Guild Wars 2

I really have a problem with the fact that neither one of the Norn shape shift forms can auto attack while moving. This makes it impossible to use any of them in pvp. No one is going to stop movin so you can attack. Seriously I think this iskitten and they should work on this. It makes no seance for them to only attack when standing in one place… This game is so dependent on kite that i am shocked to see this.

Neither one? There are three, not two!

You can’t use racial elites in sPvP, although I can see how it may be a problem in WvW. But honestly hitting 1 whenever you’re in range isn’t too horrible and if you’re going to be using those skills instead of another elite, that’s something you’ll have to deal with.

There are four, actually…

And it is a little disappointing that none of the skills can be used on the move, but Anet seems insistent on making the racial skills as minimally effective as possible so we’re just going to have to live with it I fear.

Racial elites are only to be cool on open world pve, Anet made them inefficient on purpose so that people dont choose races based on skills. My source are various interviews but im not going to search them xd.

Mockingjay.8723:

Neither one? There are three, not two!

You can’t use racial elites in sPvP, although I can see how it may be a problem in WvW. But honestly hitting 1 whenever you’re in range isn’t too horrible and if you’re going to be using those skills instead of another elite, that’s something you’ll have to deal with.

No no, its looks like a problem and if it is, need be solved. We do not need to “deal with” it… It’s not good this way compared to another race’s elite skills.

WvWvW is pvp and its competitive, so it needs at least some balance. I’m not saying all racial will be balanced but make some of them so useless at this point is really bad. Norn could do better turning into a rat and havind boost in speed. LOL
They havent made a “perfect” game, and since the betas so many things have changed but so many thing havent been tested too much. The norn racial elites was one of them.

JGBarbarian.3579:

Racial elites are only to be cool on open world pve, Anet made them inefficient on purpose so that people dont choose races based on skills. My source are various interviews but im not going to search them xd.

If that’s the point, why, for example, hounds of balthazar seems more usefull? lol
I know what you saying but if it’s only to be cool it should be a emotion not a skill, if you compare all inefficient racial skill the norn one is one of the worst. lol
So make the inefficient skill so efficient as the other inefficients.

I actually find it more disappointing that using the norn racial transformation skills hide your animal companion. The transformation elites are the only elites in the game that cause you to be unable to use your pet for the duration of your elite skill’s activation. Not only is not having your pet by your side somewhat annoying…. but often times pet buffs (like master’s bond) get reset when the pet gets put away….. Anyone else think it would be reasonable to allow you to use your pets while transformed?

TheBlackLeech.9360:

I actually find it more disappointing that using the norn racial transformation skills hide your animal companion. The transformation elites are the only elites in the game that cause you to be unable to use your pet for the duration of your elite skill’s activation. Not only is not having your pet by your side somewhat annoying…. but often times pet buffs (like master’s bond) get reset when the pet gets put away….. Anyone else think it would be reasonable to allow you to use your pets while transformed?

Absolutely! It’s really annoying when My pet gets put away, when I turn into a wolf. And then I get knocked all over the place against monsters and players alike. All you can really do is buff allies that might not be there with the howl and the forms over, it’s so useless. Also the #1 isn’t automatically made into an autoattack, so you have to ctrl+m2 it every time you shift into it.

But ultimately the worst thing is you can’t move while doing any of the skills.

Speaking as a Norn Guardian, I can say that Bear form is actually quite useful in WvW. Granted, thats the only Form that I picked up, so I can’t speak for the others, but the fact that you gain a ludicrous amount of health and toughness and gain two hard CC abilities as well as a moderately useful aoe buff to ally damage makes Become the Bear seem more like Become the Tank. Its hard to compete with the rush and fun of there being a stalemate on one of the bridges leading to the supply path, then you shapeshift and go all NFL Linebacker on an entire wave of the enemy team with your 5 skill, which as far as I can tell is uninterrupteable and leaves a wake of knocked down opponents behind you. You flip the poor sap in the back that was trying to heal and hit him for upwards of 2k damage, then turn around to see the entire enemy team panicking and blowing their cooldowns on you. One of them channeling a big ability? Wreck his day with your 2 skill, which leaps a short distance and knocks down/interrupts anything that they’re doing. If you coordinated it well, your team is pushing forward in light of the knockdowns/general chaos that you just caused, and because of your health pool and tankiness you’re still at half health. Swipe any idiots that are dumb enough to not be looking at you and do respectable damage, use your 3 on anyone that your team has immobilized, give a 4 to power up your teammates now that they’ve reached your position, and then shapeshift back into your Norn form and heal/roll to the back-line in case you get downed by poison/bleed so that your teammates can rally you up. There; you’ve used an entire skillbar of your bear form to the greatest potential and were a great credit to your team.
Now, in one on one situations? For sure, the Forms aren’t that useful. But if you generally want to get the skalds’a’singin and the Valkyries’a’swoonin, Bear Down and jump into the fray.

ScourgeMcDough.8071:

then you shapeshift and go all NFL Linebacker on an entire wave of the enemy team with your 5 skill, which as far as I can tell is uninterrupteable and leaves a wake of knocked down opponents behind you. You flip the poor sap in the back that was trying to heal and hit him for upwards of 2k damage,

<3 Skill number 5…. its also perfect for chasing people down who are running away in WvW

I came here to say this exact same thing. The fact that you can’t use any of the skills while moving is horrible not because it reduces the effectiveness of the shapeshifts (which it does) but because it just makes them cumbersome and not fun to use. If every press of “1” is an exercise in frustration, why waste your skill points when they could go towards a mystic or legendary weapon?

Snow Leopard skill is now officially the only form that can attack while running. It is powerful imho because ot this. But I use it in WvW to escape not to do dmg… It really saddens me that snow leopard is the strongest of all the forms since bear is the iconic norn shapeshift form and the bear is the largest predator on land, but I am waiting for a patch…

I actually went with raven form. When I bought it with my precious skill points I thought I was going to transform into a raven and attack my enemies harpy style. Of course that wasn’t the case. I didn’t fly, instead I was lumbering along like a guy in a bird costume. The attacks were okay, but not as good as my normal skill set.

Snow leopard is the only form that can attack while moving. But I agree, I wish all the forms could.