Guild Wars 2

I think it would be cool if Commander tag color changed depending on your rank

Taobella.6597:

I think it would be cool if Commander tag color changed depending on your rank

I don’t know how it should be done, but there definitely needs to be something to help players choose what commander to listen to.

In time, we are going to have a ridiculous amount of commanders on every map. The good ones will keep their tag off because they don’t want to further confuse pugs, but the bad ones will not care and keep theirs on all of the time.

It is definitely going to be a problem once more and more TP warriors get their commander tag.

Maybe you need to listen to all the commanders? Having several on a map works beautifully when they are communicating and working together. Is one is being difficult then /ignore him, is not that hard.

MrKnieves.4162:

Maybe you need to listen to all the commanders? Having several on a map works beautifully when they are communicating and working together. Is one is being difficult then /ignore him, is not that hard.

You’re right – it isn’t hard for you or I to pick a commander at the moment. That’s partially because we know WvW and can tell a good commander from a really bad one. Newer players, though, are going to have a much harder time trying to figure out what to do and who to listen to – especially when the map is cluttered with commander icons.

I’m just saying that the longer this game is out, more and more people are going to get their commander tags. You are going to eventually get troll commanders that start screaming to not listen to commander X, Y, and Z because “they are nubs”. Those commanders will then build rams out in an open field.

While I don’t think it is a huge problem right now, the chance of it really messing up WvW increases the longer that GW2 is out.

I’m hoping that eventually we’ll get a mechanic that limits the number of commanders icons that can be on the map. Say for instance, you can only have a maximum of 10 commander icons on the map, and those commanders are the ones with the highest WXP. That’s just tossing an idea around, but you get the idea. Having color coded commanders may be another way of doing it.

We have commanders like those on CD every now and then. But we approach them and let them know that we have a community and some sort of organization going and after a while they start working together. All it takes is a little communication and an effort to include them into the greater community.

For those commanders that always trying to bully everyone and refuse to listen, I never see more than 5 people following them when there are more competent commanders around, eventually they just go, not without throwing a hissifit.

Still though, can you not foresee it being a problem when 25% of GW2 players have commander tags?

I do agree with what you’re saying for the present. Right now it is manageable because not that many people have commander tags, and the ones that do actually play WvW and are willing to communicate and compromise with others.

But, when I’m looking a year or so ahead, I see it being a problem when we have 25-50 commanders on a map. That in itself could be a problem, but we will also be getting troll-ish commanders on top of that. What happens when we have 50 commanders and 10 of them are little brats? Confusion and a lack of unification, as well as people arguing back and forth in map or team chat

i mean i don’t mind having 5 – 10 commander on the map but when i view my mini map and if everything was color coded i could react a lot faster then trying open up my map well i am in combat trying to figure out where the commander i need to head to is.

because let face it a lot of commander use this line" BUILD ON ME !?" well that useful to them… it really useless to sever. but if they said "build on red " your like Oh alright he over there on my mini map i am on on it. with out being forced to open my map.

Maybe we could have map limit of 10 commander. After 10 you can’t click “Create” on your window

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Still though, can you not foresee it being a problem when 25% of GW2 players have commander tags?

I do agree with what you’re saying for the present. Right now it is manageable because not that many people have commander tags, and the ones that do actually play WvW and are willing to communicate and compromise with others.

But, when I’m looking a year or so ahead, I see it being a problem when we have 25-50 commanders on a map. That in itself could be a problem, but we will also be getting troll-ish commanders on top of that. What happens when we have 50 commanders and 10 of them are little brats? Confusion and a lack of unification, as well as people arguing back and forth in map or team chat

I don’t deny that the system could use some enhancement, but I dont think we will ever have 25 commanders on a map. We are already at that point where everyone and their mother can afford a tag if they want to (Hell, it only takes a week or two of running CoF 10 times a day, maybe less, to get 100 gold).

Commanding takes a LOT of energy and patience and not everyone is up for the task, and those who do burn out eventually and only serve as support commanders every now and then. Also, not because you have an expensive hat on you head people will blindly follow you. New WvWers might, for a short time, until you prove them you are worth following.

Colour changing would help multiple commanders on the same map, stack on the red commander etc

Also a guild designated tag for leaders/officers that only guild members can see.

I have a 500 man guild, if i bring 50 players to wvw its important they know who to follow. I could turn off and on my tag as i wanted my players to move around. I turn mine off my officer turns it on, they move to him etc

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Still though, can you not foresee it being a problem when 25% of GW2 players have commander tags?

Do you not see it being a problem when 5%/10%/15% of players have commander tags?

We’re 8 months into the game. Except when everyone is having a laugh on TS, I personally haven’t seen as many tags on one map as I saw 5 months ago. Anyone who wanted to get a commander tag by now could have gotten one. I had a guildmate who farmed one in 4 days, but I’ve only seen him use it once or twice.

A lot of people who get the tag abandon it quickly. Every week I see new commander names that I know I’ll never see again. Those that stick with it become better, but my server is facing a commander shortage more than anything because of burnout of good commanders. Even someone who wanted to troll with a tag, I think, would lack the patience to do it so consistently for it to present a problem.

I play on Desolation and we are one of the most populous servers, playing in euro tier #1. We more often have the problem that outside primetime there is no commander on our side on some of the maps. Bad commanders are bad, but even a mediocre/average commander is better than having no commander at all.

Several people suggested I should become a commander, so I finally did it a week ago (getting 100 g actually took time, because I am not into dungeon farming). Before that I communicated with some of the top commanders about this issue. I still have a lot to learn from the best Desolation commanders, but luckily we have an amazing community and co-operation between different guilds and commanders is becoming better everyday.

Many people don’t understand being a commander is a stressful work. Having a just some fancy WvWvW rank bears little correlation how good a person would be in tier #1 WvWvW play. You can get lots of WXP just following the karma train and how much personal skill or ability to lead and make strategical decision does being part of a big zerg require? I have been many times solo killing enemy invaders showing much higher rank than mine, using a balanced character, no stealth kills, fair 1-vs-1.

I can easily imagine why many commanders are hiding their tag most of the time. I also don’t display mine, unless the situation really needs it. After leading our amazing PuG mini zerg at EB and taking many objectives successfully I noticed that my family really needs me. I was many times calling on the map chat: “I need to go. Somebody else please take command”. Nobody was interested. I stayed on as long as I could, but eventually I had to leave.

The fact that commander title is bought with gold only is not an optimal situation. I think it should have some reasonable requirements e.g. at least have tier #2 in all WvWvW achievement categories or have at least WXP rank 8 or so or make it purchasable using 2000 badges of honor. One should not make those limits artificially too high, especially considering that the WXP is currently character bound. A very good veteran commander might want to make an alt commander, now his alt has zero WXP, ouch… I actually vote that both commander title and WXP ranks/points should be account bound. It simply makes more sense.

Yes, I only command random people, not my guild. But Desolation has amazing players! Our random people have heart, soul and skill. Cheers to everybody for amazing work they did in past 1 week. Desolation is up +20k points.

Taobella.6597:

I think it would be cool if Commander tag color changed depending on your rank

Having 100g and participate in every zerg possible for some nice rank farming will not necessarily make you a commander people should listen to.. The great thing about playing on a low/medium populated server is that most of the good commanders in WvW you know after a while..
Also, I read somewhere on these forums (and I agree totally) that a true commander does not need a tag.. Give advice, direct people towards locations, anyone with access to map chat can do that..

AggieTechGuy.4901:

The good ones will keep their tag off because they don’t want to further confuse pugs, but the bad ones will not care and keep theirs on all of the time.

Ah.. I feel so warm inside now.. :-) Main reason I don’t wear the tag is indeed to not lure every single player that spawns to me.. I only put it on to provide a marker to people so they know (for instance) which entrance of the garrison we’re hitting, or where exactly the breach in the wall is.. Once I see enough players, the tag goes off..
And yeah, I was called names earlier this week since I mapchatted to a commander why he had his tag on when doing the JP in our borderlands.. Answer “So the guild can see me” quite didn’t do it for me.. Oh well, he was quickly gone, since other experienced players started complaining as well..

Rank means nothing I believe… oh I haven’t been out with the WXP blob constantly since the patch – it means nothing.

I’ve got over 2k hours WvW time logged, leading since BWE1, and got an awesome WvW guild to boot, I did all of my grinding and unfaltering dedication to the job then, woke up in the morning, got into the battlegrounds and commanded, without the badge until I got it, and kept leading since. Just because I don’t choose to ride the WXP train everywhere and renew my fanatic and oftentimes sad dedication to it, doesn’t mean I’m a bad commander to be ignored -.- if these things were retroactive I would agree with you, but they’re not, so I couldn’t be more opposed to the idea.

[rant over]

Hey, maybe they should have tried to get some ad dollars from the military for using their rank insignia system.

“I’ll follow the lieutenant colonel instead of the sergeant.”

Did you know the Mayo Clinic has nothing to do with mayonnaise? I was all shocked.

i was not trying to suggest adding a coloring system would make you a better commander. i just thought it make it easier for viewing more commander on the map. just have like a new color unlock every 10 levels then you just flip threw them.

Are commander icons soulbound or accountbound? I’m pretty sure they are soulbound. So if an experienced commander jumps on an alt, no one should listen to them?

Quick Mouse.7635:

Are commander icons soulbound or accountbound? I’m pretty sure they are soulbound. So if an experienced commander jumps on an alt, no one should listen to them?

Commander title is soul / character bound, which doesn’t make sense. It should of course be account bound, plus also give a few more options to actually lead a larger group. Now it is just that blue dorito + squad chat channel, which nobody uses.

I guess Arenanet decided to get greedy, wanting to charge 100 g for those commanders who want alt commander as well. Oh, the new WXP ranks are also character bound. So in other words: Arenanet wants you to play just one character.