Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
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Darkhaven Commander
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(edited by Arius.7031)
Does Trahearne ruin the personal story?
2. Trahearne’s the leader of The Pact, not you! So it’s not about you.
I can think of a thousand games where there’s a very important character to the game that is higher ranking than you. Let’s go with Mass Effect, Shepard is certainly not the highest ranking in the alliance military and yet he’s certainly the focus.
Why do you need to be the highest ranking in order to be the hero? Was Luke the highest ranking in the rebel alliance? Wasn’t he still the big hero?
3. Trahearne takes/gets all of the credit, thereby making your achievements seem pointless.
Response: This is simply not true. He specifically gives you the credit at multiple junctures in the story (see my response to the first argument). You’re the one who is hailed as the hero at multiple points (see Source of Orr and Victory or Death as certain standout moments).
4. Trahearne makes all your decisions for you! Or rather, he limits your choices and forces you to pick between his options!
Response: This is how the game has always worked. You’re given certain choices by someone (usually higher ranking than you, like Logan for humans) and you have to choose from them. This is a fault with the game if you dislike it, and has nothing to do with Trahearne.
To sum it up, we’ve rebutted 4 common arguments for the proposition that Trahearne ruins the story. I’m not a Trahearne apologist, I like him, but I don’t really care what other people think about him. What I’m trying to do here is to show that some of these arguments people are using are just bad.
Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
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Darkhaven Commander
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Gah, another Trahearne thread? Toss it in with the others.
I wish they’d just sticky it. It’s usually floating near the top, anyway, and this subject has been absolutely beaten to death.
~The Storyteller – Elementalist – Jade Quarry~
Does anyone else tired of this Trahearne topics already?
(edited by MeGaZlo.9516)
Trahearne does take over the personal story. His personal mission to cleanse Orr (which apparently never really gets cleansed anyways) overrides your mission to kill Zhaitain. He is made a leader of the Pact despite his complete lack of leadership experience or ability of any kind. This was probably the worst idea ever, especially when you already have several other candidates who actually did have experience leading armies before. There simply was not enough justifcation for why Trahearne was appointed leader of the Pact given his lack of credentials.
I think there would have been a lot less complaining about the player’s character not being appointed leader were two things to have happened:
1) The player was previously introduced to Trahearne who was shown brilliantly leading troops into a battle that no one thought they’d be able to win. And I mean shown, the game needs to do more than say something is in order for the player to actually believe it.
2) The player needs to have not worked as the arbitrator for the 3 factions during levels 20-30 where they had already assumed a quasi leadership position over the 3 factions which should have naturally evolved into becoming the leader of the 3 factions rather than being forced to join one of the factions. Had the character instead simply gone from newbie quest to being thrown into one of the factions based on their armor type instead of having worked and lead the members of all 3 factions this wouldn’t have been such a gaping plot hole.
The personal story ruined the personal story.
Trahearne does take over the personal story. His personal mission to cleanse Orr (which apparently never really gets cleansed anyways) overrides your mission to kill Zhaitain.
Where is your evidence for this claim? The corruption of Orr is symptomatic of the corrupting influence itself: Zhaitan. Killing Zhaitan is far more important because it gets rid of the problem, not a side effect. Further, the celebration after the death of Zhaitan is far more elaborate and important seeming. Finally, the mission to kill Zhaitan comes after the cleansing of Orr, which in this case again seems to indicate importance.
He is made a leader of the Pact despite his complete lack of leadership experience or ability of any kind.
He does have an ability, he’s the foremost expert (in the world) on Orr/Zhaitan/the Undead. Even if this were true, this is an example of bad writing, not a reason why he ruins the story.
This was probably the worst idea ever, especially when you already have several other candidates who actually did have experience leading armies before. There simply was not enough justifcation for why Trahearne was appointed leader of the Pact given his lack of credentials.
There are quite a few, actually. The most important being:
1. He was respected by all of the orders very highly.
2. The orders needed a member who was not from any of the orders to be leader, so that no order would essentially take higher rank. If one did have higher rank, the others would be resentful and the higher ranked one may even abuse that position.
3. He’s the foremost expert on Orr. He knows the terrain, the area, etc…
4. He’s the (no, not A firstborn, THE firstborn) firstborn of all Sylvari, giving him a naturally high status compared to even else.
I think there would have been a lot less complaining about the player’s character not being appointed leader were two things to have happened:
1) The player was previously introduced to Trahearne who was shown brilliantly leading troops into a battle that no one thought they’d be able to win. And I mean shown, the game needs to do more than say something is in order for the player to actually believe it.
Agreed. But, agreeing things could have been done slightly better does not equate to admitting that he ruins the personal story. Far from it, in spite of them not taking the optimum route, I really loved Trahearne and enjoyed the PS.
2) The player needs to have not worked as the arbitrator for the 3 factions during levels 20-30 where they had already assumed a quasi leadership position over the 3 factions which should have naturally evolved into becoming the leader of the 3 factions rather than being forced to join one of the factions. Had the character instead simply gone from newbie quest to being thrown into one of the factions based on their armor type instead of having worked and lead the members of all 3 factions this wouldn’t have been such a gaping plot hole.
You may have felt that you assumed a qasi leadership status, but that’s really odd, because you never did. Up until the very end, you were literally a new recruit who was like a dog on a leash. You were still tied to your handler (Sieran, Tybalt, etc…). Even after then, you only end up achieving a rank equal to that of a billion other members of your order. You don’t even advance to a terribly high rank, and there are at least two members of each other order that outrank you.
Or are you referring to the part before joining the pact? That’s not even an issue, because you’re literally helping to lead one operation in one small part of the world… you’re not even arbitrating between high ranking people. You’re arbitrating between low rankers, which clearly indicates a relatively low ranking operation.
If that’s incorrect, could you be more specific.
Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
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Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
Does anyone else tired of this Trahearne topics already?
I’m sorry your eyes had to see my thread’s title in the personal story section. I’m sure that was a traumatic experience for you.
If you’re tired of it…
tension builds
the anticipation is killing you
Don’t read it.
dun dun dun
Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
Does anyone else tired of this Trahearne topics already?
I’m sorry your eyes had to see my thread’s title in the personal story section. I’m sure that was a traumatic experience for you.
If you’re tired of it…
tension builds
the anticipation is killing you
Don’t read it.
dun dun dun
Do not mean to offend you.
If you if you are a bit bothered about taking a look at this forum, you will find that it is teeming with such “Trahearne” topics. Not only PS thread, but also the discussions and lore. In his support or disapproval. No matter. Not to mention “we do not like Trahearne” topic on 15 pages. This themes has become so jaded and shabby, that creating of new one topic on this subject become banal and bad taste. Begins to seem that everyone who did not have anything to write about but want to write something anyway – writes about Trahearne. Everything has been discussed and overdiscussed dozens of times. Why not to just subscribe at one of the dozens of existing topics?
Well.
Something like this.
Retire.
Does anyone else tired of this Trahearne topics already?
I’m sorry your eyes had to see my thread’s title in the personal story section. I’m sure that was a traumatic experience for you.
If you’re tired of it…
tension builds
the anticipation is killing you
Don’t read it.
dun dun dun
Do not mean to offend you.
If you if you are a bit bothered about taking a look at this forum, you will find that it is teeming with such “Trahearne” topics. Not only PS thread, but also the discussions and lore. In his support or disapproval. No matter. Not to mention “we do not like Trahearne” topic on 15 pages. This themes has become so jaded and shabby, that creating of new one topic on this subject become banal and bad taste. Begins to seem that everyone who did not have anything to write about but want to write something anyway – writes about Trahearne. Everything has been discussed and overdiscussed dozens of times. Why not to just subscribe at one of the dozens of existing topics?
Well.
Something like this.
Retire.
Because my post is, basically, a systematic rebuttal to most attempts to show that Trahearne ruins the personal story. There’s precisely one more thread on the first two pages of threads that gives me the opportunity to give my thoughts. If I were to post this in some random Trahearne thread, it’d be off topic.
Regardless, I don’t know if you meant to offend me or not, but those types of posts are offensive and annoying. I spent a lot of time making a pretty detailed and (in my opinion) well thought out post, and the first responses I get are completely ignoring it and whining about how there are other Trahearne threads. If people don’t like Trahearne threads, don’t read them. Let the rest of us keep discussing it for years to come if we want, so long as the mods permit it.
Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
Darkhaven Commander
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Yes.
His voice acting is terrible and I hate how the order mentor is killed off to make room for him.
Yes.
His voice acting is terrible and I hate how the order mentor is killed off to make room for him.
1. What’s your evidence that the mentor wasn’t just killed off for drama or some other purpose?
2. Voice acting ruins a STORY? Are you sure about that? That’s just like the people who say a game sucks because it doesn’t have gore… it’s incredibly superficial IMO. Regardless, I think 99% of rational people can agree that his voice acting is bad. But, they can also agree that it’s not so bad that it ruins the personal story, it’s serviceable enough.
Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
Darkhaven Commander
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If that’s incorrect, could you be more specific.
Perhaps you are the one who needs to be more specific.
During the first half of Act 2, second half of Act 1, you and the three orders work together to resolve some problem that arose because of Zhaitain. When you are working with the three orders they are presenting you with ideas and thoughts they have on how to resolve the situation and you choose which option you think will work out best (but this is a false dichotomy as there is no reason why you can’t do both options) making sure not to step on anyone’s toes and keeping things civil knowing that everyone wants to get a word in and not feel forgotten or less important than the other delegates. Once you get to the last quest in this chain your choice of which option to use in resolving the situation suddenly solidifies your position in one of the orders in exclusion of the others even though this choice was exactly like the other choices you had been making which in no way lead to you joining one of the orders.
In fact if you are a Sylvari, Trahearne actually tags along on this last quest but says that he will help them finish the task but he won’t join the order and all I could think was, “That’s exactly what I wanted my character to say.” There was no reason why I suddenly ended up joining this order when this quest was exactly like the 5 quests that came before it which didn’t result in me joining an order and in fact I should have been able to tell each delegate that they should all do what they presented to me for the sake of saving the town." For the Sylvari this involved saving some human port town out in the boonies which was about to be attacked by one of Zhaitain’s minions. I should have been able to tell the vigil delegate to get her troops to defend the town, told the OoW delegate to create a diversion to get some of the undead to attack the centaurs and then told the Priory delegate to head out with Trahearne to kill the Lich. To my mind that is exactly how the story was naturally progressing and the decision to make you join only one of those orders felt forced, as if they were intentionally trying to make it so that in just that one moment you’d suddenly no longer be able to evolve into a role that resulted in assuming the leadership position you had been building up to based on the 5 previous storyline missions.
If that’s incorrect, could you be more specific.
Perhaps you are the one who needs to be more specific.
Ironically, I need you to be more specific about what I should be more specific about…
During the first half of Act 2, second half of Act 1, you and the three orders work together to resolve some problem that arose because of Zhaitain. When you are working with the three orders they are presenting you with ideas and thoughts they have on how to resolve the situation and you choose which option you think will work out best (but this is a false dichotomy as there is no reason why you can’t do both options) making sure not to step on anyone’s toes and keeping things civil knowing that everyone wants to get a word in and not feel forgotten or less important than the other delegates. Once you get to the last quest in this chain your choice of which option to use in resolving the situation suddenly solidifies your position in one of the orders in exclusion of the others even though this choice was exactly like the other choices you had been making which in no way lead to you joining one of the orders.
Okay, and how is this important to our discussion? Remember the topic here, we’re discussing Trahearne. You were suggesting that we assumed a “qasi-leadership status” over the orders. I was suggesting that this was false, especially before we joined the orders. We assumed a “qasi-leadership status” in strategy talks on a fairly low level operation.
In fact if you are a Sylvari, Trahearne actually tags along on this last quest but says that he will help them finish the task but he won’t join the order and all I could think was, “That’s exactly what I wanted my character to say.” There was no reason why I suddenly ended up joining this order when this quest was exactly like the 5 quests that came before it which didn’t result in me joining an order and in fact I should have been able to tell each delegate that they should all do what they presented to me for the sake of saving the town." For the Sylvari this involved saving some human port town out in the boonies which was about to be attacked by one of Zhaitain’s minions. I should have been able to tell the vigil delegate to get her troops to defend the town, told the OoW delegate to create a diversion to get some of the undead to attack the centaurs and then told the Priory delegate to head out with Trahearne to kill the Lich.
Yes, I just replayed this part in my newest Sylvari’s story. While I understand why you don’t like this segment (and can somewhat agree), I have no idea what this has to do with our Trahearne discussion…
To my mind that is exactly how the story was naturally progressing and the decision to make you join only one of those orders felt forced, as if they were intentionally trying to make it so that in just that one moment you’d suddenly no longer be able to evolve into a role that resulted in assuming the leadership position you had been building up to based on the 5 previous storyline missions.
I never felt like I’d been building a leadership position, and I don’t see anything to indicate that we were. Again, you were mostly dealing with delegates who were relatively low ranking. We were never building to a leadership role OVER the three pacts. Instead, we were in a leadership role over one of their operations.
Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
Okay, and how is this important to our discussion? Remember the topic here, we’re discussing Trahearne. You were suggesting that we assumed a “qasi-leadership status” over the orders. I was suggesting that this was false, especially before we joined the orders. We assumed a “qasi-leadership status” in strategy talks on a fairly low level operation.
Yes, I just replayed this part in my newest Sylvari’s story. While I understand why you don’t like this segment (and can somewhat agree), I have no idea what this has to do with our Trahearne discussion…
I never felt like I’d been building a leadership position, and I don’t see anything to indicate that we were. Again, you were mostly dealing with delegates who were relatively low ranking. We were never building to a leadership role OVER the three pacts. Instead, we were in a leadership role over one of their operations.
And how do you suppose one acquires the experience needed to be a general? The experience needed to be a diplomat? A negotiator?
It isn’t by being thrust into that position the moment that the army is ready to head off to war. You do it in pieces, steadily progressing to ever greater responsiblity. In essence it felt like your character was being groomed for the role of Pact Leader. And suddenly when the moment arrives to choose a Pact leader, who gets chosen? The character that we have seen already filling a position that would lead to being the Pact Leader (our character)? Nope, it goes to Trahearne who has no demonstrated leadership experience or ability and it goes to Trahearne simply because he was there and was the only person who wasn’t part of an order. Trahearne thus usurps the position that our character had already filled during the earlier levels and that’s how he steals our story.
His mission also steals our story as he replaces “kill Zhaitain” with “cleanse Orr.” But cleansing Orr was never our goal, killing Zhaitain to save our homelands is. Cleansing Orr also happens to be the very last personal story mission, as killing Zhaitain is a 5 player instance where there is only a 20% chance that your character will be the one that speaks. So in essence, the personal story changes from killing Zhaitain to helping Trahearne fulfill his Wyld Hunt that you don’t really care about because the story does such a terrible job making the player like Trahearne.
And how do you suppose one acquires the experience needed to be a general? The experience needed to be a diplomat? A negotiator?
Rhetorical question, I presume. This does, in no way, indicate that we assumed any qasi-leadership position. You’re shifting it from “we assumed a leadership position” to “we showed leadership qualities”. They’re not the same.
It isn’t by being thrust into that position the moment that the army is ready to head off to war. You do it in pieces, steadily progressing to ever greater responsiblity.
Right, but you sort of have to get to a point where you’re actually high ranking before you’re given a leadership position. Dude, after everything you go through before joining one of the orders, you become a recruit. That should tell you right there, you have a long way to go.
In essence it felt like your character was being groomed for the role of Pact Leader. And suddenly when the moment arrives to choose a Pact leader, who gets chosen?
It’s not sudden at all, you’re actually given a good deal of forewarning. Further, the decision itself is quite rational. Finally, you should have known you couldn’t lead the pact, you were a member of one of the orders (which excluded you by default).
The character that we have seen already filling a position that would lead to being the Pact Leader (our character)? Nope, it goes to Trahearne who has no demonstrated leadership experience or ability and it goes to Trahearne simply because he was there and was the only person who wasn’t part of an order. Trahearne thus usurps the position that our character had already filled during the earlier levels and that’s how he steals our story.
Actually, Trahearne had demonstrated copious amounts of ability and competence. He’s one of the only (if not THE, I can’t remember if anyone else did) people who has regularly gone to Orr and returned. He’s also one two people known to have survived an encounter with Zhaitan personally. He has spent all of his life learning about Zhaitan/Orr. It’s natural that he would take a leadership position in the pact.
His mission also steals our story as he replaces “kill Zhaitain” with “cleanse Orr.”
There is no replacement… It’s a stop along the way, and objective before THE objective, a side quest. Last time I checked, you do Kill Zhaitan (or boy do I have a vivid imagination, as well as a loose grip on reality).
But cleansing Orr was never our goal, killing Zhaitain to save our homelands is. Cleansing Orr also happens to be the very last personal story mission, as killing Zhaitain is a 5 player instance where there is only a 20% chance that your character will be the one that speaks.
That’s actually factually false. “Victory or Death” is a personal story mission that requires you do a 5 man dungeon, but it is a personal story mission nonetheless. It has the green tracker, shows up in your journal, and is counted as such on the wiki. It is a personal story mission, regardless of your feelings of it.
Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
To the OP, in one sense you are right that the credit does go to the players and nobody gives Trahearne any rewards (forgetting that players do actually find Cadalbolg in the Sylvari personal story and the Pale Tree gives it to Trahearne instead). However in terms of story advancement, the story that advances is Trahearne’s. The pact commander is pretty much the pact commander all the way through and that’s it. Do you make any friends and alliances in the personal story? No you tend to make friends with Trahearne’s friends and work with them. The story of Trahearne advances with the Pale Tree, Cadalbolg, creation of the Pact, establishing Fort Trinity, his Wyld Hunt, and the cleansing of Orr, etc. Trahearne is not in the Arah story dungeon but that is in a different story, the story of Destiny’s Edge.
Trahearne however isn’t the worst offender. In all the story dungeons, and all the way through the living story, the story of the player does not advance. The story of Kiel, Scarlet, Caithe, Rox, Destiny’s Edge, or anyone else advances and the story of the player does not. It is a feature of GW2 storytelling.
You are to my mind completely wrong on every counterpoint.
1) What you are showing is leadership qualities and what you are acquiring is leadership experience and experience how to get the 3 orders to work together despite their differing ideologies. That is a lot more important than it seems at the moment because when you see the 3 orders together again their leaders are at each other’s throats. Interestingly it is at this point that your character actually gives the speech that gets them to agree to work together which only makes the decision of appointing Trahearne and not you all the more inappropriate, especially when you take everything all together.
2) This is extremely sudden because the decision you are making which places you in an order is exactly the same type of decision that you had been making for the last 5 storyline quests that did not result in you joining an order. Furthermore Trahearne is able to choose to help out without having to join an order so why did my character have to join up?
3) Trahearne has knowledge of Orr, but he doesn’t have leadership experience nor the qualities needed to be the type of leader who can get various government agencies to work together. What we needed wasn’t someone with a knowledge of Orr (and his knowledge actually proves quite useless for the task at hand, it was his idea to send everyone to a fort that clearly offered inadequate defense, some knowledge of Orr that was) but someone who was able to effectively lead an army made up of 3 organizations that didn’t get along.
4) The Wyld Hunt just happens to be able to be completeable while we are also in Orr. However the cleansing of Orr isn’t actually needed to kill Zhaitain nor does Zhaitain need to die for the evil behind Orr to be cleansed. They could both have been completed seperately.
5) I am going to address these together. You are there when Zhaitain dies but you don’t kill Zhaitain. The turret on a ship that anyone could have operated is what kills Zhaitain. They could have just as easily assembled a bunch of ships long before you had even started on your quest and gone off to shoot Zhaitain in the face with some turrets.
This was not a personal quest because not only was your presence entirely superfluous but also because your character might not even participate. Furthermore the focus isn’t on your character but on Destiny’s Edge who actually come out of nowhere and remain in the limelight throughout the entire instance.
1) That doesn’t in any way follow that Trahearne being placed in command is inappropriate because you played a very significant role in uniting the pact. It just doesn’t follow. Further, stories don’t need to conform to your expectations. You may have expected that you’d get the leadership role, but that doesn’t mean you should have.
2) I completely agree! This is not a “GW2 sucks” thread, this is purely for discussing Trahearne. They sort of threw us into an order in a very weird way. I think we all expected to be joining an order, really, but IMO the joining should have taken place AFTER you squashed the threat. They could have all simply offered to let you join and you pick after, you literally wouldn’t have to change anything else. You could even still have the choice on who to side with in the last mission. That would have been much better.
3) That’s actually false as Trahearne is a very studied scholar and would understand how wars are to be waged. Remember, he’s trusted highly by all of the orders including the Vigil, that means he has must have a good deal of battle experience. Further, Trahearne’s knowledge proves useful all throughout your journey (e.g. choosing your base of operations).
4) What? If Zhaitan didn’t die and it were cleansed he would just corrupt it again… Of course Zhaitan has to die or it’ll all be wasted.
5) Right, and that’s a fault with GW2, but you do still get credit for killing Zhaitan. Destinies Edge says as much on your return to Fort Trinity, next time you play through the story speak with them. Again, we’re not discussing how bad the rest of GW2 is, only as it directly pertains to Treahearne. My point goes through regardless of how much you hated that final mission. You’re credited with accomplishing the greatest feat thus far in GW2: killing Zhaitan.
This was not a personal quest because not only was your presence entirely superfluous but also because your character might not even participate. Furthermore the focus isn’t on your character but on Destiny’s Edge who actually come out of nowhere and remain in the limelight throughout the entire instance.
Alright, you can keep spouting off factually inaccurate statements. A personal story mission is what it is, and this is a personal story mission. If you think it shouldn’t have been, take it up with Anet. Until then, you’ve been shown to be incorrect on this point. It is a personal story mission and there is no room for discussion on that point.
Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
Darkhaven Commander
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To the OP, in one sense you are right that the credit does go to the players and nobody gives Trahearne any rewards (forgetting that players do actually find Cadalbolg in the Sylvari personal story and the Pale Tree gives it to Trahearne instead). However in terms of story advancement, the story that advances is Trahearne’s. The pact commander is pretty much the pact commander all the way through and that’s it. Do you make any friends and alliances in the personal story? No you tend to make friends with Trahearne’s friends and work with them. The story of Trahearne advances with the Pale Tree, Cadalbolg, creation of the Pact, establishing Fort Trinity, his Wyld Hunt, and the cleansing of Orr, etc. Trahearne is not in the Arah story dungeon but that is in a different story, the story of Destiny’s Edge.
Going to have to disagree here. The operations into Orr weren’t only for Trahearne’s Wyld Hunt, they were about combating Zhaitan. True, Trahearne’s Wyld Hunt figures significantly into that, but it’s not about that until the very end. Also, I don’t see how your point when you say that you make friends with all of Trahearne’s friends. One, I don’t think that’s true, two, even if it were true it seems to be relatively unimportant. Whether or not they’re friends with Trahearne doesn’t seem to have much of a bearing on the overall topic.
Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
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Darkhaven Commander
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As OP I do not share everybody’s hatred toward Trahearne. No do I understand the source of so passionate hatred. In fact I like that character and was really worried that he might end up killed like other NPC I got used to through the story.
However there is one thing that probably helped me to develop my sympathy towards Trahearne: my first lvl 80 was Sylvari. Even more – there is one particular background where Trahearne comes at very beginning, and I happed to chose that one.
If you do the same, the whole story feels very natural, fluid and logical. Question “who is this guy and what is he even doing in my story” never comes to mind – he is there all the way. He is as part of the story as Caithe or Pale Tree itself.
When I finished the story it felt like the end was absolutely correct, even as the only possible outcome. Nothing bothered me about the story. But right now I am in the middle of the Human story and I might agree that from perspective of another race Trahearne’s involvement is not as understandable as it is for Sylvari. Not shocking either but less obvious.
You do have to really pay attention to every dialog to get that importance of Trahearne if you play for another race.
Trahearne is my favorite thing in the later storyline. The story itself was, I think… okay. Yup, played the game until the second last instance (since I won’t do the last one) and was perfectly happy.
And trying to continue to be so. I was really surprised after I went reading about stuff after playing as far as I decided to play. I just can’t see things the way many others seem to… Would not want to, either.
(Sylvari, Where life goes <3 <3 <3, Priory)
let the sky fall
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Trahearne is my favorite thing in the later storyline. The story itself was, I think… okay. Yup, played the game until the second last instance (since I won’t do the last one) and was perfectly happy.
And trying to continue to be so. I was really surprised after I went reading about stuff after playing as far as I decided to play. I just can’t see things the way many others seem to… Would not want to, either.
(Sylvari, Where life goes <3 <3 <3, Priory)
I never play the last mission/watch the last episode of things I care about rofl… Good to know I’m not alone. An interesting thing to note is that Sylvari players (based on a relatively small sample size that is opt-in, admittedly) tend to like Trahearne better. I think this is good evidence for Amirit’s well thought out point. Perhaps Trahearne would be less disliked if he had a better introduction?
Jorek/Etharin/Raylus
Darkhaven Commander
Co-leader of [Sold]
Darkhaven Commander
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Lots of people hate him. Then again lots of people hate Scarlet.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2.” -Colin Johanson
Don’t support the Gem Shop, it’s that easy.
Don’t support the Gem Shop, it’s that easy.
Trahearne is perfect for this story.
A continuous cliché, at a certain point someone is going to die in every mission. That isn’t dramatic. It’s just stupid. Just put a blasted redshirt on the designed victim so AT LEAST it looks like an ironic quote.
And most of these sacrificed themselves just because of endless stupidity.
Like that mesmer of the Pale Reavers, which had to give her life to activate the beacon for the artillery because she went into battle with a giant and damaged the device. As if you and the other Reaver weren’t enough to take down the giant. I’m sorry, I will not feel sorry for her. One stupid officer less. She might have been a threat for herself and everyone under her command.
The part against the Risen was monotonous, retrieve the artifact, kill undead, blow up undead stuff, retrieve more artifacts.
Very few interesting aspects come by, but are completely ignored by the personal story.
You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…
because he doesn’t know it himself
because he doesn’t know it himself