Guild Wars 2

Vizunah Square – Seafarer’s Rest – Kodash
and
Elona Reach – Desolation – Baruch Bay
and
Piken Square – Jade Sea – Augury Rock

At first sight 3 boring match. 2 of them are already clearly decided and I’ve no doubt that Jade will make the 3rd one clear in the night from Sunday to Monday.

Why do I call it EU 1-3 Super Match if it is so boring?

Because it offers a lot of suspense below the surface!
- Will jade be able to defend it’s 3rd place vs SFR and/or Kodash?
- Will the distance between Vizu and Elona increase or decrease?
- Will SFR stay ahead of Kodash?
- Will Deso stay ahead of Baruch?

The first two questions are match crossing questions, the last 2 of them are in match questions, but both server better do not fight them out in game or they loose both.

Maybe this is more interesting to watch than to play, but if noone plays for it there is nothing to watch

On an week with a lot of a new kind of suspense!

Yeah I’m sure it’s loads of fun for Elona outnumbering the other 2 servers by 5:1 or more on a 24/7 basis. Here’s a secret though: it’s not so fun for the other 2 servers.

It’s not Elona fault if they reached to build a good WvW community. I don’t see why you blame them.

MagnusLL.8473:

Yeah I’m sure it’s loads of fun for Elona outnumbering the other 2 servers by 5:1 or more on a 24/7 basis. Here’s a secret though: it’s not so fun for the other 2 servers.

I am in the forum and not on the battle field to reduce outnumbering, but you better stay in the battlefield and not in the forum, or my decision doesn’t help much

olleN.2356:

It’s not Elona fault if they reached to build a good WvW community. I don’t see why you blame them.

Quote me the sentence where I blamed them, please.

I’m just calling out at the presumed “suspence” by one of the servers who is crushing the other 2 in its matchups. There is no suspence left for servers who know they’ve lost by Saturday morning.
The motives quoted in the original post are dubious, too, if they’re applied at the servers on the losing end. I know I’d much rather have Deso slide further back and finally have a match we can manage, than being paired with another nightcapping monstronsity we cannot possibly match for the 20th week in a row.
The only thing more boring than getting totally outmanned is to totally outman the opponents, but after 4 and a half straight months of getting hopeless matchups, at least one week of winning becomes almost a must.

Dayra.7405:

MagnusLL.8473:

Yeah I’m sure it’s loads of fun for Elona outnumbering the other 2 servers by 5:1 or more on a 24/7 basis. Here’s a secret though: it’s not so fun for the other 2 servers.

I am in the forum and not on the battle field to reduce outnumbering, but you better stay in the battlefield and not in the forum, or my decision doesn’t help much

Already did my job, commanded EB this morning (the only map where we have a decent presence) turning it from the horrid mess it was to the point where we at least can hold our part of the map. But thanks for the thought.

As far as my memory reaches Elona always had LOTS of ppl during weekends, so maybe during week it won’t be so bad. Haven’t been in game today yet though (too much home work) so can’t tell how it looks like, but it’s disappointing to hear “oh we lost” in the 1st day of the match up, come on ppl! There are always ppl on EB and usually on the home bl (Deso), just get organised, follow commander and get it going.

Most of guild raids start at evenings for various reasons (ppl working, resting and so on) but it doesn’t mean we “can’t fight”. Sure we can, it’s all about ppl mentality. Try to be a bit more positive – small team tactics, start from capping camps, killing dolyaks, cause them trouble as much as you can, plant supply traps on gates or in other places where they don’t expect it, even blob them if you want! All these guilds started from nothing right? So how did they worked it out to be where they are now? Think about it.

Just don’t start the week from “we lost” pls.

Sure Elona looks the strongest in numbers, BB also has nice guilds there, but who cares. We’re not supposed to sit and wait for friday are we? Even if it’s just 1 bl where we have some blue color it’s already something! Get there in high spirit, call your friends and guildies and fight!

Actually these first hours we don’t even have enough for 1 BL left, just EB, and when I started this morning we were outmanned even in EB. So, yeah…

Still I agree it’s not an excuse to play sloppily, and I rage when I see people doing that, but “we have already lost” is not being negative, it’ just a realistic assessment of the situation.

But lately Deso fall behind BB, this is something you are still able to change.
(Not by attacking BB, but by fighting Elona better than BB does)

Here comes the twist: Not everyone gives so much kitten about the rating like you do, Dayra. “Who needs competitive matches when you can gain #ratingpoints” is not everyone’s motto. Most people would rather play than watch. I find it hard to believe that lower populated servers who were matched with way more populated servers are actually celebrating on friday that they got beaten pretty hard tho but not so hard that they would loose rating points, so that they’re moving up on the rating and could face even more populated servers.
I just can speak for myself but I would have this suspense rather ingame than “outside” of it. Logging in on friday, seeing that every server could still win is more suspense then logging on friday seeing that you only got beaten by 200k points rather than 300k.

I only play WvW for rating points
I am from Elona.

Yeah the psychology of what is shown in-game.

You only know that you are “beaten” by 200k as the display shows it to you,
but what if the display would look like the other one?

And there would be a new tab like the 3rd?

A player on the winning side have decided to run bets on who is gonna come 2nd or 3rd since they will win anyway and think that this is suspense???

Bad taste. :\

Malediktus.9250:

I only play WvW for rating points
I am from Elona.

Well you probably listen Scooter too

Karahol.9840:

A player on the winning side have decided to run bets on who is gonna come 2nd or 3rd since they will win anyway and think that this is suspense???

Bad taste. :\

If you look at my 2nd screen, you would see, that I do NOT see Elona as the winner of the match, but Baruch. I think we CANNOT win this match, we can only try as hard as possible to reduce our loss. And the most important part: Loose less then Vizu and Jade and in that we currently succeed.

The weekend means nothing Deso held superiority over the first weekend matched with SFR and Kodash once the week started SFR took over and trumped everyone.

It’s early days to predict a victor in any matchup, let’s wait and see what the remainder of the week brings everything could turn on it’s head who knows?

Junkpile.7439:

Malediktus.9250:

I only play WvW for rating points
I am from Elona.

Well you probably listen Scooter too

Ouch, that’s a low blow.

Weekend is over time for a intermediate resumee:
Will jade be able to defend it’s 3rd place vs SFR and/or Kodash?
The still most open question. Night is the only time where Jade get’s more points.
So they are ahead in the morning, fall back over the day and are behind in the evening.

Will the distance between Vizu and Elona increase or decrease?
The devasting Sunday to Monday Night-Shift of Baruch seem to have decided that question in favour of Vizu.

Will SFR stay ahead of Kodash?
At least Kodash came much closer!

Will Deso stay ahead of Baruch?
Does not look like that. Deso fall back to rank 7 now 40pts behind Baruch.

Now we can have 5 exciting days of twiddling our thumbs, since even the artificial “suspense” of inter-matchup “ranking fights” is over.

Gratz, Arenanet.

MagnusLL.8473:

Now we can have 5 exciting days of twiddling our thumbs, since even the artificial “suspense” of inter-matchup “ranking fights” is over.

Gratz, Arenanet.

I would not call it ANets fault that Deso is still overranked. It’s the result of all the manpower leaving you. And with the new system you can adjust (now rank 7) with the old you would hang on rank 6 at least as long as you hang in Tier 1. Probably longer as the old T3 did not wanted to go up, whenever Piken was “in danger” to go up, they reduced playing for the rest of the week. This is no longer possible. If the new system would have come earlier, you would maybe still in better shape.

Dayra.7405:

I would not call it ANets fault that Deso is still overranked.

Deso still being overranked has nothing to do with the systematic failure of WvW happening in every matchup, not just ours.

This is EU 1-3 thread:
About EU-1 I heared several Kodash voices being excizted to play against Vizu for their first time. SFR, hm, they only do what they can do best.
About EU-2 Elona’s weekend domination seem to melt away fast under Baruchs weekday domination, the only thing that seems to be sure now is Elona loose massive ranking points and Deso will drop a rank.
EU-3 Jades night domination is still not really decisive and If I look at the time-aggregation of the match, it looks very balanced 19 hours of the day.

So what do you mean if you say “systematic failure of WvW”?

Dayra.7405:

Vizunah Square – Seafarer’s Rest – Kodash
and
Elona Reach – Desolation – Baruch Bay
and
Piken Square – Jade Sea – Augury Rock

At first sight 3 boring match. 2 of them are already clearly decided and I’ve no doubt that Jade will make the 3rd one clear in the night from Sunday to Monday.

Already clearly decided… Yes…

majos.8503:

Already clearly decided… Yes…

Yeah my fault, I forgot your night-crew (latin-americans?) only play under the week. But I see, it makes perfect sense, under the week the chance for opposition in the night is lower than at the weekend

PS: Only 9% of the Spanish speaking are living in Spain, whereas over 80% are living in America (north, middle, south, caribean) and BB is the only Spanish speaking server …

PPS: I always wondered why there is no Spanish speaking server in the NA, all in all there are much more spanish speaking (>400mio) living in America than there are English speaking (<300mio).

Dayra.7405:

majos.8503:

Already clearly decided… Yes…

Yeah I forgot your middle/south americans only play under the week.

Americans?

Dayra.7405:

Yeah I forgot your middle/south americans only play under the week.

PS: As a European you may never meet them even if they are on your server, But I mean: Americans = the ones that play at 1-6am.

PPS: Only 9% of the Spanish speaking are living in Spain, whereas over 80% are living in America (north, middle, south, caribean) and BB is the only Spanish speaking server …

PPPS: I always wondered why there is no Spanish speaking server in the NA, all in all there are much more spanish speaking (>400mio) living in America than there are English speaking (<300mio).

Looking at the list of countries you posted there, do you really think they’ll be buying a good PC and GW2, when they have basic essentials like food/medicine to worry about? Population of a country =/= the number of GW2 players in that country. Quite a lot of those countries are bordering 3rd world in some parts, with the exception of the US.

We recently moved onto this server, we’re an English speaking guild, and some of our members play way into the night despite being from Europe. Some of the Spanish guilds play late into the morning, I remember when siN were on Piken, they played till about 4am usually despite being based in Spain. Its just the lifestyle, and its why we have a later primetime than other servers.

Also, with the amount of crying that goes on about ping, etc etc, most of the players in SA, NA and Mexico, will be playing on the NA servers. I always believed myself that it was players from NA that were causing the nightcap, but its not at all, we saw it for ourselves when siN came to Piken, and we can give you our PoV now. National servers have very pronounced periods of dominance, with the exception of Vizu. German servers have a very strong 5am-10am morning cap. French servers usually have a moderately strong night/morning cap. Baruch has the strongest nightcap in the ladder probably. Its all because of the national lifestyle that these periods of dominance come about.

Lets have a few more good days in EU T2

Snowstorm.3897:

Looking at the list of countries you posted there, do you really think they’ll be buying a good PC and GW2, when they have basic essentials like food/medicine to worry about?

I think you under estimate the situation in Latin-amerika. Most of them are second world not third. And even if they would be third world, they would have a lot of rich as well. (e.g. Carlos Slim, Mexico, is the richest person in the world according to Forbes)

Anyhow I looked it up: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
Spain has 31,606,233 internet users with 17,590,500 Facebook accounts
South-Amerika has 189,982,457 internet users with 134,629,940 Facebook accounts
Central America has 51,452,595 internet users with 47,035,580 Facebook accounts
The Caribbean 13,480,693 internet users with 6,674,100 Facebook accounts

How many of them play GW2, only ANet may find out

I will say to you, we have some americans yes, but.. this number is really small, so they play almost all on NA servers, we don’t have any american guild here, you rarely hear a “latin accent” on ts, i will say also that about the 95% of Baruch players are from spain.

Is fun to see how Elona is trying to protect his “t1 spot” saying that Baruch have americans, bla bla… If Baruch can face you, is because maybe we are more organizated, maybe we don’t go all full berserker, maybe we have more guilds, maybe we have stronger hours than you.. Not because there are few american players here.

You get more points than elona from 0 and 7am and Elona get’s more points between 7am and 23pm that’s what the game statistics show. http://gw2tracker.net/wvw/stats/live

I would not call getting less points in EU prime-time when all servers have the same manpower on map more organized.

So morning capping is more honorable than night capping?

Ofcourse you’ll have higher intake in primetime when everything is upgraded. As for same manpower in primetime? Yup, that’s why Desolation only fills 1 border and eb at primetime, because they have the same “manpower”. You’re so full of yourself Dayra, it’s unbelievable.

During all day we are almost close on points (u scoring a bit more), night @ 22.00 we start to cap all the maps, until 6am that your zerg cap almost all maps, after that we start on mornings about 10am and we score more than you until our lunch time…

I don’t will post you any stats this is known for anyone who plays this match.

I’ll say also that this website is in beta, and don’t work really good yet, so, yesterday morning we were scoring +400 sometimes and i don’t see it on this graphics.

Dayra.7405:

Snowstorm.3897:

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I think you under estimate the situation in Latin-amerika. Most of them are second world not third. And even if they would be third world, they would have a lot of rich as well. (e.g. Carlos Slim, Mexico, is the richest person in the world according to Forbes)

Anyhow I looked it up: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
Spain has 31,606,233 internet users with 17,590,500 Facebook accounts
South-Amerika has 189,982,457 internet users with 134,629,940 Facebook accounts
Central America has 51,452,595 internet users with 47,035,580 Facebook accounts
The Caribbean 13,480,693 internet users with 6,674,100 Facebook accounts

How many of them play GW2, only ANet may find out

And as usual, forum users only quote 10% of a post they’re quoting ._.

The statistics you are quoting are too vague, to be able to be used in this argument. You neglect to remember that you need a pretty fast internet connection, and a pretty good computer to play GW2, both of which are expensive. Internet users could be phones, tablets, etc, neither of which can play GW2.

I also never said that the countries were third world, I said parts of those countries were third world, which is true. For example, the minimum income in Mexico is 10 times less than in Spain.

I will say it again, in bold this time.

We recently transferred onto this server as an English speaking guild, and the vast majority of the nightcap comes from the lifestyle of the spanish community, not because of south americans.

We regularly hop onto the BB TS, which as you’re aware shows nationality, and its literally always the Spanish national flag besides peoples names. I’ve stayed on there till around 3-4am at times, and its the same deal. So, do you have any evidence whatsoever about it being South Americans? Because we don’t.

Snowstorm.3897:

And as usual, forum users only quote 10% of a post they’re quoting ._.

As usual I quote the part I want a say something about, and I leave the parts out for which I have no opinion. Quoting all – in a big blob- is quite useless, it leaves it totally open what you are referring to. And it was already written, why should it be repeated?

Snowstorm.3897:

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Maybe, if you do not like this rumor, you can try to prove that it is wrong and instead of just saying that you don’t like it

I only said that it is a likely explanation for your night dominance.

Fact is you make the points only when we are sleeping and never when we are there.

Dayra.7405:

Maybe, if you do not like this rumor, you can try to prove that it is wrong and instead of just saying that you don’t like it

Snowstorm.3897:

We regularly hop onto the BB TS, which as you’re aware shows nationality, and its literally always the Spanish national flag besides peoples names. I’ve stayed on there till around 3-4am at times, and its the same deal.

Done Thats as close as you’ll get to proof. When there’s 80-100 guys in the BB TS at 2-3am, and 95-100% of them are Spanish nationals with IP’s in Spain, pretty safe to assume its not overseas players.

Now Dayra will say about that not all players are on your TS :P

@Snowstorm: Do you know the difference between a claim and a prove?

@Atoss: Maybe later when he gave a prove for his claim

@majos: I don’t want anything, you don’t like the rumor, I am happy with it

What do you want? 100 screenshots showing one by one all users on ts to see his flag? Baruch won’t give proves to you, if you want to think that all baruch are americans, ok, think it, all baruch players know where people are from, and actually an international guilds saw it too with his eyes.

Dayra.7405:

@Snowstorm: Do you know the difference between a claim and a prove?

@Atoss: Maybe later when he gave a prove for his claim

@majos: I don’t want anything, you don’t like the rumor, I am happy with it

If u dont believe any of us, instead of waking up at 6am stay late one day and ask every baruch player where he is from. You have no point saying that our nightcapping is because we have players from south america (which we have, but they are so few due to lag issues).

It makes me laugh when u talk about night capping as something bad when elona wakes up every morning at 6am to zerg all our empty maps and have its frontier on t3 for prime time. This is a 24h game, dont make us look like the guys who play unfair and make excuses just because the fact that a t3 server is doing good against you.

Also in the population numbers you write above, you are counting with Brazil which doesnt speak spanish.

MrsDelicious.4120:

You have no point saying that our nightcapping is because we have players from south america

Dayra.7405:

I only said that it is a likely explanation for your night dominance.

MrsDelicious.4120:

Also in the population numbers you write above, you are counting with Brazil which doesnt speak spanish.

In the list of spanish speaking I don’t have Brazil included, in the Internet connections I was to lazy to sort it out. So Brazil 88,494,756 internet users 58,565,700 FB account.
South-Amerika (minus Brazil, but still with Falkland Islands, (French & non-french) Guiana & Surinam) has around 100mio internet users with 70mio Facebook accounts

Dayra.7405:

MrsDelicious.4120:

You have no point saying that our nightcapping is because we have players from south america

Dayra.7405:

I only said that it is a likely explanation for your night dominance.

MrsDelicious.4120:

Also in the population numbers you write above, you are counting with Brazil which doesnt speak spanish.

In the list of spanish speaking I don’t have Brazil included, in the Internet connections I was to lazy to sort it out. So Brazil 88,494,756 internet users 58,565,700 FB account.
South-Amerika (minus Brazil, but still with Falkland Islands, (French & non-french) Guiana & Surinam) has around 100mio internet users with 70mio Facebook accounts

Just wanted to clearify the numbers. Why cant u believe that there is people who play until late at night? I can ask the same question to you, Why do u have people that wake up so early? Same kitten, dont try to make an excuse for being so close in the points.

It is a waste of time posting here but …..

""You get more points than elona from 0 and 7am and Elona get’s more points between 7am and 23pm that’s what the game statistics show. http://gw2tracker.net/wvw/stats/live""
In this site you can see the “average” points per hour. There is included the weekend, where Elona was clearly superior. In Spain we like beer, partys, friends, sun and night weekends.
Elona scores clearly above from 7am to 11am. Also from 13:00 to 15:00 and 19:30 to 22:30. Coincidentally these times coincide with the hours of lunch and dinner in Spain. The rest of the time, removing the night, are balanced and often scoring above Baruch. According to your capture on Sunday we lost 21k points. According to you, Elona get more points for 16 hours, better than Baruch. But the distance is maintained or reduced. Something is not right …. I think my explanation is a bit more successful. There are plenty of screenshots that can prove it, but if you do not like it …..

""Maybe, if you do not like this rumor, you can try to prove that it is wrong and instead of just saying that you don’t like it""
A rumor is just that. A rumor ….
Btw, fyi …. Santa Claus is the parents ……
But if you like the sound, yes. All of us are from Central-America, South-America or The Caribean. There are no Spanish People playing on Baruch.
Justificate yourself and smile. But you can not prove it …

If Desolation had been stronger throughout the day and not just in prime time the week would have been totally different and much more fun. In previous weeks we played them and learned a lot.
For me this week is still a very entertaining with victories and defeats, and Baruch has served to prove to ourselves what we can give in the battlefield. Many intense battles. Sometimes outnumbered and other still higher in number. Very good sieges and some not so good. Very good defenses and some not so good. From all need to learn to improve.

I wish you all the best of luck for future weeks.
A Greeting and Good Hunting

Why don’t you play and eat same time like normal people?

Dayra…from where did you get the idea that in Baruch there are many Americans and that’s why we have such a good nightcapping? Haven’t you paid attention to the economy in Spain? Or how many unamployed people are here in Spain? Or how many teenagers have left school and don’t work or study?

Please, first clarify your ideas before exposing them in public. It’s true that in Baruch there are some (mainly) south-american people, but our nightcapping is so “huge” just because almost 6,5 million people in Spain are unamployed. Therefore, there are maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany youngsters and notsoyoung people that play this game more than 10 hours a day (my case, for example). Because of the lack of work here, most of us keep playing WvW until dawn.

Peace out.

P.D.: btw, i hate the T1 style that Elona and Desolation have e.e.

Oh, and (sorry for the double post)…what do the facebook accounts mean? What does that have to do with playing a Pc game such as Guild Wars? You do know that at least half of those facebook accounts are from people that have never heard of guild wars nor any pc game, right?