Guild Wars 2

First of all , I am sorry if this question is already asked although I couldn’t find an answer. I was wondering if the norn ever get involved in relationships with humans. I can definitely see a lot of humans lusting after female norn, but I’m not sure if the norn would ever feel the same way about a human. After all , the norn have no need for humans , they are norn.

But still, might it happen every once in a while? Think of their offspring, too.I’d imagine half-norn-half-humans would be really sexy. (Once they’ve grown up, of course.)

Guild Wars 2 staff at some point mentioned that none of the playable races could cross breed. Although it’s debatable of interspecies romance occurs or not given on how you interpret the sexual freedoms of the sylvari.

That aside, there is in fact conflicting information regarding norn/human relations in GW1’s transition expansion. A Norn seem to imply that she may have Elonian ancestry ( the Norn, Danira, suggests this is the reason for her unusual susceptibility too the cold). This could have been a quest developer fowl up (Small details can be missed during development) or Danira herself was being satirical (Elonians being desert people who prefer hot climates and therefore she was using them to jokingly explain why she was so cold).

I think Danira was probably saying that as a satirical example, similar to how one of the Asura members of the Funwerks Krewe saying he should have been a Norn owing to his love of hot chocolate and a blazing hearth.

But as to the OP’s question, ANet have indeed stated in no uncertain terms that crossbreeding between the different races is impossible. (That said, there’s MAGIC, so anything’s possible with enough Inquest experimentation! :P) However, interracial relationships can and have occured; they just never result in children. There was a quest in GW1 where a Norn proposed marriage to your PC, and you had to do a quest to get them to give up on you. I haven’t seen any in person yet, but I’m told there are occasional mentions of mixed race couples scattered throughout GW2 as well.

They can’t have kids, unless adopting them, but I don’t see why Norn/human relationships wouldn’t exist. Except height, they look the same. They only problem is the Norns physical strength, they sure have to control themselves if they get down with a human.

That said, I wouldn’t mind having a Norn lady, whenever you hug her, you are in marshmallow heaven.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Whenever you hug her, you are in marshmallow heaven.

In more than one way as you’d probably be crushed to death!

Imho norn female characters should be called the tall swedish supermodel race that when in need can pick you up, throw you over her shoulder, and carry you off after a long day of drinkin and fightin and more drinkin to cuddle up in front of a warm fire. And on a serious note I saw a picture that compared norn and human sizes. The shortest female norn is tall as the tallest male human so I think the size issue is nonexistent :P

Darkorox.5784:

I saw a picture that compared norn and human sizes. The shortest female norn is tall as the tallest male human so I think the size issue is nonexistent :P

I wouldn’t say ‘nonexistant’. That’s a case of a human Shaquille O’Neil and a norn Danny Devito. :P

To humans, I imagine Norns are like large, super-stimulus humans, and I could understand the fascination (even if it’s sometimes mixed with apprehension).

Imagine a human noblewoman bringing a Norn male partner to her first big social event post-breakup, then murmuring to her intrigued and somewhat horrified friends that Norns are “So manly…”.

I’m finding it harder to tell what Norns might see in humans, though. Unless the human has a prominent story I’d expect that the Norns in any Norn-Human relationships were probably young or low-status.

Well, human Player Characters eventually get the ultimate pick up line:

“Hey, babe. I kill Elder Dragons.”

I think that trumps shoe size comparison in the Norn outlook.

Dustfinger.9510:

Darkorox.5784:

I saw a picture that compared norn and human sizes. The shortest female norn is tall as the tallest male human so I think the size issue is nonexistent :P

I wouldn’t say ‘nonexistant’. That’s a case of a human Shaquille O’Neil and a norn Danny Devito. :P

Some man like their women short lol

Any relationship other than sexual is fine. The reality is that the cultures are so different when you look into them that anyone remotely adhering to the game lore with their character would almost certainly not let them be in any lasting cross-race relationship. There’s just too many fundamental differences.

Tarn.1374:

Any relationship other than sexual is fine. The reality is that the cultures are so different when you look into them that anyone remotely adhering to the game lore with their character would almost certainly not let them be in any lasting cross-race relationship. There’s just too many fundamental differences.

Sound to me you’re just too prudish to admit it.

I’m sure Norns would boink anyone they found worthy.

And I don’t see why a human couldn’t keep up with a Norn’s lifestyle. Not all Norn are adventurers, heck their society couldn’t function if they were. There are enough Norn who settle down in a homestad.
Now they size of the furniture could be a problem maybe. In a literal sense and a more suggestive one. cough

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Now they size of the furniture could be a problem maybe. In a literal sense and a more suggestive one. cough

DEATH BY SNOO-SNOO!

Oglaf.1074:

DEATH BY SNOO-SNOO!

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9300000/Death-by-Snoo-Snoo-futurama-9351582-288-216.gif
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Oglaf.1074:

Tarn.1374:

Any relationship other than sexual is fine. The reality is that the cultures are so different when you look into them that anyone remotely adhering to the game lore with their character would almost certainly not let them be in any lasting cross-race relationship. There’s just too many fundamental differences.

Sound to me you’re just too prudish to admit it.

I’m sure Norns would boink anyone they found worthy.

I’m sorry that’s not the answer you’re looking for. But, I didn’t write the lore, it is what it is.

I’m mature enough though to deal with it and develop my character with it’s bounds.

No, your interpretation of the lore is what it is.

Norns would boink anyone they found worthy.

probably some where in the middle. In GW1, Norn was trying to hook up woith you heroic character. becvause your a hero. But it would take a special kind of anybody to want to try to keep up with a norn on a regular basis. As A-net said, Norn don’t think like humans. They have their own values.

Exactly. But if they find someone worthy to boink, they’d do it. As I was saying all along.

Agreed. You only got out of it by doing another heroic deed and surpassing the Norns reputation.

Oglaf.1074:

Exactly. But if they find someone worthy to boink, they’d do it. As I was saying all along.

They won’t, not outside their own race. Why is that so hard to understand?

To understand one can’t think like a human, one can’t think like we do in the real world, we must think like a norn. Most people – understandably – approach it from completely the wrong perspective.

Uhm Tarn, how can you know that? Only because Norn think differently than humans doesn’t mean they wouldn’t “boink” a human they liked. In fact, boinking someone not of your species because he is different, seems to be the more human mindset. (there are exceptions to the rule of course).
Anet never ever said that Norn wouldn’t boink humans, they only said they can’t procreate. Huge difference.

And past evidence very much points to them doing that.

How hard is that to get?

I don’t know that, no one does one way or the other or else this thread wouldn’t exist. That’s why one can only go off, a) what’s written in the official GW2 lore, and b) what’s evident in-game. There’s no substantial evidence I know/read/seen to support it, only strong suggestive evidence to counter it. Their cultures are so very different. And if you read back to my original post you’ll see that i never said it was impossible for them to occur, only that it almost certainly would not happen.

Of course, everyone’s free to think whatever they want.

So, if you want to think norn and humans have sexual relationships, you go right ahead. It’s clear some have made up their mind irrespective of what’s evident (or lack there of) out there.

Shrugs

Because there is actual evidence? You apparently never played GW1, but in these two quests, http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Prenuptial_Disagreement_%28female%29 and http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Prenuptial_Disagreement_%28male%29 it’s pretty evident that bith a male and a female Norn want to marry and (included with this) boink our human player character.

In addition to the developers comments on GW1, and what that implied and almost misrepresented, there also been talk about that example in the general lore section, and it has largely been dismissed. If I find the link I’ll show you.

Oglaf.1074:

No, your interpretation of the lore is what it is.

Norns would boink anyone they found worthy.

Agreed to a degree, plus by the time gw2 has come out time “enough” time has passed by for the norn to soften up a bit, As rare as pairings are… they most likely happen. I wont say there “ALL” permanent due to the non-procreation factor but meh.

Norn pirate’s
There a rowdy bunch you expect them to live all kissy face n such? LOL.
Again if your worthy you’ll be noticed.

Tarn is just itching to keep two different types of beings away from each other, we get it Tarn.

Anet Devs changed there minds because they got lazy and said they can not procreate YOU can have your pure norn race ok Tarn? LOLOL – It still wont stop hormones and well known deeds tho :P

In my opinion norn are just big humans. I think that they are at least part of the homogeneous which would account for variations in bone structure. For example : if a neanderthal and human kitten sapiens) can mate , why can’t norn and human too ? If a german shepherd can have little dog babies with a chihuahua , why can’t norn and human have babies too ? I think lore wise it should have been a moral dilemma , not “norn and human cant have babies because ArenaNet said so”

They may look the same, but they aren’t genetically close enough to have fertile offspring. We don’t even know if the two races originate on the same planet. For all we know, Norn could be closer related to the dwarves.

What BuddhaKeks said. We don’t even know if humans are related to Norn at all. What we do know is that they are diffrent enough not to be able to procreate.

On relations, I would guess it’s pretty rare but not as rare as some might think. Norn are incredibly individualistic. They have no set family organization. Norn on the frontier may be looking for a mate so any other race probablt isn’t cut out for Norn frontier life. Norn pirates on the high seas, probably aren’t looking for a mate so anyone who fights and survives great battles with them may be an option to ease bordom and provide companionship until they are killed.

Norn are after all, individuals and they are individuals from a non-standard culture. We have their similarities and values laid out. Everything else is up to that individual. e.g. Family life:

Norn families are not really standardized. Knut’s sons live with him in Hoelbrak where as their mother lives outside the city. Norn might live together or live apart, they might have parent of either gender raising the children at a given time, they just seem to go with whatever the individual parents parents decide.

Norn courtship is pretty much shown in Hearts of the North, they try to compete with each other, possibly even boasting about how awesome their legend is.

http://ashenfold.com/pax-day-2-from-a-roleplayers-eyes/

So here we see generalities that apply accross the board and individual preferance that changes among the individual.

I think someone in the thread just wants to see Logan dump Jennah for Eir Stegalkin.

Norn and Charr romance can exists , so I don’t see how humans and Norns can’t . Bjarni wrote my Charr a letter saying that his female friend had a crush on my Charr character . ( Jackalope Female quest giver . )

The only real reason they couldn’t is the values of each race. They are incredibly diffrent. it would take one extremely hardy, tireless, capable non-norn individual and/or a super lazy Norn who suddenly stops thinking like a norn. (only because though norn can make a name for themselves with peaceful endevors, Anet sais they go from feat to feat which is why they often die before old age.)

the ….physically intimate… challenges can be worked around with a devoted couple but the cultural and psychological diffrences are great. not impossible, but norn never stop chasing their name and that would take a lasting toll on any other race. But short flings are probably the most common of Norn interracial coupling.

Sai.5908:

Norn and Charr romance can exists , so I don’t see how humans and Norns can’t . Bjarni wrote my Charr a letter saying that his female friend had a crush on my Charr character . ( Jackalope Female quest giver . )

That’s a typical Heart Renown quest completion letter. That lady falls for anyone who helps out the spirit of the Rabbit/Hare.

Rhinzual.7861:

I think someone in the thread just wants to see Logan dump Jennah for Eir Stegalkin.

Who wouldn’t dump Jennah for Eir?

Oglaf.1074:

Rhinzual.7861:

I think someone in the thread just wants to see Logan dump Jennah for Eir Stegalkin.

Who wouldn’t dump Jennah for Eir?

Only Logan Thackery, it seems. I mean jeez, look at Jennah and then look at Eir, take some time comparing the two. It’s painfully obvious that Logan’s got messed up priorities.

Tarn.1374:

There’s no substantial evidence I know/read/seen to support it, only strong suggestive evidence to counter it.

I’d genuinely like to see what evidence you have that implicitly counters sexual or romantic relationships between humans and Norn, from a Norn perspective (because there are humans in game who’ve taken interest in Norn, we know that happens), because I’ve never seen anything of the sort. I honestly haven’t seen much substantial evidence of how Norn view sex in general (edit: although I do know there are a couple Norn in Wayfarer Foothills who make skeevy pick-up lines towards any female characters).

I don’t think a blanket statement of “their cultures are different it would never happen” is any sort of solid evidence. Humans in real life, and even in game, come from vastly different cultures as well, and that hasn’t stopped them from forming relationships and having sex with each other. And an individual is not the stereotype of their race, especially in places with a lot of globalization like Lion’s Arch people’s views and behaviors are going to be different from what is expected.

If anything, the free spirited culture of the Norns would encourage such romantic liaisons.

athuria.2751:

(edit: although I do know there are a couple Norn in Wayfarer Foothills who make skeevy pick-up lines towards any female characters).

Now that you mention it, I remember that guy! It’s Lodge Keeper Kevach, at Kevach’s Homestead, and yes, he did put the moves on my female Human and female Sylvari as well while I was there.

I think you guys are overlooking an aspect. It’s possible that Norns may find humans “cute” because they are so much smaller. I seriously doubt every single Norn wants to get hot and happy with the hero type. In fact, some may prefer someone who isn’t larger than life just because it’s different. There’s also the idea that humans are familiar yet exotic and that has its own level of attraction.

“Literally how could you do it? The sheer mechanics of it are mind boggling….”

Speaking strictly as a human, I would Totally ‘romance’ a Norn.

Wreknar.5076:

“Literally how could you do it? The sheer mechanics of it are mind boggling….”

Its just like jumping into a river in GW2.
Look down, estimate, then leap.
It will hurt still. :P

I’ve got 3 toons that will (eventually) be based on that premise. Basically the sire was a large-ish human (now deceased) who met a Norn in the Vigil.

In any case the genes expressed themselves in thier children in the form of a very tall human male Ranger, a shortish, but broad, Norn male guardian and an extremely tall female Norn Engineer. All serve in different orders. My ranger followed his parents into the Vigil.

More to follow as I flesh out the background stories and get back intoRP’ing. (been awhile)

Not happening. Devs said it, no crossbreeding. We can have all the fan-fiction, but it simply doesnt make sense and will never happen.

Norns and humans are 2 completely different species.

Though romances are still possible, no breeding is possible.

Eeshaan.9068:

Not happening. Devs said it, no crossbreeding. We can have all the fan-fiction, but it simply doesnt make sense and will never happen.

Norns and humans are 2 completely different species.

Bah…who cares what the Devs say. In my paid for MMO it works. Besides which, in a more practical sense, its impossible for humanoids sharing a common world to not see some sort of interbreeding by now (in game or in real life).

If neanderthal mated with humans, its far more likely Norns are compatible with humans. Devs not being geneticists and all.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/insidenova/2010/05/did-neanderthals-mate-with-modern-humankittenml

I love how the link was filtered with kitten lol