WHERE was the Order of Whispers!?

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Posted by: Kovac.4372

Kovac.4372

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/short-story-what-scarlet-saw/?utm_source=client

I just finished reading the new short story about Ceara/Scarlet and well, I just couldn’t help but wonder.

A sylvari sapling, mastered all the Grove had to offer …after that Hoelbrak and the the Black Citadel. And if this hadn’t drawn attention, an unprecedented event happened after that at Rata Sum – a sylvari had been accepted to a College. AND IF THIS hadn’t drawn attention, this sylvari finishing off all of the Colleges in record time would have kittening drawn attention of the Order of Whispers! .. ok it didn’t…

Then she joined the Inquest – OK NOW SHE DEFINITELY EARNED TO BE TAGGED … or … not?

Really? I refuse to believe that the Order of Whispers wouldn’t approach this brilliant individual (and if she was approached, why did she refuse to join them – they have so much knowledge at disposal. So I guess she wasn’t approached) OR at least I refuse to believe they didn’t have constant surveillance on her. Yet if they did, why wasn’t she recognized as a threat – how was she allowed to advance so much, how did any of her factions become such a threat?

No … it makes so little sense, that I just have to assume ArenaNet didn’t remember the Order of Whispers existed or they just chose to ignore them, thinking we players won’t notice or won’t care.

And I’m a little disappointed…

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Posted by: Elbegast.6970

Elbegast.6970

What are you rambling on about?

EDIT: And Sylvari do not have ‘saplings’.

(edited by Elbegast.6970)

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Posted by: Linguistically Inept.6583

Linguistically Inept.6583

What are you rambling on about?

logic

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Posted by: Denial Of Service.5732

Denial Of Service.5732

What are you rambling on about?

something it seems you are blind enough to grasp but dont worry, soon when you grow older you will remove your blindfold.

@OP if i were you id give up on Story writters it seems they are not payed enough and fanboys will white knight them saying its “lighthearted content”.

or … (OoW) they were cast under a spell! booo Sorcery!!!!!

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Posted by: Nilkemia.8507

Nilkemia.8507

Pretty much the last thing any of the Pact ever did in the Living Story was in Flame and Frost…and that was just one undercover agent from the Order of Whispers (who didn’t really find out much) and the Vigil (who also didn’t do much besides get the audio logs and find the facilities for us to break in).

I just find it hard to believe that they just threw her out afterwards, and no one, not the Order of Whispers, not the Arcane Eye, not the Durmand Priory, tried to keep an eye on her or recruit her afterwards. We just let her sign up with the bad guys. (The same bad guys who up to now considered sylvari little more than walking kindling, in Zojja’s words.) And she managed to avoid being found by hanging out in Michotl Grounds? Really?

And finally, while her teacher may have had good intent, letting back someone who has worked with the Inquest and is already going off the deep end isn’t the best idea.
Can’t say I didn’t see that coming. Once again, a professor was killed and it doesn’t come up at all?

While I’ve been okay with the invasions and achievements and the events for the most part, the story behind all this is really nonsensical and inconsistent with her actions after revealing herself, if she is indeed behind the Molten Alliance and the Aetherblades.

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Posted by: Namica.2951

Namica.2951

A-net doesn’t care about established lore.

They only care about pirates.

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Posted by: Elbegast.6970

Elbegast.6970

What are you rambling on about?

something it seems you are blind enough to grasp but dont worry, soon when you grow older you will remove your blindfold.

@OP if i were you id give up on Story writters it seems they are not payed enough and fanboys will white knight them saying its “lighthearted content”.

or … they were cast under a spell! booo Sorcery!!!!!

How old do I need to be? I, unlike most of my other contemporaries, remember the 1970s. And what is meant, exactly, by ‘blind enough to grasp’?

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Posted by: Kovac.4372

Kovac.4372

And Sylvari do not have ‘saplings’.

I think my sylvari character has been called “sapling” many times in game by other sylvari. Or if my memory got mixed up, several sylvari definitely did call another sylvari “sapling”.

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Posted by: Elbegast.6970

Elbegast.6970

And Sylvari do not have ‘saplings’.

I think my sylvari character has been called “sapling” many times in game by other sylvari. Or if my memory got mixed up, several sylvari definitely did call another sylvari “sapling”.

I only play Sylvari and have never heard a ‘sapling’ reference. I have 3 Sylvari, currently.

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Posted by: Kovac.4372

Kovac.4372

And Sylvari do not have ‘saplings’.

I think my sylvari character has been called “sapling” many times in game by other sylvari. Or if my memory got mixed up, several sylvari definitely did call another sylvari “sapling”.

I only play Sylvari and have never heard a ‘sapling’ reference. I have 3 Sylvari, currently.

“Steady, sapling. You just woke. You were calling out in your Dream.” -sylvari Mender Serimon

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EDIT: Actually no, this is:

“Caithe: For the sake of the land. For the sake of the Pale Tree. Come to me sapling; I need your assistance. "

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

What are you rambling on about?

logic

Counter-question:

How do we know the Order of Whispers isn’t aware of her background? All we know is they haven’t acted yet . . . which can be handled with two reasons (mutually exclusive):

- If the Living Story happens after the Personal Story, then the Order is probably working on establishing the next easy target among the dragons and expending effort in that direction. They probably were not watching someone who did not appear to be an immediate threat. Of course, by now there’s probably up to a dozen agents putting pieces together.

- If the Living Story happens concurrently with the Personal Story, the Order might be . . . slightly busy currently.

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Posted by: Kovac.4372

Kovac.4372

What are you rambling on about?

logic

Counter-question:

How do we know the Order of Whispers isn’t aware of her background? All we know is they haven’t acted yet . . . which can be handled with two reasons (mutually exclusive):

- If the Living Story happens after the Personal Story, then the Order is probably working on establishing the next easy target among the dragons and expending effort in that direction. They probably were not watching someone who did not appear to be an immediate threat. Of course, by now there’s probably up to a dozen agents putting pieces together.

- If the Living Story happens concurrently with the Personal Story, the Order might be . . . slightly busy currently.

The Molten alliance gives strength to the Flame Legion which could threaten the charr-human peace treaty. The Aetherblades threaten Lion’s Arch, a place of unity among races in a Dragon infested Tyria and during a time where the Pact is about to form, is being formed or is newly formed.

And if that isn’t enough, the Queen of Kryta is in peril and so is the capital city of the human species on Tyria.

I think the Dragons are a less of an immediate threat and the Order’s resources would in reality be pointed elsewhere.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

What are you rambling on about?

logic

Counter-question:

How do we know the Order of Whispers isn’t aware of her background? All we know is they haven’t acted yet . . . which can be handled with two reasons (mutually exclusive):

- If the Living Story happens after the Personal Story, then the Order is probably working on establishing the next easy target among the dragons and expending effort in that direction. They probably were not watching someone who did not appear to be an immediate threat. Of course, by now there’s probably up to a dozen agents putting pieces together.

- If the Living Story happens concurrently with the Personal Story, the Order might be . . . slightly busy currently.

The Molten alliance gives strength to the Flame Legion which could threaten the charr-human peace treaty. The Aetherblades threaten Lion’s Arch, a place of unity among races in a Dragon infested Tyria and during a time where the Pact is about to form, is being formed or is newly formed.

And if that isn’t enough, the Queen of Kryta is in peril and so is the capital city of the human species on Tyria.

I think the Dragons are a less of an immediate threat and the Order’s resources would in reality be pointed elsewhere.

Very good points, and it really does depend on where in comparison to the Personal Story we are. Also, if you recall? There were Order agents in the Molten Alliance looking up things and none of them had yet determined Scarlet was involved; quite possibly because she wasn’t directly and constantly involved beyond setting things in motion.

Either that or the agents (I can tell of two for certain, but I suspect three to five based on my gut) never were able to penetrate that deeply without getting caught. They’re good, but they’re not perfect.

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Posted by: Nilkemia.8507

Nilkemia.8507

Even before the fight against Zhaitan, the 3 orders were already dealing with threats that could undermine their fight against the dragons, and threats to the peace in Tyria. And with an insane sylvari at the head of it all, I’m surprised we’ve heard nothing of Trehearne during all this. I’m sure if he knew about this, he’d want to do something about it.

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Posted by: DanteZero.9736

DanteZero.9736

What are you rambling on about?

logic

Counter-question:

How do we know the Order of Whispers isn’t aware of her background? All we know is they haven’t acted yet . . . which can be handled with two reasons (mutually exclusive):

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This. This times a thousand. It seems at least to me that the order would be keeping tabs and watching carefully. Or, they could have been fooled by Scarlet. I would assume that the developers would reveal this information as time goes on. The fact that we are introduced to Scarlet properly (instead of being hinted at by a dredge or mentioned in name only by Mai) means more is going to happen as the weeks go by.

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Posted by: KyoHanakaze.8145

KyoHanakaze.8145

What are you rambling on about?

logic

Counter-question:

How do we know the Order of Whispers isn’t aware of her background? All we know is they haven’t acted yet . . . which can be handled with two reasons (mutually exclusive):

- If the Living Story happens after the Personal Story, then the Order is probably working on establishing the next easy target among the dragons and expending effort in that direction. They probably were not watching someone who did not appear to be an immediate threat. Of course, by now there’s probably up to a dozen agents putting pieces together.

- If the Living Story happens concurrently with the Personal Story, the Order might be . . . slightly busy currently.

We know that Scarlet’s training, at least for the most part, was prior to the personal story; at the part of the short story where she breaks into the records for the Inquest, it mentions the Snaff Prize which is your first personal story mission as an Asura.

We can also assume th eliving story takes part AFTER the living story, as the Dragon Bash also celebrates to some extent the defeat of Zhaitan, and Eir’s position in Hoelbrak during the Molten Alliance LS is much better than her standing during the start of your personal story.

So between the start and the end of your personal, you’d think they noticed. :P

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Posted by: Denial Of Service.5732

Denial Of Service.5732

What are you rambling on about?

logic

Counter-question:

How do we know the Order of Whispers isn’t aware of her background? All we know is they haven’t acted yet . . . which can be handled with two reasons (mutually exclusive):

snip

This. This times a thousand. It seems at least to me that the order would be keeping tabs and watching carefully. Or, they could have been fooled by Scarlet. I would assume that the developers would reveal this information as time goes on. The fact that we are introduced to Scarlet properly (instead of being hinted at by a dredge or mentioned in name only by Mai) means more is going to happen as the weeks go by.

Define me “properly” for me it felt something like this..

“hey gais u see this sylvari she is smart but EVIL! surpassed even the Asurans! but EVIL!!”
Scarlet:" hoooo im evil and bad and crazy look boooo waaa, Die Die Die".

sorry, but this doesnt cut it for me.

She doesnt even feel “smart” just batsh— insane i dont even know how the AB could trust in her.

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Posted by: Rosen Myst.7641

Rosen Myst.7641

According to the story, the pale tree knows about Scarlet’s plans and even tells her not to go further in her pursuits. You would think the Pale Tree might have mentioned this to Trahearne or someone. Scarlet is obviously as great a threat to Tyria as Zhaitan, yet the Pale Tree just lets Scarlet go about her evil ways without a word to anyone??

Although the story is interesting, it does seem to have been written without taking into account existing lore, personal story missions, the fact she’s never mentioned by anyone although she has accomplishments that surpass those of the greatest minds in Tyria.

But of course it can all be easily explained away: She is recreating the universe and omitting the things she doesn’t want revealed…..“poof” no more problems with the story making sense against the background of Tyria.

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Posted by: nglcpyro.4906

nglcpyro.4906

According to the story, the pale tree knows about Scarlet’s plans and even tells her not to go further in her pursuits. You would think the Pale Tree might have mentioned this to Trahearne or someone. Scarlet is obviously as great a threat to Tyria as Zhaitan, yet the Pale Tree just lets Scarlet go about her evil ways without a word to anyone??

IV. All things have a right to grow. The blossom is brother to the weed.
V. Never leave a wrong to ripen into evil or sorrow
The Nightmare Court is a threat though currently focused on sylvari whilst the other ‘non standard’ sylvari Canach was dealt with. My guess is although Scarlet (and Canach’s) vision of how they wanted to change the world might have started well, something changed causing their goal to remain the same, but the means became more ‘twisted’. Forgot what happened to Canach for change to happen.. Think he got captured or something. So in that respect, they’re not evil at all as their end goals aren’t to wipe out living life like the dragons but to simply improve the world as they see fit and unless Ventari’s Tablet commandments are opposed beyond reasonable doubt, the Pale Tree deems it OK … Different but OK.

Did give a warning when Scarlet was undergoing her transformation exploring the metaphysical universe as at the end of the day, she is her child and just had to make sure she didn’t end up trying to wipe ALL living things. The Pale Tree is weird like that simply because of the above two commandments so Scarlet is nothing more than a weed who must be allowed to exist in the world and is essentially needed to be in line with the tablet plus I’m sure the Pale Tree is sick of Trahearne as much as we all are!

Regarding OoW’s non involvement, maybe they had no interest in her as she was more of a Durmand Priory type or if they did know, for whatever reason let her be though this is assuming the orders haven’t been mentioned for a reason rather than being forgotten they exist out of the personal story, which I feel is true in the vast majority of the living story overall.

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Posted by: Seven Star Stalker.1740

Seven Star Stalker.1740

To be fair, it’s quite possible that we might see order movement in the next patch involving Scarlet (whenever that will be).

I can see what you mean though, OP. it seems unlikely that not a single person would follow up on her, and really we haven’t seen any Order involvement since F/F, which is odd because you’d think the order would be more focused on hyper advanced technopirates than your cutjaws or corvington n00brates.

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