threads.

Great season HOD and congrats on the Bronze 1st place finish. Also fantastic effort DH on your 2nd place berth. I do not believe this in any way diminishes SF position at winning 3rd place in this league.

bob.8632:

ptitminou.6489:

they aren’t trying to be solo heroes. We’re losing the solo heroes slowly but surely on SF, which is a great thing, we just need to fix our biggest problem now (coverage) so people can truly see the progress that has been done.

Perception isn’t reality. SF has always zerged people, but each week there are actually more small role players (your: solo heroes).

You have to remember balling up in a tanky support build is much easier than stepping out in a small group and getting things done.

You need both to be successful, stop trying to model your server after Tier 1 and instead model it after the more successful Upper Bronze/Lower Silver servers and you might have something.

Trying to get everyone to run PVT/clerics/etc and spam 1 will only make them resent the playstyle. The main thing I personally think SF needs is to use the existing guilds more effectively. You have more players than HoD, but for whatever reason you aren’t getting them into WvW or if you are they aren’t being used (coordinated) effectively.

• It’s not “harder”, its a timegate created by Anet so you can’t switch gear. So you should go with the absolute best gear available for teamplay first, then do w/e. All who have alts get kittened as usual.
• Most people play MMOs for the PvE since even TF2 offers better PvP than GW2.
• The supply system makes solo heroes a thorn in your side, nothing else. Only 1 party is to blame for bad game design though and it is not the players. If it weren’t for that, smaller groups would indeed be worth it.
• There is a 24 hour clock. Judging our population when we have the most online is idiocy. Most of the latino community plays during the same time slot as our primetime which skews your perception (We both all “empty” in Bronze compared to BG or JQ standards)
• Most of the existing guilds on SF refuse to listen. Basically, CoSA, ICE and StaR try to use some kind of strategy and are willing to set up to work with others, but the others just are wildcards, completely randomized play and if we ask them something, they wont do it. Luckily, they are rather small, all except one, so if we do get mergers, they would get tossed aside rather quickly.

lots of delusional ppl mentioning my guild. hmm I guess see you on the field.

Oh you must be the 1 necro I saw in the StaR ball.

ptitminou.6489:

bob.8632:

ptitminou.6489:

they aren’t trying to be solo heroes. We’re losing the solo heroes slowly but surely on SF, which is a great thing, we just need to fix our biggest problem now (coverage) so people can truly see the progress that has been done.

Perception isn’t reality. SF has always zerged people, but each week there are actually more small role players (your: solo heroes).

You have to remember balling up in a tanky support build is much easier than stepping out in a small group and getting things done.

You need both to be successful, stop trying to model your server after Tier 1 and instead model it after the more successful Upper Bronze/Lower Silver servers and you might have something.

Trying to get everyone to run PVT/clerics/etc and spam 1 will only make them resent the playstyle. The main thing I personally think SF needs is to use the existing guilds more effectively. You have more players than HoD, but for whatever reason you aren’t getting them into WvW or if you are they aren’t being used (coordinated) effectively.

• It’s not “harder”, its a timegate created by Anet so you can’t switch gear. So you should go with the absolute best gear available for teamplay first, then do w/e. All who have alts get kittened as usual.
• Most people play MMOs for the PvE since even TF2 offers better PvP than GW2.
• The supply system makes solo heroes a thorn in your side, nothing else. Only 1 party is to blame for bad game design though and it is not the players. If it weren’t for that, smaller groups would indeed be worth it.
• There is a 24 hour clock. Judging our population when we have the most online is idiocy. Most of the latino community plays during the same time slot as our primetime which skews your perception (We both all “empty” in Bronze compared to BG or JQ standards)
• Most of the existing guilds on SF refuse to listen. Basically, CoSA, ICE and StaR try to use some kind of strategy and are willing to set up to work with others, but the others just are wildcards, completely randomized play and if we ask them something, they wont do it. Luckily, they are rather small, all except one, so if we do get mergers, they would get tossed aside rather quickly.

Quite frankly DH has just as many wildcards.

It’s my opinion you guys are just too stuck on the zergs and always have been. You need to embrace the smaller / solo aspect more.

1 guy alone flipping camps and being annoying can make a HUGE impact on the map.

I don’t know how many times during our tower takes and so on – I took a camp in that bl only to cause you to send your mini zerg to try and take it back because I know you will as to split up your force.

It’s not always necessary to send 5-10 people to take 1 camp back especially when we are sieging you.

Things like that are what you need to work on imo.