Guild Wars 2

None of the updates in the game besides the base game have mentioned anything about Sylvari or Nightmare or Meguumi Jungle. Every other race has gotten at least a little spot-light.

I don’t know if you noticed or not, but it’s looking like our main villain who is running the entire aetherblade show (And who is also inferred to be behind the molten alliance) Is a Sylvari.

It’s also worth noting that nightmare court usually only target other Sylvari (since the pain/suffering of other races isn’t reflected in the dream, making it not really that useful) So who knows what this particular Sylvari’s deal is. She’s special. I’m looking forward to it.

Well, the whole LS gets more and more “open questions” that can hardly be solved altogether. I’m fearing that some of them just end up forgotten.

Some examples:
Leader of the Molten Facility?
Consortium? Bad or not? Only corrupt or also behind some crime actions?
Leader of Aether Pirates? Thought it was May Lin, but apparently they still have some commanders (Sylvari – or is she even the leader?)
Who’s this “E”?

What I want to say is:
We don’t know if this Sylvari is the main antagonist or just another commander that will gets arrested at the end of the update.

Thanathos.2063:

Well, the whole LS gets more and more “open questions” that can hardly be solved altogether. I’m fearing that some of them just end up forgotten.

Some examples:
Leader of the Molten Facility?
Consortium? Bad or not? Only corrupt or also behind some crime actions?
Leader of Aether Pirates? Thought it was May Lin, but apparently they still have some commanders (Sylvari – or is she even the leader?)
Who’s this “E”?

What I want to say is:
We don’t know if this Sylvari is the main antagonist or just another commander that will gets arrested at the end of the update.

So yeah, all we get of the entire content.. no weapons, no armor, no story. Just a villain that isn’t even a Nightmare Courtier, sounds like the end of Southsun where the villain was some crazy dreamer.

Thanathos.2063:

Leader of Aether Pirates? Thought it was May Lin, but apparently they still have some commanders (Sylvari – or is she even the leader?)

Mai Trin stated at the end of the aetherblade dungeon, “This has all gone to crud. Scarlet’s gonna have my noggin for screwing up.”

So there is someone who was a higher up than her, by the name of Scarlet.

The only reason I think she’s for real the end boss this time is because of how secretive A.Net is being about this release, as well as the inferred suggestions that this will finally bring everything they’ve been doing since F&F Back together. It fits just from a storytelling pacing kind of sense. But other than that, you’re right, there really isn’t any evidence that this can’t just be another throw-away villian.

As someone who’s mightily sick of the “kewl” semi-pirates of Lion’s Arch and the even “kewler” Steampunk pirates, I don’t think merely having a sylvari in a story doesn’t mean anything if the character does not ACT like a sylvari. The same applies to charr, norn, asura … if they dress like humans and live like humans, they’re essentially just humans in funny suits. That’s why I enjoy the brief early cultural story arcs far more than the rest of the persona story AND all of the living story put together: immersion in a culture as part of that culture. All the rest is so generic I can barely be bothered to play it once, much less with alts.

So I definitely hope for future story content that explores individual cultures more. Humans, eh — I don’t care for them, and they were the worst choice to focus on first IMO because the last months were all about humans and human-themed Lion’s Arch already, but anything is better than yet more semi-pirates. Sadly, the bloody Steampunk pirates keep stealing the show still.

I wouldn’t mind more Sylvari. I feel really left out as a plant-man…

After what Trahearne did to MY story, I’m pretty sure I don’t wanna see another salad thug in the spotlight again.

If they’re more like Seiran (who seems to be designed back when Anet still considered Sylvari to be kinda outthere, instead of green supermen), then by all means add them. She’s the only Sylvari I actually like.

After what Trahearne did to MY story, I’m pretty sure I don’t wanna see another salad thug in the spotlight again.

Trahearne has the personality of a pot plant. I dunno about you but to me that seems like it’s spot on.

Just wait for when Mordremoth comes looking for his old buddy, the Pale Tree. Then you’ll have more salad to deal for than you could ever imagine :p

They can only do so many story focuses at a time. I am sure the Sylvari will get their day. You can’t expect them to do everything at once.

Daecollo.9578:

None of the updates in the game besides the base game have mentioned anything about Sylvari or Nightmare or Meguumi Jungle. Every other race has gotten at least a little spot-light.

Canach and Scarlet are both sylvari. They’re getting a spotlight, just as villains.

It would be fun to know more about the sylvari who didn’t come from the pale tree

JakeG.9620:

It would be fun to know more about the sylvari who didn’t come from the pale tree

I think we’re going to have to wait until the Mordremoth expansion to get the juicy details on them.

Thanathos.2063:

Well, the whole LS gets more and more “open questions” that can hardly be solved altogether. I’m fearing that some of them just end up forgotten.

Some examples:
Leader of the Molten Facility?
Consortium? Bad or not? Only corrupt or also behind some crime actions?
Leader of Aether Pirates? Thought it was May Lin, but apparently they still have some commanders (Sylvari – or is she even the leader?)
Who’s this “E”?

What I want to say is:
We don’t know if this Sylvari is the main antagonist or just another commander that will gets arrested at the end of the update.

I think the manipulator behind the Molten Alliance is going to be revealed (or implied) to be Scarlet. Scarlet is the leader of the Aetherblades (or at least a senior member). The mysterious figure from the Opening Ceremony is Scarlet. Maybe Scarlet is the nemesis that we’ve been waiting for?

The consortium were never arrested for anything and they exist in a morally grey area, I think ArenaNet is happy to leave it at that. At the very least, they are not an evil faction, just shady businessmen (similair to how Evon was portrayed).

E seems to be linked to Scarlet somehow. With Scarlet finally making her official appearance, it would seem that E won’t be far behind. Whatever happens with the speech update, I expect it to involve Kasmeer and Marjory. Hopefully this will lead us to more information about E.

I don’t think questions are being forgotten. I just think maybe the story was biding time until August where they could really start telling the real story. They’ve established Rox and Braham as characters. They’ve establish Marjory and Kasmeer and set up plots to involve them in the current mysteries. They’ve established the Aetherblades and Scarlet as a mysterious organisation that poses some threat. Now it’s time for the pay off.

Canach and (probably) Scarlet are sylvari. If Scarlet is a sylvari, maybe her back story will bring us back to Maguuma. We are also missing an important asuran protagonist (maybe Zorpp, Noll or Levvi, who knows). Canach could return as a sort of anti-hero on a quest for redemption, or E could turn out to be a sylvari and he might have a past with Scarlet.

Scarlet isn’t a Nightmare Courtier. She doesn’t seem to be a dreamer either.

Daecollo.9578:

Scarlet isn’t a Nightmare Courtier. She doesn’t seem to be a dreamer either.

Sylvari might be born not only from the Pale Tree.

But, well, I probably missed something, who is “E”?

Daecollo.9578:

Scarlet isn’t a Nightmare Courtier. She doesn’t seem to be a dreamer either.

So… A soundless that went nuts/evil?
Or maybe there is more to Sylvari than just being a Courtier, Dreamer and Soundless. I would like to know more about Scarlet.

Gabby.3205:

Daecollo.9578:

Scarlet isn’t a Nightmare Courtier. She doesn’t seem to be a dreamer either.

So… A soundless that went nuts/evil?
Or maybe there is more to Sylvari than just being a Courtier, Dreamer and Soundless. I would like to know more about Scarlet.

She isn’t a courtier, because shes doing nothing to spread Nightmare, courtiers and Nightmare influenced Sylvari all have urges to spread it, which means capturing dreamers and converting them, or attacking the Pale Tree in an attempt to turn her as well. She also wouldn’t be so involved with other races, because honestly the Court has no interest in them, they don’t see the truth.

She is way too involved with humans. She seems soundless more then anything, or a part of another tree altogether.

She isn’t a dreamer, because honestly … well look at her intentions, mother would not accept such a thing!

I’m hoping they lead into a whole living story about *Minor Spoiler* the other pale tree from which Malyck came. That part of the personal story never really went anywhere. He just went off to find his home and hopefully convince the others (if there were any) to help in our fight against the Nightmare Court and the dragons.

Daecollo.9578:

She isn’t a dreamer, because honestly … well look at her intentions, mother would not accept such a thing!

Ya know…. I’m not so sure about that….

The Nightmare court’s object is to free the sylvari from Ventari’s teachings. They’re doing so by changing the dream, feeding the Nightmare therin. Basically removing what they view as “Super religious mumbo-jumbo being taught in our schools!”

What if Scarlet here is the first sign of success? Not from the Nightmare court, with a purpose to corrupt the dream, and not a Follower of the Venntari’s teachings, but a… A middling. To make a joke of it, “A strong Independent Sylvari that don’t need no Centaur Philosophers.”

Could be the beginning of a very harsh look at what’s going over on in magumma

codingCaptor.9428:

Daecollo.9578:

She isn’t a dreamer, because honestly … well look at her intentions, mother would not accept such a thing!

Ya know…. I’m not so sure about that….

The Nightmare court’s object is to free the sylvari from Ventari’s teachings. They’re doing so by changing the dream, feeding the Nightmare therin. Basically removing what they view as “Super religious mumbo-jumbo being taught in our schools!”

What if Scarlet here is the first sign of success? Not from the Nightmare court, with a purpose to corrupt the dream, and not a Follower of the Venntari’s teachings, but a… A middling. To make a joke of it, “A strong Independent Sylvari that don’t need no Centaur Philosophers.”

Could be the beginning of a very harsh look at what’s going over on in magumma

We already know that there are many Silvari that have nothing to do with either the Pale Tree or the Nightmare Court. They live deep in the Maguuman Jungle and are most likely influenced only by Mordremoth. That Aetherblade Sylvari is definitely not any kind of “beginning”…

*Maguuma Jungle.

And Scarlet could move it to the sylvary direction. Thay can’t rotate it as 1 from everything and then repeat. The need some charr, some norn, some LA, some break, some human and so on. Everything will have its time i’m sure.

Scarlet, the evil Sylvari from Malyck’s version of the pale tree. THAT would be a great story! Magus Falls – new zone! THAT would excite me. She better have a tonne of depth, I’m excited to meet her. Please don’t let her be as dull as Canach!

Daecollo.9578:

Gabby.3205:

Daecollo.9578:

Scarlet isn’t a Nightmare Courtier. She doesn’t seem to be a dreamer either.

So… A soundless that went nuts/evil?
Or maybe there is more to Sylvari than just being a Courtier, Dreamer and Soundless. I would like to know more about Scarlet.

She isn’t a courtier, because shes doing nothing to spread Nightmare, courtiers and Nightmare influenced Sylvari all have urges to spread it, which means capturing dreamers and converting them, or attacking the Pale Tree in an attempt to turn her as well. She also wouldn’t be so involved with other races, because honestly the Court has no interest in them, they don’t see the truth.

She is way too involved with humans. She seems soundless more then anything, or a part of another tree altogether.

She isn’t a dreamer, because honestly … well look at her intentions, mother would not accept such a thing!

She’s not exclusively interested in humans. She tried to get Mai Trin on the Captain’s Council, which shows an interest in Lion’s Arch. If she was the silver-tongued person behind the Molten Alliance, she’s also interested in creating problems for the charr and the norn.

Scarlet might be a big picture thinker. Rather than just capturing a single sylvari, she could be trying to break up the racial alliances, or at least weaken them. Assassinating Jennah hurt the human/charr alliance and the Molten Alliance were supposedly a big problem for the charr and the norn. Creating that many problems all over Tyria has got to have more damaging ripples for the sylvari than just torturing a few dreamers.

loving the theories going on here…. but I’m going mildly off topic and going to throw in that I want more plant armor!

The only plant armor in the entire game is either cultural or from TA… that is a fraction of the total armor in the game. Sylvari need more love in the armor department.

Yes of course they can wear the other armor in the game… but I know many others who feel the way I do. I am playing a Sylvari BECAUSE they are unique plant people – therefore I want to dress them in plant clothing!

She isn’t a courtier, because shes doing nothing to spread Nightmare, courtiers and Nightmare influenced Sylvari all have urges to spread it, which means capturing dreamers and converting them, or attacking the Pale Tree in an attempt to turn her as well. She also wouldn’t be so involved with other races, because honestly the Court has no interest in them, they don’t see the truth.

=> Nightmare court is actually just an “organization” of Nightmare Sylvari. So, don’t forget that there’s Sylvari that have fallen to the Nightmare, but aren’t courtiers at all. You can see at least one for sure ingame, in the Shiverpeaks. She’s called Noxia and is the helper of a crazy raven shaman.
So, yeah. We always say Nightmare courtiers, but there’s “bad” Sylvaris that aren’t part of the court, and people tend to forget that. Just because we mostly see Nightmare courtiers doesn’t mean every fallen Sylvari have the urge to join the court.
As well as there’s dreamers that probably don’t care about Ventari’s teaching, while not being villains or soundless.

Give it time. I think it be kind of silly if a group appeared and disappeared in only a few weeks. I imagine once the aether blades are over some even darker group will arise. who knows make that theory of the pale tree being an elder dragon will be true and the nightmare courts just the evil side and whole expansion will be based around that.

I laughed at Meguumi jungle

Wait, when did we find out scarlet is a sylvari?

You can see her face a little in the pavillion cut scene – it’s green.

OH I didn’t realize that was scarlet, cool.

Well… it hasn’t been confirmed… but that is the general consensus of speculation.

Scarlet is green and not red? C’mon sometimes you should play to the cliche…