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"Daily Crab Toss Champion"
So basically,
There were these guys who hate playing crab toss (most of the playerbase) who finally found a cooperative arena in which they could get some of the achievements done.
Then a new player comes along (you), who fails to notice that they’re doing achieves and proceeds to play normally thus messing up a greater number of persons time.
Then instead of just leaving and joining another arena after you’ve realised that they’re doing achieves, you stay for another round.
So basically,
There were these guys who hate playing crab toss (most of the playerbase) who finally found a cooperative arena in which they could get some of the achievements done.
Then a new player comes along (you), who fails to notice that they’re doing achieves and proceeds to play normally thus messing up a greater number of persons time.
Then instead of just leaving and joining another arena after you’ve realised that they’re doing achieves, you stay for another round.
Yeah man.
I’m totally the bad guy in this situation.
Better ban me from Crab Toss for ruining other players’ times by playing it as its intended.
(edited by TheBlackLeech.9360)
I would have to say majority rules, in this case you were the bad guy.
That being said there is no excuse for abusive language so they aren’t entirely free of blame.
Just report them and be done with it. If they’d been smart they would have just let you get your daily and get out. Why’d you have to do crab toss though? This was an easy day.
Just report them and be done with it. If they’d been smart they would have just let you get your daily and get out. Why’d you have to do crab toss though? This was an easy day.
Need to continue getting all of the categories done to maintain my spot/ascend on the Leaderboards.
you’re weren’t in the wrong for playing the game like it was meant to be played, just find a horn and fear them every time you get a little closer
the trash talking is not acceptable.
however, them ganging up on you, though may seem not appropriate, technically, they are not breaking any rules.
I placed second in that match, and was forced to stay another round in order to get my daily win.
Sorry, I kinda stopped at this point. So you were forced to play more then 1 match to get your daily Crab Toss Champion done (aka 1 person per match gets this). Wow, sense of entitlement much?
There’s tons of other dailies you could have picked from. You can also just leave that specific match and come back for a different room. Seems like you just wanted to annoy other people that weren’t doing anything wrong.
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Add the reportoption “match manipulation” into the game and everything should fine.
GuildWars 2
Currently playing Heart of Thorns.
Currently playing Heart of Thorns.
Add the reportoption “match manipulation” into the game and everything should fine.
unfortunately, this seems to be covered in the rules of conduct.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/
22. While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.
the question is: is crab toss classified as PvP game play? those poor folks were just trying to clear their achievements. is that wrong?
is it not an “achievement” itself if a group of strangers can stop fighting each other, cooperate to achieve a common goal?
If this was a permanent arena where people could get the title over a longer period of time, I’d say well, yeah. But I know for a fact that the odds are I’m never going to win a game of Crab Toss, just because of the latency I have here in Tasmania. Half the time when I go to swipe the crab from someone, they’re right next to each other on my screen and in a completely different spot on my wife’s screen which is right next to mine. The chances of me winning are neglible.
So a few people decided to cooperate in a game that doesn’t affect anything but achievement points that mean nothing anyway (and yes I’m on the leaderboards). Who cares?
Leave the arena, go into a different one, there are always plenty going and play the game. It’s really not that hard.
No instead you want to ruin the fun multiple people are having to get your achievement. I’m not thinking reporting people would amount to much. Though I agree people should play the game honestly, there are times when that’s not going to happen.
And let’s face it, crab toss isn’t SPvP, it’s a fun minigame. Even the OP isn’t taking it seriously, he was just there for the achievement just like they were. He could have easily switched arenas.
“crab toss isn’t SPvP”
^ but then why anet made it look like so? -_-;;;
i mean, our characters wear our sPvP armor in crab toss, or any other festive games
the 2 halloween ones and the 2 wintersday one.
and i think we earn glory (sPvP thing) while playing crab toss.
the exp bar is replaced with the sPvP rank up bar.
do we earn glory while playing crab toss? or keg brawl.
“it’s a fun minigame”
^ aye indeed its quite fun when played properly.
“crab toss isn’t SPvP”
^ but then why anet made it look like so? -_-;;;i mean, our characters wear our sPvP armor in crab toss, or any other festive games
the 2 halloween ones and the 2 wintersday one.and i think we earn glory (sPvP thing) while playing crab toss.
the exp bar is replaced with the sPvP rank up bar.do we earn glory while playing crab toss? or keg brawl.
“it’s a fun minigame”
^ aye indeed its quite fun when played properly.
It’s PvP because you’re playing against other players. It’s not SPvP because aside from achievements it doesn’t track your stats. It was never meant to be played long term. There’s no observation mode, it doesn’t give you points to your glory, and it general it’s self contained.
You’re not even using your own skills, you’re using crab toss skills. It’s not team based it’s everyone for him/herself. So it’s demonstrably not SPvP. It’s clearly a mini game.
Just because something is player vs player, doesn’t mean its Spvp. The S for structured is a very specific format that awards glory and had tournaments and has an observation mode. Even if that mode is new, it was intended from day one.
I dont’ see serious crab toss leagues being formed, do you?
^ hmmm i see. thanks for explaining! XD
“I dont’ see serious crab toss leagues being formed, do you?”
hmmm no. best attempt at that, that i have seen, is my guild members attempting to join the one room with lots of our guild members in it.
friends just want to get together in the same room for some fun.
easier if anet gave us a server browser.
^ hmmm i see. thanks for explaining! XD
“I dont’ see serious crab toss leagues being formed, do you?”
hmmm no. best attempt at that, that i have seen, is my guild members attempting to join the one room with lots of our guild members in it.friends just want to get together in the same room for some fun.
easier if anet gave us a server browser.
It’s frustrating to not be able to get into a server with your team, but I can see why it was implemented without a browser. Because it’s not designed to be a team sport, it could easily be exploited by a guild of five guys all picking on guy number 6 and making his life hell. It’s practically a recipe for griefing.
^ hmmm i see. thanks for explaining! XD
“I dont’ see serious crab toss leagues being formed, do you?”
hmmm no. best attempt at that, that i have seen, is my guild members attempting to join the one room with lots of our guild members in it.friends just want to get together in the same room for some fun.
easier if anet gave us a server browser.
It’s frustrating to not be able to get into a server with your team, but I can see why it was implemented without a browser. Because it’s not designed to be a team sport, it could easily be exploited by a guild of five guys all picking on guy number 6 and making his life hell. It’s practically a recipe for griefing.
true.
well at least let guild members create their own crab toss room where only guild members can join.
no public griefing there right?
How sad is this, that people must cheat at Crab Toss. Its hardly a difficult game.
How sad is this, that people must cheat at Crab Toss. Its hardly a difficult game.
I’m horrible at crab toss, but I would never cheat at it :P I just gave up on the achievements after a few rounds.
As for the OP, you’re not at fault at all. You wanted to play the mini game correctly.
How sad is this, that people must cheat at Crab Toss. Its hardly a difficult game.
Try it from Tasmania and say that again. You have easily a half second latency that prevents you from doing what you want to do even remotely when you want to do it. Others have complained about lag, but this is on top of the lag everyone else gets.
Not everyone lives in the states. Not everyone has the benefit of an immaculate connection and these games are heavily slanted to someone with no latency. Australians playing FPSs on American servers experience much of the same problems…much higher ping.
I’m not sure how fair it is to exclude people with geographical latency issues from getting achievements.
This is pathetic,
Taking turns to get the crab toss achievement is really match making. Crab Toss mini-game is PvP as you play against other players. Let’s not “bend” the rules just because that stuff is temporary, because you suck at the game, or because you have latency issues. No one is responsible for the other guy’s latency issues, and he never should be.
And to those, saying that the OP should leave when finding this kind of playing, it’s just supporting a rule infringement. Why not hacks, while we’re at it? Shame…
I can honestly tell, that if it happened to me, i’d be there to spoil the fun of those cheaters for a long time, as i do when i find duels in WvW!
/Cheers
Right because what they’re doing is game-breaking. OMG someone got an achievement point. I got every single achievement without playing this way, btw, including winning a match. I simply lucked out on that, by getting into an arena early right after a reset, so I was one of two people in there for most of the match. The rest of the achievement were just a matter of playing until I got them all. Crabtacular I got by accident.
The point is, this is a game. There’s nothing involved here but a couple of achievements. Some people need to lighten up.
Right because what they’re doing is game-breaking. OMG someone got an achievement point. I got every single achievement without playing this way, btw, including winning a match. I simply lucked out on that, by getting into an arena early right after a reset, so I was one of two people in there for most of the match. The rest of the achievement were just a matter of playing until I got them all. Crabtacular I got by accident.
The point is, this is a game. There’s nothing involved here but a couple of achievements. Some people need to lighten up.
Is acceptable to get the same achievement point, by hacking? By your logic, there is no problem. It’s only for 1 achievement point, right? This is a game…
Rules are rules, and they are not to be bent, whatever the purpose (1 AP, or +9000AP) they are looked to.
Right because what they’re doing is game-breaking. OMG someone got an achievement point. I got every single achievement without playing this way, btw, including winning a match. I simply lucked out on that, by getting into an arena early right after a reset, so I was one of two people in there for most of the match. The rest of the achievement were just a matter of playing until I got them all. Crabtacular I got by accident.
The point is, this is a game. There’s nothing involved here but a couple of achievements. Some people need to lighten up.
Is acceptable to get the same achievement point, by hacking? By your logic, there is no problem. It’s only for 1 achievement point, right? This is a game…
Rules are rules, and they are not to be bent, whatever the purpose (1 AP, or +9000AP) they are looked to.
They weren’t hacking. They were cooperating, having fun, NOT breaking the game, NOT changing the auction house, NOT doing anything except having a good time. Pretty much what games are for.
Some enterprising person organized them. I’ve seen it in Keg Brawl too and I don’t particularly like it or do it myself, but that doesn’t mean I’m worried if someone else does it.
SPvP which is meant to be competitive, sure. I can go with that. Those battles should be fair and above board. A temporary minigame in an event that means nothing.
No big deal. If it affected the TP, I’d be all over it though.
So getting 1AP is okay, where do you draw the line? 10AP, 100AP, and a free dip into the RNG chest at the end of the match?
If it was meant to be a coop game, there would be teams.
Cheating is cheating.
As someone has already stated:
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https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/22. While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.
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This came from the rules!
Facts:
- Crab Toss is a Player VS Player gameplay minigame. Therefore is it ruled by the article 22 quoted above.
- Match manipulation is forbidden by the above rule.
- Players actions disrupted the OP gaming, through match manipulation as well as by insulting him.
Rules are Rules!
I am always in favor or upholding the rules, whatever they may be. Crab tossing match making rules violation is as important as hacking and as exploits. We can’t have a stance on one thing and a stance on others!
I understand why they did that, particularly from being bad at crab toss. But being bad, having huge latency or content being temporary don’t give anyone the freedom to break them.
I understand how trivial this may be and penalties would surely not exist. But, i am particular amazed how people are bashing on the OP because he stumbled upon a case of rules breaking, and yet he has the fault of not leaving! This is indeed pathetic!
I’m in the favor of having fun. Minigames aren’t SPvP and shouldn’t be held to the same standards.
I’m in the favor of having fun. Minigames aren’t SPvP and shouldn’t be held to the same standards.
I’m also in favor of having fun, as long as any rule hasn’t been broken.
Crab Toss is a form of Player VS Player. Maybe not Structured, but PvP still. Or we play with the rules or we don’t. Black or White! There isn’t a grey area here!
I honestly don’t blame them for what they were doing, crab toss sucks and the amount of points you needed to get the achievement would’ve meant staying in there for an extended period of time, time that you could spend farming. Though them insulting you is bad, you had the option to leave yet you stayed, for two matches and managed to win, so why are you complaining, you just beat them.
Honestly its crab toss, let them get their achievement points. Serious question, has anyone actually played keg brawl?
Serious question, has anyone actually played keg brawl?
i did. i played keg brawl before.
good fun!
but … there is so much things to do in guild wars 2.
at least for me.
and there are also other games that i need to explore as well.
I honestly don’t blame them for what they were doing, crab toss sucks and the amount of points you needed to get the achievement would’ve meant staying in there for an extended period of time, time that you could spend farming. Though them insulting you is bad, you had the option to leave yet you stayed, for two matches and managed to win, so why are you complaining, you just beat them.
Honestly its crab toss, let them get their achievement points. Serious question, has anyone actually played keg brawl?
I play keg brawl and I enjoy it. I’ve gotten pretty good, even with the latency. I’ve learned to anticipate a lot better. I’ll probably never be awesome, but I do fine. Score come goals, get some steals, a few interceptions.
Actually it’s become one of my favorite things to do to unwind.
Right because what they’re doing is game-breaking. OMG someone got an achievement point. I got every single achievement without playing this way, btw, including winning a match. I simply lucked out on that, by getting into an arena early right after a reset, so I was one of two people in there for most of the match. The rest of the achievement were just a matter of playing until I got them all. Crabtacular I got by accident.
The point is, this is a game. There’s nothing involved here but a couple of achievements. Some people need to lighten up.
I think you are missing the point.
What significance do these achievements have at all if players are just going to cheat to get them rather than playing legitimately?
None.
If you can earn these achievement simply by boosting, these achievements are completely pointless.
If everyone can get the achievement with no effort and boosting, the next time around Anet doesn’t even need to include another set of “achievements” like this one.
ESPECIALLY if there is a PvE reward like a backpiece involved in a PvP task.
All it does is breed hatred and anger in the player base.
I’m not even that worried about punishment and all this match manipulation stuff.
I’m hoping Anet sees this and either:
Makes the next set of achievements like this (for an upcoming events) non-boostable, so that players who earn them can actually feel accomplished… and the achievements actually mean something.
OR
Does not include another set of achievements or PvE rewards earned in a PvP setting so that we avoid players getting desperate and going at eachothers throats.
It is the situation that is screwed up, and not necessarily the players.
This angered you enough to post a forum thread about it? Crab toss isn’t even fun anyway, so If I was in your situation I would’ve jumped in on the achievement boosting.
Right because what they’re doing is game-breaking. OMG someone got an achievement point. I got every single achievement without playing this way, btw, including winning a match. I simply lucked out on that, by getting into an arena early right after a reset, so I was one of two people in there for most of the match. The rest of the achievement were just a matter of playing until I got them all. Crabtacular I got by accident.
The point is, this is a game. There’s nothing involved here but a couple of achievements. Some people need to lighten up.
I think you are missing the point.
What significance do these achievements have at all if players are just going to cheat to get them rather than playing legitimately?
None.
If you can earn these achievement simply by boosting, these achievements are completely pointless.
If everyone can get the achievement with no effort and boosting, the next time around Anet doesn’t even need to include another set of “achievements” like this one.
ESPECIALLY if there is a PvE reward like a backpiece involved in a PvP task.
All it does is breed hatred and anger in the player base.
I’m not even that worried about punishment and all this match manipulation stuff.
I’m hoping Anet sees this and either:
Makes the next set of achievements like this (for an upcoming events) non-boostable, so that players who earn them can actually feel accomplished… and the achievements actually mean something.
OR
Does not include another set of achievements or PvE rewards earned in a PvP setting so that we avoid players getting desperate and going at eachothers throats.It is the situation that is screwed up, and not necessarily the players.
I’m not missing the point at all. I get it. No achievement in any game really means anything. Have you played Guild Wars 1?
You could get the survivor achievement by vanquishing every area in hard mode without dying, or you could get it by fighting Kilroy for a weekend with no chance to die, unless you lag out or get kicked. The title Survivor had no meaning. But I did it the hard way and so it had meaning TO ME. I didn’t care how others did it.
In Guild Wars 1, it was possible to get runs through every single mission. If you had gold, which you could get by farming feathers, you could pay peoiple to run you through every mission. What does it mean? Does it make you uber? If did all the missions honestly (and I did), does that weaken my achievement?
I don’t care what other people do. Their points aren’t my points. It’s fine. I’m not their dad. They can play that way if they like. It’s not for me, but I can understand why someone would do it.
So if I wanted to play keg brawl and saw a bunch of people doing that, I’d either help them get their achievements so I could play or try to find a different arena. Because how other people get achievements doesn’t affect me at all.
Why are people here so adamant that people getting their achievements is so horrible? It’s something that was temporary, and so poorly designed that it wasn’t even fun. If people just want to get their achievements and titles before they permanently are not able to, who cares? The point remains that you don’t have to play with players that are doing this. Go to another room or don’t do the crab toss daily. Problem solved.
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I’m not missing the point at all. I get it. No achievement in any game really means anything. Have you played Guild Wars 1?
You could get the survivor achievement by vanquishing every area in hard mode without dying, or you could get it by fighting Kilroy for a weekend with no chance to die, unless you lag out or get kicked. The title Survivor had no meaning. But I did it the hard way and so it had meaning TO ME. I didn’t care how others did it.
In Guild Wars 1, it was possible to get runs through every single mission. If you had gold, which you could get by farming feathers, you could pay peoiple to run you through every mission. What does it mean? Does it make you uber? If did all the missions honestly (and I did), does that weaken my achievement?
I don’t care what other people do. Their points aren’t my points. It’s fine. I’m not their dad. They can play that way if they like. It’s not for me, but I can understand why someone would do it.
So if I wanted to play keg brawl and saw a bunch of people doing that, I’d either help them get their achievements so I could play or try to find a different arena. Because how other people get achievements doesn’t affect me at all.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree with this entire comment.
I played Guild Wars 1 for seven years, and I am no stranger to the title/achievement system in that game.
There are loads of titles that you couldn’t just buy your way through, and actually required quite a bit of work for you to achieve.
Over time, players were gradually given more and more and more ways to complete otherwise difficult title tracks as Guild Wars 2 Launch grew nearer.
Changes to LDoA, Survivor, etc.)
Even though you technically might be able to “buy your way through a mission” what is the point? All the missions in guild wars 1 were faceroll easy with heroes. So why even spend your money?
You are not going to have any cash if you don’t actually play the game for yourself… in which case it would be an even trade with time spent making money to spend on mission runs vs time spent actually doing the mission yourself.
Time spent is time spent.
Also, many titles in both Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 can be completely achieved with cold hard cash. To say that spending money on a title makes it easy is absurd.
Do you have T3 cultural armor for all the races?
Do you have the miniature collector title?
Do you have a legendary weapon?
Money and/or wealth distribution plays a large role in achievements. Arguably, almost all titles in Guild Wars 2, can be completed with cold hard cash. …and the ones that can’t are the ones that are achieved through grinding.
Exactly the same as Guild Wars 1.
Regardless of how you go about getting your achievements or titles, the bottom line is, you earned them…. whether it be through coin or through grind.
Boostable achievements are worthless to everyone.
Handing out “free achievement points” just causes AP inflation, and devalues AP in general.
You want to Max thirst slayer for 36AP at a cost of 700k karma and hours of clicking to buy/consume drinks? or u want to do Crab Toss achievements for 40AP in 5 minutes?
Receiving something for free is hardly considered an “achievement.”
These achievements have almost no place in the game, especially when people literally rage at players who step between them and their AP/Rewards….. JUST BY PLAYING THE GAME AS INTENDED.
To the OP: The players in that match had no right to trash talk you. If what they said to you was abusive enough, report them for it.
That said, if it’s obvious that a match is full of players who are cooperating to get their achievements, why not just leave the match and find another one? That’s what I do, and this is speaking as someone who’s earned all the Crab Toss achievements legitimately and goes in there almost daily for the Daily requirement. It’ll be faster and more efficient just to find a regular match, since cooperative matches like the one you came across are in the minority.
I think the people do it because of all the crab grab achievements, 3 only require time invested, and one requires only luck, combined with only being available for a few weeks.
The whole thing wouldnt have happened if crab grab was permanent. People just feel forced to get it done asap because the event will vanish, while otherwise they would casually play it as intended over the year to get it.
When did “troll” become a bad word?
> go into a crab toss game
> “everyone” is match fixing and ganging up
> place 1st or 2nd
Whenever I read these kinds of stories I take solace in knowing that it never happened. And on the unlikely chance that it actually happened as described, I’d argue you were farming completely incompetent noobs for an easy win, and were equally undeserving of any achievement points.
> go into a crab toss game
> “everyone” is match fixing and ganging up
> place 1st or 2ndWhenever I read these kinds of stories I take solace in knowing that it never happened. And on the unlikely chance that it actually happened as described, I’d argue you were farming completely incompetent noobs for an easy win, and were equally undeserving of any achievement points.
Nah I believe him. When I cooperated with others for achievements we would talk to the rogue guy trying win to get him to work with us, and during that time if they just ignore you they score alot of points. Starting out with insults hardly gets anyone to play nice so I bet they talked to him for a few minutes as well, and after that might or might not have insulted him for not cooperating.
> go into a crab toss game
> “everyone” is match fixing and ganging up
> place 1st or 2ndWhenever I read these kinds of stories I take solace in knowing that it never happened. And on the unlikely chance that it actually happened as described, I’d argue you were farming completely incompetent noobs for an easy win, and were equally undeserving of any achievement points.
You don’t have to believe anything I say, that’s your decision.
To outright call me a liar is downright rude.
Crab toss is just really easy to me. Every day when I enter to do my “Daily Champion” I usually win in the first match (provided that it is not already so far in progress that I do not have time to do so). After the match is over, I leave so that other players who need their daily can complete it.
If you don’t believe me, we can always try to get into a match together and I can give you some spanks. (or you can watch me win against the other players if you lack confidence in your own abilities.)
Good idea.
I cannot do crab toss despite numerous tries….so the secret is to get a group and take turns letting one win?
So far I hate the crab toss (just can’t twitch anymore), single player dungeon (can’t see what type the bombs are), and queen (can’t count on it working and it’s just plain overkill on the number of mobs…and on queen cant see anything but a screenful of explosions a minute after they actually occur while I’m dead…and why are there 2 pieces of green junk in the chest?)
Arena Net Removing “Crab Toss” from daily Achievement
—> Problem Solved <—
I wouldn’t call you a bad person.. just maybe a bit self-centered.. and in a way you tried to manipulate them as well…
Any how you won, gz.. move along.. no need to post it on the forum..
Think it was awesome that the people actually helped each other, that was this game is about.