Guild Wars 2

I have been pondering on this alot, and I begin to get alot tired on Scarlet who seems too overpowered and alot scene-stealing. She isn’t so very intresting any more and nearly single patch seems to be about Scarlet. :/ So, I would ask, which patch do you think we will finaly face and kill Scarlet?

What makes you think we will kill her at all?

Well, all of Tyria seems to be mad on her, so either we’ll imprison or kill her in some future patch.

Jorund Thorwalds.9165:

She isn’t so very intresting any more

Scarlet was never interesting… She had the looming promise that she would become interesting at some point in the future… That has come and gone and it was a load of hot air.

Honestly I don’t care about killing her. I just want her to be gone so we can move on to a better story line… “Proxy, don’t you mean ‘hopefully’ better storyline?”. Scarlet set the bar so low I’d be genuinely surprised if they manage to put out something worse…

There are basically three kinds of antagonists.

The really good ones will leave you with mixed feelings. You want to defeat them, you know it’s the right thing to do, but at the same time you can’t help but empathize with them, you can’t help but think maybe they have a point, maybe. In the very best cases you’re even left wondering if they were a villain at all. See, for example, Watchmen SpoilerOzymandias.

The ok ones are generally simple, linear, and just characters you simply dislike and want to defeat. They usually have an egoist and self-absorbed goal that disregards the consequences for others. e.g.: “I want to become more powerful even if that means killing innocent people or destroying their lives”. They’re generally not fantastic, but they serve their purpose in that, at the very least, they’re logical and believable, and you want to kick their kitten so you want to see the story through to the end. If they’re charismatic enough, they might even be enjoyable to watch, potentially memorable.

Then you have the Saturday Morning Cartoon villains. Their actions are usually completely unjustifiable, even by psychopathy standards. They’re not “crazy” or “insane”, they’re stupid. They’re usually intended to be “insane”, but are written by people who don’t know the difference between “insane” and “stupid”, so they become the latter. They have no character or goal other than “be evil”. They’ll go out of their way to kick a puppy just to show you they’re “EVIIIIIIL!!!”. They’ll make plans to “destroy the world!”, even if that wouldn’t benefit them in any way. They have no logic behind their actions, no motivation, no reason to be. They’ll capture the only person that can foil their plans, then spend 10 minutes explaining their “EVIL PLAN!!” before locking them in some contrived death trap that’ll take 25 minutes to kill them, maybe, instead of just shooting them in the face and getting it over with. They’ll repeat the same plan that didn’t work 153 times before once more, because “THIS TIME!!!”. They’re utterly cartoony and unbelievable as characters. They’re uni-dimensional, basic, and completely uninteresting in any way. This is Scarlet.

I don’t hate Scarlet. She’s not even good enough to hate. I hate that she keeps being put in the story in detriment of a more competent/well written antagonist. I don’t care about defeating her. I just want her gone.

Dont think we will ever kill her as she is best villain ever

A dev said something about us killing her in the beginning of next year.

It was in a post about how long the invasions will continue to be here, and I belive the dev said something like this:“The invasions will continue until the end of the year when we defeat her”.

Even if we kill her, others will take the credit somehow (Trahearne/Ellen Kiel/Majorey).

Work on actually trying to clear the Invasion events instead of farming them. Dead Scarlet.

Honestly, she needs more face time. This warp in warp out style she has doesn’t allow us to give a good smacking… Though as a villian it’s the smart way of doing things, don’t expose yourself for the goodie heros to get it.

WereDragon.6083:

Honestly, she needs more face time. This warp in warp out style she has doesn’t allow us to give a good smacking… Though as a villian it’s the smart way of doing things, don’t expose yourself for the goodie heros to get it.

Hopefully, we end up using Doctor Who-style teleportation reversal to take her down.

This cant come soon enough, IMO. I’ll be glad when she’s gone and LS moves on to something more engaging and less comic-book super-villain

OtakuDFifty.2965:

Work on actually trying to clear the Invasion events instead of farming them. Dead Scarlet.

False. Even if you actually complete the Invasion event successfully, she is defeated but simply vanishe / goes away / escapes. Deus ex machina all the time with Scarlet.

Why kill her?

When Anet finally decide to finish all this nonsense, put her in a cage and allow players throw rotten eggs at her.

I suspect that she’ll be killed by one of her own plots going awry – the PC’s will have little (or nothing) to do with it.
I kind of suspect she’s in league with or influenced by the Shatterer and/or Kralkatorrik; he’s going to use a puppet to influence the dredge, charr, nightmare court etc.
And at the end, he’ll kill her.

Let out the Bloody Prince; throw Scarlet in the box!

ProxyDamage.9826:

Jorund Thorwalds.9165:

She isn’t so very intresting any more

Scarlet was never interesting… She had the looming promise that she would become interesting at some point in the future… That has come and gone and it was a load of hot air.

Honestly I don’t care about killing her. I just want her to be gone so we can move on to a better story line… “Proxy, don’t you mean ‘hopefully’ better storyline?”. Scarlet set the bar so low I’d be genuinely surprised if they manage to put out something worse…

There are basically three kinds of antagonists.

The really good ones will leave you with mixed feelings. You want to defeat them, you know it’s the right thing to do, but at the same time you can’t help but empathize with them, you can’t help but think maybe they have a point, maybe. In the very best cases you’re even left wondering if they were a villain at all. See, for example, Watchmen SpoilerOzymandias.

The ok ones are generally simple, linear, and just characters you simply dislike and want to defeat. They usually have an egoist and self-absorbed goal that disregards the consequences for others. e.g.: “I want to become more powerful even if that means killing innocent people or destroying their lives”. They’re generally not fantastic, but they serve their purpose in that, at the very least, they’re logical and believable, and you want to kick their kitten so you want to see the story through to the end. If they’re charismatic enough, they might even be enjoyable to watch, potentially memorable.

Then you have the Saturday Morning Cartoon villains. Their actions are usually completely unjustifiable, even by psychopathy standards. They’re not “crazy” or “insane”, they’re stupid. They’re usually intended to be “insane”, but are written by people who don’t know the difference between “insane” and “stupid”, so they become the latter. They have no character or goal other than “be evil”. They’ll go out of their way to kick a puppy just to show you they’re “EVIIIIIIL!!!”. They’ll make plans to “destroy the world!”, even if that wouldn’t benefit them in any way. They have no logic behind their actions, no motivation, no reason to be. They’ll capture the only person that can foil their plans, then spend 10 minutes explaining their “EVIL PLAN!!” before locking them in some contrived death trap that’ll take 25 minutes to kill them, maybe, instead of just shooting them in the face and getting it over with. They’ll repeat the same plan that didn’t work 153 times before once more, because “THIS TIME!!!”. They’re utterly cartoony and unbelievable as characters. They’re uni-dimensional, basic, and completely uninteresting in any way. This is Scarlet.

I don’t hate Scarlet. She’s not even good enough to hate. I hate that she keeps being put in the story in detriment of a more competent/well written antagonist. I don’t care about defeating her. I just want her gone.

Well, I see that you are affected so much by “heroes vs villains” for kids Any way, you have your reasons. Any way, Scarlet, as I understand, is not really evil or villain. She just disagrees with the blinded world and enjoys tricking them. By that, you get the answer why she bothers explaining her plan and put you to a timed box of death. She just plays with you and mock on your suffering. She enjoys watching you do everything just to get out of the so-called “contrived death trap that’ll take 25 minutes to kill”. Killing the lesser beings is easy and brings no fun. Making them suffer without killing them is more interesting to the villains. I already notice how the players (the real person in front of the computer screen) get upset for getting killed in the Scarlet’s dungeons. That’s how villains play on you

To answer to your notification about why villains do bad things like “destroying the world” knowing that they get no benefit from that; may I ask you a question: why do you eat 3 meals a day knowing that in the end you’ll die any way. Of course you’ll answer that you eat to ease the hunger and satisfy the need of food. Well, villains do bad things for the same reason. They don’t destroy the world for any ultimate goal or benefit, they do that just for fun and satisfy the need to express their evil talents.

I hope my answer is clear enough so that we should stop judging evil or villains as stupid. And ultimately, please show respect and stop treating the author of the game story as stupid. You are playing their game, their story. If they are stupid and you are so smart, why do you play their “stupid” game? And please be informed that you are not the “center of the universe” and you are surely not the most intelligent being in this world.

ProxyDamage.9826:

I don’t hate Scarlet. She’s not even good enough to hate. I hate that she keeps being put in the story in detriment of a more competent/well written antagonist. I don’t care about defeating her. I just want her gone.

You just show how successful Scarlet as an antagonist and in the way she makes you hate her. Villains are not invented to be defeated, they are there for people to wish them to go away

I hope she dont die. I would like to see her as Ceara.

She should have been added in the game earlier as Ceara. I remember how many thought that she might be Kiel… maybe LS would have been better now if she was Kiel.

It would be nice if she help Priory… Do not believe all the Elder Dragons will die the same way as Zhaitan. New scholars should appear cuz Trahearne studied about Orr, his knowledge may be useless elsewhere.

BobbyStein.2315:

daimasei.4091:

Why kill her?

When Anet finally decide to finish all this nonsense, put her in a cage and allow players throw rotten eggs at her.

I smell a mini-game idea.

I imagine a crab toss-que game where scarlet is the succulent crab and players are the karka. >:D all the other living story baddies are the players trying to catch scarlet. As players we just wanna roll them all flat.

Thedenofsin.7340:

Let out the Bloody Prince; throw Scarlet in the box!

Kidnap the Scarlet Claws
Throw her in a box
Bury her for ninety years
Then see if she talks!

“The really good ones will leave you with mixed feelings. You want to defeat them, you know it’s the right thing to do, but at the same time you can’t help but empathize with them, you can’t help but think maybe they have a point, maybe. "

Mursaats…

Marble Daemon.7350:

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You have a lot of different arguments here, and I’m trying to cut down on “breaking posts up a lot”, so, if I forget something point it out.

First, I always hated bad antagonists. Even as a kid, Power Ranger style “villains of eviil!!” annoyed me. They’re simply lazy writing. “Why are you doing this?” “BECAUSE I’M EEEEVIIIIIL!”. Good antagonists (and notice I’m using the word “antagonist” here, not “villain”, a difference I stated in my previous post) make a story. They’re characters you get involved with as well, even if you want them to lose. They add tension and depth. Bad antagonists are the opposite. They’re so utterly unbelievable, so completely cartoony, that they rip you out of the experience, they make the whole story a sad joke.

Have you noticed that that never actually happens anywhere outside of poor writing? Ever? No one is ever “EVIL!!! Becaus of EVIIIIIIIIL!!”. Even Hitler thought he was doing the right thing, and he is often considered the most “evil” person in history. It was never “why are you killing jews?” “BECAUSE I’M EVIL!!!”. He thought he had a good reason. Of course I, and I think most sane and educated people nowadays, disagree. But he still thought he was right in what he was doing. Bad cartoon villains are evil “because of reasons”. Because the writer is too lazy or inept to give them a proper reason and to make them consistent characters, but they still need something to pitch the main character/s against, ergo evil person du jour who is being a tosser because he’s a tosser.

And allow me to predict a counter argument: Oh, but Hitler was a real person! Scarlet is a cartoon from a different race! She’s just crazy! GW2 is not real!

That’s a kittenty “cop-out” excuse. There’s a difference between being “realistic” and being “believable”. A story doesn’t have to be realistic, but it has to be believable – it has to be internally consistent. A good story can have dragons and magic, but if you get to a point where the main character stands face to face with the “incorrigible evil!” that butchered everybody they ever loved and they decide to just have a hug and the story ends “on the power of friendship!” you’re gonna roll your eyes and go “bullkitten”.

And being “crazy” isn’t an excuse either. Insanity may seem “random” to people who never bothered to give it more than a passing glance, but there is no such a thing as “random” in behavior (or, one could argue, anything at all, but that’s a different matter). An “insane” character, to put it in simple terms, can be seen a little like writing about a different species: They may not work by your laws, but they work by some laws which must also be consistent.

You want an example of a really good “insane” antagonist? The Joker, as written by Alan Moore in The Killing Joke (or whenever he’s written properly, really). The Killing Joke spoilersOh the joker does horrible things. He even does an evil little laugh! I wonder who Scarlet is based on... Anyways... Seemingly random acts of cruelty, evil laugh, having fun torturing others... Stupid cartoon villain right? Wrong. See, he's not doing all of that because "he's evil!!". He's making a point. He's a deeply disturbed individual, someone who is deeply emotionally and physically scarred, and he's just trying to prove, to the world and to himself, that he's actually not a freak. He's trying to make a point, no matter how good the person (e.g.: Gordon), all it takes is one bad day. He's trying to prove that the moral distance between himself and someone like Gordon is not that big. He's trying to exculpate himself. In his sick, twisted, mentally damaged way, he's just trying to prove he's normal, and that if it hadn't been for that one thing in his past, he could have been someone good.

See the difference? Why is Scarlet doing this? “Because it’s fun! Because she’s crazy!”. She keeps getting her kitten kicked, her plans keep failing, and she keeps trying it again with no justification. It’s fun to get your kitten kicked, lose resources and accomplish nothing but get a few random people she cares nothing for killed? And what’s with the stupidly convoluted plans? Is she kittened? Am I beating up a handicap? That’s not good… She doesn’t talk like she’s brain damaged, but she acts like it.

Oh, there’s that “origins” style text about her. Well, that is interesting. That has some depth at least… Shame that it is presented completely outside the game, as a “text dump” instead of merged with the narrative, but whatever, it’s there, I’ll give them that!

1/3

…Shame that Scarlet has nothing to do with the in-game Scarlet! Scarlet’s supposed to be this genius inventor, driven sort-of-mad by this experiment, and violently rebelling against her parents because she’s a teenager no-… sorry I mean, rebelling against the mother tree, and general determinism. Fine. Let’s go with that… What does THAT have anything to do with what she has done so far?

Nothing.

Not. A kittening. Thing.

She got the dredge and the flame legion working together and attacking the norn… because… She is racist against Norn…? kitten it, I’ll take “experimenting with their technology and reasons”. Whatever. She did that. Let’s ignore how impractical the whole thing is, and that she’s basically doing the thing she hates and is rebelling against by trying to take control of people’s lives but whatever. Well, that kind failed.

Then… She kills Theo Ashford and released the Aetherblades! Because… Why? If the idea was to cause political chaos or have someone from her side (possibly Mai?) take over for Theo why the full blown invasion? Why the ridiculous scheme? Isn’t she supposed to be a genius? Are you saying this supposedly incredibly intelligent genius could find no better way to kill someone than a full blown invasion? Nothing a little less conspicuous? And she has access to unknown technology, teleporters, and someone on the inside… She’s not a genius she’s an idiot!

Fast forward… Queen’s Jubilee… Why? She was trying to take control of the technology? Then why the kitten would she announce it to everyyyyoneeeee? If you’re trying something like that to use later WHY in god’s name would you let anyone know? Are you trying to give them time to prepare? Why? She clearly didn’t give a kitten about Queen Jenna…. As an attack on anything it was utterly pathetic… Worst case scenario they could just close the pavilion and isolate the issue. She has no stake in human affairs…. She clearly had access to the kittening clockwork things, why not just steal a few and run your tests silently? Even if someone notices the robbery all they know is that it was a robbery. They have no idea what you’re planning. Exactly like the Aetherblades fiasco, she’s showing her hand before she plays it for absolutely no reason whatsoever. And she’s supposed to be intelligent.

Fast forward again – Invasions! Why? What does that have to do with her motivations? Or with anything, actually? kittened if I know! To be fair I don’t think whomever is writing this knows either! What if she successfully took over Dredgehaunt Cliffs or something? Gonna run over to the mother tree and go “Nuhu! SEE MOM! I took over some middle of jackkitten nowhere! YOU WERE WRONG! I’M COOL AND EVILL!!”. Sure makes her look like a villain! Once again, a complete failure for her, including her getting her kitten kicked in a few thousand times, but at least she’s still trying. You know what they say, the 874615th time is the charm! Glad she seems amused. At least someone’s having fun right?

Fast forward! Twilight assault! She knows a secret about Caithe! What is it!? Caithe wouldn’t want anyone to know! What does it matter to her “stop taking control of people’s lives” motivation? kitten all, but it’s totally douchy of her! And that makes her evil! Well, fortunately she seems to think so as well, because she never revealed it either. Just attracted a lot of attention to herself, got another one of her bases destroyed, and accomplished nothing.

…Where does she keep getting resources to do this? And why do people still follow her? Are these people like, the Guild Wars equivalent of WH40k’s Death Company ?

One final fast forward and we’re in our currently plot: The tower of nightmares!

Scarlet got herself another unlikely alliance! Apparently she’s a lonely 40-year old house wife because, by god, she loves match making! Someone should just tell her about e-harmony (or whatever it’s called), she’ll go mental. This time it’s the Krait and the nightmare court… Ok. And what is she doing? She plopped down a tower in the middle of human terrain… Because… of reasons… Seriously, why? She’s manufacturing this poison thing? Then whyyyyyyyyyyyyy would she start random attacks so near to her base? Drawing unnecessary attention to herself again! Scarlet, dear, “don’t kitten where you eat”! Why would you even put a tower there!? There are so many places far less… not outside of your enemy’s doorstep, for once! But whatever! She did that! Because “evil”!

2/3

Obviously, after “genius girl” attracts a lot of attention to herself, AGAIN, because she never kittening learns, we find her tower, run in, and start tearing stuff apart. We eventually come face to face with her, again, and what does she do? She reminds us of all the annoying things she’s done lately (Scarlet, girl, if you go to trial, get a lawyer and keep your mouth shut… seriously…) leaves us alone with the only way she has to control the Krait, even though her entire military base and/or army couldn’t kill us at least 3 times before, and walks out with a “Oh I’ll get you next time Gadget!”. Why? Scarlet, what are you doing? What does anything she’s ever done have to do with her motivation or the character that’s drawn for her in that backstory? Nothing! Literally. kittening. Nothing!

And that’s why she’s a cardboard cut out of a villain. That’s why I hate it everytime she shows up! She’s a children’s cartoon! She’s a disposable Power Ranger villain. She’s inconsistent. She has no depth. All she does is just “being eeeeeeeviiiiil” for “eeeeeeviiiil!!”’s sake.

As to why I eat everyday if I’ll die anyways, because if I don’t I’ll die a lot sooner.

Why does Scarlet do any of the things she does? Nobody kittening knows.

As for:

Marble Daemon.7350:

I hope my answer is clear enough so that we should stop judging evil or villains as stupid. And ultimately, please show respect and stop treating the author of the game story as stupid. You are playing their game, their story. If they are stupid and you are so smart, why do you play their “stupid” game? And please be informed that you are not the “center of the universe” and you are surely not the most intelligent being in this world.

Actually I’m playing a whole team’s game. Based on the story, I’m actually more convinced that the writer’s are being called second to try to justify whatever the rest of the team feels like doing, and not the other way around.

And I’m playing the game because the gameplay is still good. Hell, I said it before, the tower itself is quite well done, despite its flaws. The story is trash. Which is a pity, because a good story would lend some meaning and depth to the gameplay.

Marble Daemon.7350:

You just show how successful Scarlet as an antagonist and in the way she makes you hate her. Villains are not invented to be defeated, they are there for people to wish them to go away

That’s what you’re not understanding. I don’t hate her. She’s a terrible villain in that she’s given me no motivation to see the story through. I want her gone. I don’t care about defeating her, I just don’t want her to show up again. I’ll accept a small note saying “Scarlet died of a heart attack while sleeping. Fin.” or “Scarlet decided she wanted to take up knitting instead.”… Or, kitten it, nothing at all! I don’t care where her story goes so long as she makes like the mother tree and leaves.

…Welp, this was a lot bigger than I expected, but hey! You asked.

3/3

Basically everything Proxy just said. I might have not said it quite the same way but… yeah. Pretty much that.

BobbyStein.2315:

daimasei.4091:

Why kill her?

When Anet finally decide to finish all this nonsense, put her in a cage and allow players throw rotten eggs at her.

I smell a mini-game idea.

Whack-A-Dole® ?

Pretty disappointed with Scarlet’s presence in this living story. Would have been much better if she just stayed away and we got some interesting krait lore/story.
Worse, when she did appear she did nothing. Just her usual “Hi guys! I did all this, I’m awesome, bye now”.

We should have gone in there, hit hard, hit fast, and messed everything up. Jump Scarlet, LITERALLY blow off one of her limbs (an arm or something) and have her retreat in shame and anger. THAT would have been satisfying, THAT would dispel some of her status as this infallible and untouchable Mary Sue. And it would even leave her open to some later development, she could come back with some mechanical arm thing she built to replace her severed limb, and anger/motive to match.

Things like this will be the only way to redeem her as a character. And above all else, she better not turn into some cherished anti-hero, she should die a dog’s death like she deserves.

ProxyDamage.9826:

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There’s a very big difference between the so called evil people in real life and those in fiction stories, it’s called ‘real versus virtual’. Stories are not meant to be real otherwise why would we need to read stories or play games? Just step in the street instead and you will experience evil.

Evil characters in stories, especially in games are there to create fun. And by that meaning, they will not take things seriously like in real life. Otherwise, the game will be rated as violent and too real and attract a smaller range of player.

You have your reason to hate Power Rangers because they were not for you, even though you were a kid. I feel sorry for that because you lost your innocence and silliness so early. Children are so adorable just because of their innocence and unpolluted thoughts though you just rejected that so early.

As for you stated that you don’t hate Scarlet or stupid villains (by any argument you might imagine), you are just lying to yourself. The moment you think that Scarlet should not be there in the first place, that she is so stupid, that her creator is so stupid and you wish her to go away; you just show you hate her. However you remain so ignorant and deny that truth

Anyway, something you should forever admit: we are not the best in the world. Take it or leave it, but don’t hate because you just hurt yourself and others so much just simply by hating them.

Marble Daemon.7350:

ProxyDamage.9826:

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There’s a very big difference between the so called evil people in real life and those in fiction stories, it’s called ‘real versus virtual’.

You clearly didn’t read a single word I wrote… so allow me to pay you in kind!

ProxyDamage well said, very well said.

I like Scarlet. I don’t want to kill her, I just want her drops.

BobbyStein.2315:

daimasei.4091:

Why kill her?

When Anet finally decide to finish all this nonsense, put her in a cage and allow players throw rotten eggs at her.

I smell a mini-game idea.

OMG! Yes please

On a side note: I actually like her (not physically of course, she is ugly as hell) and I love the voice acting.

I just dislike this “I killed Scarlet. I killed Scarlet again. Hey! I killed her again.’ That’s great”
That and the total lack of real interaction with her. I know, I know, technical limitations and all that but still, I just feel like a random NPC around her.

lordkrall.7241:

What makes you think we will kill her at all?

Optimism.

Marble Daemon.7350:

ProxyDamage.9826:

I don’t hate Scarlet. She’s not even good enough to hate. I hate that she keeps being put in the story in detriment of a more competent/well written antagonist. I don’t care about defeating her. I just want her gone.

You just show how successful Scarlet as an antagonist and in the way she makes you hate her. Villains are not invented to be defeated, they are there for people to wish them to go away

There’s a difference between people hating Scarlet because she is boring and wasted story telling time in a game and a world that people enjoy very much and people hating Joffrey from Game of Thrones because he’s so well constructed as a villain you can’t help but hate him and ultimately hunger for his demise. They might look the same (people want both of them to die) but the reasons are not the same (people want hate Scarlet because she’s so poorly written you can’t help but hate that she’s wasting time in the story, people hate Joffrey because he’s so well written you can’t help but hate him and want justice).

Shiren.9532:

Optimism.

Just killing a character off is usually a rather bad way of get rid of them. Especially if they are hated.

daimasei.4091:

Why kill her?

When Anet finally decide to finish all this nonsense, put her in a cage and allow players throw rotten eggs at her.

You know I would enjoy this as a random thing we can do. Change it up by her occasionally throw eggs back at you. Taunt emotes can be used . . . I’d be up for this.

Could actually be a fun minigame once the Scarlet arc is over. Maybe for a future Dragon Bash?

I know: Put her in a cage, we throw eggs at her and then she “escape”.

Then, she gets her revenge and throw fused-aetherized-toxic-eggs at us in some kind of a dodge game.

Then the players should throw eggs at her to knock her down (the knockdown part is important for comical effect) and use wooden plank to beat her.

Of course is just an idea, after all, I’m pretty sure she would enjoy that :P

Killing her would mean no more invasions!

Nah. Just foil her plans, break her, reveal her true masters so they no longer need her as a front and release their control over her, leaving just an empty husk filled with madness, that runs around bullying pirates into submission and invading places.

Scarlet can be killed – to go to the mists or somewhere else, only to return once a year to release havoc in some form. Doing this resolves two issues. The first is we get to “kill” her off as an on-going villain. It also allows the devs to resurrect her at will, to have her minions/supporters/followers/toxic induced fans to work at bringing her back. in some way.

It wouldn’t the first time something like this has happened, four immediately come to mind, the first being Mad King Thorn. He is technically dead, yet comes back once a year. The second is his son, a new addition to the game, also technically dead but now able to come back once in a while. The third is a carry over from GW1 days (I realise the Mad King is a carry over too), that being Palawa Joko, who technically died but came back. The next is Shiro Tagachi, who again, actually died, but makes a comeback.

So, Scarlet might die, or be killed, but she may not stay dead for long.

Ema.4953:

Scarlet can be killed – to go to the mists or somewhere else, only to return once a year to release havoc in some form. Doing this resolves two issues. The first is we get to “kill” her off as an on-going villain. It also allows the devs to resurrect her at will, to have her minions/supporters/followers/toxic induced fans to work at bringing her back. in some way.

It wouldn’t the first time something like this has happened, four immediately come to mind, the first being Mad King Thorn. He is technically dead, yet comes back once a year. The second is his son, a new addition to the game, also technically dead but now able to come back once in a while. The third is a carry over from GW1 days (I realise the Mad King is a carry over too), that being Palawa Joko, who technically died but came back. The next is Shiro Tagachi, who again, actually died, but makes a comeback.

So, Scarlet might die, or be killed, but she may not stay dead for long.

no actually i want her to go away not be able to return now and then, i respect thorn and he has a good backstory nothing they did with scarlet is worth returning or saving at all. so when i think kill i want it for good with no chance of return at all. if they do it your way they might as well keep her around like shes doing

My only problem with Scarlet is whenever we get to her, she just summons a portal and runs away. In that sense, even in the invasions she can just port away which I find really annoying.

BobbyStein.2315:

daimasei.4091:

Why kill her?

When Anet finally decide to finish all this nonsense, put her in a cage and allow players throw rotten eggs at her.

I smell a mini-game idea.

Hoo boy. I can see it now.

Get all the NPCs that players have professed hatred for – Rurik, Adelbern, Kormir, Logan, Trahearne, Kiel, Scarlet, and others I might have missed* – and program them in with realistic reactions according to their personality for being hit in various parts of their anatomy by a rotten egg (or a variety of other unsavory throwables that may be available). Only one that isn’t in there is Jennah… because it’s was actually made by Anise enchanting the next generation of Watchknights.

*Disclaimer: I do not share the hatred for all of these characters, I’m listing them as characters that people have expressed hatred for. Although I will say that even though I like Trahearne, I find the mental image of him saying “this won’t end well” right before being bombarded with a volley of unmentionables hilarious.

Thedenofsin.7340:

Let out the Bloody Prince; throw Scarlet in the box!

Why not put them both in the box together?

Or, better yet, give her to Oswald himself along with an explanation of how she was responsible for Theo’s death, and let him come up with something…

Marble Daemon.7350:

You just show how successful Scarlet as an antagonist and in the way she makes you hate her. Villains are not invented to be defeated, they are there for people to wish them to go away

And here I was thinking I might be able to retire my signature…

rechecks “Show Signature” box

directs Marble Daemon to read said signature

Chris Whiteside acknowledged, in the Living Story Collaborative Development thread, that mistakes have been made with how the Scarlet storyline had been handled so far and pledged not to repeat those mistakes. I’d really like to stop having to beat this dead horse and start looking forward to seeing how the writers have applied those lessons in the future (keeping in mind the four month lag).

Brimstar.9036:

My only problem with Scarlet is whenever we get to her, she just summons a portal and runs away. In that sense, even in the invasions she can just port away which I find really annoying.

I’d be more surprised at a villain with her portal control not using them to escape or for contingencies. Heck, there are a few villains I could name in gaming (story side) who simply cannot be killed because you cannot actually do it thanks to just how many backups they have to get them out of trouble.

By the way, I don’t hate Scarlet as a character, nor her writing. It just is a bit puzzling how this fits together but there is a pattern of sorts emerging. I said it in another post:

Scarlet seems to like taking things apart and reassembling them in different ways to serve her. It’s probably what she has in mind for Tyria once she can figure out just how to go about it.

(Also, she apparently slapped the Nightmare Court around like the useless idiots they are so if they take a back seat to her I’ll be actually grateful. Though I can see Faolain having . . . words . . . about it if she returns to the daylight.)

May be the author wanted to portrait Scarlet as a intriguing character. But up till now, I find her annoying more than anything… and has been dragging tooooooo long.

BobbyStein.2315:

daimasei.4091:

Why kill her?

When Anet finally decide to finish all this nonsense, put her in a cage and allow players throw rotten eggs at her.

I smell a mini-game idea.

Seriously, that is a joke right ?

Btw no tool to post titles or mini games scores on facebook also, if you now what i meant!

Maybe a new Elder Dragon will kill her. ;-)

Bigoak.3270:

Maybe a new Elder Dragon will kill her. ;-)

I wish it would be like this first…Let Rox, Braham and players smack/utterly weaken her face and she ran into elder dragon and BAM!
(Wish players can humilitate her before she met real end. Or maybe just end on players’ hands and suddenly dragon awake etc. Let elder do its job alone is kinda bad idea because many players hate her a lot.)