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Posted by: funghetto.1584

funghetto.1584

hello Anet

im really bored of seeing hits from backstab of thief from 7000 damage up to 10000

especially with armor around 2800

bored of seeing those damages

i can understand their low vitality and armor – as the bonus that they have if in stealth or if attacking from side or behind and gets the 2,5x bonus.

but this damage is simply an insane damage.

cheers

“There’s no such thing as balance, fairness or honor.”
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Posted by: Rezzet.3614

Rezzet.3614

wait till you fight perma blinders LOL

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Posted by: funghetto.1584

funghetto.1584

already fought with them – its 1 year that i play – and every class has difficulties with some classes and less with other – but this class thief is, USELESS as group

and does that kind of damage that is simply wrong.

then anet nerfs confusion and retaliation in wvw? and lets speak about torment. with deathshroud and 1k condition damage necromancer – you get 3stacks of 2k damage if still or 4k 3 stacks if moving

what? how to explode a player

retaliation = send back damages
yeah – you get a 8k backstab – and send back 300? are you kidding?

“There’s no such thing as balance, fairness or honor.”
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Posted by: Ghostwolf.9863

Ghostwolf.9863

Every other class can perform same burst, only difference is, after the thief hits you for that 4k backstab when you are buffed with protection or 2k from in front, you have a 4+ second window to strike back.

^
Meaning, there are things that make backstab look ridiculous in this game.
Blocks, Blinds, Protection, Invulnerability, OP heals, passive CC, 40k health pools (necromancer).
Some classes and builds have higher access to these than others, the rest counters backstab with high mobility or stealth, if you have neither it’s not only thieves you would die to.

Thief, Engineer, Mesmer – Seafarer’s Rest (EU)

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Posted by: Fortus.6175

Fortus.6175

16.5k (s) self buffed WvW, on lvl 80s…..goes to show “balance”

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Posted by: Trent.3709

Trent.3709

Ghostwolf pretty much summed it all up.

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Posted by: Ghostwolf.9863

Ghostwolf.9863

16.5k (s) self buffed WvW, on lvl 80s…..goes to show “balance”

So how hard would you suggest a backstab should hit with 20 stacks of might, in a build that focus 90% around landing the first backstab, blowing all utilties, geared with full ascended berserk?

I think 16.5k is fine when someone isn’t equipped with toughness.
Since with some toughness and the protection buff it would take it down to 10k, with invulnerability 0. Someone can prevent getting hit at all by a build focusing 90% (the other 10% for casting 1 more cloak and dagger or 2 heartseekers) around hitting the first 2 attacks thanks to invulnerability and blocks, should invulnerability and blocks be nerfed?

Also by turning at the right time, it would take down that 16.5k to 8250,
with protection and some toughness even down to 5k in that case,
that’s 28% of warriors base health! and the hammer can deal overkill dmg with 2 strikes on that thief.

I would be happy if I could turn my front to the elementalist hitting me 10k to take 5k,
or turn my front to the warrior eviscerating me for 15k to take 7.5k dmg.

Thief, Engineer, Mesmer – Seafarer’s Rest (EU)

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Posted by: Scrambles.2604

Scrambles.2604

16.5k (s) self buffed WvW, on lvl 80s…..goes to show “balance”

So how hard would you suggest a backstab should hit with 20 stacks of might, in a build that focus 90% around landing the first backstab, blowing all utilties, geared with full ascended berserk?

I think 16.5k is fine when someone isn’t equipped with toughness.
Since with some toughness and the protection buff it would take it down to 10k, with invulnerability 0. Someone can prevent getting hit at all by a build focusing 90% (the other 10% for casting 1 more cloak and dagger or 2 heartseekers) around hitting the first 2 attacks thanks to invulnerability and blocks, should invulnerability and blocks be nerfed?

Also by turning at the right time, it would take down that 16.5k to 8250,
with protection and some toughness even down to 5k in that case,
that’s 28% of warriors base health! and the hammer can deal overkill dmg with 2 strikes on that thief.

I would be happy if I could turn my front to the elementalist hitting me 10k to take 5k,
or turn my front to the warrior eviscerating me for 15k to take 7.5k dmg.

the video would be 4 times as long if it included all the footage of him getting two shotted and insta-gibbed with that glassiest of glass-cannon builds.

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Posted by: Fortus.6175

Fortus.6175

16.5k (s) self buffed WvW, on lvl 80s…..goes to show “balance”

So how hard would you suggest a backstab should hit with 20 stacks of might, in a build that focus 90% around landing the first backstab, blowing all utilties, geared with full ascended berserk?

I think 16.5k is fine when someone isn’t equipped with toughness.
Since with some toughness and the protection buff it would take it down to 10k, with invulnerability 0. Someone can prevent getting hit at all by a build focusing 90% (the other 10% for casting 1 more cloak and dagger or 2 heartseekers) around hitting the first 2 attacks thanks to invulnerability and blocks, should invulnerability and blocks be nerfed?

Also by turning at the right time, it would take down that 16.5k to 8250,
with protection and some toughness even down to 5k in that case,
that’s 28% of warriors base health! and the hammer can deal overkill dmg with 2 strikes on that thief.

I would be happy if I could turn my front to the elementalist hitting me 10k to take 5k,
or turn my front to the warrior eviscerating me for 15k to take 7.5k dmg.

the video would be 4 times as long if it included all the footage of him getting two shotted and insta-gibbed with that glassiest of glass-cannon builds.

but it isnt, because unlike most thieves, he isnt a bad player and knows how to use stealth, blinds, teleports and above all; common sense…… things that your average Joe thief player cant do and hence they think their class is “bad”

Wanna play a profession on tribulation mode? Try elementalists with full zerker, with no stealth, clones, aegis, mobility, heals, disengage on lower than 40 seconds CD and with cantrips on 70 to 90 secoinds CD for skills that other professions have on <30 secs CD, then come here again , we will all accept your apologies

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Posted by: Scrambles.2604

Scrambles.2604

16.5k (s) self buffed WvW, on lvl 80s…..goes to show “balance”

So how hard would you suggest a backstab should hit with 20 stacks of might, in a build that focus 90% around landing the first backstab, blowing all utilties, geared with full ascended berserk?

I think 16.5k is fine when someone isn’t equipped with toughness.
Since with some toughness and the protection buff it would take it down to 10k, with invulnerability 0. Someone can prevent getting hit at all by a build focusing 90% (the other 10% for casting 1 more cloak and dagger or 2 heartseekers) around hitting the first 2 attacks thanks to invulnerability and blocks, should invulnerability and blocks be nerfed?

Also by turning at the right time, it would take down that 16.5k to 8250,
with protection and some toughness even down to 5k in that case,
that’s 28% of warriors base health! and the hammer can deal overkill dmg with 2 strikes on that thief.

I would be happy if I could turn my front to the elementalist hitting me 10k to take 5k,
or turn my front to the warrior eviscerating me for 15k to take 7.5k dmg.

the video would be 4 times as long if it included all the footage of him getting two shotted and insta-gibbed with that glassiest of glass-cannon builds.

but it isnt, because unlike most thieves, he isnt a bad player and knows how to use stealth, blinds, teleports and above all; common sense…… things that your average Joe thief player cant do and hence they think their class is “bad”

Wanna play a profession on tribulation mode? Try elementalists with full zerker, with no stealth, clones, aegis, mobility, heals, disengage on lower than 40 seconds CD, then come here again , we will all accept your apologies

haha, nice try Fortus, but my first 80 was an Ele and is probably the char i’m most familiar with.

I rolled a Thief after getting ganked on my Ele a bunch and now i don’t have as much trouble with thieves. Maybe if you spent as much time playing a thief as you do QQing you may learn a thing or two

edit; i forgot to make a point, haha.

A video of highlights, of only the most positive aspects of the most extreme offensive build, isn’t great evidence. It shows only the positive potentials of the build but none of the negative potentials.

I would argue that if you run this build you would spend the majority of your time grappling with the negative aspects, and a small portion of the rest of your time ganking people.

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Posted by: yski.7642

yski.7642

but it isnt, because unlike most thieves, he isnt a bad player and knows how to use stealth, blinds, teleports and above all; common sense…… things that your average Joe thief player cant do and hence they think their class is “bad”

Wanna play a profession on tribulation mode? Try elementalists with full zerker, with no stealth, clones, aegis, mobility, heals, disengage on lower than 40 seconds CD and with cantrips on 70 to 90 secoinds CD for skills that other professions have on <30 secs CD, then come here again , we will all accept your apologies

I do that in sPvP, actually. I just wish my ele was level 80 for some WvW compilations

Practically every profession is capable of doing ridiculous burst when built for it, and I wouldn’t really say eles are any harder than a 4 signet thief. Warriors I feel are easier due to the ridiculous range, but maybe that’s just me.
Here are some quick videos, because I like linking stuff:

As for my survivability, I do indeed die, though not as much as you might think, partly due to the fact I used to main a zerker necro and thus learned to love my mobility, or anything that lets me not to facetank things for that matter. That being said, until you get used to it you probably would spend most of your time taking dirtnaps.

Learn the ways of the mighty Deathleaf: http://www.youtube.com/user/YskiTheBanshee

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Posted by: Sickle.6502

Sickle.6502

No way a warrior can do that much damage with a sword and board set up…. 16k damage?
Cheating here or what?

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Posted by: Requiem.8769

Requiem.8769

No way a warrior can do that much damage with a sword and board set up…. 16k damage?
Cheating here or what?

That was in sPvP. In WvW, expect 20k+.

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Posted by: Sickle.6502

Sickle.6502

How?

That’s a kittened amount of damage that people are putting out, how is that possible?

Someone send me a link with Info please, I need to see this for myself.

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Posted by: Deepcuts.9740

Deepcuts.9740

Ranger: what are you guys talking about here? There is such thing as 16K+ 20K+ damage?
Ranger: All I see is 1k – 2K if I am lucky…sometimes

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Posted by: Shirk.6421

Shirk.6421

Ranger: what are you guys talking about here? There is such thing as 16K+ 20K+ damage?
Ranger: All I see is 1k – 2K if I am lucky…sometimes

So true T_T

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Posted by: yski.7642

yski.7642

No way a warrior can do that much damage with a sword and board set up…. 16k damage?
Cheating here or what?

This is sPvP, and I’m sure you could do higher. If it’s sword you’re interested in, you’re looking at around 10k sPvP crits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-1do5naLmU

I do remember someone hitting 10ks on ranger greatsword in WvW at some point, though I have no idea if that’s been nerfed.

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Posted by: Jayden Ennok.3687

Jayden Ennok.3687

No way a warrior can do that much damage with a sword and board set up…. 16k damage?
Cheating here or what?

This is sPvP, and I’m sure you could do higher. If it’s sword you’re interested in, you’re looking at around 10k sPvP crits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-1do5naLmU

I do remember someone hitting 10ks on ranger greatsword in WvW at some point, though I have no idea if that’s been nerfed.

I am not familiar with warrior class so I find it interesting that only 10pts in tactics gives 20% dmg increase. Thieves have to go 30pts in critical to get that.

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