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Posted by: Jademalo.3724

Jademalo.3724

After spending hours trying and failing with multiple groups, I’ve been having a think about what would alleviate the issues with the achievements for me.

Ultimately, it’s not the difficulty that’s getting me down so much, it’s good to have hard achievements! – It’s the fact that I only have two weeks.

Now, for whatever reason, I doubt Anet is going to keep this dungeon in beyond that amount of time, However I have heard it’s coming back as a fractal.
If we could have some confirmation on the following question, I’d have no complaints about this dungeon, it’s difficulty, or it’s achievements.

When the Aetherblade Retreat returns as a Fractal, will we still be able to earn the original 6 achievements that are present in the dungeon now?

If the answer to that is yes, than I drop all complaints about the content, the difficulty, and the achievements.

Does anyone else agree? Time limiting those achievements in my eyes is just artificially difficult and punishes group luck/time spent over actual skill.

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Posted by: deviller.9135

deviller.9135

Well not in fractal, make it like in WoW. A special place where you can do old run (Time…. Cavern). Of course the end dungeon reward, some loot is removed.

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Posted by: Folie.7980

Folie.7980

No, bc I’m guessing the whole point is that the achievement is only meant for people who have the skill to do it sometime in the next two weeks. It’s just a few achievements with no other rewards other than achievement points, so the world isn’t going to crumble if you don’t get them.

#magswag
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Jademalo.3724

No, bc I’m guessing the whole point is that the achievement is only meant for people who have the skill to do it sometime in the next two weeks. It’s just a few achievements with no other rewards other than achievement points, so the world isn’t going to crumble if you don’t get them.

This is the issue – it’s not personal skill that is the problem here, it’s group skill. We wiped on the first boss earlier, and I spent a good 5 minutes solo happily dodging the third laser phase. Ultimately I was only tickling the golems, so I suicided for another attempt.
With Personal Space, the commonly accepted pug tactic is to all stack on top of Mei and eat the AoEs. If you’re trying to do the achievement, it’s to the detriment of your group. This is fine if you can organise a decent group of people to get it done, but with two weeks on the clock it’s a substantially harder feat especially since a run takes upwards of two hours.

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Folie.7980

No, bc I’m guessing the whole point is that the achievement is only meant for people who have the skill to do it sometime in the next two weeks. It’s just a few achievements with no other rewards other than achievement points, so the world isn’t going to crumble if you don’t get them.

This is the issue – it’s not personal skill that is the problem here, it’s group skill. We wiped on the first boss earlier, and I spent a good 5 minutes solo happily dodging the third laser phase. Ultimately I was only tickling the golems, so I suicided for another attempt.
With Personal Space, the commonly accepted pug tactic is to all stack on top of Mei and eat the AoEs. If you’re trying to do the achievement, it’s to the detriment of your group. This is fine if you can organise a decent group of people to get it done, but with two weeks on the clock it’s a substantially harder feat especially since a run takes upwards of two hours.

What’s the problem with it being a group skill? This is an MMO; a social game. Get together your guildies with the intention of getting the achievement. It’s not impossibly difficult, since others have managed it, and again, if you can’t get the achievement, are you really missing that much?

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Posted by: Jademalo.3724

Jademalo.3724

No, bc I’m guessing the whole point is that the achievement is only meant for people who have the skill to do it sometime in the next two weeks. It’s just a few achievements with no other rewards other than achievement points, so the world isn’t going to crumble if you don’t get them.

This is the issue – it’s not personal skill that is the problem here, it’s group skill. We wiped on the first boss earlier, and I spent a good 5 minutes solo happily dodging the third laser phase. Ultimately I was only tickling the golems, so I suicided for another attempt.
With Personal Space, the commonly accepted pug tactic is to all stack on top of Mei and eat the AoEs. If you’re trying to do the achievement, it’s to the detriment of your group. This is fine if you can organise a decent group of people to get it done, but with two weeks on the clock it’s a substantially harder feat especially since a run takes upwards of two hours.

What’s the problem with it being a group skill? This is an MMO; a social game. Get together your guildies with the intention of getting the achievement. It’s not impossibly difficult, since others have managed it, and again, if you can’t get the achievement, are you really missing that much?

I’ve completed every event achievement up to this point, so yes. I am.

I can only play between 10pm and 10am, so I am completely limited to Pugs. If I could get a guild group going to grind it for a good few hours I would, but I cannot.

In 3 weeks or so I will be able to play 4pm-2am which would be fine, but that’s too late.

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

Esplen.3940

I’ve completed the dungeon a few times all in pug groups since I am a solo player. In fact, with one of the groups, it was 4 people from a guild in Mumble (I wasn’t in Voice Chat since I was the pug) and I saved them on the last boss since they all died and called GG. I proceeded to tank, mitigate and res 2 of them without going below 75% health (I run full zerk). From there, I helped them res the other 2 and we finished the fight easy peasy.

As for the first boss, it’s just a matter of understanding his fights. It’s really a good boss fight. First, you get one laser wall, somewhat easy to avoid once you figure it out. Then you get another wall which you have to avoid with a different method. THEN you have BOTH walls, which you have to dodge incorporating both methods.

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Posted by: Jademalo.3724

Jademalo.3724

I’ve completed the dungeon a few times all in pug groups since I am a solo player. In fact, with one of the groups, it was 4 people from a guild in Mumble (I wasn’t in Voice Chat since I was the pug) and I saved them on the last boss since they all died and called GG. I proceeded to tank, mitigate and res 2 of them without going below 75% health (I run full zerk). From there, I helped them res the other 2 and we finished the fight easy peasy.

As for the first boss, it’s just a matter of understanding his fights. It’s really a good boss fight. First, you get one laser wall, somewhat easy to avoid once you figure it out. Then you get another wall which you have to avoid with a different method. THEN you have BOTH walls, which you have to dodge incorporating both methods.

The dungeon is fine, this is not what I’m complaining about. It’s the achievements related to that. Don’t hit the laser walls, last boss in under 15 minutes, and don’t get hit by any AoE on the last boss. All three of those are incrediblty difficult if you’re trying to pug the dungeon, prohibitively infact.

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Posted by: Folie.7980

Folie.7980

No, bc I’m guessing the whole point is that the achievement is only meant for people who have the skill to do it sometime in the next two weeks. It’s just a few achievements with no other rewards other than achievement points, so the world isn’t going to crumble if you don’t get them.

This is the issue – it’s not personal skill that is the problem here, it’s group skill. We wiped on the first boss earlier, and I spent a good 5 minutes solo happily dodging the third laser phase. Ultimately I was only tickling the golems, so I suicided for another attempt.
With Personal Space, the commonly accepted pug tactic is to all stack on top of Mei and eat the AoEs. If you’re trying to do the achievement, it’s to the detriment of your group. This is fine if you can organise a decent group of people to get it done, but with two weeks on the clock it’s a substantially harder feat especially since a run takes upwards of two hours.

What’s the problem with it being a group skill? This is an MMO; a social game. Get together your guildies with the intention of getting the achievement. It’s not impossibly difficult, since others have managed it, and again, if you can’t get the achievement, are you really missing that much?

I’ve completed every event achievement up to this point, so yes. I am.

I can only play between 10pm and 10am, so I am completely limited to Pugs. If I could get a guild group going to grind it for a good few hours I would, but I cannot.

In 3 weeks or so I will be able to play 4pm-2am which would be fine, but that’s too late.

This is a problem that will never be changed with ALL MMOs that have time-exclusive events. You’ll find that MMOs can be exclusive to people who have real life commitments. Because of real life, I’ve missed out on 80% of Flame and Frost and ALL of Secret of Southsun, and, as much as I would’ve loved to get those achievements to catch up with the rest of the higher ranks in my guild, I’ve realized that there’s nothing I can do about it.

Timer-based events and their content on MMOs run on the assumption that you have the time to take part in them. If you can’t accept this, maybe you should pursue a more realistic goal. You can’t achieve everything.

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Posted by: Lord Erik.6903

Lord Erik.6903

You sir know now how I feel about the Mad Kings Clock Tower.

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Posted by: Folie.7980

Folie.7980

You sir know now how I feel about the Mad Kings Clock Tower.

The developer literally intended for only around 2% of players to beat that lol

#magswag
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Posted by: Lord Erik.6903

Lord Erik.6903

You sir know now how I feel about the Mad Kings Clock Tower.

The developer literally intended for only around 2% of players to beat that lol

Whispers and he knows it irritates me…

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Posted by: Jademalo.3724

Jademalo.3724

You sir know now how I feel about the Mad Kings Clock Tower.

Clock tower was personal skill and it will be back later this year.

This is group skill and is one time only.
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Folie.7980

You sir know now how I feel about the Mad Kings Clock Tower.

The developer literally intended for only around 2% of players to beat that lol

Whispers and he knows it irritates me…

Developer’s thoughts while making the clock tower: “Oh yessssss, delicous, I can just see the complaining on the forums already…”
While it was easy for me bc I happen to be good at jumping for some reason, I will admit that thing was EVIL

#magswag
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