Guild Wars 2

Do we truly understand the mechanics of all of the invasion events?

When I was doing a Scarlet Minion portal event earlier with 1 other, we could not destroy spare parts fast enough a champion was created. About three others showed up and helped us take down the champion. Then for the subsequent spawns, we faced 2 more champions (1 each spawn). We maintained 5 people throughout.

If we had of had a larger group, a champion would not have been created through mergers and we would not have had to face a champion for the 2 spawns following.

Needless to say, it took forever to do that one portal event and the invasion as a whole failed miserably. Of course people instantly hopped on map chat and said that it must have been from too many people zerging. I never saw a zerg until our last fight before the invasion ended.

I saw a much higher rate of event successes in the first couple of days, before the “smaller is better” campaign started to sweep through the community.

That’s interesting. I wondered why we had 3 champions at one minion portal. That must be why. There wasn’t that many of us on the map. We barely managed to complete successfully.

That is interesting. So the question is: how can this information be used to generate and thus farm more champions?

It’s already being used. I mean, I don’t see that many people stomping the remains anymore. In Frostgorge this morning I saw a portal event with four silver Twisted Nightmares. Yeah, we just let that one go.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

It’s already being used. I mean, I don’t see that many people stomping the remains anymore. In Frostgorge this morning I saw a portal event with four silver Twisted Nightmares. Yeah, we just let that one go.

I assumed most people didn’t stomp because they were all too busy making sure they tagged all the mobs!

Lord Kuru.3685:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

It’s already being used. I mean, I don’t see that many people stomping the remains anymore. In Frostgorge this morning I saw a portal event with four silver Twisted Nightmares. Yeah, we just let that one go.

I assumed most people didn’t stomp because they were all too busy making sure they tagged all the mobs!

To be honest, it wasn’t full of a lot of people as it was like 6am CST

I’m pretty sure most people weren’t stomping because there was already stuff there, rather a lot of dense concentration of Twisted Reavers.

I don’t think champions can be “created” by scrap piles. 2 of the twisted minotaur looking creatures creates a veteran, and 2 veterans creates a Twisted Nightmare (a silver-ranked one, not a vet or a champ). Pretty sure that’s where it ends.

Not that the Silver ranked ones are any better than champs. From my experience the silver-rank ones are just as dangerous as Champs, just without the bonus loot and with a bit less health. And if a lot of the minotaurs spawn, then its almost impossible to stop them combining in a small group (even without scraps) since the vets have so much health and combining brings their health to full. I’ve been in small groups where 3 or more of the silver-rank Nightmares have been created, and it becomes an extremely daunting (if not impossible) task to take them out unless more players arrive.

I’m not really fond of the whole combining aspect in general. The minions building more minions from scrap piles isn’t too bad because the minions themselves aren’t THAT dangerous, but getting half a dozen vet minotaurs or a few silver Nightmares and being practically unable to do anything about it is a bit annoying.

That said, I have also experienced the phenomena where a single portal will spew 2-3 Champ Nightmares at a small group of players. Not via combining enemies, just through portal spawns. And I agree its pretty off, it seems sometimes that champ spawns are more common against small groups than large ones, and that doesn’t seem like it should be the case.

Electro.4173:

I don’t think champions can be “created” by scrap piles. 2 of the twisted minotaur looking creatures creates a veteran, and 2 veterans creates a Twisted Nightmare (a silver-ranked one, not a vet or a champ). Pretty sure that’s where it ends.

It definitely happened as a result of merging. I realized today, that when a “living” twisted minion initiates the morphing process, it uses all scrap in a given vicinity. In this case, there were easily over 6 piles of scrap (close proximity) that were gobbled up to make the Nightmare.

Did the created Champion give loot boxes? I have been led to believe that they do not, so fighting them is not very lucrative.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Did the created Champion give loot boxes? I have been led to believe that they do not, so fighting them is not very lucrative.

I honestly do not remember if that one dropped anything or not.

Electro.4173:

I don’t think champions can be “created” by scrap piles. 2 of the twisted minotaur looking creatures creates a veteran, and 2 veterans creates a Twisted Nightmare (a silver-ranked one, not a vet or a champ). Pretty sure that’s where it ends.

Not that the Silver ranked ones are any better than champs. From my experience the silver-rank ones are just as dangerous as Champs, just without the bonus loot and with a bit less health. And if a lot of the minotaurs spawn, then its almost impossible to stop them combining in a small group (even without scraps) since the vets have so much health and combining brings their health to full. I’ve been in small groups where 3 or more of the silver-rank Nightmares have been created, and it becomes an extremely daunting (if not impossible) task to take them out unless more players arrive.

I’m not really fond of the whole combining aspect in general. The minions building more minions from scrap piles isn’t too bad because the minions themselves aren’t THAT dangerous, but getting half a dozen vet minotaurs or a few silver Nightmares and being practically unable to do anything about it is a bit annoying.

That said, I have also experienced the phenomena where a single portal will spew 2-3 Champ Nightmares at a small group of players. Not via combining enemies, just through portal spawns. And I agree its pretty off, it seems sometimes that champ spawns are more common against small groups than large ones, and that doesn’t seem like it should be the case.

I’ve seen a couple of cases with a champion nightmare plus a full portal energy bar.
Also got one spawning last night when there was just 2 or 3 people(I only saw one other person when it spawned but there was maybe 2 other people around fighting the previous champion). This is definitely not from combining because there weren’t any scrap piles left while fighting the previous champ and I finished off anything that spawned while fighting the previous champion.

I was actually starting to wonder if ANET was adjusting the difficulty of the invasion events so that they do in fact fail more than succeed.

This way when they continue further on, they’ll last longer and be more difficult? Just a thought I had.

It’s RNG as always with GW2.

When Twisted Nightmare spawn they can just be normal ones, veterans or champs. Sometimes there is a champ right away from the start.

The possibility for a minion champ spawning just increases the more people are near the event. Finishing or not finishing minions has no impact on the probabilty of minion champ spawning.

The more people the more likely a minion champ will spawn. That’s all.

shauncoates.6874:

Brother Grimm.5176:

Did the created Champion give loot boxes? I have been led to believe that they do not, so fighting them is not very lucrative.

I honestly do not remember if that one dropped anything or not.

I’ve killed a lot of Champion Twisted Nightmares, and have always gotten a box drop.

I believe a dev said that the champions come directly from the portals, which is why tagging those will get you credit for doing the map. Killing generated mobs don’t count.