Guild Wars 2

I just logged into the game and spotted right away that something is wrong.

I am very disappointed that you have updated camera movement and didnt even leave option for smooth camera movement. I really loved it, got used to it throughout ~5 years of playing GW1. In addition my mouse isn’t working very well and the new camera work make my eyes hurt a bit :/

Can you please make it available again as an option, for people who want to have it?

<It’s an order>

Yes, I agree too. The image looks worse now. Reminds me of Allods. GGggrrr!

I found the reduction of camera smoothness to be the greatest improvement to the game since release. In fact, I would like to see it completely gone (just lock the camera to the mouse, same as virtually every other game does).

But I see no reason why there couldn’t be an option to enable it, for people who like the “drunken camera” effect.

The reason why the camera makes your eyes hurt is probably related to the FoV, which is fine if you sit far from your monitor, but physically incorrect if you sit close to the monitor, as most players do. That mismatch between distance and perspective gives a lot of people nausea and headaches, which is why a FoV slider is a standard feature in virtually every 3D game (but apparently too complex to implement with GW2’s engine – although the game already changes the FoV for bosses and vistas, and although external applications can change it just fine, and although people with multiple monitors get a wider FoV – but I digress…).

Anyway: camera smoothing is a horrible thing, IMO, but I see no technical reason why it can’t be enabled through an option in the menu for people who want it.

Only bring it back if it can be TOGGLED OFF.

Camera Smoothing seems like a trivial feature to begin with… why have it and what purpose does it serve? It’s a sacrifice of gameplay for looking nice. Just remove it completely and allow those who like it to toggle it on and off.

Thats all i want: to be able to toggle it on. I really love it. I personally think it’s not very nice thing to just get rid of it once and for all. It has been there, so I have no idea why it could not stay. Just make it optional, in case somebody doesnt like it.

It may sound funny for you but smooth camera movement was one of my favourite features in gw1 and gw2 for me.

I can’t believe you thought it was a good thing. It blows my mind. I read the title and thought “NOO!!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!! THE REALLY HOT KIND!!11”

I can’t complain about a toggle though. There’s never anything bad about adding options.

Camera/mouse smoothing (interpolation) is terrible, inaccurate, and never implemented properly or reasonably. It should not have been introduced into the game in first place. 95%+ of games do NOT use it.

“I just logged into the game and spotted right away that something is wrong.” – made me laugh. Also the few posts titled something like “The new camera makes me sick!” is just straight LOL material, I mean kitten people…

Idolicious.6091:

Camera/mouse smoothing (interpolation) is terrible, inaccurate, and never implemented properly or reasonably. It should not have been introduced into the game in first place. 95%+ of games do NOT use it.

“I just logged into the game and spotted right away that something is wrong.” – made me laugh. Also the few posts titled something like “The new camera makes me sick!” is just straight LOL material, I mean kitten people…

Just because you don’t like it, it doesn’t mean others think the same. I’ve been playing Guild Wars 1 for over 4 years and got used to that camera work. I actually like it alot more than what we have now. It was one more thing which made GW1 and GW2 speciall If it was so bad, they would have changed it back in GW1. Not my fault there are so many people who have played WoW and dont like the camera work simply cuz they are not used to it. It doesnt mean that they should get rid of it once and for all.

See, I don’ want them to bring it back for everyone, I would just like to see it as an option, for those who like it.

I didn’t notice any change.

Though I can’t see any argument against making it an option.

Definitely add an option. I personally prefer the smoothing off (having it on makes me feel queazy and like the game is lagging) but if it was easy to remove from this patch, I’d definitely agree to add it back in as a toggle.

Ty alot for all your support guys. It’s not a big thing you might think, but I really like it. I bet there are more people who like it too. Having multiple options is always good.

Smelly Bookah.6957:

I actually like it alot more than what we have now. It was one more thing which made GW1 and GW2 speciall If it was so bad, they would have changed it back in GW1. Not my fault there are so many people who have played WoW and dont like the camera work simply cuz they are not used to it…

Liking something that’s bad doesn’t make it any less bad. If you want the option for smoothing, I’m not against it – never did I say I was. However, forcing it on people was a mistake, which has now been rectified. Not sure how you correlate “camera smoothing” to “special,” but whatever…lol…

Also, I played GW1 for over 6 years, what point were you trying to make talking about WoW? I’m sorry, but it’s not just WoW players that don’t want a laggy camera system, it’s every decent PC gamer out there – minus those that like to hamper their own performance. But to each their own…

I wrote a suggestion earlier, they simply need to put it as an option, it’s unfair that people with decent PCs should have to put up with a reduction in quality because low end PCs can’t cope with a feature, that’s why there are graphic quality options so people can get the best out of what they have. Also even with a low end PC one may decide they would rather have this feature on at the expense of another quality option being lower to compensate, it should be up to user preference.

Whether you like camera smoothing or not may be related to one’s tolerance of screen flicker. Back in the CRT days, refresh rates less than 80hz quickly gave me a headache. The new camera system seems to have a similar flicker effect to it while moving. So please add an option for camera smoothing. Maybe even a slider to dial in the amount of smoothing needed.

To those that have or will mention “combat effectiveness”, please keep in mind that someone with sore eyes or a flicker induced headache will have poor performance. Their combat efficiency may well improve by use of camera smoothing.

Toggle Option is best bet, I like it much better now, but respect some people like it. Make us all happy and give US the option

This is like a discussion I had with my friend about why there isn’t a first person mode. His argument was that he wouldn’t want it because you wouldn’t be able to use your skills in the right way… but really thats never been the purpose of first person mode for me; its another option.
Its something which lets you experience the game in the way you want to experience, become more immersed, increase the difficulty by not being able to see enemies behind you. I mean in a game with so much cosmetic detail, not being able to view the world in first person means you have to awkwardly position the camera to properly see npc characters faces, details on buildings etc. You should always be able to scroll the camera right in, just like you could in GW1.
The same goes for being able to toggle camera smoothness!

ITT bunch of people that don’t know what it does and think it is horrible it is now reduced without being able to explain why.

Wonder why I should take you even remotely seriously.

For the love of god, DO NOT bring camera smoothing back as it would be one of the worst ideas ever.
You can bring it back as a box that players may chose to enable or disable, but do not FORCE us to play with that kitten, thank you.
Also, add an fov-slider, for the millionth time. (How hard is it to understand what the players are asking for..?)

We’ve updated the camera to reduce the amount of camera smoothing currently in the game in order to lower the frequency of related bugs. We’re still looking into other camera issues, but we decided to make this quick change because it greatly improves the gameplay experience.

Given the way this note reads, I’m guessing that it will be brought back only when they are able to work out all related bugs with camera smoothing. With the feedback received, as well, I’d guess it will also be a toggle option.

Just be patient.

It can’t really understand these choices… If there was something in the game that did work, why take it out without giving a toggle option?

It’s probably the same like with the aura around the target that was in the game a long time ago and they defended for a long time… It was suddenly gone without any option to bring it back. I miss it…

I couldn’t agree more. Camera smoothing has been a part of the Guild Wars since the release of GW1. I’m so used to it that I just can’t play without it. It’s the new players who didn’t want the smoothing to be in the game, because most other MMOs don’t have it. By changing it however ArenaNet turned their back to their most loyal fans. Please give an option to either enable or disable it so that everybody wins. I will not play the game before this happens.

Kimi.6402:

I couldn’t agree more. Camera smoothing has been a part of the Guild Wars since the release of GW1. I’m so used to it that I just can’t play without it. It’s the new players who didn’t want the smoothing to be in the game, because most other MMOs don’t have it. By changing it however ArenaNet turned their back to their most loyal fans. Please give an option to either enable or disable it so that everybody wins. I will not play the game before this happens.

Exactly! I understand it very well that alot of players don’t like camera smoothness, but why for the love of Lag would you want to get rid of it completely? I seriously don’t like A-Net policy about some stuff. Instead of making things customizable, they just change it however they like. Remember old good Guild Wars 1 where you could customize your UI for example in billions of ways? That was cool. We must remind A-Net of that, not only in aspect of camera smoothing or UI.

Kimi.6402:

By changing it however ArenaNet turned their back to their most loyal fans. Please give an option to either enable or disable it so that everybody wins. I will not play the game before this happens.

Please don’t be so dramatic. ANet has stated that the camera has issues and associated bugs. They did what they thought was in the game’s best interest, not to “turn their back on their most loyal fans”.

It has absolutely nothing to do with “loyalty”, especially when you consider they’re trying to appease everyone while doing what’s best for the game and rope in both old and new fans of the GW universe.

Camera/mouse smoothing (interpolation) is terrible, inaccurate

Yeah, the accuracy of the camera is definitely super important in this game! Are you serious?

Cinder.4865:

ANet has stated that the camera has issues and associated bugs. They did what they thought was in the game’s best interest

The thing is I personally havent noticed any bugs at all. For me everything was just fine. I know alot of people didnt like it so it’s totally fine that they have changed it. The only thing I don’t like is that they totally got rid of the previous option.

Could this be why I now get a head ache playing GW2? :O

The bugs associated with it were targeting ones for skills. As you looked around, many skills fired off in the wrong direction, causing them to miss. There were/are also issues with targets switching mid-fight meaning you end up attacking the wrong mob.

Until they fix those other bugs, they’ve removed the smoothing so that these issues are “fixed”. I’ll take a slightly jerkier camera over impaired combat effectiveness for now, certainly.

I do agree that a toggle would be nice when these issues are fixed, but for now I definitely feel they made the right move.

TottWriter.8591:

The bugs associated with it were targeting ones for skills. As you looked around, many skills fired off in the wrong direction, causing them to miss. There were/are also issues with targets switching mid-fight meaning you end up attacking the wrong mob.

Until they fix those other bugs, they’ve removed the smoothing so that these issues are “fixed”. I’ll take a slightly jerkier camera over impaired combat effectiveness for now, certainly.

I do agree that a toggle would be nice when these issues are fixed, but for now I definitely feel they made the right move.

Well I personally never encountered such bug.

Let’s just hope though that they bring it back once they are done fixing what needs to be fixed.