Guild Wars 2

Been playing Guild Wars 2 for a few month now, and i really feel like that i run out of interest in the game (i guess im not the only one).

And no i am not comparing it to WoW. I have been playing WoW and i will continue play till it get bored with it (5 years and still haven’t got bored of it).

But anyway, back to topic…so yes, there is that essence while i am playing that you can feel the lack of content. You see, i like (me and the most) new content, i don’t like going back to the same areas, when you complete something, i like to progress (me and the most out there, again).

Somewhere, i think on mmorpg.com i randomly saw a poll, asking “Would you buy a GW2 expansion if it comes out this year?”. There where 9 pages of replies in total, 8 of them was filled with “Obviously not”.

From what i noticed (might be wrong or its just my server) the population has dropped down dramatically.

I really liked few of the aspects of the game, i’m a PvEr and yet when you rich the higher level you have nothing to do. I felt like that the game was over just because i didn’t want to re-do what i have already done, same events or dungeons? Nah no thank you.

I’m not a no-lifer that has nothing else to do than just pressing WASD. Everything i mess with, i want to see progress and sadly GW2 lacks on that, it does not have that extra something that will make you stick to the game and please, for God’s sake, of course it will have it’s fans and yes they love it and its the best game that ever came out for them…

All i wanted to say is that ArenaNet should really invest much more than what they have done, trying to innovate too fast might either be a success but it could also be a failure…

That’s all i wanted to say

I just found the link of the post i was talking about;
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/view/forums/thread/374049/page/1

The results of the poll so far are:
Will you pay 60$ for the expansion.
Yes – 34.7%
No – 65.3%
Based on 783 votes.

I’m not getting the suggestion. Is it ‘more content’?

There’s a massive difference between ‘lack of content’ and ‘lack of content that you enjoy’

Also, the poll doesn’t ask "Would you buy a GW2 expansion if it comes out this year?”, like you said. Just saying.

Yes the suggestion is that they should add more content, in the most aspects of the game, if not in all

Reystar.8703:

Yes the suggestion is that they should add more content, in the most aspects of the game, if not in all

Huh huh. Because that’s something they’re not planning on doing over time?

Out of curiosity, what have you done in the game altogether?

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That said, right now I’m finding it a bit hard to log in, legendary weapon chasing is not my idea of endgame, it’s just an enormous grind fest, and while the whole game is suppose to be endgame, I’m feeling the lack of a proper endgame exclusive to max level characters only.
After you have a couple of max level toons and you have most of the exotic armors and weapons you need, unless you want legendary weapons there’s little reason to login at all.
It’s a shame really the game is awesome and gorgeous it only needs more incentives and proper rewards to keep people playing.
This coming from someone that loves the game and thought it would be awesome, you know the whole idea of no grind and the whole game is endgame.
in theory it sounds awesome and brilliant but in reality, hmm no grind yeah right, if you want anything that looks remotely awesome you better be prepared to endure some of the most horendous grindfest I’ve ever endured in any mmorpg ever !
To much RNG ruins the game completely !
And we need proper endgame exclusive to max level characters otherwise what’s the point of a max level toon other than explore mode dungeons, either that or give us a harder version of dungeons with better rewards and by better I do NOT mean RNG crap or yellow rare items only once per 20x runs…!
I won’t even bother to mention the ascended gear issue at all, good idea bad implementation !

Dispite all these annoying issues, I will most likely still buy the expansion, the love I have for the game is higher than the hate I have for the things I don’t like about it and because I hope to see them turn things around.
also because A.net is one of the few developers that I currently trust, in contrast for example I like the premise of neverwinter but….I thoroughly do NOT trust perfect world to keep their word at all, all their games turn into a dissapointing p2w after several months of release…..they hook you in and than they start the milking once they know you’re invested in their game !

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Define ‘proper endgame’.

I’m going to assume you mean ‘raids’ there.

I do agree however the Legendary process could be improved.

I am not the one that will name the proper endgame. I’m not a gaming engineer man

Any content that is meant to be for endgame, that can keep you busy while you have reached the max level is fun, the more attractive it is the more you want to play the game, so i have to say if Arenanet can find a new way of keeping people busy at the max level (what WoW is calling Raids for PvE) would be cool

As for example, another guy mentioned:

After seeing all the flash of GW2, I don’t expect there to be anything new. Just more of the same. Which I could easily experience if I wanted to level another character…which I don’t.

People should have the option to be able to progress with their character at the max level…

But you get my (ours) main point out there don’t you?

Well, what about Fractals?

They get harder and harder as you progress, and are made for max level.

As for end-game that is specifically for higher levels, ANet build the game on the premise that ‘all game is end-game’.

Yes but from what it seems the “all game is end-game” didn’t work that great as expected.

What’s the point of a max level toon? If i wan’ted to re do the content i would just level another toon….

“What’s the point of a max level toon?”

• Access to Traits – Very useful in WvW and other dungeons (mainly Fractals) to have a more complete build.
• To finish your story – You need access to the level 80 dungeon.
• Access to higher level areas – The higher your level, the more access you got to the world.

Whether or not these are your sort of things is debatable, but these are the advantages to having a higher level character.

Bear in mind this isn’t the traditional ‘get to cap and then play a different style of game’.

Reystar.8703:

I felt like that the game was over just because i didn’t want to re-do what i have already done, same events or dungeons? Nah no thank you.

Isn’t that exactly what you do in WoW, grind the living hell out of the same dungeons until the next expansion comes?

All i am saying is that there is not enough motivation / interest to play the game after level 80…that’s it.

If what they only want is to satisfy a tiny portion of the gaming population, that’s cool and acceptable…

Catisa.6507:

Reystar.8703:

I felt like that the game was over just because i didn’t want to re-do what i have already done, same events or dungeons? Nah no thank you.

Isn’t that exactly what you do in WoW, grind the living hell out of the same dungeons until the next expansion comes?

No they are actually releasing new raids in patches. But this conversation is not about WoW so you’d better jump back to the topic ^^

Reystar.8703:

All i am saying is that there is not enough motivation / interest for me to play the game after level 80…that’s it.

If what they only want is to satisfy a tiny portion of the gaming population, that’s cool and acceptable…

Corrected it for you.

While it may not be your thing, there are plenty of others who enjoy it.

Reystar.8703:

Catisa.6507:

Reystar.8703:

I felt like that the game was over just because i didn’t want to re-do what i have already done, same events or dungeons? Nah no thank you.

Isn’t that exactly what you do in WoW, grind the living hell out of the same dungeons until the next expansion comes?

No they are actually releasing new raids in patches. But this conversation is not about WoW so you’d better jump back to the topic ^^

I replied to YOUR statement, you brought it up. Wow gets new raids in patches … gw2 gets new events in patches … sounds like the same thing to me.

Reystar, you’re whining about grinding when as far as many of us on this Forum is concerned, World of Warcraft is the biggest load of grind.. ever…

Come on! You’re moaning about no new content, you can’t even wait a month between each new release of updates?! If you’re so bored and have never been bored of WoW ever, over the past 5 years, go back to playing that. I’m sure no-one on your allegedly empty server shall miss you.

Play as a panda in WoW, great new content right there waiting for you! YAY! ..*

*sarcasm intended.

TheDaiBish.9735:

Reystar.8703:

All i am saying is that there is not enough motivation / interest for me to play the game after level 80…that’s it.

If what they only want is to satisfy a tiny portion of the gaming population, that’s cool and acceptable…

Corrected it for you.

While it may not be your thing, there are plenty of others who enjoy it.

Well if that’s what you think, then i guess i have nothing else to say to you about this If you think that ArenaNet is satisfying a big portion of the gaming population and not a tiny one well…i guess time the population speaks it self…because adding that “to me” you are referring to me as i’m speaking for the tiny portion…which is wrong…

Deanor The Bold.6590:

Reystar, you’re whining about grinding when as far as many of us on this Forum is concerned, World of Warcraft is the biggest load of grind.. ever…

Come on! You’re moaning about no new content, you can’t even wait a month between each new release of updates?! If you’re so bored and have never been bored of WoW ever, over the past 5 years, go back to playing that. I’m sure no-one on your allegedly empty server shall miss you.

Play as a panda in WoW, great new content right there waiting for you! YAY! ..*

*sarcasm intended.

Explain to me how spending 100 hours grinding for an exotic piece of armor is any different than a raider spending 100 hours raiding in a raid zone to get tokens to buy the same set of armor?

At least in WoW you can choose between 10 raids and another 10 dungeons 10 battlegrounds and many arenas. But really the conversation is not about WoW is it?

You guys are so full of it its not even funny.
One of the CORE tenets of RPG’s is the idea behind your character getting more powerful. Its really a core tenet of fantasy in general. Even if fantasy books the character starts out as some punk who is so inept he can’t swing a sword fast enough to cut a cantelope, but by the end he becomes a super awesome knight, or wizard, or king, or thief, or whatever. This whole idea of “lateral progression” is a huge load of crap and thankfully not many people have bought into, and a healthy portion of the ones that did buy into it realized that its a load of crap shortly after having partaken in said load of crap.

I’d buy the expansion… especially if it included the Northern Shiverpeaks and a fight with Jormag.

Reystar.8703:

Well if that’s what you think, then i guess i have nothing else to say to you about this If you think that ArenaNet is satisfying a big portion of the gaming population and not a tiny one well…i guess time the population speaks it self…because adding that “to me” you are referring to me as i’m speaking for the tiny portion…which is wrong…

I added that in reference to you’re speaking for the group who doesn’t think the entire game being re-playable is pointless, and that games need content exclusive for max level characters.

At the end of the day, you aren’t going to please everyone. It’s pointless to try. Best you can do is stick to your original philosophy as much as possible.

Reystar.8703:

At least in WoW you can choose between 10 raids and another 10 dungeons 10 battlegrounds and many arenas. But really the conversation is not about WoW is it?

Which were all added over time.

In this game, thanks to the philosophy, you have a choice between 9 dungeons at whatever level and the runs will still be challenging.

Reystar.8703:

One of the CORE tenets of RPG’s is the idea behind your character getting more powerful. Its really a core tenet of fantasy in general. Even if fantasy books the character starts out as some punk who is so inept he can’t swing a sword fast enough to cut a cantelope, but by the end he becomes a super awesome knight, or wizard, or king, or thief, or whatever.

Hey, fancy that! When you start at level one, you’ll get mowed down by higher level monsters. However, as you level, you’ll eventually become strong enough to match them.

Reystar.8703:

This whole idea of “lateral progression” is a huge load of crap and thankfully not many people have bought into, and a healthy portion of the ones that did buy into it realized that its a load of crap shortly after having partaken in said load of crap.

Ahhh, there we go. Your suggestion would have been much shorter if you’d just said “include a gear treadmill into the game”.

OK. I shall. It’s different because you’re not gonna get the same armour, different games. Also, you don’t think to yourself, “Hmm.. I’m going to get a legendary right now. I’m not going to enjoy the world ArenaNet has given me!” You play the game, legendary weapons being eventual and gradual items, not instant.

Guild Wars 2 has 9 dungeons, Fractals of the Mists has 10 Fractals currently (with more to be added soon), all with scaling difficulty. That technically makes 18 dungeons. 18 dungeons to enjoy, that’s choice.

The question should be “Do you think that Guild Wars 2 was worth $60 (£49.99)?” and I reckon the majority would say yes.

you forgot to add all dungeons have 2 modes and one mode has multiple pathes

Oh yeah! Good spot Catsia! That makes.. 32 different experiences + the 9 (not 10, I counted Mistlock Observatory previously) fractals, 41 different experiences!

Ok then, if you feel that you are correct, you are too stubborn and obviously not open minded to any conversation that proves that GW2’s content is insufficient and again no it’s not just me, read it on IGNs forums too.

But as i said before, if ArenaNet is cool by satisfying a tiny portion of the MMO Gamers that’s ok, but they should not be that hyped.

You seem too blind to see what the reality is like…

Reystar, your idea of “open minded” is to make GW2 a WoW-clone. You keep claiming you speak for everyone, when in fact, you speak for yourself. You certainly don’t speak for people like me.

I don’t want raids, gear grind or any of that tedious rubbish that make up 99% of other MMOs out there. I’m satisfied with what GW2 has to offer, but then, I actually did my research before putting down my £35 for this game.

You’ve said it yourself – you play WoW and you’re not bored of it yet, despite the fact that you do exactly the same grind over and over again. It seems you would be happier going back to WoW full time. What’s stopping you?

Reystar.8703:

Ok then, if you feel that you are correct, you are too stubborn and obviously not open minded to any conversation that proves that GW2’s content is insufficient and again no it’s not just me, read it on IGNs forums too.

What I read from this was “You don’t agree with me so it proves I’m right.”

Gear Treadmill =/= content. In fact, you’re just running the same content over and over.