Guild Wars 2

Spoilers****

We find out in Sea of Sorrows that Livia was still alive an astonishing many, many of years later, and was still the leader of the Shining Blade guarding the Queen.

As of GW2, something went awry and she is no longer the leader.(or she died) What happened?

“What if” something went down and she found out the queen was “corrupt” and did not want to serve her any longer and now wants her de-throned/killed. What if the Queen knew Livia knew her plans and removed her from the Shining Blade causing Livia to rebel against her.

Obviously she couldn’t come out about this to kryta as she would be marked as a traitor rebelling against the Queen and Livia is HUGE on serving kryta and protecting the hell out of it.

Maybe she knew that those people on the LA council were in on these plans and had them removed?

The scepter of Orr comes into play here. It can manipulate the hell out of stuff…it was once used to control the titans in the Ring of Fire, so I’m sure it can be used to control two factions into making an agreement for a time so Livia can hatch her plan. Dredge+Fire Legion, Pirates+Inquest

Maybe Scarlet(Livia) isn’t even an enemy after all. The queen may be corrupt and we need to help take her down. She does have that giant chunk of a bloodstone in her throne room which kinda weirds me out. Gives me a heavy white mantle feeling.

I’m not sure if it is known if the Scepter of Orr is still in Livia’s control, but let’s say for a moment that she does have it and during this Battle FOR Divinity’s Reach…she loses it or has it stolen and it gets into the hands of the white mantle.

Arenanet have said they want to use the White Mantle/Mursaat again in the future, but it has to be an epic entrance for such a popular and old school faction.

Although it is widely assumed that the Mursaat are in the Isles of Janthir up north, and the what’s left of the white mantle is in the Maguuma Jungle to the west. I would almost bet they would go back to ring of fire after getting the scepter and try to control the Titans again. Thus sending us there for the next big zone release next year.

Also, those Steampunk mobs that have been spawning with Aetherblades?

In 250 years, I could see Livia being able to master a new profession, and one of the professions that Anet wants to use pretty badly is the Chronomancer, maybe in 250 years, Livia has mastered the art, thus letting her bring stuff from the future and then manipulates it with the scepter of orr. This would also explain how she lived for such a LONG time. It could also just be her necromancy darks arts at work too.

Then again i could be all wrong, and Livia is dead/not scarlet, the scepter is missing, the Queen is good, and scarlet is an actual bad person.

We’re blatantly shown Scarlet during the opening of the pavilion, and people still think Livia might be Scarlet?

-shakes head in disbelief-

Also, Scarlet states pretty clearly that her beef is not just with the Queen, but with Kryta. And Livia loves Kryta. They have entirely opposite goals. Livia would die defending Kryta. She would do anything to protect the people of Kryta, and not attack them and try to disrupt their celebrations. And also, Livia got her hands on the Scepter of Orr. If anything could be a reason of her unnatural long life, it is that artifact.

First things first:
1)Livia is not a Sylvari. Scarlet (the suspicious figure is almost certainly her) is a sylvari.
2)Livia doesn’t have the Scepter of Orr anymore (according to Sea of Sorrows)
3)Livia loves Kryta, why would she want to see it burn?

Now onto more specific things….

“What if” something went down and she found out the queen was “corrupt” and did not want to serve her any longer and now wants her de-throned/killed. What if the Queen knew Livia knew her plans and removed her from the Shining Blade causing Livia to rebel against her.

Ok, why would she have “hard lessons” to teach to the people of Divinity’s Reach then? Rebel against the queen by harming all of Kryta (which she would sacrifice her own life for) isn’t something Livia would do.

Maybe Scarlet(Livia) isn’t even an enemy after all. The queen may be corrupt and we need to help take her down. She does have that giant chunk of a bloodstone in her throne room which kinda weirds me out. Gives me a heavy white mantle feeling.

Nothing says that the rock is a bloodstone.

Although it is widely assumed that the Mursaat are in the Isles of Janthir up north, and the what’s left of the white mantle is in the Maguuma Jungle to the west. I would almost bet they would go back to ring of fire after getting the scepter and try to control the Titans again. Thus sending us there for the next big zone release next year.

The mursaat never controlled the titans. They used the souls of the chosen to keep the door of komalie closed, to keep the titans trapped. Also, the Realm of Torment (where the titans come from) is now the Redeemed Realm (Kormir’s realm). They may not even exist anymore.

In 250 years, I could see Livia being able to master a new profession, and one of the professions that Anet wants to use pretty badly is the Chronomancer, maybe in 250 years, Livia has mastered the art, thus letting her bring stuff from the future and then manipulates it with the scepter of orr. This would also explain how she lived for such a LONG time. It could also just be her necromancy darks arts at work too.

Where does anet say they want the Chronomancer badly? Also, Livia isn’t the only person to achieve longevity. Does that mean they are all time travelling chronomancers?

Then again i could be all wrong, and Livia is dead/not scarlet, the scepter is missing, the Queen is good, and scarlet is an actual bad person.

bingo imo

perhaps

another thing is the Shining Blade is supposed to be the protector’s of the queen…but all of a sudden there is the Seraph Honor Guard who is now protecting the queen, and the watchknights to help protect as well….as if they are about to beef up for a big battle….and why are the shining blade suddenly gone, and not there to protect the queen in a dire time in the crown pavillion?

Mada.5319:

First things first:
1)Livia is not a Sylvari. Scarlet (the suspicious figure is almost certainly her) is a sylvari.
2)Livia doesn’t have the Scepter of Orr anymore (according to Sea of Sorrows)
3)Livia loves Kryta, why would she want to see it burn?

Now onto more specific things….

“What if” something went down and she found out the queen was “corrupt” and did not want to serve her any longer and now wants her de-throned/killed. What if the Queen knew Livia knew her plans and removed her from the Shining Blade causing Livia to rebel against her.

Ok, why would she have “hard lessons” to teach to the people of Divinity’s Reach then? Rebel against the queen by harming all of Kryta (which she would sacrifice her own life for) isn’t something Livia would do.

Maybe Scarlet(Livia) isn’t even an enemy after all. The queen may be corrupt and we need to help take her down. She does have that giant chunk of a bloodstone in her throne room which kinda weirds me out. Gives me a heavy white mantle feeling.

Nothing says that the rock is a bloodstone.

Although it is widely assumed that the Mursaat are in the Isles of Janthir up north, and the what’s left of the white mantle is in the Maguuma Jungle to the west. I would almost bet they would go back to ring of fire after getting the scepter and try to control the Titans again. Thus sending us there for the next big zone release next year.

The mursaat never controlled the titans. They used the blood of the chosen to keep the door of komalie closed, to keep the titans trapped. Also, the Realm of Torment (where the titans come from) is now the Redeemed Realm (Kormir’s realm). They may not even exist anymore.

In 250 years, I could see Livia being able to master a new profession, and one of the professions that Anet wants to use pretty badly is the Chronomancer, maybe in 250 years, Livia has mastered the art, thus letting her bring stuff from the future and then manipulates it with the scepter of orr. This would also explain how she lived for such a LONG time. It could also just be her necromancy darks arts at work too.

Where does anet say they want the Chronomancer badly? Also, Livia isn’t the only person to achieve longevity. Does that mean they are all time travelling chronomancers?

Then again i could be all wrong, and Livia is dead/not scarlet, the scepter is missing, the Queen is good, and scarlet is an actual bad person.

bingo imo

She’s not killing krytans yet…just interrupting celebrations in the krytan area, and the big one that is kitten ing her off is the one that shows support to the Queen. Aetherblades attacking Zephyr Sanctum though would be a little weird, unless she is trying to prevent the queen from having a krytan on the LA council and a trade partner with the supposed new protectors of Glint’s baby according to WoodenPotatoes

A Hard Lesson could be that “Hey, you’ve supported a corrupt Queen for 10 years”

Wrong about the Ring of Fire i will give you that…perhaps we head into the Maguuma Jungle

Nothing says that that isn’t part of a bloodstone either.

Jordo.5913:

A Hard Lesson could be that “Hey, you’ve supported a corrupt Queen for 10 years”

So she’s gonna give a “hard lesson” to people who don’t even know the queen is corrupt?

Nothing says that that isn’t part of a bloodstone either.

Except that it doesn’t look like any of the other ones? Bloodstones are red with black/grey bits. This one is white and gold.

Jordo.5913:

Nothing says that that isn’t part of a bloodstone either.

Does it leak magic? Does it affect anyone standing near it?

There’s your answer. It is not a Bloodstone. Besides, it would be far too dangerous to just have a Bloodstone out in the open, and to be sitting right on top of it. Not every mysterious stone in Tyria is a Bloodstone. A Bloodstone is a very specific kind of stone.

Literally everything you said in your post is wrong, except for the part where you state that you may be wrong.

Jordo.5913:

perhaps

another thing is the Shining Blade is supposed to be the protector’s of the queen…but all of a sudden there is the Seraph Honor Guard who is now protecting the queen, and the watchknights to help protect as well….as if they are about to beef up for a big battle….and why are the shining blade suddenly gone, and not there to protect the queen in a dire time in the crown pavillion?

Probably because Logan stated the Seraph will guard the queen, which then leaves the Shining Blade to conduct their investigations of who or what Scarlet is. While it is possible Scarlet isn’t the Sylvari we seen it is extremely unlikely these Scarlet=livia theories are anything more than pure fantasy.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Jordo.5913:

Nothing says that that isn’t part of a bloodstone either.

Does it leak magic? Does it affect anyone standing near it?

There’s your answer. It is not a Bloodstone. Besides, it would be far too dangerous to just have a Bloodstone out in the open, and to be sitting right on top of it. Not every mysterious stone in Tyria is a Bloodstone. A Bloodstone is a very specific kind of stone.

Literally everything you said in your post is wrong, except for the part where you state that you may be wrong.

jeez…half of what i said is probably wrong, there were like 20 “what ifs” in that theory.

Well it may not be livia but i can be sure it isn’t that sylvari either…

She was at the pavillion, with only one person to stop her from killing the queen. Countess Anise….watchknights were down, Logan was occupied, she was shrugging of Rox like she was nothing. That means she would shrug of the Seraph like nothing, no shining blade to be seen, and lead us on a goose chase that got us pretty far away from the Queen and she didn’t take that opportunity to strike?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

We’re blatantly shown Scarlet during the opening of the pavilion, and people still think Livia might be Scarlet?

-shakes head in disbelief-

We were? All I saw was a mysterious sylvari ; could be a henchmen of a crazed Livia.

Greyfur.1082:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

We’re blatantly shown Scarlet during the opening of the pavilion, and people still think Livia might be Scarlet?

-shakes head in disbelief-

We were? All I saw was a mysterious sylvari ; could be a henchmen of a crazed Livia.

While the Sylvari could be a lieutenant of Scarlet. Scarlet isn’t Livia it just some hypothesis that wasn’t well thought out.

So the poem said that Scarlet would burn Kryta. Livia would never burn Kryta unless she was an unusually adept dragon minion.

Secondly, she no longer has possession of the Scepter of Orr. When she lost possession and what she did while it was within her possession are unknown.

Thirdly, the mysterious figure, a red-skinned sylvari, is most likely Scarlet. Livia is not and never has been a plant. Thus Livia is likely not Scarlet.

In the end: Livia is not Scarlet. Livia would not write a poem like Scarlet wrote. Nor would she make graffiti saying “Scarlet was here” or draw little silly "x"s on the eyes of the Queen. We’re dealing with someone who views this all as a game, some kind of fun. I doubt a 270+ year old Livia would pretend harming Kryta and the Queen was a game.

Now that you mention it, Livia could be trying to scare Jenna into popping out an heir.

Joking aside, in Sea of Sorrows we know that the Shining Blade don’t protect the Ruler rather than the BLOODLINE of Kryta. Queen Jenna, as far as we know, is the last member of the Royal Krytan Bloodline. She has no heir. If she dies so does the bloodline. She needs to have a child, and with more and more dangers arising in Tyria, the bloodline is in jeopardy. While I don’t think Livia would attack LA and DR, I can see her going to great lengths to protect the Bloodline.

Also, we have no real idea who the suspicious figure is, she could be Scarlet, but she could just be another Aetherblade Captain like Mai Trin was.

Lastly, as far as we know none of the enemies we have fought in the living story are elder dragon related. The Molten Alliance and the Aetherblades aren’t dragon minions. I can see this sidetrack as a great way to bring in one of the Elder Dragons, or two. While the heroes of Tyria (who killed Zhaitan) are distracted with lesser enemies, an Elder Dragon would see that as a perfect time to attack and take out the potential threat before it become much worse.

Anyway, thats my 2c’s.

p.s For those who don’t know alread, Chronomancery was going to be in the 4th Gw1 campaign. That campaign was canceled because it was becoming a new evolution of the game and it would have changed Gw1 too much, so Anet whipped out EotN to tie up Gw1 and ready players for Gw2, which probably was influenced by that 4th campaign since EotN was.

Jordo.5913:

jeez…half of what i said is probably wrong, there were like 20 “what ifs” in that theory.

Well it may not be livia but i can be sure it isn’t that sylvari either…

She was at the pavillion, with only one person to stop her from killing the queen. Countess Anise….watchknights were down, Logan was occupied, she was shrugging of Rox like she was nothing. That means she would shrug of the Seraph like nothing, no shining blade to be seen, and lead us on a goose chase that got us pretty far away from the Queen and she didn’t take that opportunity to strike?

And we’re here to tell you that your “what ifs” are impossible/wrong. Spreading false information is a huge no no, the record has to be set straight.

Now, where does it ever say that Scarlet wants to kill the queen?

Mada.5319:

Jordo.5913:

jeez…half of what i said is probably wrong, there were like 20 “what ifs” in that theory.

Well it may not be livia but i can be sure it isn’t that sylvari either…

She was at the pavillion, with only one person to stop her from killing the queen. Countess Anise….watchknights were down, Logan was occupied, she was shrugging of Rox like she was nothing. That means she would shrug of the Seraph like nothing, no shining blade to be seen, and lead us on a goose chase that got us pretty far away from the Queen and she didn’t take that opportunity to strike?

And we’re here to tell you that your “what ifs” are impossible/wrong. Spreading false information is a huge no no, the record has to be set straight.

Now, where does it ever say that Scarlet wants to kill the queen?

i mean…usualy when you put X’s in the eyes of someones photo…i would suppose you want them dead

i guess next ur gonna say “Who says Scarlet did that?” or “So that’s the universal sign for wanting someone dead?”

Jordo.5913:

i mean…usualy when you put X’s in the eyes of someones photo…i would suppose you want them dead

Or you’re just defiling their poster as a prank.

Jordo.5913:

i guess next ur gonna say “Who says Scarlet did that?” or “So that’s the universal sign for wanting someone dead?”

If she wanted her dead, she would have drawn a noose around Jennah’s neck, or something similar. A couple of X’s over her eyes does not mean she wants her dead.

Why do people make threads without doing their homework. Sigh.

Livia would not want to hurt Kryta. She would die before harming it.

We all heard: “Why do I fight so hard for Kryta? You might as well question why I breathe. If I stop breathing, I’ll die. If I stop fighting my enemies, my world will die.” Plenty of times haha.

So that teleporting cheater NPC is scarlet?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Jordo.5913:

i mean…usualy when you put X’s in the eyes of someones photo…i would suppose you want them dead

Or you’re just defiling their poster as a prank.

Jordo.5913:

i guess next ur gonna say “Who says Scarlet did that?” or “So that’s the universal sign for wanting someone dead?”

If she wanted her dead, she would have drawn a noose around Jennah’s neck, or something similar. A couple of X’s over her eyes does not mean she wants her dead.

I agree with this Mad Queen Malafide, but as I did something didn’t feel right. The behaviour, the build-up, the poem… everything points to Scarlet and the Aetherblades being harbingers of doom and destruction.

And then they do something as childish as drawing faces on a poster of the queen… Suddenly I lose all sense of danger from this group.

Why the conflicting behaviour? Is Scarlet supposed to be the evil but not really type of villain?

So far Scarlet herself hasn’t been very conflicting at all. She defiles Jennah’s poster in a childish way. She writes a mocking poem. And she twirls her Sylvari mustache at everyone during the grand opening. Everything about that is pretty much in line with the character we’re presented. If that doesn’t seem like a harbringer of doom and destruction, then that is probably intentional.

So far she’s kinda like The Riddler. Childish, attention seeking, yet deadly with her crimes. What her true goal is, is anyone guess. The Aetherblades under her command seem a bit more ruthless. Although truth be told, Mai Trin was kind of funny like that as well.

Also, she’s Sylvari. We witness their childlike humor and behaviour across the game, as they are a very young race. I think this plays a lot into how she behaves.

Aisina.4963:

Also, she’s Sylvari. We witness their childlike humor and behaviour across the game, as they are a very young race. I think this plays a lot into how she behaves.

Arent all Sylvari’s conected via Tree Network stuff with the Pale Tree? I meant cant the oldest Sylvari might know who she is since it as access to all dreams?

Aeolus.3615:

Arent all Sylvari’s conected via Tree Network stuff with the Pale Tree? I meant cant the oldest Sylvari might know who she is since it as access to all dreams?

No. The Pale Tree is a large collection of the knowledge, emotions and experiences of various beings, shared with newborn Sylvari as they awaken (giving all Sylvari a vast amount of basic knowledge on birth, through the Dream of Dreams). But once they are awake, they are no longer directly connected to the Pale Tree, as far as I know.

I had to wiki the pale tree but i am now on another theory lol

Faolain – Also known as the Grand Duchess, she is the current leader of the Nightmare Court, and is attempting to lure her ex-lover, Caithe, to the Nightmare Court.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Faolain
or
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sariel

Evans.6347:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Jordo.5913:

i mean…usualy when you put X’s in the eyes of someones photo…i would suppose you want them dead

Or you’re just defiling their poster as a prank.

Jordo.5913:

i guess next ur gonna say “Who says Scarlet did that?” or “So that’s the universal sign for wanting someone dead?”

If she wanted her dead, she would have drawn a noose around Jennah’s neck, or something similar. A couple of X’s over her eyes does not mean she wants her dead.

I agree with this Mad Queen Malafide, but as I did something didn’t feel right. The behaviour, the build-up, the poem… everything points to Scarlet and the Aetherblades being harbingers of doom and destruction.

And then they do something as childish as drawing faces on a poster of the queen… Suddenly I lose all sense of danger from this group.

Why the conflicting behaviour? Is Scarlet supposed to be the evil but not really type of villain?

Actually the vibe I get is a very chaotic evil anarchist joker-type of villain (the defacing certainly shows that). They (or at least Scarlet) don’t only want to do the things they do, they want an audience as well. The first appearance was right in the big effigy burning ceremony in Lion’s Arch, when everyone was watching, then this Mysteriously Figure (Scarlet?) crashes into the pavillion opening ceremony with aparently no real objective other than to show off how even the highest level of security couldn’t keep them out, teases Rox into shooting her (even laughing when she’s “shot”) and then shows up in the center giving her little speech about spoiling her fun, and then the defacing and little poem.

What’s yet to be seen is whether they’re trying to create chaos for chaos’s sake, or whether there’s an actual objective to it all.

Aisina.4963:

Aisina.4963:

Also, she’s Sylvari. We witness their childlike humor and behaviour across the game, as they are a very young race. I think this plays a lot into how she behaves.

Arent all Sylvari’s conected via Tree Network stuff with the Pale Tree? I meant cant the oldest Sylvari might know who she is since it as access to all dreams?

The sylvari are directly connected to the tree until they are “born”, after that there’s still a connection but it’s a very faint one (a sylvari might feel the dead of another one they’re close to throught it, for example). Also, the sylvari personal story made it clear that there are sylvari that don’t come from the pale tree, and when Ronan found its seed it was in a cave with lots of other seeds, he only took one and planted it. For all we know, the mysterious figure (scarlett?) might come from another tree.

I was discussing Scarlet with my bf, considering the replies I got here, and he did bring up the point that Scarlet is all about anarchy. When thinking about it like that, most if not all events of the living story do have some consistency.

Flame and Frost, Return to Southsun, Dragon Bash and the following Bazaar. In all these parts the theme was creating chaos. The imminent attack on the Queens festivities is more of the same.

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