Guild Wars 2

Oh good. The update where Scarlet takes all the credit again and is still annoying.

The nightmare for me was within the video itself….the music…

Yeah, that music was so thematically inappropriate for the video it’s ridiculous.

Did you people honestly not think it was not gonna be scarlet i mean we all knew when the patch launched and the teaser pic was up.

So, not to get anyone all excited or anything, but see anyone else familiar in The Nightmares Within main page picture? Look on the right of Scarlet. Now…where have we fought that guy before….

Advent.6193:

Meh. I don’t even hate Scarlet (in fact, she rather cracks me up), but the desire to connect her to all of Tyria’s dirty deeds is starting to offend the crap out of me.
Nothing personal, LS guys … I know you’re probably worked to the bone, what with the timeframe on this stuff, but it’s got to come to a head soon. Either she needs to straight-up annihilate someone we -the players- care about, be revealed as the unwitting stooge of a greater evil, or be removed from the chessboard.
Please, give us something that makes the girl worth paying more attention to. Hell, I don’t even care if she turns out to be possessed somehow by an Elder Dragon (or some other form of Eldritch Abomination) … it’s something that explains her hyper-intellect and ability to get disparate factions of adversaries to work together in concert.
Another suggestion, for future villains (or even heroes in LS installments) is to actually plant their background story in game. Trickle a bit here, a dash there … bam! You’ve
explained the “major” aspects of their personality and motives. A short story on the website doesn’t honestly work, you kind of have to presume most folks aren’t reading
that. Thus the need for direct in-game clarification/exposition.

I agree whole heartily,
I like Scarlet a lot…
BUT The storyline is ridiculous with shoehorning her into every plot for the last several months.

Content is getting weak, story weaker. I am looking to jump ship for many reasons, game longevity, lack of expansion territories, Legendary items are common, lack of RP immersion, and the really bad storyline are wearing thin.

First MMO that looks better, I jumping on it.

NOTE: Not to offend anyone still wanting to play the game, you like what you like after-all, I’m not gonna knock you for it.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Yeah, that music was so thematically inappropriate for the video it’s ridiculous.

Agreed. That music…

I feel like I left Guild Wars 2 and entered Guitar Wars 2.

Just like the intro cinematic for Marjory, it isn’t bad but it just does not fit Guild Wars 2’s aesthetics.

The only good side is the possible return of the Molten Berserker. I loved fighting that guy in the dungeon (even more when he got the jetpack which most people hated).

Advent.6193:

Meh. I don’t even hate Scarlet (in fact, she rather cracks me up), but the desire to connect her to all of Tyria’s dirty deeds is starting to offend the crap out of me.

Molten Alliance, Aetherblades, Queen’s Jubilee, and Toxic Alliance is far from “all of Tyria’s dirty deeds.” In just the Living Story alone there’s Ozzy and Eddie Thorn, Tixx/Toxx, the Zephyrites, Motto, and Tequatl which thus far hold no relevance to Scarlet.

While Scarlet is meant to be the main focus, she’s far from connected everything to her.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Advent.6193:

Meh. I don’t even hate Scarlet (in fact, she rather cracks me up), but the desire to connect her to all of Tyria’s dirty deeds is starting to offend the crap out of me.

Molten Alliance, Aetherblades, Queen’s Jubilee, and Toxic Alliance is far from “all of Tyria’s dirty deeds.” In just the Living Story alone there’s Ozzy and Eddie Thorn, Tixx/Toxx, the Zephyrites, Motto, and Tequatl which thus far hold no relevance to Scarlet.

While Scarlet is meant to be the main focus, she’s far from connected everything to her.

Is this going to have to be six degrees from Scarlet?

Ozzy/Eddie, Tixx/Toxx are holidays and hardly dirty deeds. The Zephyrites were plagues by sky pirates who are part of the Aetherblades who are controlled by Scarlet. Motto is Asura and doesn’t have a complete grasp of/ control of his creation. Scarlet was taught in all three colleges of the Asura and apparently saw the eternal alchemy, it would be right up her alley to take control of the SAB and use it against Tyria. Tequatl has grown powerful from reasons unknown following the defeat of Zaitan, which is counter intuitive to expectations, it’s possible that Scarlet could be behind it. It’s even possible that Scarlet is the one who bankrolled Canach and pushed him toward his ridiculous plans to mess up Southsun. It’s even feasible that she’s the reason the Consortium went there at all.

Is this absurd speculation and an obvious attempt to involve Scarlet in things she has no business with? Of course, but so is everything else involving her, so why stop there?

Don’t forget that the Aetherblades make extensive use of hard-light hologram technology, which they stole from SAB / Moto sometime around Dragon Bash when they first appeared. Seems like a pretty solid link to me.

>The arc is about Scarlet.
>People get surprised that she’s involved.

Nothing like 80s power metal to get a dark and scary theme going…

WTF?

Kal Spiro.9745:

Oh good. The update where Scarlet takes all the credit again and is still annoying.

Don’t worry! they promised that the “best parts” of her story are coming up. So we’ll finally find out why she’s supremely annoying.

And guess what?

She’ll still be supremely annoying.

Alukah.2063:

>The arc is about Scarlet.

bingo, you’ve discovered the problem.

Ozzy Osborne’s inside guys.

Xae Isareth.1364:

Ozzy Osborne’s inside guys.

That’s how I felt with that kitten 80’s hair band preview music…

Oh look…..another thread complaining about scarlet,….I get it, you don’t like her, can we just move on. The horse is already glue.

BobbyT.7192:

Oh look…..another thread complaining about scarlet,….I get it, you don’t like her, can we just move on. The horse is already glue.

nobody will move on till they don’t remove or kill scarlet out of the lore…….forever.

ya guy you really think scarlet didn’t have any thing to do with this giant evil tower, its not even surprising

BobbyT.7192:

Oh look…..another thread complaining about scarlet,….I get it, you don’t like her, can we just move on. The horse is already glue.

And that’s why it sticks.

Alukah.2063:

>The arc is about Scarlet.
>People get surprised that she’s involved.

I think it would be easier to swallow if the arc was about Scarlet, her Aetherblades and her clockwork horrors. The arc pseudo includes other factions (dredge, Flame Legion, Nightmare Court and krait) but only on a superficial level. None of those factions have an engaging end-game because they turn out to be working for Scarlet, who doesn’t have a known end-game either (stuff keeps happening and we never find out why). If the story had followed Scarlet for a year and had been building up to something and progressing a linked story month after month it might have been entertaining. Instead it sort of feels like we are on “It’s a Small World (Tyria edition)” the adventure ride, where Scarlet takes us on superficial pit stops through Tyria just for a change of scenery and not because there is depth to any of those stories.

Scarlet’s involvement in the story seems to have come at the cost of the story’s integrity. It feels like we are on Scarlet’s Tiki-Tour of evil and not foiling some master plan threatening Tyria.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Is this going to have to be six degrees from Scarlet?

Ozzy/Eddie, Tixx/Toxx are holidays and hardly dirty deeds. The Zephyrites were plagues by sky pirates who are part of the Aetherblades who are controlled by Scarlet. Motto is Asura and doesn’t have a complete grasp of/ control of his creation. Scarlet was taught in all three colleges of the Asura and apparently saw the eternal alchemy, it would be right up her alley to take control of the SAB and use it against Tyria. Tequatl has grown powerful from reasons unknown following the defeat of Zaitan, which is counter intuitive to expectations, it’s possible that Scarlet could be behind it. It’s even possible that Scarlet is the one who bankrolled Canach and pushed him toward his ridiculous plans to mess up Southsun. It’s even feasible that she’s the reason the Consortium went there at all.

Is this absurd speculation and an obvious attempt to involve Scarlet in things she has no business with? Of course, but so is everything else involving her, so why stop there?

The spirits of madmen who killed hundreds in single events each trying to return to Tyria and cause death rather than being forced to play the jester is not a dirty deed?

A golem going haywire and programming toys to kill people isn’t a dirty deed?

Well then, I certainly don’t want to know what must be done to be considered a dirty deed!

The Zephyrites aren’t related to the Aetherblades. What the hell are you talking about man. They’re the legacy-descendants of the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the dwarves in GW1 who protected and worked with Glint.

An interview actually clarified Scarlet’s background. She didn’t pass all three colleges but special courses from all three colleges and she didn’t necessarily see the Eternal Alchemy but was placed in a sensory deprivation device – e.g., she lost all her sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell.

And you trying to put Scarlet behind Tequatl and SAB is just you doing that to try to unreasonably further discredit the storyline than its due. Same goes for you trying to argue Scarlet behind Canach and the Consortium – those are a bit more possible than SAB and Tequatl, especially Tequatl (nothing actually said the Risen would become weaker, just that their numbers would begin to thin – and it’s not like anyone’s defeated an Elder Dragon before to have empiracle evidence for what would happen, so stuff happening “counter intuitive to expectations” is completely and fully realistic to occur).

DaMunky.6302:

Don’t forget that the Aetherblades make extensive use of hard-light hologram technology, which they stole from SAB / Moto sometime around Dragon Bash when they first appeared. Seems like a pretty solid link to me.

Uh… Lionguard, not SAB/Motto – the Dragon Bash holograms were used by the Lionguard before stolen by the Aetherblades. And for the record, Motto wasn’t the originator of that hologram stuff – the Pact was. Specifically Ellie in the personal storyline.

Honestly people, if you’re going to argue the storyline’s all kittened up, then act least learn the god kitten ed story will ya?

I’ll be among the first to say that Scarlet is a bad addition to the story. But kitten man, I don’t go making up a bunch of lies and bringing in mere assumptions and theorycrafting just to make the story sound worse than it is.

I actually like scarlet , but i hate the way the story is presented . Only tidbits of information within the game itself and considering that most achievements are done by zerging just cheapens the whole experience .

BobbyT.7192:

Oh look…..another thread complaining about scarlet,….I get it, you don’t like her, can we just move on. The horse is already glue.

Nope not beaten enough.

There is a lot of interesting discussion going on here. I’m glad I started a realish thread instead of just writing First, cause those don’t fly.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The Zephyrites aren’t related to the Aetherblades. What the hell are you talking about man. They’re the legacy-descendants of the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the dwarves in GW1 who protected and worked with Glint.

Seriously, if you’re going to argue about people learning the story maybe you could too?

Who were the bad guys for the Zephyrites? The Sky Pirates. Who makes up the Aetherblades? The Sky Pirates augmented with Inquest technology. That is how the Zephyrite arc is connected to Scarlet. She took the Sky Pirates and hooked them up with better gear to make a more dangerous organization.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Seriously, if you’re going to argue about people learning the story maybe you could too?

Who were the bad guys for the Zephyrites? The Sky Pirates. Who makes up the Aetherblades? The Sky Pirates augmented with Inquest technology. That is how the Zephyrite arc is connected to Scarlet. She took the Sky Pirates and hooked them up with better gear to make a more dangerous organization.

Wait what? From what I remember the Sky Pirates and the Aetherblades have always been the same organization. Remember the Aetherblade Retreat Dungeon? Remember that at the final fight there was some ships that we had to blow up?

Well down below the Zephyr Sanctum there was a couple of this crashed ships, the Aetherblades ships, this guys were a pain even before the Zephyrites even bothered to come to trade.

I would believe that their connection with the Zephyrites comes from wanting to retrieve their treasures from those ships, and well since they are “Pirates” a little plundering from the Zephyrites goods will come in handy.

I kind of hope that this is some kind of introduction to Mordramoth, but yeah it will probably be some Scarlet crap again. Not even that great of a villain. I mean seriously all these plant themed monsters and events are a almost perfect buildup fir Mordramoth.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The Zephyrites aren’t related to the Aetherblades. What the hell are you talking about man. They’re the legacy-descendants of the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the dwarves in GW1 who protected and worked with Glint.

Seriously, if you’re going to argue about people learning the story maybe you could too?

Who were the bad guys for the Zephyrites? The Sky Pirates. Who makes up the Aetherblades? The Sky Pirates augmented with Inquest technology. That is how the Zephyrite arc is connected to Scarlet. She took the Sky Pirates and hooked them up with better gear to make a more dangerous organization.

Upon re-reading your previous post, I see now that you just worded things very wierd. Or rather, you used the wrong tense.

You said " The Zephyrites were plagues by sky pirates who are part of the Aetherblades who are controlled by Scarlet."

What you meant to say was " The Zephyrites were plagued by sky pirates who are part of the Aetherblades who are controlled by Scarlet."

What you said basically meant “the Zephyrites were part of the Aetherblades” – amazing what one little letter can do. Hence that confusion. And honestly, no, they weren’t plagued by the Aetherblades. There was ONE event where the Aetherblades attacked the Zephyrites. But there was also an event where the krait attacked. There was one instance where there was a downed Aetherblade ship, but it was far from plaguing the Zephyrites and was crashed before the Zephyrites showed up.

Bazaar of the Four Winds had no bad guy.

The Zephyrite arc is connected to the Living Story because of the election, not because of the bad guys as there was no real badguys. Otherwise you’d have to say the bad guys were all dungeon foes, the Jade Maw, all jumping puzzles, etc. There was no enemy focus in the two Zephyrite updates.

To say that the Aetherblades was plaguing the Zephyrites would be like saying that the icebrood are plaguing the High Legions because of their presence in Fireheart Rise (side note: they’re not).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

You said " The Zephyrites were plagues by sky pirates who are part of the Aetherblades who are controlled by Scarlet."

What you meant to say was " The Zephyrites were plagued by sky pirates who are part of the Aetherblades who are controlled by Scarlet."

What you said basically meant “the Zephyrites were part of the Aetherblades” – amazing what one little letter can do. Hence that confusion.

Pretty sure you could have figured out it was a typo since the first one doesn’t actually mean anything, especially what you took it to mean.

Given the tone he had and the other fallacies he made about the story and how he went out of his way to make the entire LS sound like it’s all about Scarlet when it isn’t, not really. Especially since the typo did make sense grammatically. I took that sentence as the same as what he said about Motto and Tequatl which is “it’s tied to Scarlet.”

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Given the tone he had and the other fallacies he made about the story and how he went out of his way to make the entire LS sound like it’s all about Scarlet when it isn’t, not really. Especially since the typo did make sense grammatically. I took that sentence as the same as what he said about Motto and Tequatl which is “it’s tied to Scarlet.”

the strange thing is the Anet developers said that all the LS paths would lead to a point which hasn’t happened yet and I can’t see it happening. I agree with you, it’s very unlikely that all LS paths are connected. And if they are its through 2-3 degrees of separation.

Thobek.1730:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Given the tone he had and the other fallacies he made about the story and how he went out of his way to make the entire LS sound like it’s all about Scarlet when it isn’t, not really. Especially since the typo did make sense grammatically. I took that sentence as the same as what he said about Motto and Tequatl which is “it’s tied to Scarlet.”

the strange thing is the Anet developers said that all the LS paths would lead to a point which hasn’t happened yet and I can’t see it happening. I agree with you, it’s very unlikely that all LS paths are connected. And if they are its through 2-3 degrees of separation.

Which was the whole point of that post I made… funny that.

The Nightmare Within…. is ArenaNet’s failed attempt(s) to advance a storyline…

Shiren.9532:

Scarlet’s involvement in the story seems to have come at the cost of the story’s integrity. It feels like we are on Scarlet’s Tiki-Tour of evil and not foiling some master plan threatening Tyria.

AHahhahahaha…. couldn’t say it better myself indeed…

I agree with several others regarding Scarlet’s character complexity needing more depth, and I also agree that her arc has gone by a bit slow since we’ve been dealing with her directly or indirectly for months with little development in her character complexity, but she has grown on me a little bit now that we’re beginning to see her motive(s)/plan(s).

If they are going to continue to expand the story at a similar pace, then it’d be nice if they had multiple story arcs (i.e., not all connected to one villain) that alternate per living story release. I don’t count SAB. So it doesn’t bother me as much that she’s responsible for the Molten Allience, Aetherblades, etc., just that they’re taking too long to progress with this one arc.

Shew.6827:

but she has grown on me a little bit now that we’re beginning to see her motive(s).

can you explain her motives plz, I’m not 100% clear on them.

Well what do you expect she will be here till we see her die. Would be nice if for once she showed the same brutality and insanity she showed towards her instructor in the living story.

Within seconds of exiting his machine she starts to kill him as she talks down to him about the knowledge she has gained. Why has she yet to show any of that in game torture, killing, and insanity should all be shown not just insanity like it’s now in game. She is a clown at the moment without the other two just dancing and prancing trying to make jokes and seem menacing with empty threats. I’d like her to go on a massacre(Not her army either Scarlet she do it herself as she has the power to teleport which should make it easy) or eliminate a major ally so that we the player can actually hate her for a reason instead of how it’s at the moment not even caring about her actions.

I’d really like to play the content, but I know we aren’t going to finally destroy Scarlet, which makes it feel less like a victory, and more of a Saturday morning cartoon. And to make matters worse, they keep building her up, so when we finally, FINALLY do take her down, the pay off needs to be worth the wait.

And we all know given past experience with her, it’s going to a-ma-zing!

Thobek.1730:

Shew.6827:

but she has grown on me a little bit now that we’re beginning to see her motive(s).

can you explain her motives plz, I’m not 100% clear on them.

I don’t know them, besides what was mentioned in the online story. What I mean is that now that we’re seeing her forces come together, I imagine that we’ll start understanding her a little bit more.