Guild Wars 2

I have always wondered why arenanet didn’t implement the ability to duel other players or inspecting other players gear. There have been many times where I wanted to check out another players gear, but to do this I have to ask him first, and he might be afk so I will never know. Also a big fun part of mmorpg’s is the ability to duel other players. Please invent those 2 things and the game will be much better!

1) Duelling is supposed to be happening at some point.
2) Absolutely no to inspections. There are enough elitists around already and the last thing this game needs is another feature to allow them to stroke their own egos whilst locking other players out of their oh-so-special groups.

uknortherner.2670:

Absolutely no to inspections. There are enough elitists around already and the last thing this game needs is another feature to allow them to stroke their own egos whilst locking other players out of their oh-so-special groups.

Pretty much this.

The whole “It’ll make elitism!” argument is invalid.
It’s already been proposed that there could be a toggle on/off preview option for people who don’t want to be inspected.
Also, it’s not a gear based game, it’s more skill-based.
Stop using this argument, you’re beating a dead horse here.

Try telling those elitists that it’s all about skill when they’re bleating on about MF items.

If inspection is about knowing the name of the armor skin and being able to preview how it would look on your character that’s fine.
Otherwise I second what has already been said.

Direngrey.1247:

The whole “It’ll make elitism!” argument is invalid.
It’s already been proposed that there could be a toggle on/off preview option for people who don’t want to be inspected.
Also, it’s not a gear based game, it’s more skill-based.
Stop using this argument, you’re beating a dead horse here.

I agree completely, the Toggole on/off button would fix that elitism issue.

Personally, being able to inspect another characters armor/gear can be motivating and spark further interest in the game.

as for the inspecting other peoples gear where are you wanting to use this feature if its implemented?

…at the start of dungeons(you are just wanting to be the elitist)

…after you are laying on your back in WvW and wondering how you got beat(this would also apply to dueling if implemented- If you know what stats he has before the fight you might be able to calculate what skills and build he may have chosen based on what weapon he has in his hand)

…did it look flashy and you said I wonder what stats it has on them(if you plan on getting you the same gear, how do you not know that he just used a transmutation stone on them, the game allows for some nice customization)

I think for me its like this…if I am walking down a busy street and someone just comes up to me and starts measuring my clothes. I would might think they are crazy and not to be trusted. Especially since he can look in the stores and see those clothes, no need to reach into my underwear and turn out the label to read it.

If you want to know about the cosmetics of a certain armor may I suggest the wiki…
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Armor
Or you could look inside the PVP locker inside the mists area to find the names of certain armor.
Or just ask nicely with a subtle compliment. In my experience anyone who has ever asked me the stats on my gear, where not asking me they where telling me that I had to show them, which makes me say kitten off.

“You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar!”

I think I like it the way it is now, so No to Inspecting.
You can have dueling though, it will not affect me as long as I can have a feature to turn off all requests for a duel, then I don’t have to be bothered with them, unless I want to.

It’s a ‘No’ for inspecting from me, as well. I’m running with a semi-obscure armour set right now that gets a lot of compliments and questions about where it’s from: usually I just say “karma” or “it’s transmuted” and then drop the subject, because I’m selfish like that: it is my armour that I worked hard to get and not everyone else has to run around in it. Preserve some of the mystery, and do your own bloody work.
Also, and this is a little less self-centred: inspecting, even with a toggle on/off function, will lead to elitism.

No! for inspecting, even the option to toggle won’t matter as these type of players will still insist on not letting you join unless you show your armor “LFG AC – Show armor or get kicked” I think the better option would be that if it is limited to name of armor and previewing it on you, that should be it IF they ever add it.

Stop being babies, elitism is not as big in this game as other games nor will it be if armor previewing was added. Why? Because the content is not challenging at all.

Nihevil.8024:

Stop being babies, elitism is not as big in this game as other games nor will it be if armor previewing was added. Why? Because the content is not challenging at all.

I’m pretty sure there is some elitism in this game, as there is in every other game out there. If this is added, there is a high chance more elitism will come with it. There is no reason for this.

domxnik.1453:

I’m pretty sure there is some elitism in this game, as there is in every other game out there. If this is added, there is a high chance more elitism will come with it. There is no reason for this.

Never said there wasent any elitism. No, there is not a high chance more elitism will come, this game is super casual there is no need to worry about if someone is wearing blues or exotics. Fractals on the other hand, wait do people even do fractals anymore?

Direngrey.1247:

The whole “It’ll make elitism!” argument is invalid.
It’s already been proposed that there could be a toggle on/off preview option for people who don’t want to be inspected.

That proposal is unacceptable.

The option doesn’t stem people from demanding to know their pt members’ armor.

It’s like saying “You have to option to wear a mask if you don’t want to show your face.”
It just increases the tension when the issue is brought up.

Kitaro Stormblade.3948:

Direngrey.1247:

The whole “It’ll make elitism!” argument is invalid.
It’s already been proposed that there could be a toggle on/off preview option for people who don’t want to be inspected.
Also, it’s not a gear based game, it’s more skill-based.
Stop using this argument, you’re beating a dead horse here.

I agree completely, the Toggole on/off button would fix that elitism issue.

Personally, being able to inspect another characters armor/gear can be motivating and spark further interest in the game.

UNtil some poor sap tries to pug, as their preview option toggled “off,” is told they must toggle it ON to get in the group … or to stay in the group …

sound familiar, anyone? do NOT kid yourself and think it won’t happen.

Absolutely yes to both.

Especially inspecting.

I deserve to know if any of my party members are leeching or not.

runeblade.7514:

I deserve to know if any of my party members are leeching or not.

How to we know it isn’t you elitists leeching off the skill of MF users? When I used to do dungeon runs, it was the rest of the group that was carrying the so-called elitists through, since we had to keep rezzing the useless dead weight time and time again.

Skill, not stats is what matters. You can blame your incompetence on MF or “leeching” as much as you like, but chances are, it is you that is the dead weight in the party.

runeblade.7514:

Absolutely yes to both.

Especially inspecting.

I deserve to know if any of my party members are leeching or not.

See the funny thing about this is… Most people try to do the dungeons to get their First set of exotics, yet here you are trying to block them from doing that because you will not find what they have as acceptable. Its like going to school to learn a occupation, then once you got a degree you look for a job and everyone wants you to have 2 years experience. How the kitten do you get the experience if they will not hire you.

I know you don’t care if they are wearing all blues with all the right stats, its the guy wearing all the MF gear. Still I prefer to block the stupid before the stupid has a chance to convert to be a kitten instead.

uknortherner.2670:

1) Duelling is supposed to be happening at some point.
2) Absolutely no to inspections. There are enough elitists around already and the last thing this game needs is another feature to allow them to stroke their own egos whilst locking other players out of their oh-so-special groups.

Couldnt agree more.

Duelling, OMG yes, would be great for this game.
Gear inspection, god NO. WoW had that and the only thing it did was seperate the community, making elitist jerks more of a problem !

egos … elitist … preview an opponents armor, weapons and skillsets before you fight them ..
Smells of an subversive and exploitable way to gain advantages instead of relying on skill and ability. Why not just look up the stats on the wiki. (If it’s not there yet, build it up with the information). After that, it becomes a matter of knowing how to use your skills.
To allow that institution of “preview” will tear a community to pieces.
It was bad enough in GW where you were excluded or kicked from a group because you didn’t have an elite skill equipped. What of the armor .. elite armor had no better attributes of regular armor, all it had was a bigger expense but had no repair cost.
If you have to test someone else … take it to pvp and pray you have learned how to use your unique skills better than they have with theirs.
I’ve noticed already in my research that the different levels of armor already have respective level of “built in” damage resistances. So, yeah I can see why some have to pursue the top notch armors at incredible expense. But besides appearances and the bragging rights (pretige) of having aquired them .. all that means nothing when facing an opponent who knows how to use their skills more effeciently than you know how to use yours. But then again … it’s all about getting that “extra edge” over them in your favor .. isn’t it.

Nihevil.8024:

Stop being babies, elitism is not as big in this game as other games nor will it be if armor previewing was added. Why? Because the content is not challenging at all.

sniff I think I smell…..

Nihevil.8024:

domxnik.1453:

I’m pretty sure there is some elitism in this game, as there is in every other game out there. If this is added, there is a high chance more elitism will come with it. There is no reason for this.

Never said there wasent any elitism. No, there is not a high chance more elitism will come, this game is super casual there is no need to worry about if someone is wearing blues or exotics. Fractals on the other hand, wait do people even do fractals anymore?

…. Yup! It’s Elitism. -_-

uknortherner.2670:

1) Duelling is supposed to be happening at some point.
2) Absolutely no to inspections. There are enough elitists around already and the last thing this game needs is another feature to allow them to stroke their own egos whilst locking other players out of their oh-so-special groups.

While I agree with you about that I am not sure that is all bad. It makes it easy to avoid wasting any time playing with those people.

Elitism already exists and will continue to. Having the elitists automatically flagging themselves as such wouldn’t be a bad thing.

Edit: The inspect could always be just cosmetic. They could even reuse the armor preview feature and just show armor skins in each of the slots.

A toggle off feature would still be useless, because people would just decide not to add anyone they couldn’t inspect first (anyone remember ‘show stones’? )
Inspection is no good, I’d hate to see it added, even with a toggle off option. It’s bad. Wanna see the weapon, check Dulfy or the Wiki or the PvP locker. Wanna see what I have? Ask.

Gummy.4278:

runeblade.7514:

Absolutely yes to both.

Especially inspecting.

I deserve to know if any of my party members are leeching or not.

See the funny thing about this is… Most people try to do the dungeons to get their First set of exotics, yet here you are trying to block them from doing that because you will not find what they have as acceptable. Its like going to school to learn a occupation, then once you got a degree you look for a job and everyone wants you to have 2 years experience. How the kitten do you get the experience if they will not hire you.

I know you don’t care if they are wearing all blues with all the right stats, its the guy wearing all the MF gear. Still I prefer to block the stupid before the stupid has a chance to convert to be a kitten instead.

Then let those undergeared players play with groups that don’t give a kitten about whatever gear they are using.

I am blocking them from my group only, so I don’t have to suffer kittenty runs.

Yes, because you never depended on people more experienced than you when you were a noob, right? You obviously started the game last year in full level 80 exotics.

can’t you just preview the armor you like from the armor vendor itself? why would you inspect people to see what armor they wear? you can already look at them and see what armor they wear.
so the only things inspect would allow is stat inspection and it is so stupid… we already know what stats are in the game, why do we need to know what stats that player is wearing? why should i care?

runeblade.7514:

Then let those undergeared players play with groups that don’t give a kitten about whatever gear they are using.

I am blocking them from my group only, so I don’t have to suffer kittenty runs.

Well, Master of Everything, that is your name right? How is it up there at the top when all us lowly noobs have nobody like you to help us leech, I am sure it must get pretty lonely up there being so skilled and all.

You are not the only elitist kitten in the game, it is already very prevalent. You say they are only kicked from your run, but they are also kicked by every kitten with a stick up his kitten because they are not wearing full Arah before joining you for a crappy AC run -_-

If you want to only ever run with experienced elitists then by all means join one of those guilds, add them to your list and only play with them, it solve both our problems, you will never have to pug and we will never have the displeasure of playing with you.

runeblade.7514:

Gummy.4278:

runeblade.7514:

Absolutely yes to both.

Especially inspecting.

I deserve to know if any of my party members are leeching or not.

See the funny thing about this is… Most people try to do the dungeons to get their First set of exotics, yet here you are trying to block them from doing that because you will not find what they have as acceptable. Its like going to school to learn a occupation, then once you got a degree you look for a job and everyone wants you to have 2 years experience. How the kitten do you get the experience if they will not hire you.

I know you don’t care if they are wearing all blues with all the right stats, its the guy wearing all the MF gear. Still I prefer to block the stupid before the stupid has a chance to convert to be a kitten instead.

Then let those undergeared players play with groups that don’t give a kitten about whatever gear they are using.

I am blocking them from my group only, so I don’t have to suffer kittenty runs.

And see kids this is why the Elitist do not want a LFG Tool that has a auto group feature because it will just break the game for them.

You know its very well possible that they guy you snub may be very proficient with his toon. Not only keeping himself alive but preventing others from taking a dirt nap as well. He might be under geared cause he just got the game last week. Yet he doesn’t get the privilege of going with you cause you judge the “Book by the Cover”

Turial.1293:

runeblade.7514:

Then let those undergeared players play with groups that don’t give a kitten about whatever gear they are using.

I am blocking them from my group only, so I don’t have to suffer kittenty runs.

Well, Master of Everything, that is your name right? How is it up there at the top when all us lowly noobs have nobody like you to help us leech, I am sure it must get pretty lonely up there being so skilled and all.

You are not the only elitist kitten in the game, it is already very prevalent. You say they are only kicked from your run, but they are also kicked by every kitten with a stick up his kitten because they are not wearing full Arah before joining you for a crappy AC run -_-

If you want to only ever run with experienced elitists then by all means join one of those guilds, add them to your list and only play with them, it solve both our problems, you will never have to pug and we will never have the displeasure of playing with you.

Wrong, I was able to level all my characters from level 35-80 just by doing dungeon runs and I was able to join a group just fine. Even during times when people discriminate levels already.

If you want to only ever run without experienced elitists then by all means join one of those guilds, add them to your list and only play with them, it solve both our problems, you will never have to pug and we will never have the displeasure of playing with you.

runeblade.7514:

If you want to only ever run without experienced elitists then by all means join one of those guilds, add them to your list and only play with them, it solve both our problems, you will never have to pug and we will never have the displeasure of playing with you.

Actually, he never said that he wouldn’t run with “elitists”. It was you, who said, he wouldn’t run with anyone else… So there’s the difference.

dueling -yea
inspections -nay

This forum makes me wonder what would happen if a masochist (who wants some good old verbal abuse) would waltz into this forum and says ‘elite’… =w= fun thoughts

Turial.1293:

Nihevil.8024:

Stop being babies, elitism is not as big in this game as other games nor will it be if armor previewing was added. Why? Because the content is not challenging at all.

sniff I think I smell…..

Nihevil.8024:

domxnik.1453:

I’m pretty sure there is some elitism in this game, as there is in every other game out there. If this is added, there is a high chance more elitism will come with it. There is no reason for this.

Never said there wasent any elitism. No, there is not a high chance more elitism will come, this game is super casual there is no need to worry about if someone is wearing blues or exotics. Fractals on the other hand, wait do people even do fractals anymore?

…. Yup! It’s Elitism. -_-

Please elaborate on your assumption that i’m an elitist.

runeblade.7514:

Wrong, I was able to level all my characters from level 35-80 just by doing dungeon runs and I was able to join a group just fine. Even during times when people discriminate levels already.

So you mean you were at a lower level, you didn’t have full exotics or Twilight on your characters and they still let you in? Oh boy, what a shame if they were to, I dunno, exclude you for having a lowbie or non-max gear. Shame on them for assuming you were a noob based on your gear, shame on them!

Nihevil.8024:

Turial.1293:

Nihevil.8024:

Stop being babies, elitism is not as big in this game as other games nor will it be if armor previewing was added. Why? Because the content is not challenging at all.

sniff I think I smell…..

Nihevil.8024:

domxnik.1453:

I’m pretty sure there is some elitism in this game, as there is in every other game out there. If this is added, there is a high chance more elitism will come with it. There is no reason for this.

Never said there wasent any elitism. No, there is not a high chance more elitism will come, this game is super casual there is no need to worry about if someone is wearing blues or exotics. Fractals on the other hand, wait do people even do fractals anymore?

…. Yup! It’s Elitism. -_-

Please elaborate on your assumption that i’m an elitist.

Sure thing
name calling – check
stating game is not challenging – check
already bored of current content or assuming everyone else is – check

Those are my reasons, a bit more detail; because a lot of players do not want a gear checker because it will increase elitism you say they are babies, gear checker always brings elitism and you assume it won’t, the game may be casual at times but when it comes to dungeons people are very picky at times also, as you can see from posts by runeblade here, if you are not wearing the best stuff he will not take you on his run so it does matter and will affect players, finally, if there is less people playing fractals it is because they were left behind and are not 20,30,40+ fractal level, you might be done with fractals but many people are not.

You can understand my assumption now

Turial.1293:

runeblade.7514:

Wrong, I was able to level all my characters from level 35-80 just by doing dungeon runs and I was able to join a group just fine. Even during times when people discriminate levels already.

So you mean you were at a lower level, you didn’t have full exotics or Twilight on your characters and they still let you in? Oh boy, what a shame if they were to, I dunno, exclude you for having a lowbie or non-max gear. Shame on them for assuming you were a noob based on your gear, shame on them!

Maybe it is because I joined parties where parties didn’t care about kicking non-level 80 players. If I am looking for level 80 only speedruns, I shouldn’t bring a level 45 character to waste everyone’s time.

If I am looking for a level 80 only speedruns, I deserve to know which party members is using MF gear or non-exotic gear that will slow down the runs.

Nihevil.8024:

Turial.1293:

sniff I think I smell…..

Nihevil.8024:

…. Yup! It’s Elitism. -_-

Please elaborate on your assumption that i’m an elitist.

Sure thing
name calling – check
stating game is not challenging – check
already bored of current content or assuming everyone else is – check

Those are my reasons, a bit more detail; because a lot of players do not want a gear checker because it will increase elitism you say they are babies, gear checker always brings elitism and you assume it won’t, the game may be casual at times but when it comes to dungeons people are very picky at times also, as you can see from posts by runeblade here, if you are not wearing the best stuff he will not take you on his run so it does matter and will affect players, finally, if there is less people playing fractals it is because they were left behind and are not 20,30,40+ fractal level, you might be done with fractals but many people are not.

You can understand my assumption now

Name calling – Is common
Stating the game is not challenging – Again, common, and I wouldn’t exclude someone from X for wearing X instead of X or even X level.
Already bored of current content or assuming everyone else is – Not just bored, very bored. Wouldn’t disagree on assuming a lot of people are bored of the current content, because I would be pulling my hair out(due to boredom) after doing the same 8 or so factal dungeons for 20+ fractal levels.

I have never seen anyone picky when doing dungeons, if people really wanted to see your gear they would tell you to link it. Most elitists join an elitist guild therefore not having to group with casuals. Runeblade was talking about speedruns, those are usually guild/friend based and not pugs.

Also our community needs to stop using other games and their communities when it comes to these kinds of things, for example those games get armor tiers on a regular basis and content that require that tier of armor which causes a lot of elitism, we do not.

Yes to dueling, and yes to inspecting gear if its just to find out wha ttype of gear they have on (visually), but no stats.

runeblade.7514:

If I am looking for a level 80 only speedruns, I deserve to know which party members is using MF gear or non-exotic gear that will slow down the runs.

I strongly disagree. No, you don’t! MF gear has a barely noticeable difference, if you play with players that can play well it does not have squat to do what they are wearing, your just an elitist pig. I have been in groups like yours that demand to know what others wear, whine at players because they are not using range or are not speeding through trash, etc. but the fact of the matter it is that type of player who is so concerned with what everybody else is doing that he is sitting there in his twilight/ascended arah on the floor calling everyone noobs because they didnt do something his way and that is why he is dead. Does that sound like your regular run there Jimbo?

Nihevil.8024:

Name calling – Is common
Stating the game is not challenging – Again, common, and I wouldn’t exclude someone from X for wearing X instead of X or even X level.
Already bored of current content or assuming everyone else is – Not just bored, very bored. Wouldn’t disagree on assuming a lot of people are bored of the current content, because I would be pulling my hair out(due to boredom) after doing the same 8 or so factal dungeons for 20+ fractal levels.

I have never seen anyone picky when doing dungeons, if people really wanted to see your gear they would tell you to link it. Most elitists join an elitist guild therefore not having to group with casuals. Runeblade was talking about speedruns, those are usually guild/friend based and not pugs.

Also our community needs to stop using other games and their communities when it comes to these kinds of things, for example those games get armor tiers on a regular basis and content that require that tier of armor which causes a lot of elitism, we do not.

Elitists are unfortunately all too common, does not excuse it nor disprove my reasons for assuming. I could be wrong though, you are speaking coherently, without cussing and with a slow educated response (the direct opposite of an elitist).

Never saw anyone picky? runeblade here is stating how he demands to see others gear and does not take other players along if they don’t have what he expects, you see his posts but maybe you have not seen it in game but trust me, it does happen. Have you ever seen gw2lfg.com? Speed runs are often advertised there as well as “80s only” so you cannot say that is only via guilds/friends.

When you wish to add the same ideas from other games then yeah it is kind of hard to not bring them into the conversation :/ We are not other games so gear inspecting, mounts and whatever WoW may have had that people are asking for probably won’t happen. As for duels, it more than likely will but hopefully they will use the GW1 name of scrimmage.

As long as the dueling is an option that I can turn off.

As for the armor preview, how would that work with a user with Trans’ed armor?

Dueling- of course

Armor Preview- No. If I want to preview armor that I may wear I head to the mist and open up my PvP locker, it shows every skin. I have even made the rounds on sites like Dulfy.

As far as gear checking stats, I only care about my own. Success in this game has been fine so far, meaning that I have done pretty much what I’ve wanted to do without even remotely wondering what kind of stats the next man/woman has.

Besides, the only style of gaming in MMO’s where this was a question have been in WoW style themeparks with enrage timers and usually only during raids.

Duel is a must in this game in my opinion i always want to do a duel with a friend without having to go to spvp server who has 0/10 players and after 2 second someone can come and destroy our duel , i mean it will make the game so much better , the idea of the duel off battle will solve all problems

This game is more working together so elitism is lower in this game than wow. in wow its every man for himself most of the time. In wvw and wve you work together
In my opinion ( not tht it probly counts) yes to curling and yes to inspection

And if anyone trys to be eliet by U duel em and kill em most of the time it would be an ok weapon with an epic skin :P

Rather not. If the switch would be implemented, even if it seems to be so innocent i can guarantee you that at that moment you can predict what will happen on the LFG site LFM xyz MUST have inspect enabled. In the end will result in cookie cutter builds (gear & skill wise).

No inspection at all, ever. Elitism and ego’s are super high in this game as it is. Look at how badly FotM has brought this out. Especially, I remember Runeblade complaining (a lot) on the forums about MF. We don’t need more of this style of negativity….