BLTP - remove the price floors

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Posted by: Sparkie.3465

Sparkie.3465

Right now, when one sells a piece of gear at the trading post, there is a price floor. If a piece of gear is worth 1 silver to a vendor NPC, then you cannot post that gear for anything less than 1sp 1cp on the trading post.

I am not sure how hard this price floor is. I have seen buy orders that are lower than the price floor, and I do not know if those are considered valid buy orders (if not, why are they there?) or if those are some sort of lingering bug.

I wish to propose that the price floor be removed entirely. I can see the value of retaining a warning – a warning that can be disabled in the options – that tells you whenever you are posting an item for less than the vendor price.

My guess is that the current price floor was introduced either to try to limit trading of worthless items, or to protect players from themselves. In its current incarnation, the price floor does not server either of these purposes well! If you take that price floor away, then items will be bought simply to be sold to vendors, or to be salvaged. That opens up a market for this stuff! It opens up a way to get rid of it, whereas now it simply seems to be slowly building up. It also will, in time, be a better way to deter people from posting every piece of junk they find – eventually the price of all the junk armor will drop so low that many people will consider it too much of a loss and vendor their garbage themselves. I am no economist, but I suspect this would temporarily increase item churn on the TP but dramatically reduce the total number of items on it at any single point in time. That may or may not be helpful to your stability issues – I have no idea.

The price floor also doesn’t serve much protective function right now. One could argue that it saves people from themselves. I am not sure that this was the design of the price floor, because then items would have a price floor at ~1.18 times the vendor price, instead of vendor price + 1 cp. As currently designed, when you sell items at the vendor price on the TP, you lose 5% of your money to a posting fee and another 10% to taxes if the item sells. The people posting items at vendor costs are already losing money. You haven’t protected them. You haven’t even told them, explicitly, about the 10% sales tax yet (though most of them have hopefully noticed by now). Have some faith in your players, and let them set the point where the TP is a convenient place to get rid of junk vs. where they’d prefer to go to a vendor instead.

If I have misjudged the point of the price floor, and it is actually an anti-gold-seller measure, then I still implore you to remove the price floor. Let the gold sellers try to outmaneuver the actual players who want to corner these kinds of markets! I have some faith that the players are smarter, are able to devote more time and effort to the markets as a hobby than the gold-sellers can afford as a business. A significant minority of the player base recognizes and hates gold sellers, and will make it a hobby just to try to harm them. Besides that, measures you take internally to block external gold sellers will be what makes or breaks their market – the means they use to gather gold in your game is not nearly as consequential. In fact, less gold sellers in the field annoying players with bots might have merits of its own.

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Posted by: Account.9832

Account.9832

Agreed, it makes no sense to have a minimum sale price while still allowing buy orders below that. It’s one of the (many) illogical things about trading in GW2.

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Posted by: Nkuvu.2570

Nkuvu.2570

I have seen buy orders that are lower than the price floor, and I do not know if those are considered valid buy orders (if not, why are they there?) or if those are some sort of lingering bug.

And did you notice that when you’re selling things, if the buy order is below vendor price, you can’t actually sell the item to that buy order? They are not valid. I agree that they shouldn’t be able to have been put into the trading post in the first place, but removing the price floor doesn’t fix this.

I honestly can’t see any reason to want to remove the price floor. So all the stuff that’s vendor trash would drop to just one copper? Good plan!

Yes, if you sell at 1 copper above vendor, you’re losing some coin. Most players that I’ve heard of doing this do so in order for convenience to sell from anywhere to clear out bag space. Removing the price floor makes it so that inattentive people would lose even more money? How in the world could this possibly be beneficial?

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Posted by: Kaz.5430

Kaz.5430

I’ve read an ANET post on these boards somewhere recently, stating that the buy orders below the vendor price are the result of a bug, and should not be possible.

I’m also pretty sure that the price floor didn’t exist during the early BWE’s, and has been added in response to early feedback.

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Posted by: Hydrophidian.4319

Hydrophidian.4319

My guess is that the current price floor was introduced either to try to limit trading of worthless items, or to protect players from themselves.

I kinda doubt it.

What a price floor prevents is the following phenomenon:

1. Buy up goods that are selling below vendor price. As much as you can afford/carry.
2. Sell goods to vendor for a modest profit.
3. Rinse, repeat.

It’s a simple, no-risk way to make money, and given all the vendors everywhere, there wouldn’t even be any notable travel time involved. One could build up a respectable bank very quickly.

Given the existence of the gem exchange… this can’t really be allowed to happen.

I don’t like the artificial floors, but I don’t think getting rid of them is an option, unless vendors were made to only buy at the existing floor… and that could be a disastrous change.

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Posted by: Mira.4906

Mira.4906

I have also seen the post where ANET stated that putting orders below the vendor price is a bug. If there wasn’t a price floor then a group of players would put huge buy orders at 1 copper coin below the vendor price and since there is no fee for putting orders they have no risk and any item they buy is a profit. The seller would not only lose coin from not vendoring the item but would also lose 15% due to fees.

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Posted by: Redscope.6215

Redscope.6215

The reason they have price floors is for exactly what they do. They keep people from purchasing under vendor price from other players who are just clearing out inventory space and end up selling garbage for less than vendor price. The players buying it end up with an easy way to make money off of the mistakes of others who are not watching; or out of pure convenience. The trading post becomes a mobile trash vendor.

Not saying you can’t already use the trading post on the go; and you can trade your way to the top if you watch closely and buy/sell according to peak times and such. They’re just trying to keep the gold inflation to a minimum. If you force players to manage inventory space and stop to sell to vendors, you slow the progress of gold creation.