DPS Counter
Absolutely positively no. I really wish people would stop asking for WoW features, especially terrible ones.
And so starts the flame war. No, DPS meters are terrible, always have been, always will be. Go to the mists and try out different builds on the heavy golem, whatever kills it the fastest, go with that.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
With the recent change to dungeons, there are simply no more forgiving paths such as CM and CoF. A meter as suggested in the OP would help party leaders such as myself cull the wheat from the chaff and ensure the smoothest run possible.
Eliminating those who can’t take a boss down fast enough.and thus incur repair bills and wasted time running back for their teammates, would go a long way towards alleviating some of the problems created by the changes to dungeon rewards.
+1 for the OP.
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I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
i always hated dps counters what happens when i play my thief that is traited to buff and give venoms to allies and regeneration all the time they look and see a low dps thief and kick me not realiseing i was a valubale asset now i wouldnt mind being able to see my own dps but as far as seeing everyones i would have to vote no
I would support this, one one condition:
It is a personal dps meter. In order to experiment with different builds, it would be nice to see actual DPS numbers for my own character.
note: this will not show dps of other party members or ANY other players.
I would support this, one one condition:
It is a personal dps meter. In order to experiment with different builds, it would be nice to see actual DPS numbers for my own character.
note: this will not show dps of other party members or ANY other players.
That’s probably the only way something like this would even be remotely acceptable. Good idea, imo.
If you have to keep the DPS numbers hidden from other players, the system could at least factor it in in other ways. For instance, imagine if instead of diminishing returns on XP for repeating events, you were docked XP for barely contributing any damage to the event? Botting would disappear and everyone would be happy.
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Is the only problem with DPS counters that someone’s flaws might be revealed and they’ll be pressured to play the game more optimally?
Is the only problem with DPS counters that someone’s flaws might be revealed and they’ll be pressured to play the game more optimally?
That is indeed the only problem, but it’s enough of one to make people scream and flail every time the mere idea is suggested.
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I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
Is the only problem with DPS counters that someone’s flaws might be revealed and they’ll be pressured to play the game more optimally?
Back in the game that must not be named, I was on multiple occasions kicked out of parties for having terrible DPS. As the healer. The idea of a DPS meter can be good on paper, but once you add the ‘idiot variable’ it becomes just a terrible idea.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
What is wrong with it is that the person you’re quoting doesn’t want to have his DPS shown to him, even though someday people are just going to mock him because his build isn’t the latest one on the GW2 equivalent of ElitistJerks anyway.
Is the only problem with DPS counters that someone’s flaws might be revealed and they’ll be pressured to play the game more optimally?
Back in the game that must not be named, I was on multiple occasions kicked out of parties for having terrible DPS. As the healer. The idea of a DPS meter can be good on paper, but once you add the ‘idiot variable’ it becomes just a terrible idea.
Why would you want to party with people of this mental caliber? It sounds like Recount was doing you a favor there.
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I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
I’m having trouble grasping this: You said you did not like WoW, but then state that you played it for four years? Why would you waste so much time on a game you don’t like?
Doesn’t change the fact that group meters were bad. A personal dps meter is a different story though.
I would be more happy if they just had complete add-on support.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
DPS meters simply can’t account for everything that’s actually required to play this game well. Perfect gear levels and rotations aren’t how this game works. If you like that kind of thing then you’re free to go back to WoW, install a DPS meter and have fun.
DPS meters simply can’t account for everything that’s actually required to play this game well. Perfect gear levels and rotations aren’t how this game works. If you like that kind of thing then you’re free to go back to WoW, install a DPS meter and have fun.
Optimizing your play to the best of your ability (which, in a shocking twist, would be a more precise art with a tool like a DPS counter) is how every multiplayer game works.
Is the only problem with DPS counters that someone’s flaws might be revealed and they’ll be pressured to play the game more optimally?
Back in the game that must not be named, I was on multiple occasions kicked out of parties for having terrible DPS. As the healer. The idea of a DPS meter can be good on paper, but once you add the ‘idiot variable’ it becomes just a terrible idea.
I highly doubt you were ever kicked out for having bad dps as a healer.
now, bad hps as a healer, i can see.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
DPS meters simply can’t account for everything that’s actually required to play this game well. Perfect gear levels and rotations aren’t how this game works. If you like that kind of thing then you’re free to go back to WoW, install a DPS meter and have fun.
Damage doesn’t have to be the only thing it counts. Boons applied, conditions removed, CCs, interrupts, buffs, healing, revives, you name it. Recount did way more than damage, which you may recall if you spend a second to not blindly hate everything that came about inadvertently due to a Blizzard title.
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I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
I’m having trouble grasping this: You said you did not like WoW, but then state that you played it for four years? Why would you waste so much time on a game you don’t like?
Doesn’t change the fact that group meters were bad. A personal dps meter is a different story though.
I would be more happy if they just had complete add-on support.
I saw the light to say, got tried of the game in general and grew to hate it. I am loving GW2 so far thou.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
DPS meters simply can’t account for everything that’s actually required to play this game well. Perfect gear levels and rotations aren’t how this game works. If you like that kind of thing then you’re free to go back to WoW, install a DPS meter and have fun.
Damage doesn’t have to be the only thing it counts. Boons applied, conditions removed, CCs, interrupts, buffs, healing, revives, you name it. Recount did way more than damage, which you may recall if you spend a second to not blindly hate everything that came about inadvertently due to a Blizzard title.
I loved recount/dps meters. The only reason I said to have it ONLY be personal is because of the dps meter haters out there.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
I’m having trouble grasping this: You said you did not like WoW, but then state that you played it for four years? Why would you waste so much time on a game you don’t like?
Doesn’t change the fact that group meters were bad. A personal dps meter is a different story though.
I would be more happy if they just had complete add-on support.
I saw the light to say, got tried of the game in general and grew to hate it. I am loving GW2 so far thou.
It would probably be more accurate to state that the game moved in a direction that you did not agree with, then.
If you didn’t like the game at first, you wouldn’t have stayed.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
I’m having trouble grasping this: You said you did not like WoW, but then state that you played it for four years? Why would you waste so much time on a game you don’t like?
Doesn’t change the fact that group meters were bad. A personal dps meter is a different story though.
I would be more happy if they just had complete add-on support.
I saw the light to say, got tried of the game in general and grew to hate it. I am loving GW2 so far thou.
It would probably be more accurate to state that the game moved in a direction that you did not agree with, then.
If you didn’t like the game at first, you wouldn’t have stayed.
Well said, I apologize for the confusion.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
DPS meters simply can’t account for everything that’s actually required to play this game well. Perfect gear levels and rotations aren’t how this game works. If you like that kind of thing then you’re free to go back to WoW, install a DPS meter and have fun.
Damage doesn’t have to be the only thing it counts. Boons applied, conditions removed, CCs, interrupts, buffs, healing, revives, you name it. Recount did way more than damage, which you may recall if you spend a second to not blindly hate everything that came about inadvertently due to a Blizzard title.
That last sentence convinced me that you’re just trolling. If you’d like to discuss and not troll, let me know.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
DPS meters simply can’t account for everything that’s actually required to play this game well. Perfect gear levels and rotations aren’t how this game works. If you like that kind of thing then you’re free to go back to WoW, install a DPS meter and have fun.
Damage doesn’t have to be the only thing it counts. Boons applied, conditions removed, CCs, interrupts, buffs, healing, revives, you name it. Recount did way more than damage, which you may recall if you spend a second to not blindly hate everything that came about inadvertently due to a Blizzard title.
That last sentence convinced me that you’re just trolling. If you’d like to discuss and not troll, let me know.
Regardless of whether or not he is trolling, he made a good point about the information provided by Recount. There WAS a lot more than just raw dmg/dps.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
DPS meters simply can’t account for everything that’s actually required to play this game well. Perfect gear levels and rotations aren’t how this game works. If you like that kind of thing then you’re free to go back to WoW, install a DPS meter and have fun.
Damage doesn’t have to be the only thing it counts. Boons applied, conditions removed, CCs, interrupts, buffs, healing, revives, you name it. Recount did way more than damage, which you may recall if you spend a second to not blindly hate everything that came about inadvertently due to a Blizzard title.
That last sentence convinced me that you’re just trolling. If you’d like to discuss and not troll, let me know.
Regardless of whether or not he is trolling, he made a good point about the information provided by Recount. There WAS a lot more than just raw dmg/dps.
I ran recount, I’m aware of what information it showed. It would be a terrible thing for this game, though, because this game isn’t all about gear and DPS. I’d rather play the game and focus on what I’m trying to do/kill/not be killed by. Not watching a little window to see who’s rotation isn’t perfect, this isn’t that game. You don’t need an addon to see if you’re doing poorly, or see if someone else is. Not once in a dungeon have I ever wished I had recount. It was always easy to see if I’m or someone else is running into a boss and dying, or not attacking enough, or not ressing, etc.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
DPS meters simply can’t account for everything that’s actually required to play this game well. Perfect gear levels and rotations aren’t how this game works. If you like that kind of thing then you’re free to go back to WoW, install a DPS meter and have fun.
Damage doesn’t have to be the only thing it counts. Boons applied, conditions removed, CCs, interrupts, buffs, healing, revives, you name it. Recount did way more than damage, which you may recall if you spend a second to not blindly hate everything that came about inadvertently due to a Blizzard title.
That last sentence convinced me that you’re just trolling. If you’d like to discuss and not troll, let me know.
Regardless of whether or not he is trolling, he made a good point about the information provided by Recount. There WAS a lot more than just raw dmg/dps.
I ran recount, I’m aware of what information it showed. It would be a terrible thing for this game, though, because this game isn’t all about gear and DPS. I’d rather play the game and focus on what I’m trying to do/kill/not be killed by. Not watching a little window to see who’s rotation isn’t perfect, this isn’t that game. You don’t need an addon to see if you’re doing poorly, or see if someone else is. Not once in a dungeon have I ever wished I had recount. It was always easy to see if I’m or someone else is running into a boss and dying, or not attacking enough, or not ressing, etc.
And those are valid points. Which is one of the reasons I said that a DPS meter should be implemented, but ONLY for personal use; not to rate others, but to only rate yourself.
I ran recount, I’m aware of what information it showed. It would be a terrible thing for this game, though, because this game isn’t all about gear and DPS. I’d rather play the game and focus on what I’m trying to do/kill/not be killed by. Not watching a little window to see who’s rotation isn’t perfect, this isn’t that game. You don’t need an addon to see if you’re doing poorly, or see if someone else is. Not once in a dungeon have I ever wished I had recount. It was always easy to see if I’m or someone else is running into a boss and dying, or not attacking enough, or not ressing, etc.
It’s just as easy to do those things in WoW, except the information became all the more clear when someone figured out how to print it onto the screen in an organized form that’s analyzable for future reference. It is/was also just as easy to make the “I’d rather play the game” argument for WoW.
And again, even if they don’t ever put anything like Recount into the game, it’s all going to be on a website everyone has seen someday and before long it’ll be just as easy to run into a group that’s going to critique you accordingly.
I don’t understand all the hate you people are bringing down. What is wrong with options? And to address you DavidGX I do not like WOW. Stop hating please.
Everyone who’s played WoW will realize why your idea is terrible.
I played WoW for four years. Got tired of it but loved a dps counter, so again please answer the question as to what is wrong with more options? It is a matter of principle.
DPS meters simply can’t account for everything that’s actually required to play this game well. Perfect gear levels and rotations aren’t how this game works. If you like that kind of thing then you’re free to go back to WoW, install a DPS meter and have fun.
Damage doesn’t have to be the only thing it counts. Boons applied, conditions removed, CCs, interrupts, buffs, healing, revives, you name it. Recount did way more than damage, which you may recall if you spend a second to not blindly hate everything that came about inadvertently due to a Blizzard title.
That last sentence convinced me that you’re just trolling. If you’d like to discuss and not troll, let me know.
Regardless of whether or not he is trolling, he made a good point about the information provided by Recount. There WAS a lot more than just raw dmg/dps.
I ran recount, I’m aware of what information it showed. It would be a terrible thing for this game, though, because this game isn’t all about gear and DPS. I’d rather play the game and focus on what I’m trying to do/kill/not be killed by. Not watching a little window to see who’s rotation isn’t perfect, this isn’t that game. You don’t need an addon to see if you’re doing poorly, or see if someone else is. Not once in a dungeon have I ever wished I had recount. It was always easy to see if I’m or someone else is running into a boss and dying, or not attacking enough, or not ressing, etc.
And those are valid points. Which is one of the reasons I said that a DPS meter should be implemented, but ONLY for personal use; not to rate others, but to only rate yourself.
And my response to your original post about that was “That’s probably the only way something like this would even be remotely acceptable. Good idea, imo.”
What I think might be even better, though, is using dummies. Instead of some little recount style box running all the time just have target dummies report overall damage to you in some way when you stop attacking them for x seconds.
I’d just like to say, even if its for the party or personal, DPS meters remove an aspect of the game that would otherwise make your more successful.
For example, a lot of people who are gung-ho for DPS meters want it just to flex their kitten. Why not just attack, do damage and dodge like you’re suppose to?
Another bad aspect of implementing a DPS meter is you run the risk of people developing a sense of tunnel vision. People become dumbstruck while trying to DPS their heart out instead of dodge rolling the next bosses attack. Then begin to rage and rant when in reality, it’s their own fault for trying to max their DPS instead of being aware. Again, removing something from the game.
IMHO: Leave the DPS meters out. They have no place in GW2.
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Things like DPS counters and “inspect” were purposely left out as they would just make people favor some classes/build, etc.
Will never happen, thanksfully.
Even if made “only personal” people would still post their DPS in the forums, figure out the best gimmicks and leave some classes/builds out.
What I think might be even better, though, is using dummies. Instead of some little recount style box running all the time just have target dummies report overall damage to you in some way when you stop attacking them for x seconds.
What’s the difference? How much you have to inconvenience yourself for lack of an optional UI element? Why not just implore everyone to have a combat log chatbox open with a calculator and stopwatch on their desk?
Things like DPS counters and “inspect” were purposely left out as they would just make people favor some classes/build, etc.
Will never happen, thanksfully.Even if made “only personal” people would still post their DPS in the forums, figure out the best gimmicks and leave some classes/builds out.
People are going to figure that stuff out anyway, though, as they always have and will do.
If you think DPS is the only thing that matters in your build you’re just doing it wrong.
What are you going to do with your 1000 DPS if you can’t even hit your enemy in PvP? And then he rolls around and bleeds you to death because you replaced your condition heal for moardps?
What are you going to do with your 1000 DPS
Probably take it into consideration alongside the other things required of combat in the game and walk away relieved that I didn’t have to jump through obtuse, stupid hoops to possibly improve the way I’m playing.
A lot of people fail to realize what sort of game they are playing. Its an RPG. RPG games from the very start were based on math. People that enjoyed numbers INVENTED THIS GENRE.
DPS meters and whatnot are a natural want. It would do zero harm. If you dont want to see it. Dont turn it on. Simple as that. It would be very easy to parse damage in the combat logs with seconds to get a DPS count, so this would be very easy to put in game if they choose to in the future.
+1 OP
If you think DPS is the only thing that matters in your build you’re just doing it wrong.
What are you going to do with your 1000 DPS if you can’t even hit your enemy in PvP? And then he rolls around and bleeds you to death because you replaced your condition heal for moardps?
Did anyone actually say “DPS is the only thing that matters” in pvp? Or did you just put that from your …..
A lot of people fail to realize what sort of game they are playing. Its an RPG. RPG games from the very start were based on math. People that enjoyed numbers INVENTED THIS GENRE.
DPS meters and whatnot are a natural want. It would do zero harm. If you dont want to see it. Dont turn it on. Simple as that. It would be very easy to parse damage in the combat logs with seconds to get a DPS count, so this would be very easy to put in game if they choose to in the future.
+1 OP
As soon you realize a large portion of end game combat ignores the basic concept of tank and spank, the sooner you’ll realize dps meters won’t keep up with the spontaneous mechanics.
Also, you’re forgetting dps brings in a whole new level of judgement, perhaps a player can disable the dps meter but it won’t change the idea that people are perversely inspecting your values.
The problem party DPS counter is that it doesn’t goes well with GW2 gameplay.
In dungeon it is not all about DPSing down the monster as fast as possible.
What if someone put on supporting skill and trait to help lessen the party burden like setting up a combo field or party healing?
What if they stop attacking and help get the down friend up?
I think in this game people need to get out of the normal MMO mentality of “I’m DD, DPS and number is the only thing that matter to me”.
no, do not add.
there is no reason to add, and the way the game works, dps is a meaningless number.
NO, no no no and no! No DPS counter, no gear score or other crap things that could ruin random encounters with people less devoted to the game.
With the recent change to dungeons, there are simply no more forgiving paths such as CM and CoF. A meter as suggested in the OP would help party leaders such as myself cull the wheat from the chaff and ensure the smoothest run possible.
Eliminating those who can’t take a boss down fast enough.and thus incur repair bills and wasted time running back for their teammates, would go a long way towards alleviating some of the problems created by the changes to dungeon rewards.
+1 for the OP.
And it is attitudes like this one that make me say NO to DPS meters. I might like one for my own personal use and information, but there are already too many judgmental people out there already. There is no sense in putting another weapon in their kitten-hating hands.
With the recent change to dungeons, there are simply no more forgiving paths such as CM and CoF. A meter as suggested in the OP would help party leaders such as myself cull the wheat from the chaff and ensure the smoothest run possible.
Eliminating those who can’t take a boss down fast enough.and thus incur repair bills and wasted time running back for their teammates, would go a long way towards alleviating some of the problems created by the changes to dungeon rewards.
+1 for the OP.
And it is attitudes like this one that make me say NO to DPS meters. I might like one for my own personal use and information, but there are already too many judgmental people out there already. There is no sense in putting another weapon in their kitten-hating hands.
What he says is fairly valid, though. There are plenty of people like you who I guess don’t care but there are also a lot of people who do try to play games optimally and right now it’s edging ever closer to being true that you need a perfect run to make it a profitable one or even worth having gone in the first place, resourcewise.
“Well what about just playing for fun?!” Sure, but to some people mastering the content once is enough as far as the “fun” part is concerned (and then progressing optimally is the other fun part) and from what I can tell that happens in the first fraction of most of the encounters in the game as it is.
DPS meters destroy mmos, period.
As damage is just one factor, but unknowing players will see it as more then it is and go for the highest possible DPS, such a feature would be detrimental to the quality of the game.
If you show people their DPS, they’re going to attempt to get it as high as possible at the cost of everything else, even basic survival.
When you score someone on anything, they will want the highest score. If there was a leaderboard in Lion’s Arch for “Number of times jumped”, people would be jumping all day. They would jump everywhere they went. They would jump constantly in combat. They would not stop jumping because they want that high score.
With no tanks to keep enemies off of you, you’re responsible for your own survival. Your efficiency is measured by far, far more than simply how much damage you can do in a minute. One guy might have amazing DPS, but against certain bosses he’s useless because he won’t take time out of attacking to do basic things like dodge or heal, as any time spent not attacking will cause his DPS to drop.
A DPS meter will actually cause average players to play worse because they will think getting that it higher is of utmost importance. As a developer whose job is to ensure the satisfaction of your customers, creating a feature that makes the average player have less fun is bad. You don’t create features that allow the elite to excel at the cost of the majority. It’s just bad business.
If you need to measure your damage, do it the old fashioned way.
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If you need to measure your damage, do it the old fashioned way.
We have the constant-damage PvP weapons for that.
What happens for people who play support, or conditionmancers etc.? Do they get kicked because they aren’t built to be a glass cannon?