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Posted by: Sunju.8310

Sunju.8310

AKA How I Learned to Hate my Character.

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I had a bit of an amusing thought while I was going through this very epic personal story arc. I went out onto this beach that was being overwhelmed by a swarm of undead in order to rescue a Lion’s Guard officer and escort her back to the fortress. Of course the only two ways to her are blocked with undead who have unlimited resources spawning on those chokepoints and Magister Sieran, my quirky, eccentric, walking house plant of a chum, is zerg rushed into oblivion and has to be left behind. The thought “Huh, I wonder if she’s supposed to stay dead.” ran through my mind, but I brushed it off. Surely there’d be a cinematic for that. -_-

The ending of this truly awesome quest arc is a cinematic of my character and Sieran having it out about how we’re totally screwed. In one ridiculous, fell non sequitur she comes to the conclusion that she has to stay behind, because every single soldier has conveniently been wonded, while the rest of us make our way to the dock. She says it like it’s the only logical option, though there’s no A+B=C involved. It’s just C!! C!!! WOOO LETS GO WITH C, FORGET REASON AND SANITY, I CHOOSE C! It’s complete crap! All that happens is she gets a giant, thick, made to withstand a siege, door shut with her purposely on the wrong side of it… As if 2 feet of iron hard, 20 foot tall, steel reinforced door is going to succumb to some undead with swords!

That’s not the sad bit though. Instead of being given the option to at least try and reason with her, think of an alternative plan or anything, it just shows my character walking away in slow mow, rolling his shoulders and cracking his neck like he’s some action hero walking way from an explosions. What kind of colossal sociopath is this bugger? Who lets their close friend and partner just throw themselves at an army of zombies, dooming herself to become a zombie in turn and a powerful undead mage of a godlike evil dragon. There was even a Firstborn, an important / powerful hero of the Sylvari, just chilling there. No option to throw him to the wolves or to leave a contigent of Lion’s guardsmen to act as distraction (both of us have the ability to heal after all), though they’d pledged themselves to defend that island to the death, nor does she look at that giant big bugger off door and use her plant powers or her earth magic to reinforce it further. Standing in front of it and casting other spells at it, that’s the most satisfactory plan! Letting those soldiers die in our place could have opened up an excellent story arch with Sieran, blaming you for putting a dozen good soldiers to their death just to save our lives! A bit of tragedy resulting from a hard decision and you’ve got a far more satisfying outcome than “Hey, I’m going to sacrifice myself so you lot can escape” “OK”. There wasn’t even an attempt at a good bye, a thank you or a HELL NO followed by acquiescence to the inevitable.

If we could, maybe, get a bit more choice for our character’s reactions, rather than letting convenient story paths mold them for us, then this already great game would be amazing! Especially if it’s in regards to how we interact with the NPCs foisted on us. Getting to antagonize a companion NPC we really dislike would be fun and emotionally valuable

In short: My character’s now the ultimate sociopathic D-bag goober mongoloid kittenwad when he used to be a developing scholar, hero and legend. Bloody marvelous way to hurriedly write off a major character in my story line while tainting my Guardian.

“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry

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Posted by: Drunk.6201

Drunk.6201

But that’s the whole point of it, that character is supposed to die off and you are replaced with a new one. Will this new one die off? Who knows………..

Drink more beer!

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Posted by: RaZaC.1963

RaZaC.1963

Haha, i did this quest yesterday aswell and you sum it up quiet well^^

I’m a “fan” of killing of important characters in story’s (A Game of Thrones) :P But this one just didnt make sense.

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Posted by: Lutinz.6915

Lutinz.6915

I havent done it with Sieran but from the Vigil line which is much the same they draw the attention of the Risen to give you a chance to get off the isle. The battle is already lost. The only way anyone is getting off alive is if someone distracts them long enough for some survivors to slip off. The battle at that point was completely lost.

Simply put she sacrificed herself so your boat could leave the dock without being sunk before it got away from the shore. The only two people up for the job was you or her. She got dibs.

On a side note Sieran couldnt be turned into Risen. Risen are undead caused by Zhaitans corruption and as Sieran mentions to you during the Priory quests earlier on, Sylvari dont become corrupted by dragon corruption. They just wither and die when exposed to it. Thats why you see no Risen Sylvari in Zhaitan’s armies.

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Posted by: arcdash.4039

arcdash.4039

But I’m the Hero! I can easily hold off an entire invading army of undead! I mean…the enemies in that quest aren’t even all that difficult, and besides, I have plot armor, I could survive anything. At the very least I could’ve fought alongside Sieran or something.

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Posted by: melkathi.5203

melkathi.5203

I havent done it with Sieran but from the Vigil line which is much the same they draw the attention of the Risen to give you a chance to get off the isle. The battle is already lost. The only way anyone is getting off alive is if someone distracts them long enough for some survivors to slip off. The battle at that point was completely lost.

Simply put she sacrificed herself so your boat could leave the dock without being sunk before it got away from the shore. The only two people up for the job was you or her. She got dibs.

On a side note Sieran couldnt be turned into Risen. Risen are undead caused by Zhaitans corruption and as Sieran mentions to you during the Priory quests earlier on, Sylvari dont become corrupted by dragon corruption. They just wither and die when exposed to it. Thats why you see no Risen Sylvari in Zhaitan’s armies.

The whole thing though raises the question: if she had enough power to distract the risen long enough for a bunch of severly wounded survivors to board a ship and take off, why didn’t she use that power sooner?
I know the battle was not winable, but maybe the whole light beacons, retreat from beach stuff could have been done with less casualties?

Though I am still wondering why I didn’t just go light the beacons right away, ignoring the idiot commander who refused to do it

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Posted by: Soyokaze.3960

Soyokaze.3960

@OP, at least it was still your story up to that point. Why couldn’t I throw Tree Boy at the Zombie hordes and saved Seiran??!!

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Posted by: Tower Guard.5263

Tower Guard.5263

Well I went the same road and had a pretty kitten of a time. It just didn’t make any sense. I must have gone the bad ending route. Because for me the kitten happened again.

I love saying KITTEN meow

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Posted by: Sunju.8310

Sunju.8310

“…Simply put she sacrificed herself so your boat could leave the dock without being sunk before it got away from the shore….On a side note Sieran couldnt be turned into Risen. "
– Ooooh, thanks for the info! I compeltely forgot about Sylvari being unzombifiable As for her being a sacrifice: What’s she going to do alone and exhausted that’s going to have any effect worth mentioning? She was already in the battle alongside a regiment of trained soldiers and myself and it was still utterly hopeless. In my opinion her sacrifice was silly and it was actually the giant siege door that I have to thank for giving us time to escape.

“But I’m the Hero! I can easily hold off an entire invading army of undead! I mean…the enemies in that quest aren’t even all that difficult, and besides, I have plot armor, I could survive anything. At the very least I could’ve fought alongside Sieran or something.”
- Something similiar ran through my mind during the cinematic XD If I had at least offered to trade places with her or given some Norn sentiment about sacrifice and honour as my reason for readily accepting her sudden fit of idiocy, then it would have been a different story.

“Though I am still wondering why I didn’t just go light the beacons right away, ignoring the idiot commander who refused to do it”
-I know! From the beginning I was facepalming whenever he opened his mouth. How can anyone be that purposely ignorant and willfully bad at their job? Who cares if Lion’s Claw hasn’t lit the towers in a century, it’s what they’re there for! His mentality was just another Deus ex Machina for the zombies eating my leafy friend, unexplained and run with far after the intel we brought him was confirmed. He didn’t stop acting like that even after the zombies had over run the courtyard. It wasn’t until he’d taken a mortal wound that he gave an inch on the subject.

“@OP, at least it was still your story up to that point. Why couldn’t I throw Tree Boy at the Zombie hordes and saved Seiran??!!”
-Exactly! I had no connection to that guy! Sieran thought of him as a hero so obviously he was more powerful or experienced or whatever than she was. Let him act as a distraction instead! On the way back to the dock he was talking nonchalantly about how she made a noble sacrifice, no emotion, no sense of gratitude, just “Yep, had to happen, all over now, no way she survived that one, guffaw, chuckle, snort. Wanna be my friend?” -_- I already had a quirky, fun, silly Sylvari genius as my partner, why’d she have to die so I could get ANOTHER one?!

I think they tried to create an emotional experience where we lost a character we’d been connecting with in a horrible, memorable fashion. The story had too many corners cut, though, and it just felt like they couldn’t pull it off. Instead they removed Sieran’s brain and my character’s heart and Anet is now in negotiations with the Wizard of Oz. Who else would have use for such things?

“A favourite war hero of mine got his tongue shot out.”
“How’d that happen?”
“He doesn’t talk about it.” – Stephen Fry

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Posted by: melkathi.5203

melkathi.5203

@Sunju
You know, I think the mission would have benefited if the commander had sacrificed himself. A way to absolve a stupid npc from his sins. Then it would have been a yes, people died because of his pride, but in the end he tried to do the right thing.