Guild Wars 2

She doesn’t seem to be Nightmare Court despite a penchant for pain and suffering and she’s way off the map for a dutiful daughter of the Pale Tree…

Soundless maybe?

She speaks…..

Not the same thing at all.

Go wander around the Sylvari starter zone for a while if you haven’t run into the Soundless before. Some of their casual dialogue is… alarming.

Soundless

She seems like the typical Nightare Courtier without a respect or need for authority or a specific focus on the Dream vs the Nightmare. Aside from that, she doesn’t seem that different from the Nightmare Court. Ceara is actually a lot more interesting than Scarlet.

I think she might be more like Malyk than a soundless. Se doesn’t seem to have had a dream, so far as we know, but that’s likely a “She had a dream but gives no kittens about its relevance and therefore doesn’t follow it” than outright not having one.

She also had that dream in the Asura test tube, in which she spoke to the mother tree, so there’s also that.

Shiren.9532:

She seems like the typical Nightare Courtier without a respect or need for authority or a specific focus on the Dream vs the Nightmare. Aside from that, she doesn’t seem that different from the Nightmare Court. Ceara is actually a lot more interesting than Scarlet.

Ceara is Scarlet…

Most of the soundless seem to be pacifists.

I think she’s a Nightmare Sylvari, but she’s simply not interested by the Court. She wouldn’t be the only Nightmare Sylvari in that case we can see ingame, by the way. People tends to mix up Nightmare Sylvari with the Nightmare Court, while the Court is actually just an organisation.

PetboyJoshua.3108:

I think she’s a Nightmare Sylvari, but she’s simply not interested by the Court. She wouldn’t be the only Nightmare Sylvari in that case we can see ingame, by the way. People tends to mix up Nightmare Sylvari with the Nightmare Court, while the Court is actually just an organisation.

I disagree. The Nightmare Court doesn’t care about the destiny part of a Sylvari’s life. They simply want to allow Sylvari to be their own pure race instead of what they are right now. The Pale Tree’s “dream” is a, in their mind, “polluted” ideal because it’s based off of Ventari’s teachings. Ventari is NOT a Sylvari, therefore the Nightmare Court believes that the Sylvari shouldn’t have to follow his words of wisdom.

Additionally, there are no “Nightmare Sylvari”. There is simply the Nightmare Court and the inhabitants (Sylvari of the Nightmare Court).

Scarlet, on the other hand, wishes to break free from Destiny. She does not care about the “pollution” of the Dream in any form or way. She simply wishes to allow all beings to break free from their destiny and do what they want to do, not what they were made to do (in a Sylvari’s case, the Dream urges them to do something specific. They all have a Wyld Hunt which they are urged to fulfill. It’s the Pale Tree guiding them along their path to fulfill their respective Destiny.)

So although Scarlet does, in some way, fight against the Dream, she fights against more than just the Dream; she fights against Destiny.

Ironically, she’s also fighting Destiny’s Edge. (This sentence means nothing, it’s a joke because I’m tired.)

“Additionally, there are no “Nightmare Sylvari”. There is simply the Nightmare Court and the inhabitants (Sylvari of the Nightmare Court).”

The Court has been created by Cadeyrn, as an organization with a precise goal, but the Nightmare was part of the Dream before, and so Sylvari were able to fall before, it’s just that it didn’t happen because… well, it’s not like they were a lot at this time. :’p

Also, you can actually see a non-courtier Nightmare Sylvari in the Snowden Drifts. I guess some pirates are Nightmare Sylvari also, who just don’t give a kitten about Ventari’s teaching and don’t want to be tied to the Court at all (but yeah, it’s just personal supposition here. The Nightmare Sylvari in the Snowden Drift, though, exists).
I think it’s just that the game focus around the Nightmare Court, but yeah, I don’t see any logical reason why there couldn’t be Nightmare Sylvari who aren’t part of the court.

Esplen.3940:

Soundless

Sounds like Dark Templar to me

Esplen.3940:

Shiren.9532:

She seems like the typical Nightare Courtier without a respect or need for authority or a specific focus on the Dream vs the Nightmare. Aside from that, she doesn’t seem that different from the Nightmare Court. Ceara is actually a lot more interesting than Scarlet.

Ceara is Scarlet…

I know, but her identity as Ceara was a lot more interesting than Scarlet. Scarlet seems to be evil just because, Ceara had a thirst for knowledge, an inquisitive nature, a drive and her journey, the answers she was seeking were a lot more interesting than “Die, die, die, die die”. Scarlet seems like a little girl with some powerful toys and she’s chucking a tantrum. Aside from Scarlet and her minions trying to kill people, there doesn’t feel like there is anything else going on. I don’t know why they are fighting and I don’t feel like I’m stopping something bigger than a simple bandit attack most of the time.

If you read the short story you would see she rejected both the Dream and Nightmare.

She isn’t soundless because she didn’t cut all ties with the Pale Tree, she just chose to mock and ignore her.

According to the story she can hear the voice of the pale tree, aren’t soundless supposed to not be able to listen to it at all?

The story specifically states she is not nightmare. She is soundless but not one of the soundless if that makes sense

Nike.2631:

Some of their casual dialogue is… alarming.

Why do you find it Alarming?

I wouldn’t say she’s a Soundless. Those Sylvari don’t feel the Dream (or they try to avoid it), but they were also not really shown to have an malice either. She also did communicate with the Pale Tree, and the Pale Tree knew of her.

I would say more she’s like the Nightmare Court, but rejects that authority as well. Scarlet very much wants to be the one in control of everything, including nature herself. She also appears to have very little concern for everyone outside of herself as well which is a bit unusual for a Sylvari. (Even the Nightmare Court just wants to convert Sylvari, not kill them.)

She saw the system of the world, specificly her race, and didnt like it. Most sylvari who dont like the whole deal with the Dream and Nightmare turn soundless, isolating themselves from it all (or trying to). Scarlet chose not to isolate herself from the system, but to change it. Unfortunately she chose to do it in the simplest way: Instead of tinkering with it subtly, experimenting, she just jumped at it with a steamhammer and a flamethrower, hoping if not expecting the next system that would evolve from the ashes to be more to her liking.

I get the impression that the Soundless aren’t pacifist out of some sort of shared ideal so much as because they just want to be left alone and not have to deal with other peoples thoughts and feelings and it’s pretty impossible to do that whilst fighting against them (either literally or by trying to change their minds).

Scarlet seems to share the feeling that she doesn’t like the current system, but unlike the Soundless she is seeking to change it rather than step outside of it.

She also seems a bit insane. I wonder if it’s a result of fighting against her ties to the Pale Tree and what part of her mind/soul says she should be doing, or maybe her lashing out like this is a symptom of some other illness.

In any case I’m really surprised we (or another character) haven’t been to ask the Pale Tree about her yet. It seems like she would have a lot of useful information. (But then I’m also constantly frustrated when my character doesn’t involve her Order in what she’s doing with the Living Story.)

The story of the transformation of Ceara into Scarlet reminds me quite a bit of the story of The Master in Doctor Who (new school series). For anyone who hasn’t seen it and likes epic storytelling, I’d highly recommend the series. If this story plays out to be anything close I’ll be happy.

Scarlet is the Jungle Elder Dragon. She’s a bit small, I give you that, but she has 2 wings on her head.

The funny thing is, she only saw the system, but not her own place in it. She just might be playing out her purpose that she never wanted to hear about or even consider.

lakdav.3694:

The funny thing is, she only saw the system, but not her own place in it. She just might be playing out her purpose that she never wanted to hear about or even consider.

I wrote about this in another thread. Since we don’t actually know her destiny, it’s only speculation but…

Scarlet is fighting against Destiny since it is her Destiny to fight against Destiny.

When she saw the Eternal Alchemy, she saw everyones place in life and couldn’t deal with it. She then saw her own Destiny and, in a moment of madness, did not realize it was her own Destiny and chose to accept it to break others free of their Destiny.