Guild Wars 2

You’ve added appreance change. Now im sugesting a class change.

Now obviosly people will say.. Why not just lvl another character. Well tbh i myself , and i know others must feel this way, dont wanna go through the game leveling again.

I dont mind doing it 2 or 3 times ..specialy if they are different ..but after you reach a certain level, the story progression, and places you level in, merge and become the same. This gets boring quikly.

I would much rather have the choice to switch classes.

Obviosly this mean equipment may be rendered usless but thats up to the user to prepair for.

Anyway ..that be my sugestion.

That’s a bit of a stretch in logic, “Appearance Kits, THEN changing your character in every possible way.” There’s a reason why you can’t change your Class/Profession/Calling in other games, and all of them apply here, along with several others.

First, it unbalances the game’s population load in terms of class. There’s a good number of players who are Warriors, or Necromancers, or Thieves, or take your pick. When you start enabling people to take their level 80 character, and convert them free of labor to another class, it creates a vacuum where players will start changing all of their characters to the flavor of the month class, rather than creating a character, investing time leveling and gearing it, and actually playing it.

This also lowers the replay value of the game, meaning people will start to leave to find other interesting content now that they feel they’ve ‘completed’ the game.

It also presents player with Pay to Win content, which is something everyone gets up in arms over.

Overall, its just a bad idea. I suffer the same problems when I’m leveling characters, but this isn’t the idea I reach for when that starts happening.

Class change is a bad Idea, you want to take a character level it to 80 then pay $25 dollars a month to change it to what ever class you want?

Myxam.2790 is right it destroys replay and essentially it would destroy games, in fact I have never seen a MMO that I can think of that is at all successful that allows class changing. There is a reason for this, cause it ruins games. I say suck it up if you really want to play a Thieve, mesmer or elementalist or what ever profession you want level it. you don’t like leveling I am sorry i guess if you really want it you will do it.

I don’t think it would ruin the game, but I do think it would reduce the incentive to “learn” your class by gradually adding in complexity.

That said, it’s 100% not happening.

timmyf.1490:

I don’t think it would ruin the game, but I do think it would reduce the incentive to “learn” your class by gradually adding in complexity.

That said, it’s 100% not happening.

Not arguing with you but, if it does not ruin games then why has no MMO done this option yet. I mean lets face it WoW doesn’t really care if you know your class or not, they even offered on a revived account a level 80 per MoP. This is a company that doesn’t care if you replay content or sit in a city, yet they have never done class change.

it’s a great idea. Why the heck are you talking about replay? It’s completely invalid argument. Not everyone thinks the same. For example I invested alot in my guardian. He has msot of the dyes unlocked (including most expensive ones). And you suggest I should make a new character? No thank you, I don’t find it enjoyable. And I am not an altoholic, so if I made a new warrior, I probably would never play tmy guardian again.
Class change is absolutely great idea and I strongly hope it will be implemented into the game.

Smelly Bookah.6957:

it’s a great idea. Why the heck are you talking about replay? It’s completely invalid argument. Not everyone thinks the same. For example I invested alot in my guardian. He has msot of the dyes unlocked (including most expensive ones). And you suggest I should make a new character? No thank you, I don’t find it enjoyable. And I am not an altoholic, so if I made a new warrior, I probably would never play tmy guardian again.
Class change is absolutely great idea and I strongly hope it will be implemented into the game.

That is your choice, so instead of investing time into a game you supposedly love, you want to be lazy and just change to a different class when you feel this suits your laziness?

I doubt this will ever be implemented and I for one am glad that NO GAME EVER has done this, if in the process we make a bunch of lazy people mad and they stop playing then so be it I am fine with that.

Before you go off and say “I am not a lazy person I do his this blah blah” I don’t care about your life or what you do, your comment was in a round about way saying,
" I leveled one character, got a lot of stuff on them and I don’t feel like doing it again cause I really didn’t enjoy it the first time. So I don’t see why I should level another character when I think they should just allow me to be what ever class is out there."

I am sorry you don’t understand replay
Why the heck are you talking about replay? It’s completely invalid argument.
Replay: the fact that playing a different race/ profession/ and character personalities can yield different story mechanics through out your game. Your Personality IE: Charming, Ferocious, or Noble change how Npc’s react with you. Doing it once through only shows you a small aspect of how the game reacts to your character and how the world reacts to you. The ability to make different choices and see different things is in all essential REPLAY

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Kaimick.5109:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

it’s a great idea. Why the heck are you talking about replay? It’s completely invalid argument. Not everyone thinks the same. For example I invested alot in my guardian. He has msot of the dyes unlocked (including most expensive ones). And you suggest I should make a new character? No thank you, I don’t find it enjoyable. And I am not an altoholic, so if I made a new warrior, I probably would never play tmy guardian again.
Class change is absolutely great idea and I strongly hope it will be implemented into the game.

That is your choice, so instead of investing time into a game you supposedly love, you want to be lazy and just change to a different class when you feel this suits your laziness?

I doubt this will ever be implemented and I for one am glad that NO GAME EVER has done this, if in the process we make a bunch of lazy people mad and they stop playing then so be it I am fine with that.

Before you go off and say “I am not a lazy person I do his this blah blah” I don’t care about your life or what you do, your comment was in a round about way saying,
" I leveled one character, got a lot of stuff on them and I don’t feel like doing it again cause I really didn’t enjoy it the first time. So I don’t see why I should level another character when I think they should just allow me to be what ever class is out there."

I am sorry you don’t understand replay
Why the heck are you talking about replay? It’s completely invalid argument.
Replay: the fact that playing a different race/ profession/ and character personalities can yield different story mechanics through out your game. Your Personality IE: Charming, Ferocious, or Noble change how Npc’s react with you. Doing it once through only shows you a small aspect of how the game reacts to your character and how the world reacts to you. The ability to make different choices and see different things is in all essential REPLAY

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U failed to make any valid point.

Actually I did enjoy doing it for the 1st time, but to be perfectly honest I probably would find it dull doing it for the second time. Leveling in pretty much empty zones is a terrible experience.
I do understand replay. But I would choose the same path, as it’s the best one (yes, I’ve tried them all), and I would like to see how it would continue in future expansions.
Moreover, if class change would be implemented, it should also reset your personal story. So there goes your replay.

You are entitled to your own opinion, however u cannot force it upon other people. If you don’t like the idea of class change, then don’t use it. I don’t see a point why other people who might want to do it should not be given the opportunity. They would have to pay for it, so I assure you this option would not be abused.

Now, can you come up with some decent counter argument this time? Except alleged laziness of some people? I’d gladly hear it. And don’t try to guess my response to it, as you will probably fail, like this time.

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

it’s a great idea. Why the heck are you talking about replay? It’s completely invalid argument. Not everyone thinks the same. For example I invested alot in my guardian. He has msot of the dyes unlocked (including most expensive ones). And you suggest I should make a new character? No thank you, I don’t find it enjoyable. And I am not an altoholic, so if I made a new warrior, I probably would never play tmy guardian again.
Class change is absolutely great idea and I strongly hope it will be implemented into the game.

That is your choice, so instead of investing time into a game you supposedly love, you want to be lazy and just change to a different class when you feel this suits your laziness?

I doubt this will ever be implemented and I for one am glad that NO GAME EVER has done this, if in the process we make a bunch of lazy people mad and they stop playing then so be it I am fine with that.

Before you go off and say “I am not a lazy person I do his this blah blah” I don’t care about your life or what you do, your comment was in a round about way saying,
" I leveled one character, got a lot of stuff on them and I don’t feel like doing it again cause I really didn’t enjoy it the first time. So I don’t see why I should level another character when I think they should just allow me to be what ever class is out there."

I am sorry you don’t understand replay
Why the heck are you talking about replay? It’s completely invalid argument.
Replay: the fact that playing a different race/ profession/ and character personalities can yield different story mechanics through out your game. Your Personality IE: Charming, Ferocious, or Noble change how Npc’s react with you. Doing it once through only shows you a small aspect of how the game reacts to your character and how the world reacts to you. The ability to make different choices and see different things is in all essential REPLAY

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U failed to make any valid point.

Actually I did enjoy doing it for the 1st time, but to be perfectly honest I probably would find it dull doing it for the second time. Leveling in pretty much empty zones is a terrible experience.
I do understand replay. But I would choose the same path, as it’s the best one (yes, I’ve tried them all), and I would like to see how it would continue in future expansions.
Moreover, if class change would be implemented, it should also reset your personal story. So there goes your replay.

You are entitled to your own opinion, however u cannot force it upon other people. If you don’t like the idea of class change, then don’t use it. I don’t see a point why other people who might want to do it should not be given the opportunity. They would have to pay for it, so I assure you this option would not be abused.

Now, can you come up with some decent counter argument this time? Except alleged laziness of some people? I’d gladly hear it. And don’t try to guess my response to it, as you will probably fail, like this time.

Actually I did enjoy doing it for the 1st time, but to be perfectly honest I probably would find it dull doing it for the second time.

But I would choose the same path, as it’s the best one (yes, I’ve tried them all)

So you played through and your guardian choose a path hen restarted and choice a second path and then restarted and choose a third, fourth, fifth, and so on. Yet your response says
“but to be perfectly honest I probably would find it dull doing it for the second time”
which means you have never played any other character but the one and never restarted as your own statement says you don’t know but you assume it would be dull a second time. Which this statement say’s you have never done it a second time. Yet you have done every combination of options to adjust your story-line when those options are deemed in character creation……

You are entitled to your own opinion, however u cannot force it upon other people

Your right I don’t have to force it upon you… Arena Net does that for me thanks

I am sorry you felt that my "Except alleged laziness of some people? " bothered you so much, but your statement implies that.

I am not going to insult you and be immature about it like you have, I am just going to tell you that what your last post just proclaimed contradicts it self and is to at least me a lie of some sort. Seeing as you can not have played every possible scenario to the end with out restarting a whole new character and trying one of the many many different combinations. Then tell everyone you think, you would find it dull the second time Implying you have not done it.

I don’t have to come up with a argument that you find valid, I just have to point out the things you say don’t make sense.

#1: “Equipment rendered useless” comment from the OP is only slightly right. If I swap from a Ranger to a Thief/Engineer, my gear is still exactly the same.

#2: “most dyes unlocked” comment from Smellybookah is terrible reasoning. Dye packs, or subsequent time grinding them out are a source for A-net income. Cutting any of the slim money they’re making is a generally bad idea.

#3: “I’d choose the same path, as it’s the best one” comment from Smellybookah is absolutely wrong. EVERY path is exactly the same. The only difference it makes is what Order armor you get a little easier than the rest.

#4: “…yet they have never done a class change” comment from Kaimick is absolutely wrong. In Guild Wars 1, class changes were required for at least four titles, and a handful of side quests. While you could never change your primary profession, you could still have nine secondaries, and in most cases, the difference is big enough to call each one it’s own class.

With those out of the way… here’s why class changes might be a good idea:

#1: Some people don’t want to start over.
(If anyone comes up with another reason, please let me know)

Here’s why class changes are a bad idea:

#1: A hurt to A-net profit. Unless the cost of your character class change is equal to the total cost of all your bag slots again, any armor/town clothes from the gem store, and a new character slot, it would be a bad decision.

#2: The whole point is keeping people around for longer, grinding away and spending more small amounts of money in micro-transactions. A second character takes more time, keeping you in the metaphorical shop longer, and increasing the chance that you’ll spend money, and also means you may spend twice as much (see above).

#3: Most people can’t figure out how to play one profession well. Giving them an instant switch, with none of the learning time, is a bad idea.

#4: Every profession can already perform every party role equally with every other profession. With that in mind, the only benefit to changing professions would be the cosmetic difference in armor.

#4: “…yet they have never done a class change” comment from Kaimick is absolutely wrong. In Guild Wars 1, class changes were required for at least four titles, and a handful of side quests. While you could never change your primary profession, you could still have nine secondaries, and in most cases, the difference is big enough to call each one it’s own class.

That is because in Guild Wars they had a multi profession system, that is not the same as what is being stated here. Also as you just stated you could never change your primary profession. So saying they are the same thing Multi profession vs. monoprofession Arena Net nor has any other game ever allowed you to change your primary profession or class. Ergo my statement still holds true.

I think the only way this could be logically done is in a means similar to this:
You may only change your class to another class of the same tier.

Example:
Warrior → Guardian

Thief → Ranger
Thief→Engineer
Ranger→Engineer

Elementalist → Necromancer
Elementalist → Mesmer
Mesmer→ Necromancer

In order to swap you have to be level 80 and finished the Arah Story line, (Gw1 you had to be ascended or closer to the stars or Hunted to switch classes) so killing Zaitan sounds about fair. And you can only do one of the above combinations. Cool down of once a month.

Wolfey.3407:

I think the only way this could be logically done is in a means similar to this:
You may only change your class to another class of the same tier.

Example:
Warrior -> Guardian

Thief -> Ranger
Thief->Engineer
Ranger->Engineer

Elementalist -> Necromancer
Elementalist -> Mesmer
Mesmer-> Necromancer

In order to swap you have to be level 80 and finished the Arah Story line, (Gw1 you had to be ascended or closer to the stars or Hunted to switch classes) so killing Zaitan sounds about fair. And you can only do one of the above combinations. Cool down of once a month.

But you still were not allowed to switch your primary Profession.
I really wish people would stop saying In GW1 you could change your profession. This is wrong in so many ways, Guild Wars never allowed you to change your Profession, they allowed you to change your SECONDARY PROFESSION. Secondary profession not being the same as Profession.

Wolfey.3407:

Kaimick please get your panties out of a bunch for a second, If you bothered to read my post and took a couple deep breathes in you would have understood a couple of real basic things.

1) “I think the only way this could be logically done”
Stating more or less its a slim chance but if it were to be done this may be the only way. Now i know i used a lot of big words there

2) This is Guild Wars 2
TWO
DEUX
Two comes after one
1+1=2
do you understand basic math? if not i feel sorry for you, on to this point. With it being GUILD WARS 2. a few principals and logistics should be based on…
wait for it
wait for it
GUILD WARS 1

As for your arrogant comment of Professions and lack of recognition that main and primaries do not equate to gw1’s professions. In Guild Wars 1, your primary didn’t really mean a kitten thing besides what armour you could wear.

Proof:
Rit/Neco
Necro/Rit
Monk/Rit
Rit/Monk
War/Derv
Derv/War

It’s like saying
Sorry Christians you can’t use your bible since the new testament is an advancement of the old testament. I don’t mind you having a different opinion but do the following next time.

1) Get your panties out of a bunch
2) Try looking at the other side of the coin besides going into a discussion bull headed.

Have a happy holiday season (you probably don’t believe in modern holidays either since they are based on another and we can’t use prior event to build upon a new event) :rolls eyes:

So you resolve to personal attacks, against my “Intelligence” Which is a direct violation of the ToS of the forums that you agreed to nice.

On the other note I am sorry you felt angered by the fact I simply pointed out that changing secondary profession in GW was not the same as changing the primary.

Kaimick.5109:

Actually I did enjoy doing it for the 1st time, but to be perfectly honest I probably would find it dull doing it for the second time.

But I would choose the same path, as it’s the best one (yes, I’ve tried them all)

So you played through and your guardian choose a path hen restarted and choice a second path and then restarted and choose a third, fourth, fifth, and so on. Yet your response says
“but to be perfectly honest I probably would find it dull doing it for the second time”
which means you have never played any other character but the one and never restarted as your own statement says you don’t know but you assume it would be dull a second time. Which this statement say’s you have never done it a second time. Yet you have done every combination of options to adjust your story-line when those options are deemed in character creation……

You are entitled to your own opinion, however u cannot force it upon other people

Your right I don’t have to force it upon you… Arena Net does that for me thanks

I am sorry you felt that my "Except alleged laziness of some people? " bothered you so much, but your statement implies that.

I am not going to insult you and be immature about it like you have, I am just going to tell you that what your last post just proclaimed contradicts it self and is to at least me a lie of some sort. Seeing as you can not have played every possible scenario to the end with out restarting a whole new character and trying one of the many many different combinations. Then tell everyone you think, you would find it dull the second time Implying you have not done it.

I don’t have to come up with a argument that you find valid, I just have to point out the things you say don’t make sense.

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Ehh I see you have problems will logical thinking. Ok, I’ll name it directly. I did play all three social classes on my human characters, up to like level 20. Ok, it’s my fault I did not use proper wording, however I very often use mental shortcuts, since most of the people can figure them out without posting dumb comments. Rest of the choices till lvl 20 made very little, difference. And from that experience I can already tell replay has very little value to me.

As for your opinion, you are unable to provide any decent argument. Thats a fact. You just say no, because only lazy people would use it. And what because of that? Would that affect your personal experience in any way? Nopes. Therefore your argument is invalid. Argument that other games have not implemented it is invalid, as Guild Wars 2 is completely different game.
Moreover, this service would be pretty much the same as experience boosters. Just for convenience.
Now try to come up with decent argument.
Bear in mind english is not my native language so I might have problems with proper wording of my thoughts sometimes. So please try to figure out what I meant, as it isn’t that complicated.

Wolfey.3407:

I think the only way this could be logically done is in a means similar to this:
You may only change your class to another class of the same tier.

Example:
Warrior -> Guardian

Thief -> Ranger
Thief->Engineer
Ranger->Engineer

Elementalist -> Necromancer
Elementalist -> Mesmer
Mesmer-> Necromancer

In order to swap you have to be level 80 and finished the Arah Story line, (Gw1 you had to be ascended or closer to the stars or Hunted to switch classes) so killing Zaitan sounds about fair. And you can only do one of the above combinations. Cool down of once a month.

I agree as for profession tiers, however I disagree with second part of your suggestion. I think there should be no restrictions regarding level or progress in story.

I personally think class change should allow you to rewrite your biography. I think all of this could be implemented (unless I am wrong), so technical issues do not stand in the way.

As for cooldown I think it’s not the best idea either. Just price this service at 15 or 20$ and all of the other problems are solved. Probably noone would change his class too often due to cost. But even if, it’s none of your business since it does not affect your own game experience in any way.

In GW1, primary profession did make a difference.

Only mesmers could use fast casting. Only Necros could use Soul Reaping. Every profession had their primary attribute that only they could use. Their armor also had unique bonuses to it. Warriors only had 2 energy regeneration while casters had 4 due to stats being added to their armor. Warriors had extra armor vs physical dmg, while rangers had extra armor vs elemental dmg, again special bonuses on the armor.

Then you could not add runes of certain professions to another. Any other class could not put the +3 fire or +1 Energy Storage rune on their armor. Each profession also had unique insignias that could be added.

With the above said, primary profession made a huge difference in gw1, not just the way your armor looks or that it was heavy or light. It’s not like you could have been one profession and be able to effectively run every build in the game. A spell casing warrior was a bad idea, since they had 20 base energy and only 2 regeneration. Not to mention that it lacks the primary bonuses like Energy Storage or Soul Reaping. A necro could run just about any spell casting build due to Soul Reaping, yes, but it would have lacked the power. An elementalist with 16 fire magic, who could easily manage their energy perfectly fine, is much more devastating than wanna-be fire casting necro. Also, SC’s required certain builds with certain stats, like a 16 shadow arts assassin to easily maintain SF without having to rely on other skills, while a bu was active ofc.

Primary profession in GW1 did matter and that could not be changed. Therefor Kaimick is correct.

I also support the idea that it should not be allowed in GW2. Having a lot of dyes on one character is not a very good point. I doubt that you use all of those. It’s also not the end of the world if you have to settle with something a little lighter than abyss. The fact that you only need 1 dye to dye your whole set as many times as you like is a big money saver. I don’t wanna know how many black and white dyes I’ve bought in gw1. As for leveling, if you played your character long enough, you should have some money gathered. If you hate leveling so much, you could craft your way to 80 in no time. Or at least use it to give a boost. I do prefer they way you level in gw2 over any over MMO I’ve played in anycase.

Sorry for the long post but I’ve shared that I meant to share.

Aggresive Teapot.2314:

I also support the idea that it should not be allowed in GW2. Having a lot of dyes on one character is not a very good point. I doubt that you use all of those. It’s also not the end of the world if you have to settle with something a little lighter than abyss. The fact that you only need 1 dye to dye your whole set as many times as you like is a big money saver. I don’t wanna know how many black and white dyes I’ve bought in gw1. As for leveling, if you played your character long enough, you should have some money gathered. If you hate leveling so much, you could craft your way to 80 in no time. Or at least use it to give a boost. I do prefer they way you level in gw2 over any over MMO I’ve played in anycase.

Sorry for the long post but I’ve shared that I meant to share.

Ok, you disagree, but why?
You are supposed to give reasonable argument against it.
Would it bother you if someone changed his class? Would it affect your game experience in any way?
If not then why say no? It would jsut be another convenience service you would have to pay for. It would not affect the balance of the game in any possible way, nor would destroy the experience of those who are against it.

The others has made that point which i agree with. No point in typing it all again.

Aggresive Teapot.2314:

The others has made that point which i agree with. No point in typing it all again.

No, you type it. Why in your opinion it should not be implemented. Go on, do it.