Guild Wars 2

What i agree with is that they should never add a gear that got better stats and can only be obtainable by doing dungeons , which would break the promise of we being able to get max stats gear many ways.

If they add a new top stat gear we can get many ways, like exos now , i would have no complains on it.

Don’t add a gear treadmill.

Don’t do it.
The reason I got this game is that it did not have one.

I followed this game and supported it because it was something that said things I liked to hear and did things that I heard lived up to what was said. There was no gear treadmill and wouldn’t be.
Other people just bought it and got mad it wasn’t like every other single MMO on the market that they’ve played and quit but still only want to play things like what they’ve played and quit and complained about while playing and quitting but never wanting anything to ever be really that different.

I’m getting punished and they are being rewarded.

Makes sense!

If they make these items “Fashion” / “Only above normal exotic stats in new Dungeon” then I could care less. But if it applies to the normal PvE / WvW areas, then I might as well quit. I am very limited on time to play, and still have not farmed, yes farmed, enough gold for my first complete exotic set…

This should have just been brought into the game like infusion was in the first game with being able to add the infusion to your currently existing exotics without raising the stat level. As it sets they are just going to ruin there game as the only game to thrive on the treadmill has been WoW. Every other game has crashed and burned when these changes have started.

Lost Shores dictates otherwise.

I think there is enough threads about this topic already, there does not need to be a negative demoralizing thread generated again.

Taemek.1602:

Lost Shores dictates otherwise.

I think there is enough threads about this topic already, there does not need to be a negative demoralizing thread generated again.

Clearly it does as A-Net has abandoned there moral’s to please a very loud minority of the population. Maybe they will listen if we get just as loud.

ArenaNet is about to understand how much they angered their true fan base by selling out ideals and a promise to change gaming. I’m completely ashamed in this miscalculated judgment from ANET and I hope that you manage to retain some shell of player base. We can all put up with broken mechanics and be patient, but you just started a fire you won’t be able to put out. I recommend that tomorrow the staff sit down and review the manifesto and your golden rules, the propaganda we were fed before day 1, and reflect on how that fits with this decision. That is my suggestion.

SiNoS.2147:

This should have just been brought into the game like infusion was in the first game with being able to add the infusion to your currently existing exotics without raising the stat level. As it sets they are just going to ruin there game as the only game to thrive on the treadmill has been WoW. Every other game has crashed and burned when these changes have started.

Very bland and blanket based statements based upon what proof?

Just about every other game that has crashed and burned is still running, with minimal population and this, could just as well been planned in thier forcast for the games life span.

The question people like yourself needs to ask is, how many people are gaming companies willing to cater too before they pull the plug on the servers? This we will never know, but if a game is still floating and releasing content, clearly, they are not crashing and burning.

On top of this, no, that game you mention which we will not speak of is not the only game to thrive on a gear grind treadmill, many are still thriving on it and are still releasing content.

The failure is, people like yourself who only choose to compaire everything to that mmorpg. That is the only problem.

SiNoS.2147:

Taemek.1602:

Lost Shores dictates otherwise.

I think there is enough threads about this topic already, there does not need to be a negative demoralizing thread generated again.

Clearly it does as A-Net has abandoned there moral’s to please a very loud minority of the population. Maybe they will listen if we get just as loud.

Again, you have no proof, and even if A-net did once upon a time promise no gear grind treadmill type character based progression, the fact that they have changed thier minds tells me that the crowd they are attempting to appease to is a little bit more then the minority you claim it to be.

Buisnesses, let me correct that, multi-million dollar industries do not make knee jerk reactions based on minority out breaks without proven data to support it is a majority and has the potential to earn dollars.

Yeah, I’m not interested in a gear treadmill either. I suppose I can quit, though, and go back to playing GW 1 if this game gets treadmilly. Afterall, my characters’ gear there is just as valid now as it was all those years ago when I got it.

But all and all, I quit paying other mmos their monthly fees and came to this because I was just tired of having to jump through hoops to get the gear I needed to see the content, to get the gear… over, and over, and over with every patch and expansion.

I just want to chill and play with my friends, all of whom play at different levels and amounts of time and not worry about what level someone is and if they are all in x level gear yet and can do x dungeon/encounter/raid/pvp whathaveyou together.

So yeah, I’m not really a fan of the whole 80 levels this game has either, incidentally. But I do enjoy and make use of the down ranking so I can play with my friends.

My suggestion would be more skins with some pretty particle effects awarded to show off the amount of time and mastery people have at doing various dungeons, WvW, or whathave you. Like a giant beer barrel to wear if you’ve won enough keg toss.

The original Guild Wars had it right in my mind. Good thing it is still there!

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

This should have just been brought into the game like infusion was in the first game with being able to add the infusion to your currently existing exotics without raising the stat level. As it sets they are just going to ruin there game as the only game to thrive on the treadmill has been WoW. Every other game has crashed and burned when these changes have started.

Very bland and blanket based statements based upon what proof?

Just about every other game that has crashed and burned is still running, with minimal population and this, could just as well been planned in thier forcast for the games life span.

The question people like yourself needs to ask is, how many people are gaming companies willing to cater too before they pull the plug on the servers? This we will never know, but if a game is still floating and releasing content, clearly, they are not crashing and burning.

On top of this, no, that game you mention which we will not speak of is not the only game to thrive on a gear grind treadmill, many are still thriving on it and are still releasing content.

The failure is, people like yourself who only choose to compaire everything to that mmorpg. That is the only problem.

Going from a player base well over 1 million to maybe 200000 if there lucky thats crashing and crashing hard. Frankly those other games are not thriving. They are shell’s of them former self’s. Rift crashed and burned because they followed that trend. SWTOR crashed because they followed that trend. Those are two of the biggest games in the last 2-3 years and both flopped when they catered to this mind set. As for your claim of people like me you clearly dont know anything about me.

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

Taemek.1602:

Lost Shores dictates otherwise.

I think there is enough threads about this topic already, there does not need to be a negative demoralizing thread generated again.

Clearly it does as A-Net has abandoned there moral’s to please a very loud minority of the population. Maybe they will listen if we get just as loud.

Again, you have no proof, and even if A-net did once upon a time promise no gear grind treadmill type character based progression, the fact that they have changed thier minds tells me that the crowd they are attempting to appease to is a little bit more then the minority you claim it to be.

Buisnesses, let me correct that, multi-million dollar industries do not make knee jerk reactions based on minority out breaks without proven data to support it is a majority and has the potential to earn dollars.

They also obviously dont follow trends. All games that catered to this minority, except one, has ended up losing most of its player base because of it.

SiNoS.2147:

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

Taemek.1602:

Lost Shores dictates otherwise.

I think there is enough threads about this topic already, there does not need to be a negative demoralizing thread generated again.

Clearly it does as A-Net has abandoned there moral’s to please a very loud minority of the population. Maybe they will listen if we get just as loud.

Again, you have no proof, and even if A-net did once upon a time promise no gear grind treadmill type character based progression, the fact that they have changed thier minds tells me that the crowd they are attempting to appease to is a little bit more then the minority you claim it to be.

Buisnesses, let me correct that, multi-million dollar industries do not make knee jerk reactions based on minority out breaks without proven data to support it is a majority and has the potential to earn dollars.

They also obviously dont follow trends. All games that catered to this minority, except one, has ended up losing most of its player base because of it.

I guess they just feel that living off that other game’s scraps will be better for GW2.

Interesting supposition, but doubtful I’ll stick around to see how it turns out. :\ I like this game, too.

holy fuark, they just killed all their pve in one patch, good job, now no one will want to do old dungeons because they don’t drop ascendant gear, arenanet in charge of not killing their franchise

SiNoS.2147:

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

This should have just been brought into the game like infusion was in the first game with being able to add the infusion to your currently existing exotics without raising the stat level. As it sets they are just going to ruin there game as the only game to thrive on the treadmill has been WoW. Every other game has crashed and burned when these changes have started.

Very bland and blanket based statements based upon what proof?

Just about every other game that has crashed and burned is still running, with minimal population and this, could just as well been planned in thier forcast for the games life span.

The question people like yourself needs to ask is, how many people are gaming companies willing to cater too before they pull the plug on the servers? This we will never know, but if a game is still floating and releasing content, clearly, they are not crashing and burning.

On top of this, no, that game you mention which we will not speak of is not the only game to thrive on a gear grind treadmill, many are still thriving on it and are still releasing content.

The failure is, people like yourself who only choose to compaire everything to that mmorpg. That is the only problem.

Going from a player base well over 1 million to maybe 200000 if there lucky thats crashing and crashing hard. Frankly those other games are not thriving. They are shell’s of them former self’s. Rift crashed and burned because they followed that trend. SWTOR crashed because they followed that trend. Those are two of the biggest games in the last 2-3 years and both flopped when they catered to this mind set. As for your claim of people like me you clearly dont know anything about me.

Again, you have no proof and that is entirely your own opinion.

One of those games is about to launch an expansion, so clearly, it hasn’t crashed and burned and again, I point out to you, you have no idea on what kind of population they can cater too before pulling the plug.

200’000 subs is quite good for today’s age and as long as they are making money, who cares?

My opinion on the game in question is quite different to yours, but I won’t go there.

Belligerent.4819:

holy fuark, they just killed all their pve in one patch, good job, now no one will want to do old dungeons because they don’t drop ascendant gear, arenanet in charge of not killing their franchise

But I thought people play this game for skins?

Hmmm, I am starting to sense a hint of contradicting going on now…..

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

This should have just been brought into the game like infusion was in the first game with being able to add the infusion to your currently existing exotics without raising the stat level. As it sets they are just going to ruin there game as the only game to thrive on the treadmill has been WoW. Every other game has crashed and burned when these changes have started.

Very bland and blanket based statements based upon what proof?

Just about every other game that has crashed and burned is still running, with minimal population and this, could just as well been planned in thier forcast for the games life span.

The question people like yourself needs to ask is, how many people are gaming companies willing to cater too before they pull the plug on the servers? This we will never know, but if a game is still floating and releasing content, clearly, they are not crashing and burning.

On top of this, no, that game you mention which we will not speak of is not the only game to thrive on a gear grind treadmill, many are still thriving on it and are still releasing content.

The failure is, people like yourself who only choose to compaire everything to that mmorpg. That is the only problem.

Going from a player base well over 1 million to maybe 200000 if there lucky thats crashing and crashing hard. Frankly those other games are not thriving. They are shell’s of them former self’s. Rift crashed and burned because they followed that trend. SWTOR crashed because they followed that trend. Those are two of the biggest games in the last 2-3 years and both flopped when they catered to this mind set. As for your claim of people like me you clearly dont know anything about me.

Again, you have no proof and that is entirely your own opinion.

One of those games is about to launch an expansion, so clearly, it hasn’t crashed and burned and again, I point out to you, you have no idea on what kind of population they can cater too before pulling the plug.

200’000 subs is quite good for today’s age and as long as they are making money, who cares?

My opinion on the game in question is quite different to yours, but I won’t go there.

When a game has to go F2P in order to even attempt to make it shows that infact they are dieing. Thats fact. All you keep spouting is i have no proof. Troll needs to move on. Im done feeding you.

Belligerent.4819:

holy fuark, they just killed all their pve in one patch, good job, now no one will want to do old dungeons because they don’t drop ascendant gear, arenanet in charge of not killing their franchise

Hah! So very sad and true. I’ve got a few friends, including myself, who haven’t gotten around to doing all the old dungeons yet. I can only hope Anet considers the suggestion of allowing all rare and exotic gear to have ascended upgrade slots, and whatever you need to craft those that can be found everywhere in the world. Like jumping puzzle chests. That way when I’m jumping through hoops to get the gear I need to see the content… I can literally jump through hoops to get it.

ITT: The sky is falling.

How about we actually give it a try with the grand total of 3 pieces available to us before we judge it to be the thing that will “ruin GW2”.

+1, raising the stat cap is a doomed endeavor. Look at the model dark age used, you can have a lot of new gear and variety in a system with hard caps and un-changing levels/stats.

I wouldnt mind a tread mill, im bored with the cosmetics only as my dude looks kittens and now have no reason to do dungeons.

SiNoS.2147:

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

This should have just been brought into the game like infusion was in the first game with being able to add the infusion to your currently existing exotics without raising the stat level. As it sets they are just going to ruin there game as the only game to thrive on the treadmill has been WoW. Every other game has crashed and burned when these changes have started.

Very bland and blanket based statements based upon what proof?

Just about every other game that has crashed and burned is still running, with minimal population and this, could just as well been planned in thier forcast for the games life span.

The question people like yourself needs to ask is, how many people are gaming companies willing to cater too before they pull the plug on the servers? This we will never know, but if a game is still floating and releasing content, clearly, they are not crashing and burning.

On top of this, no, that game you mention which we will not speak of is not the only game to thrive on a gear grind treadmill, many are still thriving on it and are still releasing content.

The failure is, people like yourself who only choose to compaire everything to that mmorpg. That is the only problem.

Going from a player base well over 1 million to maybe 200000 if there lucky thats crashing and crashing hard. Frankly those other games are not thriving. They are shell’s of them former self’s. Rift crashed and burned because they followed that trend. SWTOR crashed because they followed that trend. Those are two of the biggest games in the last 2-3 years and both flopped when they catered to this mind set. As for your claim of people like me you clearly dont know anything about me.

Again, you have no proof and that is entirely your own opinion.

One of those games is about to launch an expansion, so clearly, it hasn’t crashed and burned and again, I point out to you, you have no idea on what kind of population they can cater too before pulling the plug.

200’000 subs is quite good for today’s age and as long as they are making money, who cares?

My opinion on the game in question is quite different to yours, but I won’t go there.

When a game has to go F2P in order to even attempt to make it shows that infact they are dieing. Thats fact. All you keep spouting is i have no proof. Troll needs to move on. Im done feeding you.

GW2 is f2p, what exactly are you implying here?

Also, you in fact, do not have any real proof supporting anything you claim and your opinions sound quite biased and derogative towards the company in question and you are not privy to thier buisness structure or internal account managament, so you have no real way of knowing how things are from a finance point of view.

One minute players complain for something to do, now players complain that there is too much, I don’t even …

The patch isn’t even out, lets at least try it before we all say it’s destroying GW2. Arena Net has done decently to get to this point, lets give them some breathing room.

SiNoS.2147:

When a game has to go F2P in order to even attempt to make it shows that infact they are dieing. Thats fact. All you keep spouting is i have no proof. Troll needs to move on. Im done feeding you.

i heard league of legends is doing just TERRIBLE, not making one dime

Taemek.1602:

Belligerent.4819:

holy fuark, they just killed all their pve in one patch, good job, now no one will want to do old dungeons because they don’t drop ascendant gear, arenanet in charge of not killing their franchise

But I thought people play this game for skins?

Hmmm, I am starting to sense a hint of contradicting going on now…..

I do , that is the WHOLE point.

IF Anet dared to add WoW style farming where we MUST go into dungeons to get max stats gear , then to me the main pillar of what made this game great will fall.

To me what made this game rise above all others was the fact i could get max stats gear doing many thing , that meant i could simple play in many ways and at most others people would have cooler skins.

IF they add dungeon only better armor on stats , well , i will consider if i will keep playing or if i will go wait for the next MMO big title.

If I wanted to play a gear grind treadmill game I wouldn’t of bought GW2 nor spent over 200 dollars on it (that’s more than a sub for year). GG ANET way to go back on your promises and vision to cater to PvE masses that simply jump from game to game to game. Hope it works out for you.

warmonkey.8013:

SiNoS.2147:

When a game has to go F2P in order to even attempt to make it shows that infact they are dieing. Thats fact. All you keep spouting is i have no proof. Troll needs to move on. Im done feeding you.

i heard league of legends is doing just TERRIBLE, not making one dime

To my knowledge like GW LoL was always a free to play. As such it has no part in what i said.

Taemek.1602:

Lost Shores dictates otherwise.

I think there is enough threads about this topic already, there does not need to be a negative demoralizing thread generated again.

In fact there have NOT been enough threads on this topic, which is the reason Anet thought it was a good idea in the first place.

I have watched over the past 8 weeks the “power gamer” ex-WoW people ask for gear grind over and over and over, now they have it, and the rest of the community is in outrage!

Well this is what you get for not responding to the “power gamers” on the forums and registering your disgust. If they make 100 threads saying “Give us gear grind” and nobody replies with “WE DONT WANT THIS” then it looks like those 100 threads are the opinion of the players.

I have to agree with this.. PLEASE KEEP YOUR PROMISE ANET… no wow gear grinds. I thought I was set for MMO’s now that I am getting older and don’t have as much time, looks like I was wrong. Wonder what that Elder Scrolls game will be like.

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

This should have just been brought into the game like infusion was in the first game with being able to add the infusion to your currently existing exotics without raising the stat level. As it sets they are just going to ruin there game as the only game to thrive on the treadmill has been WoW. Every other game has crashed and burned when these changes have started.

Very bland and blanket based statements based upon what proof?

Just about every other game that has crashed and burned is still running, with minimal population and this, could just as well been planned in thier forcast for the games life span.

The question people like yourself needs to ask is, how many people are gaming companies willing to cater too before they pull the plug on the servers? This we will never know, but if a game is still floating and releasing content, clearly, they are not crashing and burning.

On top of this, no, that game you mention which we will not speak of is not the only game to thrive on a gear grind treadmill, many are still thriving on it and are still releasing content.

The failure is, people like yourself who only choose to compaire everything to that mmorpg. That is the only problem.

Are you seriously trying to say they planned for this game to crash and burn with minimal population?

Many are not “still thriving on it” please list one. From what I have seen every MMO that has tried to compete with WoW is doing anything and everything in their power to stay afloat and keep the few remaining players they have.

Guild Wars 2 already has the PvP playerbase and they have no competitors aside from EVE and darkfall.

They are throwing this away to appease the WoW players who love to gear treadmill.

Yes, the people who bought this game and believed ArenaNet when they said this would be a PvP + vanity hunting game are getting extremely frustrated right now.

Chamone.6890:

Taemek.1602:

Lost Shores dictates otherwise.

I think there is enough threads about this topic already, there does not need to be a negative demoralizing thread generated again.

In fact there have NOT been enough threads on this topic, which is the reason Anet thought it was a good idea in the first place.

I have watched over the past 8 weeks the “power gamer” ex-WoW people ask for gear grind over and over and over, now they have it, and the rest of the community is in outrage!

Well this is what you get for not responding to the “power gamers” on the forums and registering your disgust. If they make 100 threads saying “Give us gear grind” and nobody replies with “WE DONT WANT THIS” then it looks like those 100 threads are the opinion of the players.

Frist of all, you have no proof that this is directly related to those people in question.

Secondly, you cannot speak on behalf of the community because 1 or 2 threads have been made about this change with the same people posting in them.

Third, even casual players at this point have 1 or 2 level 80’s they have been working on.

Fourth, I am getting sick and tired of the stereo type that people like yourself throw people into with the game brand we will not mention.

Fifth and final, it has been proven, countless times over the past 15 years that but a fraction of a games community even come to the forums.

So while you seem to want to blame this mythical group of players dubbed as the power gamers, I beg to differ.

Again, A-net doesn’t invest 150+ million dollars on the hopes that people will play for free, again, hoping they spend some money in the cash shop farming skins.

It is simply unrealistic in this day and age to ask people to spend thier time playing for something so trivial and non-beneficial to the growth and progression of ones character.

nofo.8469:

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

This should have just been brought into the game like infusion was in the first game with being able to add the infusion to your currently existing exotics without raising the stat level. As it sets they are just going to ruin there game as the only game to thrive on the treadmill has been WoW. Every other game has crashed and burned when these changes have started.

Very bland and blanket based statements based upon what proof?

Just about every other game that has crashed and burned is still running, with minimal population and this, could just as well been planned in thier forcast for the games life span.

The question people like yourself needs to ask is, how many people are gaming companies willing to cater too before they pull the plug on the servers? This we will never know, but if a game is still floating and releasing content, clearly, they are not crashing and burning.

On top of this, no, that game you mention which we will not speak of is not the only game to thrive on a gear grind treadmill, many are still thriving on it and are still releasing content.

The failure is, people like yourself who only choose to compaire everything to that mmorpg. That is the only problem.

Are you seriously trying to say they planned for this game to crash and burn with minimal population?

Many are not “still thriving on it” please list one. From what I have seen every MMO that has tried to compete with WoW is doing anything and everything in their power to stay afloat and keep the few remaining players they have.

Guild Wars 2 already has the PvP playerbase and they have no competitors aside from EVE and darkfall.

They are throwing this away to appease the WoW players who love to gear treadmill.

Yes, the people who bought this game and believed ArenaNet when they said this would be a PvP + vanity hunting game are getting extremely frustrated right now.

Why do you assume that every MMORPG automatically competes with that game we won’t mention?

Why do you assume that these companies have no contingency plan or bottom line on the amount of subscribers they require to stay afloat?

I some how do not think that investors would see it your way.

Explain to us your logic behind how this effects PvP and what forms of the enviroment does it effect in PvP.

i totally agree with the title of the thread…i want to play Guild Wars, not another wow-clone where the endgame is farming the equipment. GW1 not needed this type of endgame and i love it for this…
if you choose to introduce new sets like ascendant (understood as more powerful than exotic items) I will leave the game because it is not the game you advertised for all these years and does not follow the philosophy of the original guild wars.
ok new dungeons and new sets of armor but using the same stats of exotic.
i think you are destroying your game and betraying your long date fans

Honestly I wouldn’t mind if what they did was stick to the exotics stat cap, but give these new things unique bonuses. A set of 3 bonus stats you can’t get on other weapons, but obviously still have these stats capped in the same way.

It makes it unnecessary to obtain, but still a reason to obtain. It also keeps everything currently in the game viable.

Bardak.8413:

i totally agree with the title of the thread…i want to play Guild Wars, not another wow-clone where the endgame is farming the equipment. GW1 not needed this type of endgame and i love it for this…
if you choose to introduce new sets like ascendant (understood as more powerful than exotic items) I will leave the game because it is not the game you advertised for all these years and does not follow the philosophy of the original guild wars.
ok new dungeons and new sets of armor but using the same stats of exotic.
i think you are destroying your game and betraying your long date fans

To everyone and anyone who claims they will simply quit the second they run with a design platform like this, let me point out the flaw in your argument.

If you paid for the game (which obviously you have or you would not be playing) and spend nothing in the cash shop, Anet losses nothing, they made money from your box sale.

If you paid for the game and spent money on the cash shop, Anet made a bonus from you and depending on the amount you have spent, you can divide that payment to break up into a monthly fee that some subscription based MMORPG’s charge.

So in actual fact, for Anet, this is a win/win.

Such fail. So now everyone in WvW will have to dump all their exotic WvW sets and get all this new stuff.

This looks bad… I have 21 character slots and max bank and I almost want to quit just thinking about trying to make room to hold all of my gear sets…

WvW will not be happy…

Newer skins and stat combos would be a better way to go… and maybe sigils, runes and eventually skills… but not this…

Taemek.1602:

SiNoS.2147:

This should have just been brought into the game like infusion was in the first game with being able to add the infusion to your currently existing exotics without raising the stat level. As it sets they are just going to ruin there game as the only game to thrive on the treadmill has been WoW. Every other game has crashed and burned when these changes have started.

Very bland and blanket based statements based upon what proof?

Just about every other game that has crashed and burned is still running, with minimal population and this, could just as well been planned in thier forcast for the games life span.

The question people like yourself needs to ask is, how many people are gaming companies willing to cater too before they pull the plug on the servers? This we will never know, but if a game is still floating and releasing content, clearly, they are not crashing and burning.

On top of this, no, that game you mention which we will not speak of is not the only game to thrive on a gear grind treadmill, many are still thriving on it and are still releasing content.

The failure is, people like yourself who only choose to compaire everything to that mmorpg. That is the only problem.

So if any game runs with low population, WHY not making a game that is different from each other as the KEPT PROMISING us? Why try to appeal other poeple that would go again after a month or so if it doesn’t really matter if the GW fanbase is going because that game coudl still run in minimum population?

as title, seriously dunno who the shxt think of this idea, no marketing sense basically. if u devs want to differentiate the game as promised at the begining with all those interviews, u would definately not doing this and enhance the game “difficulty” on pve with more superior AI and so many better way of making “progessions” PURE DISAPPOINTING ON READING THE NEWS. gg