Guild Wars 2

Please separate the crab toss achievements from the rest of the Southsun Cove achievements. (PvP and PvE already separated in the daily and monthly achievements, why is this different?)

I don’t like PvP (in fact I hate it), it is frustrating and relies on luck rather than skill. This is not my play style, and I’m being forced into it to get the reward I want. Arena Net said we could play the way we want, but I’m not seeing that in this update at all.

Please, if anyone else feels this way post that you do so we can possibly see some change!

Ah i see there are many options. You are correct Ursan, and thank you for quelling my anger,lol. I was quick to judge this update, but I should have investigated further.

The pvp part isn’t the issue. It’s being rolled 8 consecutive times by the karka…

Ursan.7846:

There’s more than 25 achievements. You can skip it if you don’t want to do it.

Not really, its not optional if you want the 100% pve chiv completion since its part of the living story, crap lag and leg loss should just be moved to the activities achivementes section for that noone cares about just like keg brawl.

Wait, so costume brawls are PvP?

on a related matter – can anyone confirm if traits affect you in here? Some people seem to be able to dodge significantly more than me – are endurance related traits active/worth using?

I’m not sure, Sarie.

They could be using the Southsun punch pick up. It heals you and restores your endurance. If you pick it up before you have the crab, it stays on your bar.

As a Guardian, Aegis still pops up and block things.

It goes all the other way round too. If I wanted a Super Weapon Skin (for pvp), I’d have to play the SAB, which is a PVE content. And the most recent example: the PVP Jetpack, that was only obtainable via PVE…

Sarie.1630:

on a related matter – can anyone confirm if traits affect you in here? Some people seem to be able to dodge significantly more than me – are endurance related traits active/worth using?

Is not, my thief is traited for faster endurance regen and it doesn’t happen in the game.

I don’t see the problem with getting rolled by karka, unlike the usual being defeated and having to do the walk to shame you just simply get up and back into the action. I find it incredibly comical and fun trying to run away from the zerg on my butt when I get the crab.

You have no allies and alot of very angry people behind you.

What you really need to complain about is how this quote -pvp- event which is about as far from real pvp as you can get is just a keg brawl reskin. There is only two differences mobs can attack you and no goals. Everything else is pretty much the exact same with tossing it ahead, the dashing, etc.

The crab toss is buggy as hell as well. The lag is insane, dodge or dash only works part of the time at best to save your crab, half the items do not even go off when the person walks into the area that it is supposed to effect them, most of the skills are bugged and will work for grabbing the crab only sometimes. All that on top of the fact people like it like oddball from Halo and just follow the person with the crab like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off and tossed into the lost forest of doom.

The whole thing is just gag worthy.

Asomal.6453:

It goes all the other way round too. If I wanted a Super Weapon Skin (for pvp), I’d have to play the SAB, which is a PVE content. And the most recent example: the PVP Jetpack, that was only obtainable via PVE…

You got jetpack from tournament and sab was hardly something that could be called “doing pve”, more like run for 5 minutes with a alt 13 times, this is dedicated kitten whoring in a pvp arena.

Sarie.1630:

on a related matter – can anyone confirm if traits affect you in here? Some people seem to be able to dodge significantly more than me – are endurance related traits active/worth using?

There’s an item you can pick up from smashing crates that refills your health and endurance.

Andele.1306:

Asomal.6453:

It goes all the other way round too. If I wanted a Super Weapon Skin (for pvp), I’d have to play the SAB, which is a PVE content. And the most recent example: the PVP Jetpack, that was only obtainable via PVE…

You got jetpack from tournament and sab was hardly something that could be called “doing pve”, more like run for 5 minutes with a alt 13 times, this is dedicated kitten whoring in a pvp arena.

Molten gauntlets from tournaments, yes. Jetpack? No. PvE content. SAB? Also PvE content, no matter how long it took. So yes, it is, essentially, the same.

BlueSoda.6297:

I don’t like PvP (in fact I hate it), it is frustrating and relies on luck rather than skill. This is not my play style, and I’m being forced into it to get the reward I want.

On the contrary, it absolutely IS a display of skill, you have to prove you are the better crab-grabber (crabber), instead of merely jumping through some hoops with dumb-as-a-post AI.

Unfortunately you (like me) don’t display the prodigious skill of some of the other players which makes it rather frustrating trying to get the achievement unlocked…

…of course an achievement isn’t really an achievement if it’s easy

so far the only thing i dont find right is the whole 1 winner thing this clearly was meant to be a team vs team event specially with the wonderful targetting system that prioritizes everyone except the carrier

Ryuujin.8236:

BlueSoda.6297:

I don’t like PvP (in fact I hate it), it is frustrating and relies on luck rather than skill. This is not my play style, and I’m being forced into it to get the reward I want.

On the contrary, it absolutely IS a display of skill, you have to prove you are the better crab-grabber (crabber), instead of merely jumping through some hoops with dumb-as-a-post AI.

Unfortunately you (like me) don’t display the prodigious skill of some of the other players which makes it rather frustrating trying to get the achievement unlocked…

…of course an achievement isn’t really an achievement if it’s easy

Well more the game of lag luck, i wouldnt mind if you couldnt clip trough half the karka by lagging just to get hit by a invisible guys first in the face that you couldnt dodge because his model was still on the other side of the arena, also half the skills are probably reworks of spectral grasp because their homing is just about accurate, as in 130 degrees away from what you are looking at and have targeted.
Also epic optimization with it being its own instance…

Lol @"pvp is luck" ya killing or beating other actual people takes sooooo much less skill than killing a mob…crab toss is a blast leave it as is…also if you payed attention WvW(which is pvp) Dailys are in same category as regular so they do this a lot

I love the Crab Toss, even with the lag and the constant dying. It’s a mini-game. If you don’t enjoy it, don’t play it. You can get 25 achievements just by entering the arena once, and given that there are more achievements that you can’t do yet, even that is likely to be unnecessary.

it’s labeled ‘PvP’, but I wouldn’t really call it like that. It’s more like a small competive acitivity that doesn’t really involves any fighting.

There is a reason I don’t do PvP. There is no learning curve. Especially when it is something like this and has a limited time to do so. I’m so frustrated that I can’t even come close to Champion that I’m about to throw my comp out the window. But I only have a limited time to learn how you want me to accomplish this against people that have more time that me to participate (and usually are a lot more skilled at video games.) If you want to put in things like crab toss, make sure they are like keg brawl.

They stay around…..Forever

If there was no learning curve, the others wouldn’t be better than you.

Captain Seyo.4285:

There is a reason I don’t do PvP. There is no learning curve... But I only have a limited time...

I strongly disagree with your reasoning concerning PvP. There is a constant learning curve and endless adapting.

Anyway, I don’t think of Crab Toss as PvP. It’s more of a fun distraction. Achievements are earned, some harder than others. They shouldn’t just be given to everyone, or they wouldn’t be achievements.

Just do what you can and enjoy what you do. It’s not like you’re competing against or trying to impress anyone, right? Happy fun times, all that. Really, why play a game if it’s just going to make you get your stress on.

Captain Seyo.4285:

There is a reason I don’t do PvP. There is no learning curve. Especially when it is something like this and has a limited time to do so. I’m so frustrated that I can’t even come close to Champion that I’m about to throw my comp out the window. But I only have a limited time to learn how you want me to accomplish this against people that have more time that me to participate (and usually are a lot more skilled at video games.) If you want to put in things like crab toss, make sure they are like keg brawl.

They stay around…..Forever

That’s why there are plenty of other achievements around that can get you to 25/25; you don’t need to do the Crab Toss ones.

That being said, Crab Toss isn’t particularly hard, you just need to hold down the dash key when you pick up the crab and dodge when enemies get close enough to steal it. When the hatchlings catch up to you, just toss the crab to someone behind you and watch them and everyone around them die. I got champion on my second game.

Ryuujin.8236:

BlueSoda.6297:

I don’t like PvP (in fact I hate it), it is frustrating and relies on luck rather than skill. This is not my play style, and I’m being forced into it to get the reward I want.

On the contrary, it absolutely IS a display of skill, you have to prove you are the better crab-grabber (crabber), instead of merely jumping through some hoops with dumb-as-a-post AI.

Unfortunately you (like me) don’t display the prodigious skill of some of the other players which makes it rather frustrating trying to get the achievement unlocked…

…of course an achievement isn’t really an achievement if it’s easy

You don’t know what my skill level is in this aspect so I don’t know how you can say that I “don’t display the prodigious skill” of other players. This is most def PvP, and it is def. a game of luck, especially because of the lag and various bugs that always come with new content like this. I’m not complaining because I CAN’T do this content, it’s because I don’t WANT to do it to get a full set of achievements.

I am not a fan of PvP at all (I play FPS’es for that); but I gotta admit, my son and I had an absolute BLAST with this event last night.

I won’t play it a lot, but it is a fantastic distraction… and most importantly – fun!

this “fear” of PvP (even if it’s just a little minigame which makes a lot of fun) is tiring

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

this “fear” of PvP (even if it’s just a little minigame which makes a lot of fun) is tiring

Didn’t see anyone mention fear. It’s called different tastes.

Like someone above mentioned above he plays FPS’s for his PvP. I am the same, I play FPS’s and used to tournament with a couple fighting games. I prefer my RPG’s to be more laid back, play out stories and progress my character. There’s really no fear involved, just not much interest.

BlueSoda.6297:

You don’t know what my skill level is in this aspect so I don’t know how you can say that I “don’t display the prodigious skill” of other players. .

You’re losing consistently.

That tells me that at the very least your skills are “average” – in any given mix of people you’re not coming out top. If you think it’s possible to be skillful, yet lose every match you need a reality check.

I love PvP. I dislike Crab Toss very much. It is very buggy and very frustrating. On top of that I just don’t like the design.

That being said, I appreciate that the devs gave enough options for achievements to get the story title without having to do every task. I hope they continue down this path since you can’t please everyone. Allowing flexibility in accomplishing goals is great.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

We made sure to allow enough achievements so that if folks who didn’t want to do PvP or jump puzzles would still be able to get the full meta achievement completed, and get the backslot items (we did that for the sample collection as well, only requiring 10 of the 11 samples to complete the achievement since one of them is more difficult to get to than others)
Everyone likes different things, so we try to make a little something for everyone. Its okay not to like something, just don’t do it. There’s still plenty of stuff on the island to do, and more to come in the weeks ahead.

Next time remember to throw the crap toss and other pvp minigame achivements that take insanity, achivement whoring and brain damage to finish just to require only 2 (as in like the wintersday pvp that a zombie monkey that is missing half his body could get in half a hour of fuznies pvp) or put them in their own little place that noone cares about like keg brawl. Every kind of pvp achivement has nothing to do with the living story and/or pve, so they shouldnt mix even if the pvp is themed after whats going on in Tyria.

Well…I hate crab toss, but since I am a completionist and wanted the achievements and title I forced myself through it today and got it all done. Needless to say I won’t be setting another foot into that crab toss ring ever again

Firefly.5982:

Well…I hate crab toss, but since I am a completionist and wanted the achievements and title I forced myself through it today and got it all done. Needless to say I won’t be setting another foot into that crab toss ring ever again

Amen

I tried it out once and didn’t really enjoy it, but that doesn’t bother me much since I can get enough achievements complete doing other stuff.

Take it off the PVE daily.

Theplayboy.6417:

BlueSoda.6297:

Please separate the crab toss achievements from the rest of the Southsun Cove achievements. (PvP and PvE already separated in the daily and monthly achievements, why is this different?)

I don’t like PvP (in fact I hate it), it is frustrating and relies on luck rather than skill. This is not my play style, and I’m being forced into it to get the reward I want. Arena Net said we could play the way we want, but I’m not seeing that in this update at all.

Please, if anyone else feels this way post that you do so we can possibly see some change!

You have absolutely lost your mind. PvP = Skill ; PvE = No Skill. It’s unfortunate you don’t have the hand eye coordination or quick mindedness to PvP but you really need to get your facts straight before you come crying on the forums.

People have gone completely mad, the day they start calling PvP luck based.
Is mashing bloody #1 and rolling out of red circles against an NPC that repeats its attack patterns, more skilled than human vs human?

I swear people like the person that made this post ruin the game. This is the easiest to acquire exotic item in the game, and kittens are complaining about something to small that is completely optional.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

We made sure to allow enough achievements so that if folks who didn’t want to do PvP or jump puzzles would still be able to get the full meta achievement completed, and get the backslot items (we did that for the sample collection as well, only requiring 10 of the 11 samples to complete the achievement since one of them is more difficult to get to than others)
Everyone likes different things, so we try to make a little something for everyone. Its okay not to like something, just don’t do it. There’s still plenty of stuff on the island to do, and more to come in the weeks ahead.

Did he just say more to come on the weeks ahead? More backpieces? That would be awesome…

Another “I don’t like this therefore you have to remove it” post…
You don’t have to do it.
Btw pvp is ALL skill…

If it was based on luck and chance, there would be no reason for a few certain players to get first place over and over, and run through 5 players, without using the dash skill, while holding the crab and still make it away from them untouched.
You can play the way you want. There are enough achievements elsewhere to get your prize.
Just because you don’t like one aspect of the game doesn’t mean that the prizes for playing it should be removed, especially when you can get those prizes by doing the Pve achievements.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

We made sure to allow enough achievements so that if folks who didn’t want to do PvP or jump puzzles would still be able to get the full meta achievement completed, and get the backslot items (we did that for the sample collection as well, only requiring 10 of the 11 samples to complete the achievement since one of them is more difficult to get to than others)
Everyone likes different things, so we try to make a little something for everyone. Its okay not to like something, just don’t do it. There’s still plenty of stuff on the island to do, and more to come in the weeks ahead.

That is a really thoughtful decision and it makes the game for the average casual and many other people more fun.

But what about the hardcore gamers? I’m done with 27 avhievements atm since i suppose you can’t get the other ones (i’m missing one crab toss achiev). Although i wouldn’t call myself a hardcore gamer i was able to complete 25 achievs in under 3 hours. Won’t we get rewarded furher than that?

Firebaall.5127:

Take it off the PVE daily.

This, it isn’t PVE!

how long will this crab toss activity lasts?
ankittenhe only one who is experiencing lag spike in crab toss?

Did we have the same whine for Wintersday too or is the playerbase getting worse? These minigames arent actually PvP, and they’re not required, so do them if you want, dont do them if you dont want.

Lol if you don’t want to do it for daily simply don’t do it… ne need to get all hyped up

Ya why the big fuss on daily? They didn’t replace it over something just added one extra thing you can do

This crabtacular achiv is just pure luck, with such bad community no one cooperate to get it, this is just ridiculous.