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Posted by: MiloSales.8560

MiloSales.8560

Is it not logical that the actual content be the way to get more baubles instead of repeating the bare minimum?

It’s perfectly Logical (people really need to learn exactly what that word means sigh). If you do the chests you can still do the rest of the levels. It’s not necessary that it be the most efficient way to do so. You can make a Logical argument that it should be, which I really don’t think you’ve come close to doing, but it’s not necessarily logical that Level Exploration = More Baubles. That’s a value judgement and entirely subjective.

By the logic of your argument, I should be able to make as much <resource> by doing a low level zone as a high level zone yet we all know Orr = Money. Queensdale is as much “the content” of GW2 as Orr. That doesn’t mean that doing event chains in Orr isn’t more efficient or that there’s something wrong with that, say, because you like Queensdale more and want other people to play there too. Or, for an even more accurate comparison: I don’t get more <resources> from going through each POI, Vista, SP and WP in Cursed Shore as I do running the same few events over and over and over again. There’s no reason I should, and no reason I shouldn’t – it’s a value judgement on the part of the devs as to what they hope to achieve. Their game, their call.

It is the content. It’s just not all of the content.

There is a middle ground and its allowing the speed runners to speed run while cutting off the transfer of baubles from one character to another. It doesn’t stop the speed run it just makes it daily. It instead allows those who grind actual content to actually gain more benefit than those who don’t that just seems like it makes more sense.

First, you are positing that there needs to be a middle ground or compromise. There doesn’t. For their to even be any weight to your position you would have to show it benefits the game and players more than otherwise – you haven’t. Because it’s the way “you think it should be” or because somehow it “increases novelty” which you’ve yet to demonstrate it does, or that there is even any intrinsic value in it in the first place, aren’t reasons for their to be a compromise.

Maybe I want it to be even easier to get. I think it should be 25 bubbles like the back pack. You need to compromise with ME and we need to reduce the price on Skins to make them EASIER to achieve. Why? Because that’s what I want and the “novelty” of scarcity makes me feel bad for seeing players not get gear.

Second, I’ve already stated, it’s just as much of a grind to speedrun. It’s a different grind. You’re arguing ice cream flavors here. It’s all ice cream. any "repetitive task for accumulating <resource> is “grind”. You want completionists to be rewarded more than non-completionists.

Well, in the immortal words of the Dude, “that’s just, like, your opinion man”.

Your suggestion, again, accomplishes almost nothing. People get skins in 7 days instead of 1. Why?

1. Because it makes your playstyle more efficient.
2. Why should your playstyle be more efficient. Because you’re exploring more of the content (over and over and over).
3. Why should that be more efficient? Because you’re exploring more of the content.

That’s called circular logic.

Also, again, you already are getting a special reward for it. You get a nifty little title and achievement points. That’s just not enough though, you can’t just have 3 cookies and let everyone else have 2, you need 4 and they need 1 so it’s a “compromise”.

There is Zero, nada, zilch, none, absolutely no reason to make them Soulbound. It does nothing but make people play according to the schedule you think they should play, because you think the should.

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But you care if someone could spare 2 1/2 hours in a day on them?

I don’t understand where you got this from. The soulbound system allows for speed runs as well as allows for those who grind to gain from their efforts.

Then there is no point.

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But you care if someone could spare 2 1/2 hours in a day on them?

I don’t understand where you got this from. The soulbound system allows for speed runs as well as allows for those who grind to gain from their efforts.

But I’d rather not have the skins on a few alts, what so ever. But they’re now soulbound. Why would I even run the event on them.

What are you talking about, they’re not soulbound.

There are the droppable rare (rarity, not drop rate) tradeable weapon skins and the purchaseable master (rarity) account bound weapon skins…

Unless they ninja patched in the last hour.

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But you care if someone could spare 2 1/2 hours in a day on them?

I don’t understand where you got this from. The soulbound system allows for speed runs as well as allows for those who grind to gain from their efforts.

But I’d rather not have the skins on a few alts, what so ever. But they’re now soulbound. Why would I even run the event on them.

My Eng gets a shield, but he only uses a rifle. My necro has all the skins he needs, but can work towards ones he doesn’t want. So how does this help me get the skins I want? :P

I don’t understand where you got this from. The soulbound system allows for speed runs as well as allows for those who grind to gain from their efforts.

But I’d rather not have the skins on a few alts, what so ever. But they’re now soulbound. Why would I even run the event on them.
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Because it makes his playstyle the best playstyle, and that’s what matters
::thumbsup and a wink::

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Posted by: MiloSales.8560

MiloSales.8560

But you care if someone could spare 2 1/2 hours in a day on them?

I don’t understand where you got this from. The soulbound system allows for speed runs as well as allows for those who grind to gain from their efforts.

But I’d rather not have the skins on a few alts, what so ever. But they’re now soulbound. Why would I even run the event on them.

What are you talking about, they’re not soulbound.

There are the droppable rare (rarity, not drop rate) tradeable weapon skins and the purchaseable master (rarity) account bound weapon skins…

Unless they ninja patched in the last hour.

If you read back: He thinks they should be made soulbound so they are harder to get (can’t speedun on alts and send them to a main) so people who look for every bauble in every nook and cranny 24/7 for the next month get more/faster skins because that is how he plays.

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

Esplen.3940

But you care if someone could spare 2 1/2 hours in a day on them?

I don’t understand where you got this from. The soulbound system allows for speed runs as well as allows for those who grind to gain from their efforts.

But I’d rather not have the skins on a few alts, what so ever. But they’re now soulbound. Why would I even run the event on them.

What are you talking about, they’re not soulbound.

There are the droppable rare (rarity, not drop rate) tradeable weapon skins and the purchaseable master (rarity) account bound weapon skins…

Unless they ninja patched in the last hour.

If you read back: He thinks they should be made soulbound so they are harder to get (can’t speedun on alts and send them to a main) so people who look for every bauble in every nook and cranny 24/7 for the next month get more/faster skins because that is how he plays.

That would ruin the entire system. Now my Ranger (for the sake of the argument. In reality, I have no Ranger) will get a Staff that I can’t move… yay.

On the other hand, it doesn’t change anything because they would most likely still be dropping as skins, which, if we put onto a white weapon, becomes account bound, anyways.

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Posted by: MiloSales.8560

MiloSales.8560

But you care if someone could spare 2 1/2 hours in a day on them?

I don’t understand where you got this from. The soulbound system allows for speed runs as well as allows for those who grind to gain from their efforts.

But I’d rather not have the skins on a few alts, what so ever. But they’re now soulbound. Why would I even run the event on them.

What are you talking about, they’re not soulbound.

There are the droppable rare (rarity, not drop rate) tradeable weapon skins and the purchaseable master (rarity) account bound weapon skins…

Unless they ninja patched in the last hour.

If you read back: He thinks they should be made soulbound so they are harder to get (can’t speedun on alts and send them to a main) so people who look for every bauble in every nook and cranny 24/7 for the next month get more/faster skins because that is how he plays.

That would ruin the entire system. Now my Ranger (for the sake of the argument. In reality, I have no Ranger) will get a Staff that I can’t move… yay.

On the other hand, it doesn’t change anything because they would most likely still be dropping as skins, which, if we put onto a white weapon, becomes account bound, anyways.

Yeah, there’s a million reasons not to and only one to do so: a really bad one.

Sorry man, I edit a lot too, so I feel ya. Hot Topic (I’m an Econ/Philosophy Major so this is like crack to me) with all of 4 people, lol.

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Posted by: MiloSales.8560

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Also, Bump for an Answer please Anet.

Plenty of us keep asking and you’ve answered other less consequential posts. We’ve undertaken due diligence to find out so we don’t exploit, bans from this will be a really, really poorly taken by the community.

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

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I’m just reading/lurking. I felt my two cents was needed there because I got confused. Regardless, I feel like it’s fine the way it is. There is the “hardcore” method and the “casual” method. Both are viable, and both will, theoretically (statistically) net you the same reward, just in a different method.

I am going to be grinding until I get more Bauble Bubbles (not really going to make new characters… unless I’m really bored and need to get my Moto-fix).

The thing is, it’s not fully implemented. I bet they’re going to add more rewards and, therefore, I want to save my Bauble Bubbles. That, and if I play the Box all month, I might get more skins the skins I want without having to use my Bauble Bubbles… or maybe the other way around, so I can have tradeables!

EDIT:
Now my post makes no sense… Tamaki please stop deleting your posts.

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

Esplen.3940

Would you all learn how to use the Edit button, and or copy paste so we don’t have triple-posts WITHOUT deletion in between.

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MiloSales.8560

I had to delete some a while back, but I haven’t slept in 48 hours, so I claim it as insomniac’s prerogative.

Squeeze. Every. Second. From. Spring. Break.

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I had to delete some a while back, but I haven’t slept in 48 hours, so I claim it as insomniac’s prerogative.

Squeeze. Every. Second. From. Spring. Break.

Delete out anything contradictory to your first statement. Then get a spvp guy to come back you. Goodjob sport.

I’m a PvE guy, and I have your quote here. Go ahead and delete it to try and save face.

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MiloSales.8560

I had to delete some a while back, but I haven’t slept in 48 hours, so I claim it as insomniac’s prerogative.
Squeeze. Every. Second. From. Spring. Break.

Delete out anything contradictory to your first statement.
Then get a spvp guy to come back you. Goodjob sport.

Take the time to comeback with some substance. I’ll be afk for a bit.

Huh? I just deleted duplicates? Not any content. What is it you think I said?

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Posted by: MiloSales.8560

MiloSales.8560

Let me clear something up:

Rev and I have both been arguing AGAINST soulbounding.

Rehero is the one who wants it, because it nerfs everyone but people who play like he does.

When I said: He has been saying we need to soulbond bubbles, I was referring to Rehero, not Rev?

I deleted a couple duplicates like, hours ago, on the first page, because I clicked Quote instead of edit when I went to fix some grammar, etc. . .

So yeah, I’m pretty sure we’re all and have been on the same side of the argument.

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

Esplen.3940

I had to delete some a while back, but I haven’t slept in 48 hours, so I claim it as insomniac’s prerogative.
Squeeze. Every. Second. From. Spring. Break.

When did “I love content too much, Milo” become so mean? :P

Delete out anything contradictory to your first statement.
Then get a spvp guy to come back you. Goodjob sport.

Take the time to comeback with some substance. I’ll be afk for a bit.

Huh? I just deleted duplicates? Not any content. What is it you think I said?

Wow, you guys are reaching. Thought this was a normal thread, but you guys are obviously targetting anything, ie me.

My posts were simply opinions and not directed/targeting anyone until you started calling me “Milo’s buddy”. You called me out, not the other way around.

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Posted by: Tolmos.8395

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I prefer the way it is now and hope they don’t change it. Things being limited by days are really annoying, and I would prefer to blow a Saturday gaming away to get items compared to having to try to cram in an hour of gaming after work each day. I’d be more likely to just skip the content in the latter scenario.

I would particularly hate It if they changed it now that others have benefited from the ability to get 1 skin a day, effectively punishing everyone else for not playing fast enough.

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

Esplen.3940

Well this is getting off-topic.

Back on topic, I think if anyone wants to read the continuation of this thread, please go here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/sab/Great-Concept-Laden-With-Poor-Game-Mechanics/

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Posted by: Thelgar.7214

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I like the way it is now. It is kind of cool to get to use all my characters in a row toward a goal like this. I’m having fun and I’m getting cool stuff for my characters. There is no reason to ruin it by pandering to the “I don’t just want to have, I want you not to have” crowd. There is more than enough stuff that can scratch that itch in the game already. Having something like this for the rest of us is great.

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Dude, Rev, Eps is anti soulbound too.

Lol, this is hilarious. 3 people on the same side who are going at eachother over nothing.

Also, just noticed a message, a mod deleted a post of mine too – so that may have contributed. Which means a Mod is reading this thread.

Can we get a response Moderator? Wrangle an Anet poster for us please?

My major concern is getting a response on this being fair game from Anet, so I’ll prob just keep bumping this from time to time.

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

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I like the way it is now. It is kind of cool to get to use all my characters in a row toward a goal like this. I’m having fun and I’m getting cool stuff for my characters. There is no reason to ruin it by pandering to the “I don’t just want to have, I want you not to have” crowd. There is more than enough stuff that can scratch that itch in the game already. Having something like this for the rest of us is great.

Continuing on this, by “farming” with multiple [potentially new] characters stops players from using their acquired skills and forces them to use less.

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Posted by: ZenonSeth.5739

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I don’t really want to jump in the middle of this, but isn’t this exactly like the multiple character farming through dungeon runs?

I mean people obviously do that (and on days when I have time, I’ve done some runs with a couple of toons myself), so it’s not an exploit or anything. The only problem I see is that the SAB has no character level limit, which apparently allows some people to keep running by creating new characters all the time. Even a ridiculously low character level limit, say, 10, would fix the problem.

Are ye laughin’ yet?

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Posted by: MiloSales.8560

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I don’t really want to jump in the middle of this, but isn’t this exactly like the multiple character farming through dungeon runs?

The only problem I see is that the SAB has no character level limit, which apparently allows some people to keep running by creating new characters all the time. Even a ridiculously low character level limit, say, 10, would fix the problem.

Agreed. I want to know if this is an exploit or not. They’ve said it is fine with Black Lion Keys, so I assume it’s fine with this as well. It’s also so incredibly easy to prevent I have no idea how it could be. It’s known it is done to get the personal story level key, so it’s not like it’s some crazy out of nowhere idea.

If it is there should be some clear communication that it is, because right now most people think it’s fine and don’t deserve a ban because there was no warning or communication.

It’s not like the few extra unbound skins are going to wreck the economy.

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

Esplen.3940

I don’t really want to jump in the middle of this, but isn’t this exactly like the multiple character farming through dungeon runs?

The only problem I see is that the SAB has no character level limit, which apparently allows some people to keep running by creating new characters all the time. Even a ridiculously low character level limit, say, 10, would fix the problem.

Agreed. I want to know if this is an exploit or not. They’ve said it is fine with Black Lion Keys, so I assume it’s fine with this as well. It’s also so incredibly easy to prevent I have no idea how it could be. It’s known it is done to get the personal story level key, so it’s not like it’s some crazy out of nowhere idea.

If it is there should be some clear communication that it is, because right now most people think it’s fine and don’t deserve a ban because there was no warning or communication.

It’s not like the few extra unbound skins are going to wreck the economy.

It wouldn’t be a bannable offense because it’s not going to ruin the economy, but it may get patched soon, so keep your eyes out if you’re been abusing it. If you haven’t been abusing it and/or don’t care, well… it doesn’t apply to you, so why are you seeing what you should feel.

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Posted by: Fangblade.2687

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Wow, people complain about anything. Even alt grinding for a super skin would take longer than i dunno, the many popular ways to make gold these days. #entitledcrybabies

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Posted by: MiloSales.8560

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It wouldn’t be a bannable offense because it’s not going to ruin the economy, but it may get patched soon, so keep your eyes out if you’re been abusing it. If you haven’t been abusing it and/or don’t care, well… it doesn’t apply to you, so why are you seeing what you should feel.

I care because I may decide to, and I’d like an answer before I do. If I don’t get one, I’ll assume it’s kosher and probably do it since I’m on break and have lots of time to play this week and will have none for the rest of the month,

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Wow, people complain about anything. Even alt grinding for a super skin would take longer than i dunno, the many popular ways to make gold these days. #entitledcrybabies

Actually, it’s faster to alt grind than to CoF to get the money for a skin.

It wouldn’t be a bannable offense because it’s not going to ruin the economy, but it may get patched soon, so keep your eyes out if you’re been abusing it. If you haven’t been abusing it and/or don’t care, well… it doesn’t apply to you, so why are you seeing what you should feel.

I care because I may decide to, and I’d like an answer before I do. If I don’t get one, I’ll assume it’s kosher and probably do it since I’m on break and have lots of time to play this week and will have none for the rest of the month,

So you’re calling for a Red? Just letting you know, but that’s technically a forum offense.

One of the offenses is:

Do not post petitions, “I demand an answer” threads, conspiracy threads, or comments about circumventing the rules.

By posting on the forums, you agree to the rules…

See: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/rules

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Posted by: MiloSales.8560

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I’m not demanding, I’m asking. I also didn’t make the thread.

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Posted by: Fudge.9527

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There is no way that this was intended to be okay, otherwise what is the point of the daily limit per character?

I hope they either fix this or just remove the daily limit; having to constantly make and delete characters to get the most out of this event is disappointing.