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Posted by: Ralathar.7236

Ralathar.7236

As a former player of Dark Age of Camelot I believe this game should add player names in. Quite simply it adds respect, rivalry, competition, admiration, loathing, COMMUNITY back in to large scale PVP.

I know it comes with the downfalls of more whiners about X or Y person but I highly believe that it is worth it and helps add longevity to the game when you can go "Oh crap it’s Commander “HufflePuff”. Tell “Killtillyoudie” to rally the troops, we are in for a hard fight." OR “Kiss of death is back, I hate that guy. Can we get some people over here to drive him away so he’ll stop ganking people?”

Legends of the battlefield, whether revered, feared, or hated, were known by name. They were not nameless entities for long. Many of the better ones got known by sight.

If you agree with me, post something and show support. It doesn’t have to be long it can simply be “I agree with you, I’d like this feature added in because it would make my WvW experience more enjoyable.”.

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Posted by: Ralathar.7236

Ralathar.7236

It’s fine the way it is. The main reason is something that you even said yourself, more whiners. You seem to think that it would be a small increase to the amount we have now. No oh no no no no nooooo, it would exponentially increase the amount of whiners. Instead of player x complaining about server y, it becomes player a complaining about player a1 a2 a3 a4 a5 c7 h8 u3 t8 n38 z95 a8322, and player b complaining about player y38672. That makes for more effort on moderators to delete threads and for more people to see annoying whiner threads. Its fine just seeing the guild tag, so man up and deal with it.

And treating people like that is exactly why people are so whiney in the first place. We now expect to be moderated by a company instead of our own player base. We thus divulge all personal responsibility.

Why is it that as time goes by we expect companies and such to do everything for us?

Also, have you seen these boards lol?

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Posted by: Kindeller.3072

Kindeller.3072

Unfortunately even when we where only able to see players account names though support tickets I had several people insult me in a foreign language or swear my end is neigh :/ It’d be nice but the forums has proven we cannot be civil in anyway towards one another, i don’t think a way to solidify and encourage this would be a wise move

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Posted by: Waffler.1257

Waffler.1257

Unfortunately even when we where only able to see players account names though support tickets I had several people insult me in a foreign language or swear my end is neigh :/ It’d be nice but the forums has proven we cannot be civil in anyway towards one another, i don’t think a way to solidify and encourage this would be a wise move

Same. The GW2 player base isn’t mature enough to handle this idea.

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Posted by: Rissou.7213

Rissou.7213

Why would people whine more if they saw others name? That makes no sense. Ive always seen my enemies name in other games , never seen anyone go forum and whine about a specific person.

OMG, that thief Onehitwonder is so overpowered. lol really?

If name was visible i think it would promote griefing, like a whole group of people like 4chan or reddit goes after 1 single person and bully them or something.

But still I agree, I want my enemies to shiver in fear and run away when they see me because I am Legend.

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Posted by: Ralathar.7236

Ralathar.7236

Why would people whine more if they saw others name? That makes no sense. Ive always seen my enemies name in other games , never seen anyone go forum and whine about a specific person.

OMG, that thief Onehitwonder is so overpowered. lol really?

If name was visible i think it would promote griefing, like a whole group of people like 4chan or reddit goes after 1 single person and bully them or something.

But still I agree, I want my enemies to shiver in fear and run away when they see me because I am Legend.

Griefing is a given in a game. Hiding someone’s name won’t stop you from hitting that norn engineer with X build. I’ve learned to go after a few people via appearance already. If I’m doing that just to counter someone I think you highly underestimate griefers.

The only thing a company can do to limit it is to try and design less exploitable systems. Like the nerf incoming to stealth regarding control points. But even so, just look at the jumping puzzle lol. Griefers paradise.

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Posted by: pierwola.9602

pierwola.9602

+1
add player names and “whisper chat” at least

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Posted by: Brunners.7251

Brunners.7251

People already whisped you to insult you when you killed them before, when they were able to get your account name through the report feature.

ArenaNet took that ability out.

That should tell you how they feel about identifying enemies.

Also. You said that you learned people by sight. Well…do that here then. The one thing you CAN do here is recognise enemies by sight (even if they are all the same colour, some are still very noticeable).

Having names visible would make these wvw threads soooo much worse. Hell, half of them get closed down as it is. Allowing specific calling out of players isn’t going to fly.

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Posted by: Amadeus.5687

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I agree with name’s should be show, heck I would even like /Say to work in WvsW, why can’t i taunt or talk with the people I fight? I have had some awesome fights where I really would have wanted to talk with the people I did clash!

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Posted by: lOKI.8152

lOKI.8152

I would support that idea. I dueled many people and i would have liked to thank them for the nice fights. I have never been insulted by anyone before they removed the account names from the report function. And theres still “Block” About people focussing well-known people: In a zerg that really doesnt matter much. And when you are roaming and a whole group is busy trying to chase you: even better. You are distracting them from doing something more useful. For people whining on the forums: You will never stop them from doing that. I cant remember any forum post in swtor where people complained about specific players though.

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Posted by: Fuzzion.2504

Fuzzion.2504

Anet has plans to first re-incorporate back Player dyes followed by player names. Just give them time or wait for ESOL

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Posted by: Raincrow.1840

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I don’t agree that knowing the enemy’s name adds anything to community. Rivalry, yes, but community? I don’t see the connection.

Rivalry between servers is ok. Rivalry between individuals, I don’t really think is something that should be encouraged in the game.

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Posted by: Christos de Soufre.3802

Christos de Soufre.3802

I think most of the people I even sort of impress or annoy know me by guild tag and character appearance by now. Not super worried about this.

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Posted by: Cub Discus Gig.2176

Cub Discus Gig.2176

Character Names, Your Dye Colours instead of these silly teams, Realm Forums.

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Posted by: War Mourner.5168

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If you’re that worried about griefing and the petty name calling that invariably happens, and aren’t already satisfied with the ability to block and report them, then give players the ability to turn off off chat from the enemy side, block whispers that aren’t from from friends/guild mates (something that should have been in to start with); hell, if you really want, give them an option to hide their player name like it is currently.

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Posted by: Warlord Lu Bu.7905

Warlord Lu Bu.7905

If you’re that worried about griefing and the petty name calling that invariably happens, and aren’t already satisfied with the ability to block and report them, then give players the ability to turn off off chat from the enemy side, block whispers that aren’t from from friends/guild mates (something that should have been in to start with); hell, if you really want, give them an option to hide their player name like it is currently.

This.

Although you can still find out who you’re fighting at the moment by simply clicking on them, then clicking on party and inviting them to your party.

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Posted by: pierwola.9602

pierwola.9602

with “no name” system cheating is a lot easier, now none will tell “ohh i saw you when you did this … buuuu” so u dont rly care and you do this

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Posted by: bliz.6903

bliz.6903

i like actually don’t see the name, receiving loot’s of stupid wisp in wvw before the nerf ^^

if you want to be famous make your own guild :p

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Posted by: Brunners.7251

Brunners.7251

If you’re that worried about griefing and the petty name calling that invariably happens, and aren’t already satisfied with the ability to block and report them, then give players the ability to turn off off chat from the enemy side, block whispers that aren’t from from friends/guild mates (something that should have been in to start with); hell, if you really want, give them an option to hide their player name like it is currently.

Or, how about we keep it the way it is now so there’s no opportunity for being harrassed?

Why should I have to go to extra effort just to not be harrassed, so that you can improve your kitten?

This is GW2. Not DAOC2. It doesn’t work the same way. Get used to it.

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Posted by: War Mourner.5168

War Mourner.5168

Did you see me complaining about the lack of visible names? I was merely making a suggestion that would make Ralathar’s proposal more palatable for people such as yourself who would rather remain anonymous in game.

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Posted by: Victory.2879

Victory.2879

I have no great desire to see the opposition’s names nor them to see mine- but then I don’t have an ego to massage not any desire to be ‘known’. Been there, done that, etc.
You do tend to recognise players by their clothing and play style- so you know what to use to counter it, that’s a basic. Being able to see names would add nothing to my experience and having people whisper me to swear after I’ve wiped them doesn’t interest me either- no desire to be spammed by whispers.

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Posted by: Leo Paul.1659

Leo Paul.1659

I would love people to see my name. Couldn’t care less about theirs. :X

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Posted by: dooger.2640

dooger.2640

Names are a basic requirement for pvp.

Such garbage fighting generic green, red and blue. I swing my sword, I swing my sword again! Die generic blue villain!

Bugs we understand and will wait for fixes, but our teams of hard core rvr players have lost interest due to fundamental design issues such as this.

I am so hoping Arenanet comes around, I really pushed this game hard to my guild, everyone bored within a month, then not logging in after 2 months is underwhelming.

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Posted by: muylaetrix.2096

muylaetrix.2096

i’m all for beinga ble to identify the enemy i have targetted and all that (just like any other game i have played). i never understood why i could talk to my enemies in this game (unlike any ohter game i have played). give names and disable chat with enemies. that simple.

and i see a lot of time “yes, but this is gw2, get used to it”. that almost sounds like religious statement. noone is infalible, not everything arenanet does is without mistakes. nothing should be a dogma. everything must be open to scrutiny. everything can be changed. not everything in which GW2 wanted to be ‘different’ than the rest is ‘better’.

They took a lot of inspiration from Mythic’s DAOC. i aplaud that. they should have borowwed just a few more things from it. you can not imagine just how much ANet took inspiration from DAOC to make w3, without having played DAOC.

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Posted by: Kardiamond.6952

Kardiamond.6952

I would love to see the name of ennemy player.

Attacking “Server Invader” is so generic, its remove that little something that I’m missing since Ultima Online.

I get the impression that we are still fighting npc with a better AI (or sometime worse).

By removing the name, sure you are removing some greifing. But you also remove the wonderful time you can have with rivalry between player. It’s like removing the downside and the upside, so you are only left with an average feeling.

At least, give us they option to show the name. So the player that want to show their name, they show it. Those that don’t want, they keep it hidden. Leave the choice to the players.

But there are 2 technical thing that could not make it possible →

  • Bandwidth, by sending name, you add even more transfers. It’s a theory, because they might already be sending it, but since we already have culling issue, I doubt they would want to add even a bit of transfer.
  • Communication, since this game permit communication between server, people will have acces to name, so acces to whispering the ennemy. It could lead to some coordinate fighting between servers or objectif swaping.
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Posted by: Intigo.1653

Intigo.1653

No. The system is great as it is right now.

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Posted by: Dinny.5310

Dinny.5310

I know I’m going to attract a lot of incredulous looks and comments of (likely dismissive) disbelief, but…

I would be far, far less inclined to play WvW if player names were visible. I prefer to play cooperatively or as friendly competition, and when I encounter the occasional person who has no interest in keeping it friendly, I don’t enjoy my experience. I study and work, negative interactions are draining. When I come home for the day and decide to play, the last thing I want is some player complaining if I succeed against him or gloating if I fail.

That said, I think that some of the ideas raised here are legitimate concerns (i.e. dismissing personal liability and self-governance, making the PvP impersonal). I guess my argument is that WvW shifts the focus to “person versus person” to “server/team versus server/team”.

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Posted by: Jakal.6485

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/agreed OP. Why take away credibility?? Why would you NOT want people to know it was you spiking them in the ground? Why would you not want that kind of rivalry, community, and excitement? If you answered anything other than “exactly!”, then maybe this isn’t the easymode you were looking for. PvP in this game is already made easy enough. Does it really need to be made worse? So if you can’t grow a backbone then maybe you should think about going back to facebook games.

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Posted by: Kardiamond.6952

Kardiamond.6952

@Dinny

And what about making it optional? You don’t want, you don’t activate it! :0

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Posted by: Miporin.3529

Miporin.3529

^This. Make it optional, if someone want his name to be viewed to everyone it should possible. So everyone will be happy.

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Posted by: Stiv.1820

Stiv.1820

This should at the very least be an option you can turn in in the settings. “Show name in WvW”.

I still don’t see the down side in making it optional for everyone. When reporting worked, I got in lots of different conversations. Complements, build questions and of course QQ and I loved all of it.

I can understand why some players want to be protected by anonymity. I just don’t get why they take it a step further and say it shouldn’t even be an option for those who want to put their name out there.

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Posted by: Nidhogg.2950

Nidhogg.2950

Some people will use names to send insults or to threaten, you can report those people then should that happen.

I’d happily put up with those people if it means being able to talk to my opponent. I frequently used the Report function to do so and not once has it degraded in an exchange of insults.

Id rather see this responsibility given back to the players, to act in a mature and civilised manner, with incorrect behavior corrected when necessary(there is an ignore/report function).

Assuming people will not be able to handle such responsibility and treat them like so will just mean they will feel justified in acting in an immature manner. While people in these forums insult each other at times there often are helpfull or supportive comments as well.

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Posted by: waeren.9743

waeren.9743

Don’t agree.

You currently have guild tag/server name/player model to recognize someone which should be enough for 1v1’s.

Also you’re playing WvW, not sPvP.

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Posted by: cafard.8953

cafard.8953

For what it’s worth, i really enjoy the current low-drama system. Reading any tier 1 matchup thread or any bi-weekly “OMG JP CAMPERS” thread is enough to get a quick idea of the kind of drama avoided in-game.

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Posted by: Kardiamond.6952

Kardiamond.6952

@waeren @cafard

Fine if you don’t want it, but what about an option to do it?

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Posted by: Brunners.7251

Brunners.7251

Some people will use names to send insults or to threaten, you can report those people then should that happen.

I’d happily put up with those people if it means being able to talk to my opponent. I frequently used the Report function to do so and not once has it degraded in an exchange of insults.

Id rather see this responsibility given back to the players, to act in a mature and civilised manner, with incorrect behavior corrected when necessary(there is an ignore/report function).

Assuming people will not be able to handle such responsibility and treat them like so will just mean they will feel justified in acting in an immature manner. While people in these forums insult each other at times there often are helpfull or supportive comments as well.

Have you kept up to date with the T1 WvW threads? Almost all it is is people whining and complaining.

That would only get 100 million times worse if you made names public.

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Posted by: waeren.9743

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@waeren @cafard

Fine if you don’t want it, but what about an option to do it?

I’d rather have ANet spend time on more important issues than player names :/

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Posted by: Neandramathal.9536

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Very first contact I had with an opposing player was with someone I met pretty much every night and had enjoyable fights with, someone who had recently moved server knew his name so after about 2 weeks I said “Just wanted to say always fun to meet you” and the response I got? “Shut up and play noob”.

Now, that was one contact. Sure there may be plenty of good ones – but the only reason there hasn’t been more negative ones is because there is no names. I had more than enough of that in SWToR thanks.

I am recognised plenty by my armor and guild tag, and frequently receive extra fire as a result… so, would my name being visible make me more of a target? doubtful. But would I then receive more idiotic whispers? yes. Most games that show names do not allow you to also whisper your opponents, with guesting on the way and cross server guilds/contacts the whisper option won’t be going anywhere.

/agreed OP. Why take away credibility?? Why would you NOT want people to know it was you spiking them in the ground? Why would you not want that kind of rivalry, community, and excitement? If you answered anything other than “exactly!”, then maybe this isn’t the easymode you were looking for. PvP in this game is already made easy enough. Does it really need to be made worse? So if you can’t grow a backbone then maybe you should think about going back to facebook games.

So your argument is that if we prefer the game as it already is we should stop playing? What kind of backwards logic is that??

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Posted by: Ralathar.7236

Ralathar.7236

I think people hit the nail on the head with OPTIONS. IE you would have to opt into it. Players would self regulate from there.

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Posted by: Katz.5143

Katz.5143

I know I’m going to attract a lot of incredulous looks and comments of (likely dismissive) disbelief, but…

I would be far, far less inclined to play WvW if player names were visible. I prefer to play cooperatively or as friendly competition, and when I encounter the occasional person who has no interest in keeping it friendly, I don’t enjoy my experience. I study and work, negative interactions are draining. When I come home for the day and decide to play, the last thing I want is some player complaining if I succeed against him or gloating if I fail.

That said, I think that some of the ideas raised here are legitimate concerns (i.e. dismissing personal liability and self-governance, making the PvP impersonal). I guess my argument is that WvW shifts the focus to “person versus person” to “server/team versus server/team”.

This sums up my feelings too. I’d only want this feature if I could choose to be incognito.

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Posted by: Revler.2359

Revler.2359

Make so players on WvW can’t whisper/mail each other while their are at the borderlands (unless they are friends).

This prevents trash talking while playing and keeps the hostile mood between realms.

Edit: I strongly agree that no player names takes a huge reward from players, specially on something that is supposed to be a social massive game: the quest for glory and fame. I care more about being known and feared on WvW than legendaries.

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Posted by: Archmortal.1027

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Having names show up in WvW opens up too much potential for griefing, harassment, abuse, etc. We have no need to see the names of our enemies other than to do these things to them.

Mitigating trash talking and harassment by way of turning off whispers in certain areas is not an effective countermeasure as the hostile environment would still be present via the griefing and abuse. We can see the names of people on our own server. This is more than enough. We do not need to be able to see individual names of other people.

The ONLY thing I might say would be acceptable is letting us see who the enemy Commanders are. Even if there are some Commanders out there who only got the book because they could, several of them are key communicators and group leaders in the actual activity and color-coding enemy Commander symbols to the server color they are currently aligned to (or just color-coding the symbol along with the server colors all together) would make for interesting risk/reward scenarios. Do we take out the enemy commander and hopefully break up their group/zerg for a few moments for safer advancement on our target, or do we choose a relatively safe target they won’t be able to effectively stop our advances against?

Still, there is not a single reason we need to see the names of enemies, commander or not. There’s no reason to ever allow us to do so. If you want to be known, do well and be acknowledged and praised by your server.

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Posted by: LOCO.1785

LOCO.1785

I support this idea

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Posted by: TehPwnerer.7215

TehPwnerer.7215

The GW2 player base isn’t mature enough to handle this idea.

This. I don’t want to have some kid whisper and whine at me because I killed him. I would never go into WvW if every time I killed and executed someone I’d hear “F-g!” or “Noob! You suck! GO OUTSIDE!” or other generic, 12 yr old remarks. I get enough of that in sPvP.

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Posted by: Ralathar.7236

Ralathar.7236

Unfortunately it seems we shall continue to slide down the slippery slope of personal responsibility. Instead of having freedom and choosing to act right, and ostracizing those who do not, we choose to be comfortable and complacent.

Don’t suppose that’s too surprising considering the atmosphere most here were raised in.

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Posted by: Orion Templar.4589

Orion Templar.4589

I’d support either keeping names hidden as it is now, or else building in some options to give players control over displaying or seeing names. I think it would be a very bad idea to just universally display them without providing options.

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Posted by: Neandramathal.9536

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Well, joined sPvP for first time all month and the only chat was:
“2 NABCAKES”
“LOL”
“YOUTUBE BVUILDS”
“—— YOU”
“My guild is gonna join in a minute so you lol some more baddy”
“Shrink ur balls gsword guardian not sposed to fight conditions”

All from one guy, I’d rather keep that out of WvW as well.

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