Guild Wars 2

Down stage in WvW just dosent have any thing with skills to do..

I’v thourgh that Gw2 would be all about skills but with down stage system its all about numbers.

Lets take a 1 vs 3 i can easy get ppl downed but when i comes to finish that force me to stand still for 3,5 sec. = 3.5 sec i take huge damg and thats if your are lucky, try finish a thief, mesmer or elementalist, that take way longer and half the times you try finish you get knocked away / down and are you 1 vs 3 they will allways could rezz each other. I belive it’s only noobs who love this downed stage because wtf some do even 2,5 k dmg in downed stage and rally on mobs (WoW skills)

I see 2 things you can do about it.

1. Remove downed stage and say are you dead in WvW your got dam dead and make it so ppl can only rezz ppl when they arent in combat..

2. Do so that you can max get rezzed / rally 1 time and then next time your totaly dead.

Those 2 suggestions would really make skills shine and dont force ppl to stand still take tons damg to make an stupid finish move (Pro gamer prefere not to get killed by TONS aoe damg when they try to finish a player for the 3 time in a row..)

Just saying skills is what you can do while your alive, how good you are to kite and make the right moves to counter your enemy. How can you do that with min. 3,5 sec CC for Finish a player..

Please let me know if im the only one who would love to see Downed stage nerfed or removed in WvW.

Sorry for my bad english hope you get my point…

I agree, although I don’t really have problems finishing an opponet off, downed mode is pretty dumb in PvP settings.

There’s some really cool Guns ’n Roses lyrics that come to mind…what was it…oh yeah:

“Sometimes I feel like I’m beating a dead horse”.

Who call himself a Pro gamer and spec after Downed benefits ?

Its such a shame when you are like 3 vs 15 and you just see them rezzing realm mates even if they have been finished, Its just a match you never can win because of that..

If you want your suggestion to be considered I’d refrain from using the term “noobs” and condescend people for using a legitimate feature of the game. I agree the game doesn’t cater to small group play and the downed state makes it harder to do so. Once they get enough feedback on what people want out of smaller group player combat and how to reward it the downed state wont be an issue.

The problem with that is PvE and WvW share the same mechanics.

Take away the downed state and the PvE’ers will pitch a fit. As will the dungeon runners especially with the current no waypointing if you die and ANY of your members are still in combat.

The downed state system playes no role in wvw other then compliment bandwagon players/zerging. As soon as you are solo or 2-3 players, its almost impossible to win bigger fights. You get players downed who are instantly rezzed. Even if you get the opportunity to stomp, many classes has skills that makes it very difficult to do so and are often able to postpone their death till you are downed youself. There needs to be a downed state fix for wvw so that you can only get rezzed or rally once every 5 mins or so.
If you are against many its almost a penalty to down players because a stomp = 3,5 sec where the enemy can unload all their damage freely on you while rezzing.

I hope they make the game more skill req. than force ppl to stand stil 3.5 sec. Rally / down stage only benefit zergs and manny VS few..

It dossent take that long time to run from WC to the action so skip rezzing doing combat, that way you would se players with skills shine and the zerg’s fall’s

Try see this and thinke what i could have done to this zerg if i shouldent stop up and finish ppl and notice that i take much more dmg while i try finish ppl

( dont put sound on its my first movie ever and its bad made i know.. )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4ssZoKl_4

And NO thief’s arent OP just simply ppl there dont use there CC as intended..

Down state is just a game mechanic, and can be used by both “pros” and “noobs”. I know I use it to my advantage quite often. Let’s say in 5v10 situations. My buddies and I are the 5, and we take down the 10 because we incorporate the downstate in our strategy. It’s not hard either if you have skills. Like we have 3 of our people in downstate, and then we single target an enemy player that might be down, and rally off them.

Now, as for 1v2 or more, I’ve done solo harass fights where I can take them down. You have to be smart about it though. I had moments where people are ressing each other, so I hit the ressers and get free damage off them. As soon as the downed person is up, I immediately jump on him and down him in a couple seconds (I kill the weak first… but that’s my strategy on taking on multiple enemies). Now, the person who ressed him will most likely res him again, but he/she will already be hurt from me hurting them earlier. So win-win, kill the resser, down 2. You can factor in the 3rd player too.

Just remember, the person you down will res with lower HP, and the next time they’re downed, they have even less HP, leading to a longer res time. Sometimes you don’t even have to down them. Just kill them straight out.

kenshinakh.3672:

Down state is just a game mechanic, and can be used by both “pros” and “noobs”. I know I use it to my advantage quite often. Let’s say in 5v10 situations. My buddies and I are the 5, and we take down the 10 because we incorporate the downstate in our strategy. It’s not hard either if you have skills. Like we have 3 of our people in downstate, and then we single target an enemy player that might be down, and rally off them.

Now, as for 1v2 or more, I’ve done solo harass fights where I can take them down. You have to be smart about it though. I had moments where people are ressing each other, so I hit the ressers and get free damage off them. As soon as the downed person is up, I immediately jump on him and down him in a couple seconds (I kill the weak first… but that’s my strategy on taking on multiple enemies). Now, the person who ressed him will most likely res him again, but he/she will already be hurt from me hurting them earlier. So win-win, kill the resser, down 2. You can factor in the 3rd player too.

Just remember, the person you down will res with lower HP, and the next time they’re downed, they have even less HP, leading to a longer res time. Sometimes you don’t even have to down them. Just kill them straight out.

That is kind of what i hate, why ever play with it as a strategy ? In what game did you ever get benefit from dieing / hardly wounded ?

And what where is the skills that manny rally on 1 kill ?

Those guys you where fighting wassent you equal and thats why you did win that fight, if you fight ppl whit skills they wouldent let that happend.

And that about killing the one rezzing just not do abel all the time..

:-) but ty for you input i know some like the rally thing but i personal thinke its for noobs only so all ppl are happy Playing WvW

you also don’t need to stomp, unless something has changed you can just keep hitting them.

personally im all for anything that makes siege/raid pvp require more teamwork than bring dps, so many games massive pvp fails because it rarely ends up as mass pvp but more roaming gankers or small groups abusing flavour of the month builds.

so no, keep downed in wvw

Soalone.2514:

kenshinakh.3672:

Down state is just a game mechanic, and can be used by both “pros” and “noobs”. I know I use it to my advantage quite often. Let’s say in 5v10 situations. My buddies and I are the 5, and we take down the 10 because we incorporate the downstate in our strategy. It’s not hard either if you have skills. Like we have 3 of our people in downstate, and then we single target an enemy player that might be down, and rally off them.

Now, as for 1v2 or more, I’ve done solo harass fights where I can take them down. You have to be smart about it though. I had moments where people are ressing each other, so I hit the ressers and get free damage off them. As soon as the downed person is up, I immediately jump on him and down him in a couple seconds (I kill the weak first… but that’s my strategy on taking on multiple enemies). Now, the person who ressed him will most likely res him again, but he/she will already be hurt from me hurting them earlier. So win-win, kill the resser, down 2. You can factor in the 3rd player too.

Just remember, the person you down will res with lower HP, and the next time they’re downed, they have even less HP, leading to a longer res time. Sometimes you don’t even have to down them. Just kill them straight out.

That is kind of what i hate, why ever play with it as a strategy ? In what game did you ever get benefit from dieing / hardly wounded ?

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I think the game was guild wars 2

But don’t quote me on that..

sorry I have no self restraint.. I tried not to post..

I just really hope that ANet takes no notice of this whatsoever…

I’d like it if the people who’s ideas get in the game, can actually speak proper english…

Although I’m sure there is one developer out there who likes your “pwn dem noobs” strategy… what was it? Oh yeah, Blizzard, with WoW. Go.

For as many threads that reference small-group vs large-group complaints about WvWvW, I still don’t really understand it. Exactly what part of World…vs World…vs World sounds centered around anything small? Granted, you can do it there, run in small groups, but I liken it most of the time to me trying to solo or duo dungeons meant for five people. Doable, but not the brightest idea. I mean I guess maybe if they had a larger strategical purpose, running dolyaks or taking camps, harassing, etc. Most of these threads don’t seem to mention that, though. They just sound like they want five people to be able to beat ten or twenty, when everything about this game makes those very unlikely odds that require very specific coordination to accomplish—some methods of which have already been listed here or in other threads. If you want small-scale PvP, why not go do rated PvP with small groups? What am I missing here?

You don’t HAVE to take 3.5sec to stomp a downed guy, you can just fight the others, and sometimes attack him so that he doesn’t heal, it’s pretty easy …
And if people go in to rez him, you can even feel lucky, they are balled, and willing to get kill.

don’t care for the reasoning since there is more then enough logical reason behind removing downed from pvp all together.

downed system got no place in pvp.

Erebus.7568:

don’t care for the reasoning since there is more then enough logical reason behind removing downed from pvp all together.

downed system got no place in pvp.

this mechanic actually adds to the depth of the gameplay..

promotes team play..

and in general stops it being a zerg fest so much..

Soalone.2514:

I hope they make the game more skill req. than force ppl to stand stil 3.5 sec. Rally / down stage only benefit zergs and manny VS few..

Alright, I get it, you’re new. That is alright, we’ve all been there. But you do not need to stand still for 3.5 sec. You don’t need to stand still at all. Unless you want to revive a downed ally, THEN you need to be still… So, if you want to take down a bunch of opponents with superior numbers? Put one in downed state and AoE that ball.

Soalone.2514:

It dossent take that long time to run from WC to the action so skip rezzing doing combat, that way you would se players with skills shine and the zerg’s fall’s

So, if I suck at the game, I’ll blame it on my mad skills that just don’t work with the game and demand the game to be changed?
And yes, it takes long to run from the other side of EB to opponents home keep, where the opponent is constantly getting new players in.

Soalone.2514:

Try see this and thinke what i could have done to this zerg if i shouldent stop up and finish ppl and notice that i take much more dmg while i try finish ppl

Again, big red capital letters with something cool like FINISH THEM! And a hint to press F doesn’t mean you should ignore everything around you and hold that F like a pro.

Soalone.2514:

( dont put sound on its my first movie ever and its bad made i know.. )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4ssZoKl_4

And NO thief’s arent OP just simply ppl there dont use there CC as intended..

Abaddons Mouth is way down in the world rankings. Doesn’t mean that all of their players are bad or newbies or whatever, they just don’t WvW that much. So its not such a big deal to find an AM zerg who can’t handle / bother with a thief.

The problem is not downed state, the problem is res dead players in wvw it has nothing with skills to do. i feel so useless when i kill a player only to see a nearby zerg start to res him and i have to run. please remove the ability to resurrect dead players exclusively for wvw but keep the downed state its fun.

RiKShaw.8795:

I’d like it if the people who’s ideas get in the game, can actually speak proper english…

That’s just silly of you to make a comment on..

crawlerxp.1536:

For as many threads that reference small-group vs large-group complaints about WvWvW, I still don’t really understand it. Exactly what part of World…vs World…vs World sounds centered around anything small?

All i want is that skills matters and that numbers dossen’t (Example. you are 2 pro gamer why should you loose a fight to 10 random player because they just are more than you.)

sistox.9624:

You don’t HAVE to take 3.5sec to stomp a downed guy, you can just fight the others, and sometimes attack him so that he doesn’t heal, it’s pretty easy …
And if people go in to rez him, you can even feel lucky, they are balled, and willing to get kill.

So im playing 1 vs. 5 and i get 1 of them down. you thinke they wont rezz him more than i can do dmg on him just by hitting him once in a while ?

No i need to finish ppl else they get up again and i get just 1 more to look out for again..

I’m playing a con. thief P/D i dont have any burst to take ppl out with and as it is now ppl with Crit burst build have more benefits of just hitting ppl to death..

Downed state should be removed from sPvP/WvW.

tom.7468:

The problem is not downed state, the problem is res dead players in wvw it has nothing with skills to do. i feel so useless when i kill a player only to see a nearby zerg start to res him and i have to run. please remove the ability to resurrect dead players exclusively for wvw but keep the downed state its fun.

This is silly,

i feel so useless when i kill a player only to see a nearby zerg start to res him and i have to run.

Really you feel useless cause they ressed a player you killed, so you run? Your running because someone got ressed not because the zerg monster is baring down on you? Also before you comment and say you ran because of the Zerg take into consideration the contents of your comment preludes to you running from the fact someone got ressed.

Now To the OP

Your in WvWvW where Zerging is a tactic that is needed to over take keeps and castles, period. It is a grand scale war, sure you can have your minor skirmishes on the side but for the most part Large forces are needed to achieve victory. You also claim that it takes no skill for Ressing or players in Downed state, then you list examples you have been in. What it sounds like is your fairly new to this system of play, Just cause they are in a downed state doesn’t mean you have to run over and place a banner in their forehead. That in WvWvW is a common Rookie and or “Noob” Mistake which shows a lack of skill.

So many people cry about the Downed state then make a comment, “No other game of this type has ever had it” Your right no other has. Then again no other game has thrown out the Trinity system, No other game has throwing out the quest system and re-done the way you do it. There are a lot of features in the game that no other game has done, and despite your dislike for the feature many people either have no issues with it or like it. If you want what other MMO’s have in it then go and play the other MMO’s, stop trying to turn this game into the other MMO’s cause you can’t resist the urge to pile drive a banner pole into someones head, and do what 80% of the other Veteran players in WvWvW and TPvP do and just burst damage them down.

Soalone.2514:

crawlerxp.1536:

For as many threads that reference small-group vs large-group complaints about WvWvW, I still don’t really understand it. Exactly what part of World…vs World…vs World sounds centered around anything small?

All i want is that skills matters and that numbers dossen’t (Example. you are 2 pro gamer why should you loose a fight to 10 random player because they just are more than you.)

Then Stop playing WvWvW Mass force movement and attacks are common and a must in that field of PvP. Why should 2 Pro players be gods against over whelming odds every time. Really I am sorry I know this may sound rude but you need to grow up you can not win in every situation no matter how much skill they have.

I would have been more supportive of your argument against zergs if this was in reference to SPvP but it is in reference to WvWvW, what are you doing taking on 5 v 1? Hell The best PvP players in the world don’t take those odds on, that is a pro choice ummm 5v 1 no thanks. 2 v 1 lets do it, choices it what is boils down to either be smart about your battles like “Pros” or be dumb like “Noobs” as you put it.

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I hope they make the game more skill req. than force ppl to stand stil 3.5 sec. Rally / down stage only benefit zergs and manny VS few..

Alright, I get it, you’re new. That is alright, we’ve all been there. But you do not need to stand still for 3.5 sec. You don’t need to stand still at all. Unless you want to revive a downed ally, THEN you need to be still… So, if you want to take down a bunch of opponents with superior numbers? Put one in downed state and AoE that ball.

So smart a.. you thinke im new ^^ you go on belive that.. you advice to AoE hmm can all class/ spec do AoE ? Nope I’m playing P/D con thief i dont have a dmg burst and if im fighting against manny i need to finish ppl, other way they will have to much dmg going on me at the end…

Soalone.2514:

It dossent take that long time to run from WC to the action so skip rezzing doing combat, that way you would se players with skills shine and the zerg’s fall’s

So, if I suck at the game, I’ll blame it on my mad skills that just don’t work with the game and demand the game to be changed?
And yes, it takes long to run from the other side of EB to opponents home keep, where the opponent is constantly getting new players in.

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

Soalone.2514:

Try see this and thinke what i could have done to this zerg if i shouldent stop up and finish ppl and notice that i take much more dmg while i try finish ppl

Again, big red capital letters with something cool like FINISH THEM! And a hint to press F doesn’t mean you should ignore everything around you and hold that F like a pro.

This simply makes you look like you a PvE nerd and thats fine with me..

( dont put sound on its my first movie ever and its bad made i know.. )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4ssZoKl_4

And NO thief’s arent OP just simply ppl there dont use there CC as intended..

Abaddons Mouth is way down in the world rankings. Doesn’t mean that all of their players are bad or newbies or whatever, they just don’t WvW that much. So its not such a big deal to find an AM zerg who can’t handle / bother with a thief.

It is totaly okay that new player / casual player / small kids / Freaks that don’t have a life plays.. but dont make 10 new player win by rally or down stage vs a hardcore duo (and no its not me im talking about)

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

crawlerxp.1536:

For as many threads that reference small-group vs large-group complaints about WvWvW, I still don’t really understand it. Exactly what part of World…vs World…vs World sounds centered around anything small?

All i want is that skills matters and that numbers dossen’t (Example. you are 2 pro gamer why should you loose a fight to 10 random player because they just are more than you.)

Then Stop playing WvWvW Mass force movement and attacks are common and a must in that field of PvP. Why should 2 Pro players be gods against over whelming odds every time. Really I am sorry I know this may sound rude but you need to grow up you can not win in every situation no matter how much skill they have.

I would have been more supportive of your argument against zergs if this was in reference to SPvP but it is in reference to WvWvW, what are you doing taking on 5 v 1? Hell The best PvP players in the world don’t take those odds on, that is a pro choice ummm 5v 1 no thanks. 2 v 1 lets do it, choices it what is boils down to either be smart about your battles like “Pros” or be dumb like “Noobs” as you put it.

All i have been saying was just examples..

I don’t see why numbers of players should beat better players.

I dont see why anet chose to let ppl rally on deer / wolfs where the skills in that if you can just rally all the time.

As the Down stage is now there are 3 problems.

1. Some can be downed and still be hitting for 2.5 k dmg (WTF!!)

2. classes with burst dmg has a benefit to kill downed ppl than ppl with con spec.

3. you simply dont have to fight for your life it dossent matter as long your running with the zergs you all good = Zerg train = skilles ppl

Soalone.2514:

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I hope they make the game more skill req. than force ppl to stand stil 3.5 sec. Rally / down stage only benefit zergs and manny VS few..

Alright, I get it, you’re new. That is alright, we’ve all been there. But you do not need to stand still for 3.5 sec. You don’t need to stand still at all. Unless you want to revive a downed ally, THEN you need to be still… So, if you want to take down a bunch of opponents with superior numbers? Put one in downed state and AoE that ball.

So smart a.. you thinke im new ^^ you go on belive that.. you advice to AoE hmm can all class/ spec do AoE ? Nope I’m playing P/D con thief i dont have a dmg burst and if im fighting against manny i need to finish ppl, other way they will have to much dmg going on me at the end…

Soalone.2514:

It dossent take that long time to run from WC to the action so skip rezzing doing combat, that way you would se players with skills shine and the zerg’s fall’s

So, if I suck at the game, I’ll blame it on my mad skills that just don’t work with the game and demand the game to be changed?
And yes, it takes long to run from the other side of EB to opponents home keep, where the opponent is constantly getting new players in.

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

Soalone.2514:

Try see this and thinke what i could have done to this zerg if i shouldent stop up and finish ppl and notice that i take much more dmg while i try finish ppl

Again, big red capital letters with something cool like FINISH THEM! And a hint to press F doesn’t mean you should ignore everything around you and hold that F like a pro.

This simply makes you look like you a PvE nerd and thats fine with me..

( dont put sound on its my first movie ever and its bad made i know.. )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4ssZoKl_4

And NO thief’s arent OP just simply ppl there dont use there CC as intended..

Abaddons Mouth is way down in the world rankings. Doesn’t mean that all of their players are bad or newbies or whatever, they just don’t WvW that much. So its not such a big deal to find an AM zerg who can’t handle / bother with a thief.

It is totaly okay that new player / casual player / small kids / Freaks that don’t have a life plays.. but dont make 10 new player win by rally or down stage vs a hardcore duo (and no its not me im talking about)

I think you have a mis conception of the downed state mechanic, I thin your play a stealth build thieve ( as most P/D thieves are ) and you want to rule a battlefield with a condition/ bunker thieve. ( well more you can’t see me there fore you can’t damage me build not so much a bunker )

You Keep commenting that it is skill or isn’t skill rather for a 10 v 1 to smash or 10 v 2 to smash Pro players. Then I keep thinking “Pro Players” would never 10 v 2 any how, so before you go off on your righteous crusade to remove something that has no real issues in the game and start calling people Noob’s that use it you should probably check out what real Pro’s ( not your self proclaimed pro status is ) feel and how they use it. Java and team PZ are the top team in the NA and they use it all the time, Lowell from Curse Best PvP team in EU use it all the time. I guess they are just Noobs in your mind, these are people that also WvWvW you can catch their videos on you tube in fact most of their WvWvW videos the only time they are not in a group is when they are scouting or setting up a Portzerg. When they run into 10 + players of opposition they retreat and try again.

So I guess I am saying is if your considering your self “Pro” Status then maybe you should be looking at your tactics and mental skills cause your choice to run up against a 10 v 2 is not a very pro like decision.

Soalone.2514:

crawlerxp.1536:

For as many threads that reference small-group vs large-group complaints about WvWvW, I still don’t really understand it. Exactly what part of World…vs World…vs World sounds centered around anything small?

All i want is that skills matters and that numbers dossen’t (Example. you are 2 pro gamer why should you loose a fight to 10 random player because they just are more than you.)

I’m skilled in martial arts with fancy belt colors in multiple different styles. I wouldn’t take on 1v5 or 2v10 (partly because the legal stuff afterwards would be a pain). This is not WoW, this is not Dragon Ball, this is GW2. If you are heavily outnumbered, you are heavily outnumbered.
You’re asking why 2 players can’t beat 10 players. I’m asking, why should they be able to beat 10 players? Although if there are two truly pro players who find a random bunch of 10 players with no coordination or tactics and these two pro’s decide to defy all odds, sure they can beat them. Odds are even better if they are utilizing the terrain for their advantage. But its appropriately hard.

Soalone.2514:

So im playing 1 vs. 5 and i get 1 of them down. you thinke they wont rezz him more than i can do dmg on him just by hitting him once in a while ?

No i need to finish ppl else they get up again and i get just 1 more to look out for again..

I’m playing a con. thief P/D i dont have any burst to take ppl out with and as it is now ppl with Crit burst build have more benefits of just hitting ppl to death..

Every “once in a while”? What, are you trying to kill him or trying to wake him up? Deal damage if you want to kill him, get out of that combat if you’re not particularly interested. Even my support elementalist can take down people in zergs. Even more if they try to rez. Why? I keep hitting them till they are dead.
If you only hit your target every “once in a while” in such casual manner as you make it sound, the problem is probably not the opponent rezes, its more likely you being casual about the combat.

I like downed state because it is a step towards realism. It makes the game easier to get into. If you think about it, you hardly ever have a fight (without modern weapons) where you keep fighting to your fullest capability, and then without any warning drop dead. If you are cut and pierced several times, of course your powers wane and you eventually go down. And if you have a friend to quickly bind your wounds and revitalize you, give you adrealine or whatever, you can get back up. Or if you have a sufficient morale boost. (The feeling of “I can do this!”)

I wonder if it would be mechanically possible to implement a ‘trait’ [for lack of better words] just for downed. Option 1) No Change. Option 2) Deal significant bonus damage to downed opponents but lose the ability to be downed yourself [instant defeated]. This Trait cannot be switched out-of-combat like weapons, but can be switched like perm. traits would.

Option 1 allows Groups to continue to operate as intended and Option 2 allows skilled players to potentially succeed against superior numbers.

Soalone.2514

So smart a.. you thinke im new ^^ you go on belive that.. you advice to AoE hmm can all class/ spec do AoE ? Nope I’m playing P/D con thief i dont have a dmg burst and if im fighting against manny i need to finish ppl, other way they will have to much dmg going on me at the end…

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

This simply makes you look like you a PvE nerd and thats fine with me..

It is totaly okay that new player / casual player / small kids / Freaks that don’t have a life plays.. but dont make 10 new player win by rally or down stage vs a hardcore duo (and no its not me im talking about)

Can all class spec do AoE? Yes, yes they can. You are playing a P/D con Thief… so? Pull out D/D or Short Bow, bam you have AoE. Thief can do AoE, just like every class. The fact that you are playing a different spec doesn’t change that fact. That is a choice you made, not the game.

You keep calling everyone a noob, but the way you describe your situation it really doesn’t sound like you understand how to handle these things. A “Pro Gamer” doesn’t get trashed because he brought someone to a downed state but can’t finish the job.

Basically you seem to have an unnecessarily puffed up opinion of yourself. Along with a fully unnecessarily rude and condasending attitude toward everyone who disagrees with you. Learn to handle the game at its level, rather than compaining when you can’t. You can’t call yourself Pro, then fail at one of the most basic designs of the game.

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

crawlerxp.1536:

For as many threads that reference small-group vs large-group complaints about WvWvW, I still don’t really understand it. Exactly what part of World…vs World…vs World sounds centered around anything small?

All i want is that skills matters and that numbers dossen’t (Example. you are 2 pro gamer why should you loose a fight to 10 random player because they just are more than you.)

Then Stop playing WvWvW Mass force movement and attacks are common and a must in that field of PvP. Why should 2 Pro players be gods against over whelming odds every time. Really I am sorry I know this may sound rude but you need to grow up you can not win in every situation no matter how much skill they have.

I would have been more supportive of your argument against zergs if this was in reference to SPvP but it is in reference to WvWvW, what are you doing taking on 5 v 1? Hell The best PvP players in the world don’t take those odds on, that is a pro choice ummm 5v 1 no thanks. 2 v 1 lets do it, choices it what is boils down to either be smart about your battles like “Pros” or be dumb like “Noobs” as you put it.

All i have been saying was just examples..

I don’t see why numbers of players should beat better players.

I dont see why anet chose to let ppl rally on deer / wolfs where the skills in that if you can just rally all the time.

As the Down stage is now there are 3 problems.

1. Some can be downed and still be hitting for 2.5 k dmg (WTF!!)

2. classes with burst dmg has a benefit to kill downed ppl than ppl with con spec.

3. you simply dont have to fight for your life it dossent matter as long your running with the zergs you all good = Zerg train = skilles ppl

2. classes with burst dmg has a benefit to kill downed ppl than ppl with con spec.
I play a condition spec
Necro
Ranger
THieve ( Stealth P/D build)
Mesmer

Out of 4 condition spec profession I can kill a downed player just fine
My Thieve not so much, again I don’t run WvWvW as a Stealth thieve condition build I run him as a burst stealth.

1. Some can be downed and still be hitting for 2.5 k dmg (WTF!!)
I have never either ( noticed being hit ) or more than likely never been hit for 2.5k from any downed stated player, in fact my beefiest Glass canon build only hits for around 800 in downed state, I would imagine someone that specs into a downed sated damage increase can manage a 1.5 maybe, who knows I have no concrete proof. But your missing the point he speced a Trait specialty to do more damaged while in a downed state sacrificing damage out put of any type while not in downed state. What is the problem here? That would only be a problem if he could pump out a tremendous amount of damage while not in downed state.

3. you simply dont have to fight for your life it dossent matter as long your running with the zergs you all good = Zerg train = skilles ppl

You …. No you do have the wrong out look on what WvWvW is, Zerging is part of WvWvW period no but’s no what ifs. If you do not like the zerg go play in TPvP not Structured, cause the maps are small and players are more and allows for the Zerg = win, Arena Net really needs to change the maps in SPvP to make them a little larger so that Zerg does not = win, although that is a different topic. You want small scaled fights then go to tourny play ( Paid tourny’s ) World vs World vs world is not the place for you.

Kaimick.5109:

So I guess I am saying is if your considering your self “Pro” Status then maybe you should be looking at your tactics and mental skills cause your choice to run up against a 10 v 2 is not a very pro like decision.

Well we hardly meet less than FG+ in WvW and 1 or 2 vs 10 isent imposible i have done this 100 times and win allmost all the time, i do it cause i like the challenge in it to be out numbered.. Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

And dont get me started on how manny thing you can do to counter “finish” on..
and you just dont have the same terms when you are few vs manny..

Soalone.2514:

So smart a.. you thinke im new ^^ you go on belive that.. you advice to AoE hmm can all class/ spec do AoE ? Nope I’m playing P/D con thief i dont have a dmg burst and if im fighting against manny i need to finish ppl, other way they will have to much dmg going on me at the end…

Most classes can AoE. Thief can also. If you want to go against superior numbers and refuse to bring AoE, it puzzles me that you claim you’re not new.

Soalone.2514:

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

It’s a fundamental mechanism of the game, for pro and newbies alike. If you wanted to ask a question, you’re in the wrong sub forum. This is for suggestions. If you got 3 people rallying from a deer, your opponent is better than you originally described.

Soalone.2514:

This simply makes you look like you a PvE nerd and thats fine with me..

I direct you at my signature.

Soalone.2514:

It is totaly okay that new player / casual player / small kids / Freaks that don’t have a life plays.. but dont make 10 new player win by rally or down stage vs a hardcore duo (and no its not me im talking about)

Sun Tzu

He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Can all class spec do AoE? Yes, yes they can. You are playing a P/D con Thief… so? Pull out D/D or Short Bow, bam you have AoE. Thief can do AoE, just like every class. The fact that you are playing a different spec doesn’t change that fact. That is a choice you made, not the game.

You keep calling everyone a noob, but the way you describe your situation it really doesn’t sound like you understand how to handle these things. A “Pro Gamer” doesn’t get trashed because he brought someone to a downed state but can’t finish the job.

Basically you seem to have an unnecessarily puffed up opinion of yourself. Along with a fully unnecessarily rude and condasending attitude toward everyone who disagrees with you. Learn to handle the game at its level, rather than compaining when you can’t. You can’t call yourself Pro, then fail at one of the most basic designs of the game.

First of all a P/D thief was an exampel and what you advice is to go D/D or bow for AoE, well on D/D i can’t Aoe without spending my points witch i need for stealth when im alone vs manny and on my bow same problem… you really dont know anything about thief’s need to stay out of sight ? or atleast thats the way to kill manny at the same time…

Second thing is that i aint calling everyone noobs, if all was the hole thing wassent a problem, the problem comes when i meet ppl who know how to play and counter my trys to finish or Spam dmg as soon one of there team mates go down, witch force me to stay away and they can rezz there grp. mates up fast..

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

So I guess I am saying is if your considering your self “Pro” Status then maybe you should be looking at your tactics and mental skills cause your choice to run up against a 10 v 2 is not a very pro like decision.

Well we hardly meet less than FG+ in WvW and 1 or 2 vs 10 isent imposible i have done this 100 times and win allmost all the time, i do it cause i like the challenge in it to be out numbered.. Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

And dont get me started on how manny thing you can do to counter “finish” on..
and you just dont have the same terms when you are few vs manny..

Your just contradicted your self, if you almost ( not allmost ) win all the time what are you complaining about, even though I find it hard to believe this statement, you must be on a Low end teir server for WvWvW cause Black gate is in the second to highest Bracket for WvWvW and that doesn’t happen very often.

Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

this post is riddled with bad spelling and grammar so a few corrections for future reference, especially if you want people to take you seriously for discussions.
Not hole it is Whole
Not wassent it is wasn’t
Not isent it is Isn’t
wont go into the grammatical part

So any how your whole post was it takes no skills to be in a downed state only noobs use it pro’s never use it. You have preludes to your self being pro the whole time, even though you have never specifically stated, " I am a pro" your context of words used, and the way you phrased them made that clear to every reader.

Anchorwind.9016:

I wonder if it would be mechanically possible to implement a ‘trait’ [for lack of better words] just for downed. Option 1) No Change. Option 2) Deal significant bonus damage to downed opponents but lose the ability to be downed yourself [instant defeated]. This Trait cannot be switched out-of-combat like weapons, but can be switched like perm. traits would.

Option 1 allows Groups to continue to operate as intended and Option 2 allows skilled players to potentially succeed against superior numbers.

That would be only useful for killstealing, which we try to avoid here. You’d be doing insane amount of dmg for players you didn’t fight to down, thus getting tagged for the kill easier than anyone around you, basically denying them the chance to tag themselves for the kill. (Those who weren’t fast enough to tag themselves for the kill while the opponent was still up) You’d just vulture around waiting for people to go to downed state.

Soalone.2514:

First of all a P/D thief was an exampel and what you advice is to go D/D or bow for AoE, well on D/D i can Aoe without spending my points witch i need for stealth when im alone vs manny and on my bow same problem… you really dont know anything about thief’s need to stay out of sight ? or atleast thats the way to kill manny at the same time…

Second thing is that i aint calling everyone noobs, if all was the hole thing wassent a problem, the problem comes when i meet ppl who know how to play and counter my trys to finish or Spam dmg as soon one of there team mates go down, witch force me to stay away and they can rezz there grp. mates up fast..

You refute an argument by making a claim that has nothing to do with the original claim, nor the argument against it? You claimed that not every CLASS has AoE then made an example of a spec within a class. I educated you on the fact that every class does infact have the ability to AoE and pointed you to a spec within your chosen class that fits the bill.

Your assumption, incidentally that all thieves need to make heavy use of stealth is false. That is one way to play a thief. I have two, neither use stealth much at all. One is an evasion theif, the other is a teleport thief. Also, staying out of sight is not a way to kill many real fast. Hitting many real fast and real hard is a way to kill many real fast. Staying out of sight is only a way to not be killed yourself as easily. I personally love killing stealth thieves on my ranger because I can hit them whether I can see them or not.

So, your WHOLE (not hole) problem is that when you take on more people than yourself they work together better than you work alone and are able to thwart your attempts to kill their allies? You call people noobs because they play better than you? That seems counter intuitive.

Soalone.2514:

First of all a P/D thief was an exampel and what you advice is to go D/D or bow for AoE, well on D/D i can’t Aoe without spending my points witch i need for stealth when im alone vs manny and on my bow same problem… you really dont know anything about thief’s need to stay out of sight ? or atleast thats the way to kill manny at the same time…

Second thing is that i aint calling everyone noobs, if all was the hole thing wassent a problem, the problem comes when i meet ppl who know how to play and counter my trys to finish or Spam dmg as soon one of there team mates go down, witch force me to stay away and they can rezz there grp. mates up fast..

Wow I see more red underscores than anything else lol any how

Your first statement, just so you understand what you are conveying here regardless of weather that is what you were going for or not, your grammar and ability to put constructive sentences together say’s this.

I want a build that can do Condition damage/ be a glass canon/ and do awesome AoE so I ( here is the leet speech ) PWNDEMNOOBALLDAYYO. Then you make countless comments about how this game is suppose to be about skill and you want this.

the problem comes when i meet ppl who know how to play and counter my trys to finish or Spam dmg as soon one of there team mates go down, witch force me to stay away and they can rezz there grp. mates up fast.

This sounds like the group has skill and proper knowledge to avoid getting shut down, why is this a problem? You have posted multiple times this game is about skill, well that is a clear definition of skill, and team work, how is this the Downed state Mechanic’s fault?

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

It’s a fundamental mechanism of the game, for pro and newbies alike. If you wanted to ask a question, you’re in the wrong sub forum. This is for suggestions. If you got 3 people rallying from a deer, your opponent is better than you originally described.

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

So I guess I am saying is if your considering your self “Pro” Status then maybe you should be looking at your tactics and mental skills cause your choice to run up against a 10 v 2 is not a very pro like decision.

Well we hardly meet less than FG+ in WvW and 1 or 2 vs 10 isent imposible i have done this 100 times and win allmost all the time, i do it cause i like the challenge in it to be out numbered.. Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

And dont get me started on how manny thing you can do to counter “finish” on..
and you just dont have the same terms when you are few vs manny..

Your just contradicted your self, if you almost ( not allmost ) win all the time what are you complaining about, even though I find it hard to believe this statement, you must be on a Low end teir server for WvWvW cause Black gate is in the second to highest Bracket for WvWvW and that doesn’t happen very often.

Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

this post is riddled with bad spelling and grammar so a few corrections for future reference, especially if you want people to take you seriously for discussions.
Not hole it is Whole
Not wassent it is wasn’t
Not isent it is Isn’t
wont go into the grammatical part

So any how your whole post was it takes no skills to be in a downed state only noobs use it pro’s never use it. You have preludes to your self being pro the whole time, even though you have never specifically stated, " I am a pro" your context of words used, and the way you phrased them made that clear to every reader.

So cause my english sux im not allowed to tell my opinion ?

Downed State adds 3 great things to WvW / PvP in general:

1. Mini-objectives

• Players that are normally uncatchable because of dodges, dashes, swiftness, etc. can be forced into a motionless state to ‘Finish’ or ‘Revive’
• This gives combat depth by giving fast-paced combat moments of opportunity/vulnerability

2. Compensates for the lack of a dedicated healer

• Anyone can help an ally on their feet.
• This makes everyone universally helpful even if they’ve failed to do anything else

3. The rubberband effect

• Players can make excellent combats when they know how to play with the Downed State. Again – It gives the combat more depth.

—

The only thing Downed State needs is a ‘Sacrifice’ option where you can finish yourself if no allies are around.

Example:

Engineer – “Hidden Bomb” – Set off a close range bomb that finishes you off and dealing massive damage to nearby enemies.

Soalone.2514:

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

It’s a fundamental mechanism of the game, for pro and newbies alike. If you wanted to ask a question, you’re in the wrong sub forum. This is for suggestions. If you got 3 people rallying from a deer, your opponent is better than you originally described.

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

SO MUCH RED

This statement is …… ummm….. so anyhow because you do not fully understand a mechanic and you have been thwarted by good players that have taken advantage of this mechanic the way it was intended to be taken advantage of it is a bad mechanic?

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

First of all a P/D thief was an exampel and what you advice is to go D/D or bow for AoE, well on D/D i can’t Aoe without spending my points witch i need for stealth when im alone vs manny and on my bow same problem… you really dont know anything about thief’s need to stay out of sight ? or atleast thats the way to kill manny at the same time…

Second thing is that i aint calling everyone noobs, if all was the hole thing wassent a problem, the problem comes when i meet ppl who know how to play and counter my trys to finish or Spam dmg as soon one of there team mates go down, witch force me to stay away and they can rezz there grp. mates up fast..

Wow I see more red underscores than anything else lol any how

Your first statement, just so you understand what you are conveying here regardless of weather that is what you were going for or not, your grammar and ability to put constructive sentences together say’s this.

I want a build that can do Condition damage/ be a glass canon/ and do awesome AoE so I ( here is the leet speech ) PWNDEMNOOBALLDAYYO. Then you make countless comments about how this game is suppose to be about skill and you want this.

the problem comes when i meet ppl who know how to play and counter my trys to finish or Spam dmg as soon one of there team mates go down, witch force me to stay away and they can rezz there grp. mates up fast.

This sounds like the group has skill and proper knowledge to avoid getting shut down, why is this a problem? You have posted multiple times this game is about skill, well that is a clear definition of skill, and team work, how is this the Downed state Mechanic’s fault?

It aint a problem if they beat me or not then problem comes when they get hugh advantage of being more ppl so when i fight and get ppl down in those 1 vs 5+ cases then i will take 80% of all dmg in that fight while trying to finish them and i dont thinke that has anything to do with skills that i will loose cause im forced to stay still to finish…

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

It’s a fundamental mechanism of the game, for pro and newbies alike. If you wanted to ask a question, you’re in the wrong sub forum. This is for suggestions. If you got 3 people rallying from a deer, your opponent is better than you originally described.

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

SO MUCH RED

This statement is …… ummm….. so anyhow because you do not fully understand a mechanic and you have been thwarted by good players that have taken advantage of this mechanic the way it was intended to be taken advantage of it is a bad mechanic?

It is all about Numbers in this game so those who get advantage of downed stage / rally are those there are most of forexampel 2 vs 5+

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

So I guess I am saying is if your considering your self “Pro” Status then maybe you should be looking at your tactics and mental skills cause your choice to run up against a 10 v 2 is not a very pro like decision.

Well we hardly meet less than FG+ in WvW and 1 or 2 vs 10 isent imposible i have done this 100 times and win allmost all the time, i do it cause i like the challenge in it to be out numbered.. Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

And dont get me started on how manny thing you can do to counter “finish” on..
and you just dont have the same terms when you are few vs manny..

Your just contradicted your self, if you almost ( not allmost ) win all the time what are you complaining about, even though I find it hard to believe this statement, you must be on a Low end teir server for WvWvW cause Black gate is in the second to highest Bracket for WvWvW and that doesn’t happen very often.

Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

this post is riddled with bad spelling and grammar so a few corrections for future reference, especially if you want people to take you seriously for discussions.
Not hole it is Whole
Not wassent it is wasn’t
Not isent it is Isn’t
wont go into the grammatical part

So any how your whole post was it takes no skills to be in a downed state only noobs use it pro’s never use it. You have preludes to your self being pro the whole time, even though you have never specifically stated, " I am a pro" your context of words used, and the way you phrased them made that clear to every reader.

So cause my english sux im not allowed to tell my opinion ?

Anywhere in my post did I say, your not allowed to?

No I stated that if you want people to take you on a serious discussion using proper grammar and spelling properly tends to help people discuss and take you seriously.

If English is not your first language that is fine, although I have a lot of friends in Italy and Europe that English is not their first language either and they may mis-spell certain words but they understand that

Hole is not the same as whole and know when to use it, Your suggestions and Opinions are welcomed regardless, but your “Suggestions and Opinions” are just that and can be counter pointed by anyone. Although when you say one thing and then say the opposite and claim your not saying what you just stated, brings peoples ability to discuss things with you down also.

DreamOfACure.4382:

Downed State adds 3 great things to WvW / PvP in general:

1. Mini-objectives

• Players that are normally uncatchable because of dodges, dashes, swiftness, etc. can be forced into a motionless state to ‘Finish’ or ‘Revive’
• This gives combat depth by giving fast-paced combat moments of opportunity/vulnerability

2. Compensates for the lack of a dedicated healer

• Anyone can help an ally on their feet.
• This makes everyone universally helpful even if they’ve failed to do anything else

3. The rubberband effect

• Players can make excellent combats when they know how to play with the Downed State. Again – It gives the combat more depth.

Again you will only get those advantage if your are manny vs few..

Soalone.2514:

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

Please, please pick an excuse and stick with it. First you’re saying you’re here just to tell your opinion and ask what others feel. Then you say you’re here making suggestions.

If you think that demanding always starts by saying “I demand…” I’m afraid to inform you that that is not always the case. “Downed state in WvW is for the noobs” (the title) “remove it” (your suggestion) seems like a demand more than a suggestion to me.

Such numbers rallying on a deer tells something about the group your up against.
1) They have cohesion. Obviously, you got 3 of them down but couldn’t finish them off, so the rest of the group is doing something right.
2) They use the terrain to their advantage. (Yes, that deer is part of the terrain here sorry deer)
3) They plan ahead. (They successfully executed a plan to mass rally.)

I don’t trust your ability to judge the oppositions skill henceforth

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

So I guess I am saying is if your considering your self “Pro” Status then maybe you should be looking at your tactics and mental skills cause your choice to run up against a 10 v 2 is not a very pro like decision.

Well we hardly meet less than FG+ in WvW and 1 or 2 vs 10 isent imposible i have done this 100 times and win allmost all the time, i do it cause i like the challenge in it to be out numbered.. Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

And dont get me started on how manny thing you can do to counter “finish” on..
and you just dont have the same terms when you are few vs manny..

Your just contradicted your self, if you almost ( not allmost ) win all the time what are you complaining about, even though I find it hard to believe this statement, you must be on a Low end teir server for WvWvW cause Black gate is in the second to highest Bracket for WvWvW and that doesn’t happen very often.

Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

this post is riddled with bad spelling and grammar so a few corrections for future reference, especially if you want people to take you seriously for discussions.
Not hole it is Whole
Not wassent it is wasn’t
Not isent it is Isn’t
wont go into the grammatical part

So any how your whole post was it takes no skills to be in a downed state only noobs use it pro’s never use it. You have preludes to your self being pro the whole time, even though you have never specifically stated, " I am a pro" your context of words used, and the way you phrased them made that clear to every reader.

So cause my english sux im not allowed to tell my opinion ?

Anywhere in my post did I say, your not allowed to?

No I stated that if you want people to take you on a serious discussion using proper grammar and spelling properly tends to help people discuss and take you seriously.

If English is not your first language that is fine, although I have a lot of friends in Italy and Europe that English is not their first language either and they may mis-spell certain words but they understand that

Hole is not the same as whole and know when to use it, Your suggestions and Opinions are welcomed regardless, but your “Suggestions and Opinions” are just that and can be counter pointed by anyone. Although when you say one thing and then say the opposite and claim your not saying what you just stated, brings peoples ability to discuss things with you down also.

what have i said and not stand by ?

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

It’s a fundamental mechanism of the game, for pro and newbies alike. If you wanted to ask a question, you’re in the wrong sub forum. This is for suggestions. If you got 3 people rallying from a deer, your opponent is better than you originally described.

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

SO MUCH RED

This statement is …… ummm….. so anyhow because you do not fully understand a mechanic and you have been thwarted by good players that have taken advantage of this mechanic the way it was intended to be taken advantage of it is a bad mechanic?

It is all about Numbers in this game so those who get advantage of downed stage / rally are those there are most of forexampel 2 vs 5+

How is it about numbers? I ran Fractals in level 40 gear ( unknowingly ) and did better than the 80’s in full Exo’s. If that is not a prime example of Numbers mean nothing or very little in this I am not sure what is.

My necro is currently in level 60 yellows ( slowly becoming Exo’s ) and I faced off against a Orrian clad Twlight wielding Warrior, (1v1) I won out in the end, How does numbers matters?

Now if your saying that well there is 10 of them and 1 of me, as in Numbers is all that matter your correct, it is World vs World not TPvP.

If you want a PvP atmosphere that is not based off the numbers of players then go play in Paid tournys 5v5.

This is what I am talking about the more and more you post the more and more people see it is not the Downed state Mechanic that is the problem it is your ability to choice the proper forum to play in.